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** Do you really think ''that's'' the version of the story Sozin told when he got back?

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** Do you really think ''that's'' the version of the story Sozin told when he got back?back?
*** Even so, he still started the war that went against everything the Avatar stood for. Apparently Roku's legacy wasn't very kind to him.
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* So wait. If Roku is Ursa's grandfather, and Ursa had an arranged marriage with Ozai...you're telling me that Roku's family would marry off Ursa to the grandson of the man that left Roku to die and went against his wishes?

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* So wait. If Roku is Ursa's grandfather, and Ursa had an arranged marriage with Ozai...you're telling me that Roku's family would marry off Ursa to the grandson of the man that left Roku to die and went against his wishes?wishes?
** Do you really think ''that's'' the version of the story Sozin told when he got back?
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*** He was willing to let his best friend since birth die a horrible, choking, burning death so he try to conquer the world, and then he was willing to commit complete genocide on a race of peaceful monks just so said friend couldn't reincarnate and be a threat. I'm guessing that if he felt dragon-hunting would be good practice for his generals, he wouldn't give a flying crap what his mount thought.

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*** He was willing to let his best friend since birth die a horrible, choking, burning death so he try to conquer the world, and then he was willing to commit complete genocide on a race of peaceful monks just so said friend couldn't reincarnate and be a threat. I'm guessing that if he felt dragon-hunting would be good practice for his generals, he wouldn't give a flying crap what his mount thought.thought.
* So wait. If Roku is Ursa's grandfather, and Ursa had an arranged marriage with Ozai...you're telling me that Roku's family would marry off Ursa to the grandson of the man that left Roku to die and went against his wishes?
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** In ''Legend of Korra'', Tenzin's wife is shown to be a decent amount younger than he is, so it's not the Avatar-verse is against having age gaps between spouses. So personally I'm guessing that it's a combination of Azulon's wife being much younger than him, [[NeverMessWithGranny older people just]] [[BadassGrandpa being more badass]] in this series, and aging/menopause working slightly differently.
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*** Also, they ''did'' start attacking the water tribes... eventually. They did manage to take out all the southern water benders (minus Katara, of course), and they did attack the northern tribe. Picking off the southern water benders apparently took them quite a while and they were pretty unsuccessful against the northern tribe though, so I guess the answer is they wanted to take out the Air Nomads first as they had the current Avatar and were the more immediate threat (a water tribe Avatar would take at least 12-16 years to be revealed and then another few years to learn all the elements, after all).
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** This bugged me too and the only explanation I can think of is that he was planning on attacking the waterbenders after his armies had time to recuperate. They did start picking off the Southern Tribe's waterbenders eventually, although this apparently took them a few decades to do (note that you can see Kanna in Hama's flashbacks, so it had to be ''at least'' 40ish years after the Air Nomad massacre). There's also the possibility that because nobody could find Aang for 100 years, and there was no new avatar born yet, that they thought the Avatar has skipped the Water Tribes for some reason, although that would be a horribly flimsy HandWave.
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*** Considering that the dragons are portrayed as spiritual creatures akin to skybison or badger-moles, I had a theory that Sozin's dragon turned on him after the destruction of the Air Temples and Sozin was forced to kill him/her. He then instituted the hunting as a combination of vengeance and need to prove the Fire Nation's superiority as the ''true'' masters of fire.

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*** Considering that the dragons are portrayed as spiritual creatures akin to skybison or badger-moles, I had a theory that Sozin's dragon turned on him after the destruction of the Air Temples and Sozin was forced to kill him/her. He then instituted the hunting as a combination of vengeance and need to prove the Fire Nation's superiority as the ''true'' masters of fire.fire.
*** He was willing to let his best friend since birth die a horrible, choking, burning death so he try to conquer the world, and then he was willing to commit complete genocide on a race of peaceful monks just so said friend couldn't reincarnate and be a threat. I'm guessing that if he felt dragon-hunting would be good practice for his generals, he wouldn't give a flying crap what his mount thought.
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* people should note that Aang wasn't fighting the volcano but the LAVA that was gonna destroy the village, which is totally different from trying to hold back two ACTIVE volcanoes, with an explosive magnitude that rival Mount Vesuvius .
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**** I think this ''is'' their point.
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*** Actually, "beget" (past tense "begat" or "begot") means "to sire" or "to father". Occasionally, it can mean "to procreate" from the mother's point of view, but I've never actually seen it used that way, and it's definitely not the first meaning.



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*** Right. Recall in the finale when Aang is talking with the previous Airbending Avatar. Even she told him that he needed to kill Ozai. Aang was particularly against killing, and to be fair, he was still just a kid who had recently discovered that his entire people had been murdered in a horrifying genocide. You can't blame him for feeling uncomfortable about killing. But in any case, it seems that while the airbenders were generally pacifists, they had no qualms about killing in self-defense.

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*** Right. Recall in the finale when Aang is talking with the previous Airbending Avatar. Even she told him that he needed to kill Ozai. Aang was particularly against killing, and to be fair, he was still just a kid who had recently discovered that his entire people had been murdered in a horrifying genocide. You can't blame him for feeling uncomfortable about killing. But in any case, it seems that while the airbenders were generally pacifists, they had no qualms about killing in self-defense.
*** Even the most determined pacifists are likely to put up a serious fight if their children are being massacred.
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*** The buffalo are a bad example - they were deliberately exterminated with a specific goal in mind; namely that once they were gone the Plains Indians would be forced to give up their way of life and become farmers. That particular near-extinction was no accident. As for the dragons, perhaps Sozin started seeing them as competition of sorts.

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*** The buffalo are a bad example - they were deliberately exterminated with a specific goal in mind; namely that once they were gone the Plains Indians would be forced to give up their way of life and become farmers. That particular near-extinction was no accident. As for the dragons, perhaps Sozin started seeing them as competition of sorts.sorts.
*** Considering that the dragons are portrayed as spiritual creatures akin to skybison or badger-moles, I had a theory that Sozin's dragon turned on him after the destruction of the Air Temples and Sozin was forced to kill him/her. He then instituted the hunting as a combination of vengeance and need to prove the Fire Nation's superiority as the ''true'' masters of fire.
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*** And like the other person who replied to your above post, I'm going to point out that that bit of info is not canon. Not knowing where the Air Temples are would be like not knowing where New York City or Tokyo are in the Avatar universe - everyone at least has a rough idea, and a head of state has the resources to figure it out exactly. In addition, why would the Temples be hidden? The Air Nomads might have focused on detachment, but trade is still necessary for any civilization, and the locations would be known to any nomadic Airbenders and their companions. They also believed that all life is connected, and that everyone is deserving of help. Would those people discourage guests and wisdom-seekers from other Nations?

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** I don't think anyone realized just how many dragons were being killed. I imagine it was a similar situation to the hunting of buffalo during the 1800s: There were so many of them that they thought that they would never run out. Sozin wanting to start a dragon hunting tradition even though he owns a dragon himself ''does'' seem a bit weird though, but hey, some people are just hypocrites. He may have wanted the Fire Nation to dominate nature as well as people. (It is the most technologically advanced nation, after all.)

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** I don't think anyone realized just how many dragons were being killed. I imagine it was a similar situation to the hunting of buffalo during the 1800s: There were so many of them that they thought that they would never run out. Sozin wanting to start a dragon hunting tradition even though he owns a dragon himself ''does'' seem a bit weird though, but hey, some people are just hypocrites. He may have wanted the Fire Nation to dominate nature as well as people. (It is the most technologically advanced nation, after all.))
*** The buffalo are a bad example - they were deliberately exterminated with a specific goal in mind; namely that once they were gone the Plains Indians would be forced to give up their way of life and become farmers. That particular near-extinction was no accident. As for the dragons, perhaps Sozin started seeing them as competition of sorts.
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* How come we didn't get a reason for the extermination of the dragons. Yes i know about the whole "prove your firebending superiority" cause, but why did Sozin feel the need to start that tradition, or others to the need to follow it. Come on, Sozin had a dragon mount, and I'm guessing that dragons got a few firebenders to the Air Temples during the comet, as well as throw some attacks around on top. Why kill off all of those magnificent beasts of carnage. Controlled hunts on fully wild dragons every few years would be understandable, but full extermination? Ever heard of conservation of game? Leave some for the next generation's fiercest masters of firebending.

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* How come we didn't get a reason for the extermination of the dragons. Yes i know about the whole "prove your firebending superiority" cause, but why did Sozin feel the need to start that tradition, or others to the need to follow it. Come on, Sozin had a dragon mount, and I'm guessing that dragons got a few firebenders to the Air Temples during the comet, as well as throw some attacks around on top. Why kill off all of those magnificent beasts of carnage. Controlled hunts on fully wild dragons every few years would be understandable, but full extermination? Ever heard of conservation of game? Leave some for the next generation's fiercest masters of firebending.firebending.
** I don't think anyone realized just how many dragons were being killed. I imagine it was a similar situation to the hunting of buffalo during the 1800s: There were so many of them that they thought that they would never run out. Sozin wanting to start a dragon hunting tradition even though he owns a dragon himself ''does'' seem a bit weird though, but hey, some people are just hypocrites. He may have wanted the Fire Nation to dominate nature as well as people. (It is the most technologically advanced nation, after all.)
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** Azulon's mother would have had to be under 50 or so, unless aging and menopause work differently in the avatar world.

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** Azulon's mother would have had to be under 50 or so, unless aging and menopause work differently in the avatar world.world.

* How come we didn't get a reason for the extermination of the dragons. Yes i know about the whole "prove your firebending superiority" cause, but why did Sozin feel the need to start that tradition, or others to the need to follow it. Come on, Sozin had a dragon mount, and I'm guessing that dragons got a few firebenders to the Air Temples during the comet, as well as throw some attacks around on top. Why kill off all of those magnificent beasts of carnage. Controlled hunts on fully wild dragons every few years would be understandable, but full extermination? Ever heard of conservation of game? Leave some for the next generation's fiercest masters of firebending.
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** It's entirely possible that he had a young wife, or even a mistress or concubine or something. Men are still fertile into very old age, since they're always producing new sperm. Also, "begat" means "give birth to," so minor correction there.

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** It's entirely possible that he had a young wife, or even a mistress or concubine or something. Men are still fertile into very old age, since they're always producing new sperm. Also, "begat" means "give birth to," so minor correction there.there.
** Azulon's mother would have had to be under 50 or so, unless aging and menopause work differently in the avatar world.

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* If Roku and Sozin were born on the same day and Roku died at 70 and 12 years later was the attack on the nomads and Azulon was born that year,how young was Sozin's wife? Or did the Fire Lady really begat Sozin at 82?
** The timeline is actually pretty wanky concerning this. But I wouldn't be surprised. Old people in this universe are clearly stronger than in ours (see: Bumi, Pakku, Gyatso, Iroh, etc.)

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* If Roku and Sozin were born on the same day and Roku died at 70 and 12 years later was the attack on the nomads and Azulon was born that year,how young was Sozin's wife? Or did the Fire Lady really begat Sozin have Sozin's kid at 82?
** The timeline is actually pretty wanky concerning this. But I wouldn't be surprised. Old people in this universe are clearly stronger than in ours (see: Bumi, Pakku, Gyatso, Iroh, etc.))
** It's entirely possible that he had a young wife, or even a mistress or concubine or something. Men are still fertile into very old age, since they're always producing new sperm. Also, "begat" means "give birth to," so minor correction there.
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* If Roku and Sozin were born on the same day and Roku died at 70 and 12 years later was the attack on the nomads and Azulon was born that year,how young was Sozin's wife? Or did the Fire Lady really begat Sozin at 82?

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* If Roku and Sozin were born on the same day and Roku died at 70 and 12 years later was the attack on the nomads and Azulon was born that year,how young was Sozin's wife? Or did the Fire Lady really begat Sozin at 82?82?
** The timeline is actually pretty wanky concerning this. But I wouldn't be surprised. Old people in this universe are clearly stronger than in ours (see: Bumi, Pakku, Gyatso, Iroh, etc.)
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** He didn't free Zuko directly. Roku's huge heat wave weakened the chains that were trapping him, so he was able to escape. That heat wave was an attack on Zhao's soliders, and also freed Katara, Sokka and the Fire Sage that helped them.

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** He didn't free Zuko directly. Roku's huge heat wave weakened the chains that were trapping him, so he was able to escape. That heat wave was an attack on Zhao's soliders, and also freed Katara, Sokka and the Fire Sage that helped them.them.
* If Roku and Sozin were born on the same day and Roku died at 70 and 12 years later was the attack on the nomads and Azulon was born that year,how young was Sozin's wife? Or did the Fire Lady really begat Sozin at 82?
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*** Right. Recall in the finale when Aang is talking with the previous Airbending Avatar. Even she told him that he needed to kill Ozai. Aang was particularly against killing, and to be fair, he was still just a kid who had recently discovered that his entire people had been murdered in a horrifying genocide. You can't blame him for feeling uncomfortable about killing. But in any case, it seems that while the airbenders were generally pacifists, they had no qualms about killing in self-defense.
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** He didn't free Zuko directly. Roku's huge heat wave weakened the chains that were trapping him, so he was able to escape. That heat wave was an attack on Zhao's soliders, and also freed Katara, Sokka and the Fire Sage that helped them.
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*** Actually, Roku himself acknowledges that Aang will be the one who will fix his mistakes.
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** He needed to strike first with the comet. Given how the other nations praise stability, the attacking nation has immediately the three other united against it. So, don't attack unless you can perform a genocide on one of the nations at first strike.
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**** Not sure what point that was intended to make, but it comes across as pointing out that the Avatar is human and is going to make mistakes of all kinds. Hindsight is a great thing, and they've had centuries to reflect on what the Avatar spirit being human did for them and the world. Though I rather think Aang has an excuse on account of him being twelve and under a lot of pressure.

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**** He's a master airbender. It should've been a simple task to make a shaft of clean air to his face.

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**** He's a master airbender. It should've been a simple task to make a shaft of clean air to his face. face.
***** He'd clearly tired himself out by that point, and was trying to handle the heat and the lava at the same time. Something that 'simple' might not have been under the circumstances. Just a single accident which Sozin took advantage of. Unfortunate but not entirely unlikely even for an Avatar.
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** I thought it was to guarantee safe passage for boats. Even if they were on the water vulcano eruption still can threaten them.
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**** His girlfriend got her face stolen ''because'' he didn't give a flying fuck about the state of the world.
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**** " Actually the world was fine while Kuruk was avatar. The only problem was his girlfriend got her face stolen. She didn't even die.

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**** " Actually the world was fine while Kuruk was avatar. The only problem was his girlfriend got her face stolen. She didn't even die.
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**** He's a master airbender. It should've been a simple task to make a shaft of clean air to his face.


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**** " Actually the world was fine while Kuruk was avatar. The only problem was his girlfriend got her face stolen. She didn't even die.

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