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*** It looks like Black Manta is already being setup to fill that niche.
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*** As for why Arthur has a claim without marriage, it’s never fully explained, but a lot of characters state it’s strong including king Nereus, mera, and possible Orm who accepts this when he baits Arthur into the “combat of champions” which is a fight for the throne. King nereus even says it's “stronger” well Mera calls it his “rightful place” to sit on the throne. The system could therefore be something like Agnatic seniority, where the oldest of a generation gets the throne or something like the ottoman empire where it just goes to the strongest Son, and where their half-brother’s were always considered a problem. Maybe even just primogeniture where marriage in Atlantis could be formal agreement to confirm heirs without any actual law binding only those children. We don’t see anyone, royal or otherwise, take a mistress and the one time someone does, in this case Arthur’s mother, it’s considered enough that she was executed. Maybe marriage just isn’t as important for inheritance. Essentially the laws are anything but the laws the UK has.

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*** As for why Arthur has a claim without marriage, it’s never fully explained, but a lot of characters state it’s strong including king King Nereus, mera, Mera, and possible possibly Orm who accepts this when he baits Arthur into the “combat of champions” which is a fight for the throne. King nereus Nereus even says it's “stronger” well while Mera calls it his “rightful place” to sit on the throne. The system could therefore be something like Agnatic seniority, where the oldest of a generation gets the throne or something like the ottoman Ottoman empire where it just goes to the strongest Son, son, and where their half-brother’s half-brothers were always considered a problem. Maybe even just primogeniture where marriage in Atlantis could be formal agreement to confirm heirs without any actual law binding only those children. We don’t see anyone, royal or otherwise, take a mistress and the one time someone does, in this case Arthur’s mother, it’s considered enough that she was executed. Maybe marriage just isn’t as important for inheritance. Essentially the laws are anything but the laws the UK has.
** To draw an idea - in the Iliad, the reason Menelaus (King of Sparta) needs to take his wife Helen back from Troy after she eloped with Paris, was because Helen was the daughter of the previous King of Sparta: Helen was the rightful heir to Sparta, and anyone who was HER husband was King. Helen leaving Menelaus for Paris was a potential booting Menelaus off the throne, because Menelaus married into the position. Perhaps Atlanna was the real heir to the throne of Atlantis, but somehow only men rule, and whoever the female heir marries becomes King. Therefore, Arthur has a better claim to the throne than Orm by simply being Atlanna's eldest. Sure, he'd probably have to fight someone or deal with a lot of political difficulties (if he tried to press his claim without Orm attacking the surface), but that could be the situation.
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It took place when that chamber was still dry.


** Actually, it is likely Atlan's successor, considering Atlantis was already adapted to living underwater by that point in time, as seen when they put their Mother Box away in its chamber.
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** Remember where they found that big chunk of Kryptonite in [=BvS=]? In the ocean. It was unlikely to be the only chunk that fell from the World Engine, so it's plausible that Orm found some.
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**Both brother’s claim to the throne come from their mother. She was already Queen when she met Tom, Aquaman’s father. He just seemed to be the one who had more control in practice either due to being male or due to general support. It isn’t unheard of for a noble to hold as much power as the monarch, and that might be why it was an arranged marriage in the first place. After her death keeping this power could have been through force or simply because his Son was to be king, so he was made regent. It’s never stated.
***As for why Arthur has a claim without marriage, it’s never fully explained, but a lot of characters state it’s strong including king Nereus, mera, and possible Orm who accepts this when he baits Arthur into the “combat of champions” which is a fight for the throne. King nereus even says it's “stronger” well Mera calls it his “rightful place” to sit on the throne. The system could therefore be something like Agnatic seniority, where the oldest of a generation gets the throne or something like the ottoman empire where it just goes to the strongest Son, and where their half-brother’s were always considered a problem. Maybe even just primogeniture where marriage in Atlantis could be formal agreement to confirm heirs without any actual law binding only those children. We don’t see anyone, royal or otherwise, take a mistress and the one time someone does, in this case Arthur’s mother, it’s considered enough that she was executed. Maybe marriage just isn’t as important for inheritance. Essentially the laws are anything but the laws the UK has.
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*Nevermind how inexplicable it is that Superman would have ignored the tidal wave attack, there is a bigger problem. Thousands of years ago, an army of Atlanteans, Amazons, Olympian Gods, Green Lanterns, and humans were - all together - barely able to defeat Steppenwolf and his army. A few months ago, Superman basically no-sold everything Steppenwolf and his army could throw at him, crushed him like a bug, and then took apart the mother boxes (with Cyborg) and the total result of all that effort is basicall him laughing "ouch, that stings". What the bloody hell does Orm think he can do against Superman?
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** As they're leaving the bar, just before Mera's appearance, Thomas talks about working on Arthur's ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C4%81_moko tā moko]]'', and that Arthur's grandfather would be disappointed in their lack of progress on it. So yes, it's a safe conclusion that the Currys have Māori heritage.

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** As they're leaving the bar, just before Mera's appearance, Thomas talks about working on Arthur's ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C4%81_moko org/wiki/Tā_moko tā moko]]'', and that Arthur's grandfather would be disappointed in their lack of progress on it. So yes, it's a safe conclusion that the Currys have Māori heritage.
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[[folder: Why does Arthur have a claim to the throne of Atlantis?]]
* If Diana, Princess of Wales got pregnant by one of her many extra-marital affairs, the child would have zero claim to the succession of UK, because they're not descended from the actual line of kings. Was Atlanna the queen regnant and daughter of the previous king, and Orvax was just some dude who became king ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jure_uxoris jure uxoris]]''? If that's so, how did the Atlanteans justify him taking the throne by himself after Atlanna was exiled, instead of plopping Orm directly on the throne?
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Re-watched the movie today; noticed this brief exchange relevant to the discussion of Thomas Curry's background.

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** As they're leaving the bar, just before Mera's appearance, Thomas talks about working on Arthur's ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C4%81_moko tā moko]]'', and that Arthur's grandfather would be disappointed in their lack of progress on it. So yes, it's a safe conclusion that the Currys have Māori heritage.
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** Originally, Atlantis only appeared as part of an allegory in Plato's ''The Republic'' as an enemy of Athens, and while it's been theorized that he might have been inspired by older civilizations, Atlantis specifically has always been fictional, the myths around it just sort of ballooned in the following millenia. DC's pseudoscientists could apparently not offer any further proof than those in the real world could, and one guy who can breathe underwater and talk to fish could just be a random mutation in a universe with superpowers.
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* Arthur can take an explosive missile to the chest without a scratch. So how did he get all those tattoos?
** In an attempt to answer my own query, his skin must get tougher with age.
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*** Well photosynthesis can only occur in the first 660feet of surface water, the average depth of the ocean floor is ~12000feet. Point is there would be no biological advantage to melanin so everybody should be very pale. However, very limited access to sunlight inhibits vitamin D production so perhaps their light sources give out UV rays. Or they have tanning salons; seeing as only the elite class could ever get a tan I imagine it would be appealing to be tanned. [[folder]]

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*** Well photosynthesis can only occur in the first 660feet of surface water, the average depth of the ocean floor is ~12000feet. Point is there would be no biological advantage to melanin so everybody should be very pale. However, very limited access to sunlight inhibits vitamin D production so perhaps their light sources give out UV rays.[[/folder]]

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*** Well photosynthesis can only occur in the first 660feet of surface water, the average depth of the ocean floor is ~12000feet. Point is there would be no biological advantage to melanin so everybody should be very pale. However, very limited access to sunlight inhibits vitamin D production so perhaps their light sources give out UV rays.[[/folder]]
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I know this is a really petty thing to get hung up on... but why do creatures who evolved well out of the sun have such hearty complexions? Shouldn't they, like, beyond-Scandinavian-pale? We can give Arthur a pass since he has a dark-skinned human father and darker genes tend to be more dominant and he probably gets out in the sun a lot more, but the rest of them?

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* I know this is a really petty thing to get hung up on... but why do creatures who evolved well out of the sun have such hearty complexions? Shouldn't they, like, beyond-Scandinavian-pale? We can give Arthur a pass since he has a dark-skinned human father and darker genes tend to be more dominant and he probably gets out in the sun a lot more, but the rest of them?them?
** Most Atlanteans don't seem to live so deep as to be totally beyond the reach of the sun, plus even real world abyssal creatures are not all pale (some are practically black in color). Also, Atlanteans make heavy use of other forms of light.
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I know this is a really petty thing to get hung up on... but why do creatures who evolved well out of the sun have such hearty complexions? Shouldn't they, like, beyond-Scandinavian-pale? We can give Arthur a pass since he has a human father and darker genes tend to be more dominant, but the rest of them?

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I know this is a really petty thing to get hung up on... but why do creatures who evolved well out of the sun have such hearty complexions? Shouldn't they, like, beyond-Scandinavian-pale? We can give Arthur a pass since he has a dark-skinned human father and darker genes tend to be more dominant, dominant and he probably gets out in the sun a lot more, but the rest of them?
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I know this is a really petty thing to get hung up on... but why do creatures who evolved well out of the sun have such hearty complexions? Shouldn't they, like, beyond-Scandinavian-pale? We can give Arthur a pass since he has a human father and darker genes tend to be more dominant, but the rest of them?
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*** The existence of Amazons does not necessarily prove the existence of Atlantis the same way it doesn't prove the existence of any other myth, such as Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. Also, Atlantis is a very secretive society that does not want to be discovered, and Arthur himself values his privacy. If Diana told the world about Amazons, she may have refrained from confirming Atlantis to avoid upsetting anyone.
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** Actually, it is likely Atlan's successor, considering Atlantis was already adapted to living underwater by that point in time, as seen when they put their Mother Box away in its chamber.


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** Actually, if you pay close enough attention, Atlan IS wearing the same armor that Aquaman dons to wear during the climax, simply with a breastplate on top of the scale armor. His corpse is seen still clad in it when Arthur goes to claim the trident. He likely put it on before emerging from the waterfall, considering he knew he was going to get involved in a conflict with Orm in some form or another, so he would have wanted protection.
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*** Didn't Arthur say that they went to war with the Amazons when in route to the battle with Stephanwolf in the Justice League movie?

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*** Didn't Arthur say that they went to war with the Amazons when in route to the battle with Stephanwolf Steppenwolf in the Justice League movie?
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Aquaman LITERALLY stated in Justice League that the Amazons DID war with Atlantis, "before his time."


*** Nothing indicates that the DCEU's Amazons have been in any kind of conflict with Atlanteans. As far as we know, the Amazons have lived secluded on their island for thousands of years, not bothering with what's outside of it.
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It's not. He doesn't pronounce any word.


** It's just a BythePowerofGrayskull moment.
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*** Didn't Arther say that they went to war with the Amazons when in route to the battle with Stephanwolf in the Justice League movie?

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*** Didn't Arther Arthur say that they went to war with the Amazons when in route to the battle with Stephanwolf in the Justice League movie?
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** It's just a BythePowerofGrayskull moment.
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* Not that it's a serious plot snarl, but where did Arthur's full orange-and-green suit come from? It's like nothing Arthur has ever worn, and neither is it any sort of ceremonial armour; Atlan wears a more traditional sort whenever we see him. The trident might grant some sort of magical clothing, but for it to zap you with an extremely distinctive metal body-suit with no precedent seems like an odd design choice.
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** As noted above the problem isn't a lack of power, it's stopping the war before it starts. Any of the League showing up would just give Orm further ammunition ("Look, the surface dwellers send their freaks to kills us!"). If the war actually openly began on the surface naturally they'd be involved but it never came to that and Arthur is the only Atlantean they know so any investigation into the tsunamis is going nowhere.

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** As noted above the problem isn't a lack of power, it's stopping the war before it starts. Any of the League showing up would just give Orm further ammunition ("Look, the surface dwellers send their freaks to kills kill us!"). If the war actually openly began on the surface naturally they'd be involved but it never came to that and Arthur is the only Atlantean they know so any investigation into the tsunamis is going nowhere.
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** Also, there was likely a bit of uncertainty in just how deep the loyalists ran. Vulko was the one he was certain of, but others could have been involved as well. He was waiting to find out. After Mera defected, and with nobody else going with, he felt certain that he could get rid of Vulko
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* Orm valued Vulko, but knew he could turn on him. He saw him as someone to keep close for as long as he needed him, but not to be overly trusted.

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** Nothing really indicates that he knows her in ''Justice League'' (she probably recognizes him because his tattoos are obviously not Atlantean), but he somehow did know where the Mother Box was (not in Atlantis, as confirmed by James Wan recently). He is familiar with the surface world, so he's the most likely dude around her to go immediately after Steppenwolf, and he's the son of the Atlantean queen who raised her, those two reasons are enough to provide him with an armor.
** Also, nothing really indicates he didn't know her in ''Justice League'' despite not knowing her name. We know that Mera hangs around Vulko more than anyone else in Atlantis, and Vulko doubled as Orm's vizir and Arthur's teacher. Thus, we can safely assume Arthur knew Mera for as much as he knew Vulko, but as the "cute but crazy redhead hanging around Vulko and sometimes telling me useful stuff".

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** *** Nothing really indicates that he knows her in ''Justice League'' (she probably recognizes him because his tattoos are obviously not Atlantean), but he somehow did know where the Mother Box was (not in Atlantis, as confirmed by James Wan recently). He is familiar with the surface world, so he's the most likely dude around her to go immediately after Steppenwolf, and he's the son of the Atlantean queen who raised her, those two reasons are enough to provide him with an armor.
** *** Also, nothing really indicates he didn't know her in ''Justice League'' despite not knowing her name. We know that Mera hangs around Vulko more than anyone else in Atlantis, and Vulko doubled as Orm's vizir and Arthur's teacher. Thus, we can safely assume Arthur knew Mera for as much as he knew Vulko, but as the "cute but crazy redhead hanging around Vulko and sometimes telling me useful stuff".stuff".
*** Maybe Vulko told Arthur about her, and told her about Arthur as well. Maybe one day he saw her coming on the surface to seek Vulko for whatever reason pertaining to Atlantis while he was training with him and they didn't exchange much words.

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