History Fridge / Titanic1997

* FridgeBrilliance: Sure, he did it for selfish reasons, but Cal almost certainly saved the life of that child. The girl was hiding in a corner (which small children often do because they are scared and/or because they think whatever scary thing is happening is their fault), she had obviously gotten separated from her parents/guardians and chances are no one else would have helped her even if they found her, because they were all trying to save themselves and their families. It doesn't matter that Cal only did it to save himself; the fact is that she only ended up on that lifeboat because he picked her up and carried her there. If he hadn't, she probably would have either gotten trampled to death by panicking people, or she would have died when the ship went down.

** If we take Option A and the ending is really [[spoiler: Rose dying and going to heaven]] and that's really their afterlife...well, look around. There's all the people we saw die, except Cal who's there to, what, rub salt in his wounds even beyond the grave? Including all the third-class passengers we got to meet, Rose's maid, the orchestra, the stewards manning the doors, Captain Smith, First Officer Murdoch, Thomas Andrews...so, if this is their afterlife, sucks to be them. Smith, Murdoch, Andrews, Guggenheim, at least one of the orchestra were all married with families that weren't on the ''Titanic'', Chief Officer Wilde (aka dead guy with the whistle) was a widower whose wife was already dead before the sinking, Astor's wife and unborn child lived long lives without him, not to mention that he had two grown children from a previous marriage, yet here he is, the Strausses may have died together, but they had adult children, what about Fabrizio's beloved mother?

!FridgeLogic
* Couldn't Jack have just pushed one of the already dead people off a piece of debris to save himself?
** He's keeping Rose's debris balanced and a deleted scene shows him guarding that float from other survivors.
** If Rose had just stayed on the lifeboat she actually boarded, it seems [[spoiler: like Jack would have had a much better chance of survival, for one, he wouldn't have been chased back below deck by Cal and submerged in the freezing waters again (something that in real life would have only exacerbated his hypothermia even if he got back out) but presumably he would have done the same thing he did with Rose, that is, ride the ship down then find the floating door. Then they both could have survived.]]
*** [[spoiler: If Rose didn't stay with Jack, he would have been sucked down by the ship since he's not wearing any life vest. Also, if Rose remained with her mother, she wouldn't have escaped her miserable life and promise Jack to "hold on."]]
*** [[spoiler: The above is talking about the second lifeboat, the one Rose actually boards. Her mother's in an earlier one, launched from the same side-they're both put in by Lightoller-but well away. If she'd stayed on that boat, whether she hides from her mother or not depends on whether or not Cal makes it and can tell her mother Rose is still alive.]]
*** The suction from the film is fictional as Charles Joughin who also clinged on the stern didn't even wet his hair.
*** That could be because Joughin was wearing a life vest. Rose, who was also wearing a life vest, only sunk because Jack (who was not) was holding onto her.
** I've always wondered how come Rose got on that second lifeboat, believing that Jack would benefit from an agreement Cal had made with an officer on the other side of the ship. Since she wanted to stay with Jack, why not simply go with Cal and Jack to that other lifeboat and board it together? Sure, Cal might have found a way to prevent that from happening, but she wouldn't know that yet and clearly does seem to believe he is sincere about getting Jack onto a lifeboat. It's not a plot hole per se since she simply might not have thought of it in the heat of the moment, but looking at the options for how best all three of them could have survived that seems to me the best plan.
* So after Rose fakes her death on the Titanic and comes back to the US under an assumed name, she starts a career as an actress, and while she probably wasn't a superstar, she was well-known enough that someone could look her up/know who she was long after she presumably retired. Considering how Rose's family and the Hockleys were implied to be rather prominent in East Coast (at least Philadelphia) high society (500 people coming to the wedding, they get a private tour of the ship, and they routinely hobnob with the Countess of Rothes and the Astors), wouldn't at least a few upper-class folks in Philadelphia see publicity photos of Rose/go see a play or film she starred in and say "Hey! That lady looks an awful lot like Rose [=DeWitt=] Bukater!"? Judging from the photos we see, Rose doesn't drastically change her appearance except for perhaps a dye job (her hair looks blonde in one of the pictures), but if your friend dyed her hair a different color, you'd still recognize her face. So why does no one realize that she's Rose [=DeWitt=] Bukater?
** Because Rose's death was reported and the family accepted it. Plus it could be likely that Rose might not have become an actress of note. In that she got plenty of work but wasn't a big name so she didn't get on the posters. If she was an actress in theatre or vaudeville then it would be even harder to identify her. And it depends on when she became an actress. If it was after the Wall Street Crash and Cal's suicide then that would have been enough time for the socialites to forget what she looked like. Besides, if they think she's dead and see someone who looks like her, they're more likely to assume it's someone else who happens to look similar as oppose to "Rose must have faked her death".
** It wasn't suggested that she's ''that'' well known -- the details that get rattled off about her are basic biographical stuff (she worked as an actress in the 1920s, got married soon after, moved to Cedar Rapids, had kids, husband is dead). You don't have to be world-famous for that kind of information to be circulating about, it's the kind of thing that could be found with a few phone calls, a bit of a search on Yahoo!.com and someone with access to some old records. Chances are she moved far away from where anyone would likely recognize her (possibly Los Angeles -- good place for a struggling actress), got a few small parts to support herself but never managed to hit it big.
** At the time, and continuing into the 1930s, the upper classes (and especially the notoriously close-minded Philadelphia society) wouldn't be caught dead enjoying lowbrow mass entertainment like movies and vaudevilles. Rose's age means she would have probably been too old for Hollywood by 1930 (she would have been 35), so even if she was a giant silent movie star, very few in her former social class would have the chance to see her unless she happened to take a dramatic role on Broadway.
** Maybe it was changed for the dub, but maybe Bodine saying that Rose worked in theater, not film. As a result, Cal and Ruth would not know of her unless they lived in the same part of town - and we know they didn't, since Rose stayed in New York City while they presumably returned to their lives in Philadelphia. That would leave either attending a theatre production during a visit to New York City where Rose starred in, as a possible reunion. But we know neither was the cultural type (and Ruth in particular would be too grief-striken to see a theater play for a long time).
* Old Rose seems privy to information about the ship she couldn't possibly have known at the time; same goes for seemingly knowing about things she never witnessed during the voyage. Well, it's been 84 years, so maybe she simply heard stories from other survivors and put it all together. It would also explain the [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade character]] [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade changes]] that the historical figures went through, as Rose is probably not an [[UnreliableNarrator unbiased narrator]].

* On screen, the scene of the third class Irish mother putting her two children to bed so that they will die asleep, and experience the horror of the sinking conscious is touching, yet when you consider that their room is at the back of the ship, in the bowels, you can only imagine the horrific scenario that will follow; the tilt getting so bad the kids are thrown from bed, the sounds of the deep groans in the ship, and the lights flickering, and then the ship breaking apart, their bedroom splintering all around them, and then the sudden impact of freezing cold water churning them all up hellishly in their coffin of a cabin, suddenly, it doesn't seem like a touching sentiment afterall.

* FridgeBrilliance: Sure, he did it for epically selfish reasons, but Cal almost certainly saved the life of that child. The girl was hiding in a corner (which small children often do because they are scared and/or because they think whatever scary thing is happening is their fault), she had obviously gotten separated from her parents/guardians and chances are no one else would have helped her even if they found her, because they were all trying to save themselves and their families. It doesn't matter that Cal only did it to save himself; the fact is that she only ended up on that lifeboat because he picked her up and carried her there. If he hadn't, she probably would have either gotten trampled to death by panicking people, or she would have died when the ship went down.
** Something that might turn into FridgeHorror if you know your ''Titanic'' history and remember that all of the survivors from ''that'' lifeboat were adult males.
*** [[FlatWhat What?]] What, exactly, are you implying? I'm pretty damned sure that if she somehow ended up on a lifeboat populated only by adult males, they'd have the decency to protect her, and not do something horrible to her.
*** That's not what (s)he was getting at. If the only survivors from that lifeboat were adult males, that means the little girl wasn't a survivor from that lifeboat, and somehow did not end up making it to the ''Carpathia''. It doesn't matter because it's the wrong boat anyway.
*** Wrong lifeboat. Collapsible B, the lifeboat that is 'launched' upside-down only had adult males. Collapsible C, the one Cal boarded, had plenty of female and child passengers for the girl to be considered among the survivors.
*** Cal was actually on Collapsable A. It was the Collapsable that was attatched to roof, managed to get right-side up but didn't manage to get its sides fully up.
*** Collapsible A actually did have one female survivor on board: Rosa Abbott, who the woman Cal gave the little girl to probably is. And since the little girl is probably entirely fictional by comparison, her being in the lifeboat isn't any more FridgeHorror than Cal's being in it.
*** Also, the ''Carpathia'' reached them in about four hours. It's possible that a few hours floating in a lifeboat after watching the unsinkable ship go down with over a thousand people still on board isn't going to turn a lifeboat full of men evil.
*** Sorry to bust everyone's bubble... But that girl and the woman Cal gave her to is dead. Rosa Abbott wasn't in that boat originally when it was launched: She was left on board the Titanic when she sank, and clambered into Collapsible A after the final plunge, and there were no children in that boat. Cal is probably one of the only original passengers of that boat to have not spilled out when it tipped over.
*** A deleted scene on the ''Carpathia'' shows that the little girl did indeed survive (I believe she is even being held by the woman Cal handed her to.)
*** Although, we should all remember that this is a fictionalised account of a historical event, and you shouldn't look too hard for fictional names in historical survivors...

* Cal obviously had the potential to be an abusive husband, his behavior towards Rose was unpleasant in general, he scared her, threatened her and on one occasion, slapped her hard across the face. We know that after Rose escaped from him, he went on to marry another woman. What's the likelihood he treated her decently?

!FridgeLogic
* Couldn't Jack have just pushed one of the already dead people off a piece of debris to save himself?
** He's keeping Rose's debris balanced and a deleted scene shows him guarding that float from other survivors.
** If Rose had just stayed on the lifeboat she actually boarded, it seems [[spoiler: like Jack would have had a much better chance of survival, for one, he wouldn't have been chased back below deck by Cal and submerged in the freezing waters again (something that in real life would have only exacerbated his hypothermia even if he got back out) but presumably he would have done the same thing he did with Rose, that is, ride the ship down then find the floating door. Then they both could have survived.]]
*** [[spoiler: If Rose didn't stay with Jack, he would have been sucked down by the ship since he's not wearing any life vest. Also, if Rose remained with her mother, she wouldn't have escaped her miserable life and promise Jack to "hold on."]]
*** [[spoiler: The above is talking about the second lifeboat, the one Rose actually boards. Her mother's in an earlier one, launched from the same side-they're both put in by Lightoller-but well away. If she'd stayed on that boat, whether she hides from her mother or not depends on whether or not Cal makes it and can tell her mother Rose is still alive.]]
*** The suction from the film is fictional as Charles Joughin who also clinged on the stern didn't even wet his hair.
*** That could be because Joughin was wearing a life vest. Rose, who was also wearing a life vest, only sunk because Jack (who was not) was holding onto her.
* So after Rose fakes her death on the Titanic and comes back to the US under an assumed name, she starts a career as an actress, and while she probably wasn't a superstar, she was well-known enough that someone could look her up/know who she was long after she presumably retired. Considering how Rose's family and the Hockleys were implied to be rather prominent in East Coast (at least Philadelphia) high society (500 people coming to the wedding, they get a private tour of the ship, and they routinely hobnob with the Countess of Rothes and the Astors), wouldn't at least a few upper-class folks in Philadelphia see publicity photos of Rose/go see a play or film she starred in and say "Hey! That lady looks an awful lot like Rose [=DeWitt=] Bukater!"? Judging from the photos we see, Rose doesn't drastically change her appearance except for perhaps a dye job (her hair looks blonde in one of the pictures), but if your friend dyed her hair a different color, you'd still recognize her face. So why does no one realize that she's Rose [=DeWitt=] Bukater?
** Because Rose's death was reported and the family accepted it. Plus it could be likely that Rose might not have become an actress of note. In that she got plenty of work but wasn't a big name so she didn't get on the posters. If she was an actress in theatre or vaudeville then it would be even harder to identify her. And it depends on when she became an actress. If it was after the Wall Street Crash and Cal's suicide then that would have been enough time for the socialites to forget what she looked like. Besides, if they think she's dead and see someone who looks like her, they're more likely to assume it's someone else who happens to look similar as oppose to "Rose must have faked her death".
** It wasn't suggested that she's ''that'' well known -- the details that get rattled off about her are basic biographical stuff (she worked as an actress in the 1920s, got married soon after, moved to Cedar Rapids, had kids, husband is dead). You don't have to be world-famous for that kind of information to be circulating about, it's the kind of thing that could be found with a few phone calls, a bit of a search on Yahoo!.com and someone with access to some old records. Chances are she moved far away from where anyone would likely recognize her (possibly Los Angeles -- good place for a struggling actress), got a few small parts to support herself but never managed to hit it big.
** At the time, and continuing into the 1930s, the upper classes (and especially the notoriously close-minded Philadelphia society) wouldn't be caught dead enjoying lowbrow mass entertainment like movies and vaudevilles. Rose's age means she would have probably been too old for Hollywood by 1930 (she would have been 35), so even if she was a giant silent movie star, very few in her former social class would have the chance to see her unless she happened to take a dramatic role on Broadway.
** Maybe it was changed for the dub, but maybe Bodine saying that Rose worked in theater, not film. As a result, Cal and Ruth would not know of her unless they lived in the same part of town - and we know they didn't, since Rose stayed in New York City while they presumably returned to their lives in Philadelphia. That would leave either attending a theatre production during a visit to New York City where Rose starred in, as a possible reunion. But we know neither was the cultural type (and Ruth in particular would be too grief-striken to see a theater play for a long time).
* Old Rose seems privy to information about the ship she couldn't possibly have known at the time; same goes for seemingly knowing about things she never witnessed during the voyage. Well, it's been 84 years, so maybe she simply heard stories from other survivors and put it all together. It would also explain the [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade character]] [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade changes]] that the historical figures went through, as Rose is probably not an [[UnreliableNarrator unbiased narrator]].

!FridgeBrilliance
* FridgeBrilliance: Sure, he did it for epically selfish reasons, but Cal almost certainly saved the life of that child. The girl was hiding in a corner (which small children often do because they are scared and/or because they think whatever scary thing is happening is their fault), she had obviously gotten separated from her parents/guardians and chances are no one else would have helped her even if they found her, because they were all trying to save themselves and their families. It doesn't matter that Cal only did it to save himself; the fact is that she only ended up on that lifeboat because he picked her up and carried her there. If he hadn't, she probably would have either gotten trampled to death by panicking people, or she would have died when the ship went down.
** Something that might turn into FridgeHorror if you know your ''Titanic'' history and remember that all of the survivors from ''that'' lifeboat were adult males.
*** [[FlatWhat What?]] What, exactly, are you implying? I'm pretty damned sure that if she somehow ended up on a lifeboat populated only by adult males, they'd have the decency to protect her, and not do something horrible to her.
*** That's not what (s)he was getting at. If the only survivors from that lifeboat were adult males, that means the little girl wasn't a survivor from that lifeboat, and somehow did not end up making it to the ''Carpathia''. It doesn't matter because it's the wrong boat anyway.
*** Wrong lifeboat. Collapsible B, the lifeboat that is 'launched' upside-down only had adult males. Collapsible C, the one Cal boarded, had plenty of female and child passengers for the girl to be considered among the survivors.
*** Cal was actually on Collapsable A. It was the Collapsable that was attatched to roof, managed to get right-side up but didn't manage to get its sides fully up.
*** Collapsible A actually did have one female survivor on board: Rosa Abbott, who the woman Cal gave the little girl to probably is. And since the little girl is probably entirely fictional by comparison, her being in the lifeboat isn't any more FridgeHorror than Cal's being in it.
*** Also, the ''Carpathia'' reached them in about four hours. It's possible that a few hours floating in a lifeboat after watching the unsinkable ship go down with over a thousand people still on board isn't going to turn a lifeboat full of men evil.
*** Sorry to bust everyone's bubble... But that girl and the woman Cal gave her to is dead. Rosa Abbott wasn't in that boat originally when it was launched: She was left on board the Titanic when she sank, and clambered into Collapsible A after the final plunge, and there were no children in that boat. Cal is probably one of the only original passengers of that boat to have not spilled out when it tipped over.
*** A deleted scene on the ''Carpathia'' shows that the little girl did indeed survive (I believe she is even being held by the woman Cal handed her to.)
*** Although, we should all remember that this is a fictionalised account of a historical event, and you shouldn't look too hard for fictional names in historical survivors...
* FreezeFrameBonus: There is a total of ONE first class woman seen aboard during the final part of the sinking, behind Jack and Rose when they are running to the poop deck and momentarily stop to see the passengers jumping over the railing (Jack tells Rose that the longer they stay in the ship, the better). Four first class women died in the sinking historically: three were last seen by the bridge before it was swamped (Ida Strauss, Bess Allison, Edith Evans); nobody knows what happened to the fourth (Ann Isham). So we can conclude this one is her!
** You've forgotten Marjorie Bellamy.
*** Who is a fictional character from ''Series/UpstairsDownstairs'', the ''Series/DowntonAbbey'' of the 70s.
* At first it just seems like dramatic effect that the engine and boiler room crews are working as frantically as the guys on the bridge to avoid the crash when they can't see what's going on up top. But considering the whole crew or at least the guys in charge probably were aware of the iceberg danger then suddenly being told to reverse engines and shut the dampers for a potential impact out of the blue means they probably had a good guess of what was about to happen.
* How come the master at arms didn't come for Jack before his office started to flood? It's likely that Lovejoy approached him outside of his office, [[MagnificentBastard lied that he released Jack and gave back the key]].
** The Master at arms was sent away to help at the second-class purser's office. He was also probably too busy dealing with that to get back to the office and he likely didn't realize that the ship was sinking until it was too late.

*** If this is ''Rose'''s heaven, perhaps he and Jack have already reconciled, and he's waiting in the background because he knows Rose has been waiting a lot ''longer'' to be reunited with Jack than with him.

** I don't think it's suggested that she's ''that'' well known -- the details that get rattled off about her are basic biographical stuff (she worked as an actress in the 1920s, got married soon after, moved to Cedar Rapids, had kids, husband is dead). You don't have to be world-famous for that kind of information to be circulating about, it's the kind of thing that could be found with a few phone calls, a bit of a search on Yahoo!.com and someone with access to some old records. Chances are she moved far away from where anyone would likely recognize her (possibly Los Angeles -- good place for a struggling actress), got a few small parts to support herself but never managed to hit it big.

** Maybe it was changed for the dub but I remember Bodine saying that Rose worked in theater, not film. As a result, Cal and Ruth would not know of her unless they lived in the same part of town - and we know they didn't, since Rose stayed in New York City while they presumably returned to their lives in Philadelphia. That would leave either attending a theatre production during a visit to New York City where Rose starred in, as a possible reunion. But we know neither was the cultural type (and Ruth in particular would be too grief-striken to see a theater play for a long time).

*** This heaven is like a dream. When you dream, the characters in your dream, despite being real friends to you in waking life, do not have consciousness of their own (Which is why things like 'Hey Matt, remember when you drove a snowplow in my dream that one time? Oh yea, I do, that was awesome' don't happen) Which I guess is kinda scary in its own that all the people she sees are empty beyond the actions towards her. Maybe at least Jack can maintain inner thought. The 'real' Mr. Andrews for example probably has a different afterlife from his perspective, with friends and family of his own, back home in his own happiest time of life.

** Just a guess but: insurance. Rose 'dies' unmarried and her next of kin is Ruth, so Ruth can make claims for both their possessions on the ship. Now, that doesn't include the Heart of the Ocean, because we know Cal claims for that, but it could well include every other thing they had. The paintings, jewelry, expensive clothes, it was probably all insured. Assuming Cal got them a good deal and the claim value is about equal to the actual value of the lost goods, Ruth does better than selling them (buying second hand often gives you leeway to ask for a discount, especially if you know the seller is desperate and will take any offer). She presumably had some place arranged to stay before the wedding (even hotel reservations would be something) and there were many collections for the survivors who lost their breadwinners/source of income (craftsmen losing tools, merchants losing goods) that were pure charity if she could bring herself to ask for that (this troper thinks not). She talks to Rose about selling their fine things and taking in sewing but that is probably mother-drama. I think that Ruth could have lived reasonably as a distressed gentlewoman for the rest of her life if she could deal with the responsibility of choosing rent and food over new hats...

** In real life, I think at least one of the dogs was taken into a lifeboat by a passenger. Most of the dogs did die, though.

*** Also, the ''Carpathia'' reached them in about four hours. I doubt that a few hours floating in a lifeboat after watching the unsinkable ship go down with over a thousand people still on board is going to turn a lifeboat full of men evil.

!FridgeHorror

** I don't think it's suggested that she's ''that'' well known -- the details that get rattled off about her are basic biographical stuff (she worked as an actress in the 1920s, got married soon after, moved to Cedar Rapids, had kids, husband is dead). You don't have to be world-famous for that kind of information to be circulating about, it's the kind of thing that could be found with a few phone calls, a bit of a search on Yahoo!.com and someone with access to some old records. Chances are she moved far away from where anyone would likely recognise her (possibly Los Angeles -- good place for a struggling actress), got a few small parts to support herself but never managed to hit it big.

** Just a guess but: insurance. Rose 'dies' unmarried and her next of kin is Ruth, so Ruth can make claims for both their possessions on the ship. Now, that doesn't include the Heart of the Ocean, because we know Cal claims for that, but it could well include every other thing they had. The paintings, jewelry, expensive clothes, it was probably all insured. Assuming Cal got them a good deal and the claim value is about equal to the actual value of the lost goods, Ruth does better than selling them (buying second hand often gives you leeway to ask for a discount, especially if you know the seller is desperate and will take any offer). She presumably had some place arranged to stay before the wedding (even hotel reservations would be something) and there were many collections for the survivors who lost their breadwinners/source of income (craftsmen losing tools, merchants loosing goods) that were pure charity if she could bring herself to ask for that (this troper thinks not). She talks to Rose about selling their fine things and taking in sewing but that is probably mother-drama. I think that Ruth could have lived reasonably as a distressed gentlewoman for the rest of her life if she could deal with the responsibility of choosing rent and food over new hats...

** Admittedly, most of Cal's behavior was due to him being--understandably--upset and humiliated that his fiance was cheating on him. Even her dancing with Jack at the third class party was [[ValuesDissonance tantamount to adultery for a first class lady in 1912.]] His actual wife may have been dutiful, obediant and utterly devoted to him for all we know. Not to mention the fact that it's also possible Cal had a HeelFaceTurn after the tragedy and losing Rose. It might have occurred to him with reflection that he basically drove Rose into the arms of another man with his behavior.

*** That would depend on which marriages you're talking about and how those involved are behaving. In high society, what Rose was doing would make Cal a laughingstock by association with his apparently immature, reckless fiancé.

** Prior to returning to look for survivors officer Lowe gathered together five boats and transfered all of the passengers from his boat to others. So Cal wasn't in the boat 14 when they found Rose.

** If we take Option A and the ending is really [[spoiler: Rose dying and going to heaven]] and that's really their afterlife...well, look around. There's all the people we saw die, except Cal who's there to, what, rub salt in his wounds even beyond the grave? Including all the third-class passengers we got to meet, Rose's maid, the orchestra, the stewards manning the doors, Captain Smith, First Officer Murdoch, Thomas Andrews...so, if this is their afterlife, sucks to be them. Smith, Murdoch, Andrews, Guggenheim, at least one of the orchestra were all married with families that weren't on the ''Titanic'', Chief Officer Wilde (aka dead guy with the whistle) was a widower whose wife was already dead before the sinking, Astor's wife and unborn child lived long lives without him, not to mention that he had two grown children from a previous marriage, yet here he is, what about Fabrizio's beloved mother?

** If we take Option A and the ending is really [[spoiler: Rose dying and going to heaven]] and that's really their afterlife...well, look around. There's all the people we saw die, except Cal who's there to, what, rub salt in his wounds even beyond the grave? Including all the third-class passengers we got to meet, Rose's maid, the orchestra, the stewards manning the doors, Captain Smith, First Officer Murdoch, Thomas Andrews...so, if this is their afterlife, sucks to be them. Smith, Murdoch, Andrews, at least one of the orchestra were all married with families that weren't on the ''Titanic'', Chief Officer Wilde (aka dead guy with the whistle) was a widower whose wife was already dead before the sinking, Astor's wife and unborn child lived long lives without him, not to mention that he had two grown children from a previous marriage, yet here he is, what about Fabrizio's beloved mother?

** If we take Option A and the ending is really [[spoiler: Rose dying and going to heaven]] and that's really their afterlife...well, look around. There's all the people we saw die, except Cal who's there to, what, rub salt in his wounds even beyond the grave? Including all the third-class passengers we got to meet, Rose's maid, the orchestra, the stewards manning the doors, Captain Smith, First Officer Murdoch, Thomas Andrews...so, if this is their afterlife, sucks to be them. Smith, Murdoch, Andrews, at least one of the orchestra were all married with families that weren't on the ''Titanic'', Chief Officer Wilde (aka dead guy with the whistle) was a widower whose wife was already dead before the sinking, Astor's wife and unborn child lived long lives without him yet here he is, what about Fabrizio's beloved mother?

*** Who is a fictional character from UpstairsDownstairs the DowntonAbbey of the 70s.

*** Actually, in most marriages of two people of social convenience it wasn't a big deal if people had lovers on the side.

** If we take Option A and the ending is really [[spoiler: Rose dying and going to heaven]] and that's really their afterlife...well, look around. There's all the people we saw die, except Cal who's there to, what, rub salt in his wounds even beyond the grave? Including all the third-class passengers we got to meet, Rose's maid, the orchestra, the stewards manning the doors, Captain Smith, First Officer Murdoch, Thomas Andrews...so, if this is their afterlife, sucks to be them. Smith, Murdoch, Andrews, at least one of the orchestra were all married with families that weren't on the ''Titanic'', Chief Officer Wilde (aka dead guy with the whistle) was a widower whose wife was already dead before the sinking, Astor's wife and unborn child lived long lives without him yet here he is, what about Fabrizio's beloved mother? So either this is ''Titanic'' heaven, and it's STILL all about Rose and Jack, or, given Cal's otherwise-inexplicable presence, [[FireAndBrimstoneHell this isn't heaven...]]