Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Fridge / Titanic1997

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Was Ruth's father just like Cal? An abusive rich bastard who only care about himself and saw other women as objects? It is telling that Rose never once talks about her biological father, and the only time he's brought up, it is when Ruth disdainfully talks about how he apparently brought the family into debt and ruin. There are a lot of possibilities:

to:

* Was Ruth's father just like Cal? An abusive rich bastard who only care cared about himself and saw other women as objects? It is telling that Rose never once talks about her biological father, and the only time he's brought up, it is when Ruth disdainfully talks about how he apparently brought the family into debt and ruin. There are a lot of possibilities:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** this is an example of double standards. In 1912 it was still socially acceptable for a married man of high society to have an affair with a female lover as long as he was discreet about it but if his wife/fiancee had an affair, or even just had a male friend, no matter how discreet they were high society would throw the book at her for committing adultery regardless of the excuse; which was one of the reasons behind the fight for gender equality.

to:

*** this This is an example of double standards. In 1912 it was still socially acceptable for a married man of high society to have an affair with a female lover as long as he was discreet about it but if his wife/fiancee had an affair, or even just had a male friend, no matter how discreet they were were, high society would throw the book at her for committing adultery regardless of the excuse; which was one of the reasons behind the fight for gender equality.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** Something to consider is that, while yes Jack and Rose was together for a short while, the relationship helped Rose to break away from the restrictive life she was trapped in. If she didn't meet Jack, she would've either been married to Cal or committed suicide, thus never meeting her husband in the first place. Jack may have not been with Rose nearly as long as her husband, but he was still an important turning point in her life.

to:

*** Something to consider is that, while yes yes, Jack and Rose was were together for a short while, the relationship helped Rose to break away from the restrictive life she was trapped in. If she didn't meet hadn’t met Jack, she would've either been married to Cal or committed suicide, thus never meeting her husband in the first place. Jack may not have not been with Rose nearly as long as her husband, but he was still an important turning point in her life.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Rose alerts the lifeboat by prying an officer's whistle out of Chief Officer Wilde's dead hands. When Lowe's boat takes her aboard, he can't have not noticed the blue frozen corpse of his immediate superior staring him in the face and realized where she got the whistle. Bad enough to see all the relatively-anonymous corpses, looking straight at someone who until about twenty minutes ago was your coworker and boss, and if not for an order from another superior, that might have been you in the water....

to:

* Rose alerts the lifeboat by prying an officer's whistle out of Chief Officer Wilde's dead hands. When Lowe's boat takes her aboard, he can't cannot have not noticed failed to notice the blue frozen corpse of his immediate superior staring him in the face and realized where she got the whistle. Bad enough to see all the relatively-anonymous corpses, looking straight at someone who until about twenty minutes ago was your coworker and boss, and if not for an order from another superior, that might have been you in the water....
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** This heaven is like a dream. When you dream, the characters in your dream, despite being real friends to you in waking life, do not have consciousness of their own, which is kinda scary in its own that all the people she sees are empty beyond the actions towards her. Maybe at least Jack can maintain inner thought. The 'real' Mr. Andrews for example probably has a different afterlife from his perspective, with friends and family of his own, back home in his own happiest time of life.

to:

*** This heaven is like a dream. When you dream, the characters in your dream, despite being real friends to you in waking life, do not have consciousness of their own, which is kinda scary in on its own that all the people she sees are empty beyond the actions towards her. Maybe at least Jack can maintain inner thought. The 'real' Mr. Andrews for example probably has a different afterlife from his perspective, with friends and family of his own, back home in his own happiest time of life.



*** If Rose ''did'' die and go to Heaven at the end of the film, she's abandoning the man she married and had children with so that she can get together with a guy that she had a brief fling with several decades ago.

to:

*** If Rose ''did'' die and go to Heaven at the end of the film, she's abandoning the man she married and had children with so that she can get together with a guy that she had a brief fling with several eight decades ago.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** It could be that Rose’s father was a good man to both but finally had enough of Ruth treating him as her personal ATM to fund her own lavish lifestyle that he just up and left and considered Rose old enough to survive on her own. Ruth said her husband left them with nothing but his surname and debt but it wasn’t too unusual for a husband to abandon his family without warning.

to:

** It could be that Rose’s father was a good man to both but finally had enough of Ruth treating him as her personal ATM to fund her own lavish lifestyle that he just up and left and considered Rose old enough something caused him to survive on her own. die unexpectedly. Ruth said her husband husband/Rose’s father had left them with nothing but his surname and debt when he passed away but it wasn’t too unusual for a she didn’t say how he died. For all the audience knows Ruth might’ve murdered her husband to abandon prevent him from leaving her and taking his family without warning.fortune and Rose with him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** It could be that Rose’s father was a good man to both but finally had enough of Ruth treating him as her personal ATM to fund her own lavish lifestyle that he just up and left and considered Rose old enough to survive on her own. Ruth said her husband left them with nothing but his surname and debt but it wasn’t too unusual for a husband to abandon his family without warning.

Changed: 497

Removed: 176

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** That would depend on which marriages you're talking about and how those involved are behaving. In high society, what Rose was doing would make Cal a laughingstock by association with his apparently immature, reckless fiancée.
*** so [[WhyDidYouMakeMeHitYou she made him hit her?]] Or maybe controlling people find pretexts, excuses to abuse others, and those pretexts are not the reasons for the abuse.

to:

*** That this is an example of double standards. In 1912 it was still socially acceptable for a married man of high society to have an affair with a female lover as long as he was discreet about it but if his wife/fiancee had an affair, or even just had a male friend, no matter how discreet they were high society would depend on throw the book at her for committing adultery regardless of the excuse; which marriages you're talking about and how those involved are behaving. In high society, what Rose was doing would make Cal a laughingstock by association with his apparently immature, reckless fiancée.
*** so [[WhyDidYouMakeMeHitYou she made him hit her?]] Or maybe controlling people find pretexts, excuses to abuse others, and those pretexts are not
one of the reasons behind the fight for the abuse.gender equality.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Removed poorly written fridge logic that's more about the ship rather than the movie


* The reason why the Titanic was over capacity was because many of those onboard had originally booked passage on other ships that were canceled due to the 1912 Coal strike and the Titanic’s voyage was one of the few unaffected. One can only imagine the guilt of the striking coal miners knowing that in their efforts for better pay and safer working conditions they’d unwittingly sent 1500 innocent people to their deaths.
** even more Fridge Horror/Brilliance as some narrowly escaped the disaster as some had refused to board her, had gotten off at her last port of call in Queenstown Ireland (now Cobh), cancelled their passage, or somehow missed the boat among which was a newlywed couple who missed their connecting train and the owner of White Star Line J.P. Morgan himself!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** even more Fridge Horror/Brilliance as some narrowly escaped being among the victims as some actually got off at Queenstown (now Cohb), cancelled, or missed the boat among which was a newlywed couple who missed their connecting train and owner of White Star Line J.P. Morgan himself!

to:

** even more Fridge Horror/Brilliance as some narrowly escaped being among the victims disaster as some actually got had refused to board her, had gotten off at her last port of call in Queenstown Ireland (now Cohb), cancelled, Cobh), cancelled their passage, or somehow missed the boat among which was a newlywed couple who missed their connecting train and the owner of White Star Line J.P. Morgan himself!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* The reason why the Titanic was over capacity was because many of those onboard had originally booked passage on other ships that were canceled due to the 1912 Coal strike and the Titanic’s voyage was one of the few unaffected. One can only imagine the guilt of the striking coal miners knowing that in their efforts for better pay and safer working conditions they’d unwittingly sent 1500 innocent people to their deaths.
** even more Fridge Horror/Brilliance as some narrowly escaped being among the victims as some actually got off at Queenstown (now Cohb), cancelled, or missed the boat among which was a newlywed couple who missed their connecting train and owner of White Star Line J.P. Morgan himself!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Murdoch's DeathGlare to Ismay before ordering the lifeboat containing him to be lowered contains two degrees of subtext -- firstly, the seat that Ismay took was one that Cal had originally bribed Murdoch into giving him before running off to find Rose, so for as much as Murdoch may have wanted to call out Ismay, he knew he was in no position to do so. Secondly, while the prevailing mentality at the time was that crew members should give up their lives in order to save the lives of the passengers, Ismay ''wasn't'' a crew member (in fact, Lowe had angrily reminded him of this during a DeletedScene), and thus wasn't under any real moral obligation to go down with the ship.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* How did Rose get away with everything after Titanic? Simple: Lovett states that Rose Dewitt-Bukater died on the Titanic when she was 17. By changing her name, Rose was able to start anew and do whatever she wanted - she was no longer confined by her past; Jack ''literally'' saved her in that respect.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Unless Fabrizio's body is recovered by one of the ships sent from Halifax to pick up corpses and he has some sort of ID on him, not counting the ticket of course.

to:

** Unless Fabrizio's body is recovered by one of the ships sent from Halifax to pick up corpses and he has some sort of ID on him, not counting the ticket of course. Though ''that'' assumes that there was actually enough of Fabrizio left to identify after he got crushed by the funnel...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added

Added DiffLines:

* The fact that “propeller guy”, the guy who was electrocuted, and some of the others who fell to their deaths from dizzying heights are the luckiest victims since their deaths were at least quick. Everyone else died in horrific pain by either freezing to death or drowning….in freezing water.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The movie's AwardBaitSong[=/=]Love Theme, ''My Heart Will Go On'', is about ''Rose'''s perspective, thinking back on the romance she had with Jack, and how he will always stay in her heart, despite "the distance / And spaces between [them]".

to:

* The movie's AwardBaitSong[=/=]Love Theme, ''My "My Heart Will Go On'', On", is about from ''Rose'''s perspective, thinking back on the romance she had with Jack, and how he will always stay in her heart, despite "the distance / And spaces between [them]".
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The movie's AwardBaitSong[=/=]Love Theme, ''My Heart Will Go On'', is about ''Rose'''s persepective, thinking back on the romance she had with Jack, and how he will always stay in her heart, despite "the distance / And spaces between [them]".

to:

* The movie's AwardBaitSong[=/=]Love Theme, ''My Heart Will Go On'', is about ''Rose'''s persepective, perspective, thinking back on the romance she had with Jack, and how he will always stay in her heart, despite "the distance / And spaces between [them]".
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* The movie's AwardBaitSong[=/=]Love Theme, ''My Heart Will Go On'', is about ''Rose'''s persepective, thinking back on the romance she had with Jack, and how he will always stay in her heart, despite "the distance / And spaces between [them]".

Top