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* With prior films people have complained about Rey being far too powerful for 'just a nobody'. Then it turns out she's the granddaughter of ''Magic Space Hiter'' who is acknowledged as probably one of the most powerful Sith in a thousand years. Suddenly her powers and anger issues make a lot of sense.
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** Actually, as with his return ("I've been dead before...") Palpatine never really explains ''how'' he had this other offspring. Considering that Rey is only two generations down from him while Ren is three generations down (making Ben Solo Rey's second cousin once removed, I believe) and yet he's a bit older than she is, it's likely Palpatine had this other child ''after'' he produced Anakin Skywalker with the Force, and that this was likely sometime after he was horribly deformed. Maybe he used the Force the same as he did to make Anakin, but with more disappointing results this time; or maybe he contributed to a sperm bank or used some medical technology to pass on his genes; or maybe he used the Force to "influence" some random floozy into doing the deed with him. None of these possibilities, of course, are very pleasant to contemplate.
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** Actually, as with his return ("I've been dead before...") Palpatine never really explains ''how'' he had this other offspring. Considering that Rey is only two generations down from him while Ren is three generations down (making Ben Solo Rey's second cousin once removed, I believe) and yet he's a bit older than she is, it's likely Palpatine had this other child ''after'' he produced Anakin Skywalker with the Force, and that this was likely sometime after he was horribly deformed. Maybe he used the Force the same as he did to make Anakin, but with more disappointing results this time; or maybe he contributed to a sperm bank or used some medical technology to pass on his genes; or maybe he used the Force to "influence" some random floozy into doing the deed with him. None of these possibilities, of course, are very pleasant to contemplate.contemplate.
*** If not for the fact that Ben died (albeit in a very tragic way), the whole idea of Reylo being canon and surviving, especially when they kissed each other on the lips, ''would have led to an awkward case of accidental incest.'' Yeuch - that's one downside of Rey being descended from the Emperor himself, as opposed to her parents being literal nobodies.
*** If not for the fact that Ben died (albeit in a very tragic way), the whole idea of Reylo being canon and surviving, especially when they kissed each other on the lips, ''would have led to an awkward case of accidental incest.'' Yeuch - that's one downside of Rey being descended from the Emperor himself, as opposed to her parents being literal nobodies.
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** Or was nearby taking part in the epic space battle and simply used the force to reach out to Rey having felt what was going on.
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** Then there's the fact that Palpatine was someone's ''father.'' Imagine what their life must've been like, since they were clearly the UnPerson in the original movies.
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** Then there's the fact that Palpatine was someone's ''father.'' Imagine what their life must've been like, since they were clearly the UnPerson in the original movies.movies.
** Actually, as with his return ("I've been dead before...") Palpatine never really explains ''how'' he had this other offspring. Considering that Rey is only two generations down from him while Ren is three generations down (making Ben Solo Rey's second cousin once removed, I believe) and yet he's a bit older than she is, it's likely Palpatine had this other child ''after'' he produced Anakin Skywalker with the Force, and that this was likely sometime after he was horribly deformed. Maybe he used the Force the same as he did to make Anakin, but with more disappointing results this time; or maybe he contributed to a sperm bank or used some medical technology to pass on his genes; or maybe he used the Force to "influence" some random floozy into doing the deed with him. None of these possibilities, of course, are very pleasant to contemplate.
** Actually, as with his return ("I've been dead before...") Palpatine never really explains ''how'' he had this other offspring. Considering that Rey is only two generations down from him while Ren is three generations down (making Ben Solo Rey's second cousin once removed, I believe) and yet he's a bit older than she is, it's likely Palpatine had this other child ''after'' he produced Anakin Skywalker with the Force, and that this was likely sometime after he was horribly deformed. Maybe he used the Force the same as he did to make Anakin, but with more disappointing results this time; or maybe he contributed to a sperm bank or used some medical technology to pass on his genes; or maybe he used the Force to "influence" some random floozy into doing the deed with him. None of these possibilities, of course, are very pleasant to contemplate.
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** The Skywalker bloodline being a Sith creation also explains why the "Skywalker saga" ends with them going extinct. The Force recognizes them as the good people that they are, but their existence would always cause unrest somehow.
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** The Skywalker bloodline being a Sith creation also explains why the "Skywalker saga" ends with them going extinct. The Force recognizes them as the good people that they are, but their existence would always cause unrest somehow.somehow so it killed them off but allowed the name to live on through Rey.
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* During the climactic battle of the film, one of the voices of dead Jedi who speak to Rey is Ahsoka Tano, implying that she has already died by this point.
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* During the climactic battle of the film, one of the voices of dead Jedi who speak to Rey is Ahsoka Tano, implying that she has already died by this point.point.
* Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter. Unless he used the Force, as he hinted about Darth Plagueis in Episode 3, this means he must have had sex. Having fun with that mental image?
** If she's his ''granddaughter'', than odds are he did so when he was still in the facade of Sheev Palpatine, a time that he was [[UnderStatement much handsomer]].
** Really, simply learning that your grandpa was the vilest and most devilish person in the contemporary history of the galaxy is enough.
** Then there's the fact that Palpatine was someone's ''father.'' Imagine what their life must've been like, since they were clearly the UnPerson in the original movies.
* Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter. Unless he used the Force, as he hinted about Darth Plagueis in Episode 3, this means he must have had sex. Having fun with that mental image?
** If she's his ''granddaughter'', than odds are he did so when he was still in the facade of Sheev Palpatine, a time that he was [[UnderStatement much handsomer]].
** Really, simply learning that your grandpa was the vilest and most devilish person in the contemporary history of the galaxy is enough.
** Then there's the fact that Palpatine was someone's ''father.'' Imagine what their life must've been like, since they were clearly the UnPerson in the original movies.
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** Having ''Palpatine'' as a parent would be [[AbusiveParents bad enough]] for one's mental health to drive most people into being a drunken, burned-out delinquent of the sort Kylo described in the previous film.
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** Kylo's description of them in ''Film/TheLastJedi'' would also make sense [[MetaphoricallyTrue as far as even he and Rey knew.]] Rey's mother or father probably ''were'' nobodies compared to Palpatine's reputation as TheEmperor, which would be a ToughActToFollow.
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** Kylo's description of them in ''Film/TheLastJedi'' would also make sense [[MetaphoricallyTrue as far as even he and Rey knew.]] Rey's mother or father probably ''were'' nobodies compared to Palpatine's reputation as TheEmperor, which would obviously be a ToughActToFollow.
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** Kylo's description of them in ''TheLastJedi'' would also make sense [[MetaphoricallyTrue as far as even he and Rey knew.]] Rey's mother or father probably ''were'' nobodies compared to Palpatine's reputation as TheEmperor, which would be a ToughActToFollow.
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** Kylo's description of them in ''TheLastJedi'' ''Film/TheLastJedi'' would also make sense [[MetaphoricallyTrue as far as even he and Rey knew.]] Rey's mother or father probably ''were'' nobodies compared to Palpatine's reputation as TheEmperor, which would be a ToughActToFollow.
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** Kylo's description of them in ''TheLastJedi'' would also make sense [[MetaphoricallyTrue as far as even he and Rey knew.]] Rey's mother or father probably ''were'' nobodies compared to Palpatine's reputation as TheEmperor, which would be a ToughActToFollow.
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** The Skywalker bloodline being a Sith creation also explains why the "Skywalker saga" ends with them going extinct. The Force recognizes them as the good people that they are, but their existence would always cause unrest somehow.
* While it's hard to see Palpatine being a father, let alone a grandfather, it wouldn't be hard to say he got the idea from Darth Vader. The whole reason Anakin turned in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' was to save his ''pregnant wife'' Padme and their child (it wasn't until ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' that he knew had twins). That said child never appeared in the OT suggests they didn't inherit Palpatine's powers, which is why they hid Rey and ended up killed.
* In the prequel trilogy, it's explained that the Jedi Order destroyed the Sith Order, however the Jedi didn't hunt down and destroy the Sith remnants, resulting in Palpatine overthrowing the Jedi Order, leading to the Galactic Empire. Following the original trilogy, the heroes didn't hunt down and destroy the Imperial remnants, leading to the First Order. But this time, all these remnants were finally destroyed - the battle is truly won now.
* While it's hard to see Palpatine being a father, let alone a grandfather, it wouldn't be hard to say he got the idea from Darth Vader. The whole reason Anakin turned in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' was to save his ''pregnant wife'' Padme and their child (it wasn't until ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' that he knew had twins). That said child never appeared in the OT suggests they didn't inherit Palpatine's powers, which is why they hid Rey and ended up killed.
* In the prequel trilogy, it's explained that the Jedi Order destroyed the Sith Order, however the Jedi didn't hunt down and destroy the Sith remnants, resulting in Palpatine overthrowing the Jedi Order, leading to the Galactic Empire. Following the original trilogy, the heroes didn't hunt down and destroy the Imperial remnants, leading to the First Order. But this time, all these remnants were finally destroyed - the battle is truly won now.
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* The reveal that Palpatine is Rey's grandfather means he had a child. That said child never appeared in the OT suggests they didn't inherit Palpatine's powers. As crippled as Darth Vader was, he was nearly unstoppable; Luke had to give into his hate, thus drawing on the Dark Side, to defeat him. Now imagine if Palpatine's kid ''did'' inherit his powers: that kid would have potential on par with a healthy Anakin, and would ''be'' unstoppable.
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* Rey being a Skywalker isn't as far-fetched as it appears on the surface, as Palpatine was involved in Anakin's creation, making him, in a way, Anakin's father (or half-father, when you account for Darth Plagueis). Following this logic, that makes Rey and Ben second cousins, once removed (she is Palpatine's grand-daughter, while Ben would be Palpatine's great-grandson).
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* Rey being a Skywalker isn't as far-fetched as it appears on the surface, as Palpatine was involved in Anakin's creation, creation[[note]]Palpatine, while aiding his master, caused the midichlorians to impregnate Shmi Skywalker, leading to Anakin's birth[[/note]], making him, in a way, Anakin's father (or half-father, when you account for Darth Plagueis). Following this logic, that makes Rey and Ben second cousins, once removed (she is Palpatine's grand-daughter, while Ben would be Palpatine's great-grandson).
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* Rey being a Skywalker isn't as far-fetched as it appears on the surface, as Palpatine was involved in Anakin's creation, making him, in a way, Anakin's father (or half-father, when you account for Darth Plagueis). Following this logic, that makes Rey and Ben second cousins, once removed (she is Palpatine's grand-daughter, while Ben would be Palpatine's great-grandson.
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* Rey being a Skywalker isn't as far-fetched as it appears on the surface, as Palpatine was involved in Anakin's creation, making him, in a way, Anakin's father (or half-father, when you account for Darth Plagueis). Following this logic, that makes Rey and Ben second cousins, once removed (she is Palpatine's grand-daughter, while Ben would be Palpatine's great-grandson.
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* Rey being a Skywalker isn't as far-fetched as it appears on the surface, as Palpatine was involved in Anakin's creation, making him, in a way, Anakin's father (or half-father, when you account for Darth Plagueis). Following this logic, that makes Rey and Ben second cousins, once removed (she is Palpatine's grand-daughter, while Ben would be Palpatine's great-grandson.
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** What kind of horror has Palpatine turned into, and what extent do Rey and company have to go to get rid of him for good? Throwing any other human down the ''reactor shaft'' of a Death Star that was then blown up would leave them DeaderThanDead - but whatever form Palpatine is in, he's well enough to ''laugh''.
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** What kind of horror has Palpatine turned into, and what extent do Rey and company have to go to get rid of him for good? Throwing any other human down the ''reactor shaft'' of a Death Star that was then blown up would leave them DeaderThanDead - but whatever form Palpatine is in, he's well enough to ''laugh''.''laugh''.
* During the climactic battle of the film, one of the voices of dead Jedi who speak to Rey is Ahsoka Tano, implying that she has already died by this point.
* During the climactic battle of the film, one of the voices of dead Jedi who speak to Rey is Ahsoka Tano, implying that she has already died by this point.
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* The title of the film [[ThemeNaming follows the traditional]] "R of the X" pattern the previous trilogy-enders used -- ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' and finally ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker''. Only the "the" has changed place.
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** What kind of horror has Palpatine turned into, and what extent do Rey and company have to go to get rid of him for good? Throwing any other human down the ''reactor shaft'' of a Death Star that was then blown up would leave them DeaderThanDead - but whatever form Palpatine is in, he's well enough to ''laugh''.
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* Either the planet we see Rey standing on when she is preparing to jump over the starfighter has three suns, or that scene is cut together from at least three separate scenes of her in the desert, or the director is being really sloppy. Rey is lit from at least three different directions and two very different times of day during that scene: sometimes the light is coming from in front of her, sometimes from the right-rear, and sometimes from the left-rear (when referenced based on her standing facing the approaching fighter). Most of the scene is apparently mid-afternoon, but the shot where she actually jumps the fighter has the sun much lower in the sky.
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* Either the planet we see Rey standing on when she is preparing to jump over the starfighter has three suns, or that scene is cut together from at least three separate scenes of her in the desert, or the director is being really sloppy. Rey is lit from at least three different directions and two very different times of day during that scene: sometimes the light is coming from in front of her, sometimes from the right-rear, and sometimes from the left-rear (when referenced based on her standing facing the approaching fighter). Most of the scene is apparently mid-afternoon, but the shot where she actually jumps the fighter has the sun much lower in the sky.
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** What kind of horror has Palpatine turned into, and what extent do Rey and company have to go to get rid of him for good? Throwing any other human down the ''reactor shaft'' of a Death Star that was then blown up would leave them DeaderThanDead - but whatever form Palpatine is in, he's well enough to ''laugh''.
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* Either the planet we see Rey standing on when she is preparing to jump over the starfighter has three suns, or that scene is cut together from at least three separate scenes of her in the desert, or the director is being really sloppy. Rey is lit from at least three different directions and two very different times of day during that scene: sometimes the light is coming from in front of her, sometimes from the right-rear, and sometimes from the left-rear (when referenced based on her standing facing the approaching fighter). Most of the scene is apparently mid-afternoon, but the shot where she actually jumps the fighter has the sun much lower in the sky.''laugh''.
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* Either the planet we see Rey standing on when she is preparing to jump over the starfighter has three suns, or that scene is cut together from at least three separate scenes of her in the desert, or the director is being really sloppy. Rey is lit from at least three different directions and two very different times of day during that scene: sometimes the light is coming from in front of her, sometimes from the right-rear, and sometimes from the left-rear (when referenced based on her standing facing the approaching fighter). Most of the scene is apparently mid-afternoon, but the shot where she actually jumps the fighter has the sun much lower in the sky.
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** What kind of horror has Palpatine turned into, and what extent do Rey and company have to go to get rid of him for good? Throwing any other human down the ''reactor shaft'' of a Death Star that was then blown up would leave them DeaderThanDead - but whatever form Palpatine is in, he's well enough to ''laugh''.
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** Further, whichever Skywalker being referred to is "rising" rather than "returning", which suggests the growth of something new rather than the return of something old, fitting with ''Film/TheLastJedi'' and its theme of learning from previous mistakes. The Jedi order may have ended, but the Skywalker legacy stands to grow in a positive way.
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** Further, whichever Skywalker being referred to is "rising" rather than "returning", which suggests the growth of something new rather than the return of something old, fitting with ''Film/TheLastJedi'' and its theme of learning from previous mistakes. The Jedi order Order may have ended, but the Skywalker legacy stands to grow in a positive way.
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* Just the very fact that [[HesBack Palpatine has returned]] in some form and may very well have continued to influence events from after ''Return of the Jedi'', including the creation of the First Order and the planet-killing Starkiller Base. Anakin Skywalker's redemption and sacrifice plus all the lives lost and homes destroyed in the Galaxy-wide war in the original trilogy may have been in vain.
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* Just the very fact that [[HesBack Palpatine has returned]] in some form and may very well have continued to influence events from after ''Return of the Jedi'', including the creation of the First Order and the planet-killing Starkiller Base. Anakin Skywalker's redemption and sacrifice plus all the lives lost and homes destroyed in the Galaxy-wide galaxy-wide war in the original trilogy may have been in vain.
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* Just the very fact that [[HesBack Palpatine has returned]] in some form and may very well have continued to influence events from after ''Return of the Jedi'', including the creation of the First Order and the planet-killing Starkiller Base. Anakin Skywalker's redemption and sacrifice plus all the lives lost and homes destroyed in the Galaxy-wide war in the original trilogy may have been in vain.
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* Just the very fact that [[HesBack Palpatine has returned]] in some form and may very well have continued to influence events from after ''Return of the Jedi'', including the creation of the First Order and the planet-killing Starkiller Base. Anakin Skywalker's redemption and sacrifice plus all the lives lost and homes destroyed in the Galaxy-wide war in the original trilogy may have been in vain.vain.
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* Either the planet we see Rey standing on when she is preparing to jump over the starfighter has three suns, or that scene is cut together from at least three separate scenes of her in the desert, or the director is being really sloppy. Rey is lit from at least three different directions and two very different times of day during that scene: sometimes the light is coming from in front of her, sometimes from the right-rear, and sometimes from the left-rear (when referenced based on her standing facing the approaching fighter). Most of the scene is apparently mid-afternoon, but the shot where she actually jumps the fighter has the sun much lower in the sky.
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* Either the planet we see Rey standing on when she is preparing to jump over the starfighter has three suns, or that scene is cut together from at least three separate scenes of her in the desert, or the director is being really sloppy. Rey is lit from at least three different directions and two very different times of day during that scene: sometimes the light is coming from in front of her, sometimes from the right-rear, and sometimes from the left-rear (when referenced based on her standing facing the approaching fighter). Most of the scene is apparently mid-afternoon, but the shot where she actually jumps the fighter has the sun much lower in the sky.
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* Just the very fact that [[CompleteMonster Palpatine]] [[HolyShitQuotient has]] [[HesBack returned]] in some form and may very well have continued to influence events from after ''Return of the Jedi'', including the creation of the First Order and the planet-killing Starkiller Base. Anakin Skywalker's redemption and sacrifice plus all the lives lost and homes destroyed in the Galaxy-wide war in the original trilogy may have been in vain.
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* Just the very fact that [[CompleteMonster Palpatine]] [[HolyShitQuotient has]] [[HesBack Palpatine has returned]] in some form and may very well have continued to influence events from after ''Return of the Jedi'', including the creation of the First Order and the planet-killing Starkiller Base. Anakin Skywalker's redemption and sacrifice plus all the lives lost and homes destroyed in the Galaxy-wide war in the original trilogy may have been in vain.
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* The title "The Rise of Skywalker" is (all logic aside) a subtle callback to ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' - after all, in that movie, Anakin Skywalker's original personality and light-side allegiance returned from decades of being Darth Vader, so one might easily say that Skywalker rose within Vader.
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* The title "The Rise of Skywalker" is (all logic aside) a subtle callback to ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' - after all, in that movie, Anakin Skywalker's original personality and light-side allegiance returned from decades of being Darth Vader, so one might easily say that Skywalker rose within Vader.
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* The poster has a light blue ColorMotif for its text, as opposed to the very prominent red featured in ''The Last Jedi'' and the classic yellow featured in ''Film/TheForceAwakens''. Blue is a color that is associated with Jedi via their blue lightsabers, such as Obi-Wan's and Anakin's lightsabers. The blue is the color of the sky, a pun on the Skywalker name. [[InsaneTrollLogic The poster is a visual indication that things are going to bounce upwards after ''The Last Jedi'' brought our heroes down to their lowest point.
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* The title "The Rise of Skywalker" is (all logic aside) a subtle callback to ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' - after all, in that movie, Anakin Skywalker's original personality and light-side allegiance returned from decades of being Darth Vader, so one might easily say that Skywalker rose within Vader.
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* Just the very fact that [[CompleteMonster Palpatine]] [[HolyShitQuotient has]] [[HesBack returned]] in some form and may very well have continued to influence events from after Return of the Jedi, including the creation of the First Order and the planet-killing Starkiller Base. Anakin Skywalker's redemption and sacrifice plus all the lives lost and homes destroyed in the Galaxy-wide war in the original trilogy may have been in vain.
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* Just the very fact that [[CompleteMonster Palpatine]] [[HolyShitQuotient has]] [[HesBack returned]] in some form and may very well have continued to influence events from after Return ''Return of the Jedi, Jedi'', including the creation of the First Order and the planet-killing Starkiller Base. Anakin Skywalker's redemption and sacrifice plus all the lives lost and homes destroyed in the Galaxy-wide war in the original trilogy may have been in vain.
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** Further, whichever Skywalker being referred to is "rising" rather than "returning", which suggests the growth of something new rather than the return of something old, fitting with ''Film/TheLastJedi'' and its theme of learning from previous mistakes. The Jedi order may have ended, but the Skywalker legacy stands to grow in a positive way.
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** Further, whichever Skywalker being referred to is "rising" rather than "returning", which suggests the growth of something new rather than the return of something old, fitting with ''Film/TheLastJedi'' and its theme of learning from previous mistakes. The Jedi order may have ended, but the Skywalker legacy stands to grow in a positive way.way.
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* Just the very fact that [[CompleteMonster Palpatine]] [[HolyShitQuotient has]] [[HesBack returned]] in some form and may very well have continued to influence events from after Return of the Jedi, including the creation of the First Order and the planet-killing Starkiller Base. Anakin Skywalker's redemption and sacrifice plus all the lives lost and homes destroyed in the Galaxy-wide war in the original trilogy may have been in vain.
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* Just the very fact that [[CompleteMonster Palpatine]] [[HolyShitQuotient has]] [[HesBack returned]] in some form and may very well have continued to influence events from after Return of the Jedi, including the creation of the First Order and the planet-killing Starkiller Base. Anakin Skywalker's redemption and sacrifice plus all the lives lost and homes destroyed in the Galaxy-wide war in the original trilogy may have been in vain.
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** Further, whichever Skywalker being referred to is "rising" rather than "returning", which suggests the growth of something new rather than the return of something old, fitting with TheLastJedi and its theme of learning from previous mistakes. The Jedi order may have ended, but the Skywalker legacy stands to grow in a positive way.
** Further, whichever Skywalker being referred to is "rising" rather than "returning", which suggests the growth of something new rather than the return of something old, fitting with TheLastJedi and its theme of learning from previous mistakes. The Jedi order may have ended, but the Skywalker legacy stands to grow in a positive way.
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* The title "The Rise of Skywalker" is a subtle callback to ReturnOfTheJedi ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' - after all, in that movie, Anakin Skywalker's original personality and light-side allegiance returned from decades of being Darth Vader, so one might easily say that Skywalker rose within Vader.
** Further, whichever Skywalker being referred to is "rising" rather than "returning", which suggests the growth of something new rather than the return of something old, fitting withTheLastJedi ''Film/TheLastJedi'' and its theme of learning from previous mistakes. The Jedi order may have ended, but the Skywalker legacy stands to grow in a positive way.
** Further, whichever Skywalker being referred to is "rising" rather than "returning", which suggests the growth of something new rather than the return of something old, fitting with
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* The title "The Rise of Skywalker" is a subtle callback to ReturnOfTheJedi - after all, in that movie, Anakin Skywalker's original personality and light-side allegiance returned from decades of being Darth Vader, so one might easily say that Skywalker rose within Vader.
** Further, whichever Skywalker being referred to is "rising" rather than "returning", which suggests the growth of something new rather than the return of something old, fitting with TheLastJedi and its theme of learning from previous mistakes. The Jedi order may have ended, but the Skywalker legacy stands to grow in a positive way.
* The title "The Rise of Skywalker" is a subtle callback to ReturnOfTheJedi - after all, in that movie, Anakin Skywalker's original personality and light-side allegiance returned from decades of being Darth Vader, so one might easily say that Skywalker rose within Vader.
** Further, whichever Skywalker being referred to is "rising" rather than "returning", which suggests the growth of something new rather than the return of something old, fitting with TheLastJedi and its theme of learning from previous mistakes. The Jedi order may have ended, but the Skywalker legacy stands to grow in a positive way.
