History Fridge / TheNewOrderLastDaysOfEurope

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms.

* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whenthe Ordenstaat falls apart, it's clear that [[InferredHolocaust the economic, cultural and human costs]] there might not even leave ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.
* Burgundy, when it collapses, is going to have a lot of nuclear weapons lying around that won't go away when Himmler dies. There are two possibilities for what happens to them next, and both are equally terrifying. The first is that it falls into the hands of some post-Himmler warlord. They'll know about MAD, and will keep their nukes as a deterrence. So post-collapse Burgundy might not return to a sane form of government, but merely ruled by set of warlords who could never be invaded lest they nuke their invaders, whose government was [[FullCircleRevolution just as insane as the one they left]]. The other is that it gets lost. Lost nukes are already a scary thought, but in the [=TNOverse=], there might be even more of them, they'd all be in one place, and they could very feasibly get into the hands of fanatical Burgundian System adherents that are desperate and crazy enough to use them. In short, there's a very real possibility that ''nuclear terrorism'' could happen in the [=TNOverse=].

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."

* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whenthe Ordenstaat falls apart, it's clear that [[InferredHolocaust the economic, cultural and human costs]] would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.
* Burgundy, when it collapses, is going to have a lot of nuclear weapons lying around that won't go away when Himmler dies. There are two possibilities for what happens to them next, and both are equally terrifying. The first is that it falls into the hands of some post-Himmler warlord. They'll know about MAD, and will keep their nukes as a deterrence, a la North Korea. So post-collapse Burgundy might not return to a sane form of government, but merely ruled by set of warlords who could never be invaded lest they nuke their invaders, whose government was [[FullCircleRevolution just as insane as the one they left]]. The other is that it gets lost. Lost nukes are already a scary thought, but in the [=TNOverse=], there might be even more of them, they'd all be in one place, and they could very feasibly get into the hands of fanatical Burgundian System adherents that are desperate and crazy enough to use them. In short, there's a very real possibility that ''nuclear terrorism'' could happen in the [=TNOverse=].

* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that [[InferredHolocaust the economic, cultural and human costs]] would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.

* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Muto to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].

* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].

* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave comfort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].

* The [[TheRemnant Redeemed Black League]] has survived Taboritsky's regime by hiding out in their bunkers as part of Plan HYDRA, reemerging after the Holy Russian Empire's collapse and ready to [[GenocideFromTheInside wage a Great Trial against the Russian people]]. However, the most terrifying part of the Redeemed Black League is arguably not its ideology but the fact that they survived Taboritsky's regime in the first place. In a scenario where a [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure relatively moderate/sane government reunifies Russia]], the spectre of the Black League could still hang over both Russia and the world with the remnants of the Black League remaining a dangerous threat to the world [[RussianTerrorists as a terrorist organization]].

* The Redeemed Black League has survived Taboritsky's regime by hiding out in their bunkers as part of Plan HYDRA, reemerging after the Holy Russian Empire's collapse and ready to wage a Great Trial against the Russian people. However, the most terrifying part of the Redeemed Black League is arguably not its ideology but the fact that they survived Taboritsky's regime in the first place. In a scenario where a relatively moderate/sane government reunifies Russia, the spectre of the Black League could still hang over both Russia and the world with the remnants of the Black League remaining a dangerous threat to the world as a terrorist organization.

** In a darkly ironic twist, a scenario where Speer's reforms ensures Nazi Germany's survival and the normalization of fascism across the globe would fulfill a quote the real Albert Speer once gave in a post-war interview:

* Russia after Taboritsky's unification and collapse has the identity of Tsarevich Alexei II assumed by a Polish former NKVD agent, who uses it to forward his Communist ideals under a banner that gives the people hope. While he is genuinely benevolent and wants what is best for his "subjects", his success as a warlord and potential to become a unifier can (and probably will) send the wrong message: that Taboritsky's [[FinalSolution insanity and cruelty]] were ''[[MadOracle right all along]]''. As his image is close to divine thanks to the propaganda of the HRE and will allow him to overrule and dissuade a revival of any characteristics from the former Burgundian System, one can't help but imagine there being adherents to the HRE that will use Goleniewski's rule and successes as a justification for future worse atrocities. The implications of the worn-down sanity of the people, as seen from how the citizenry ''and'' the military are able to be convinced of his legitimacy, only help to fuel this fear. This is at least mitigated from a quick mention of how Taboritsky has come to be called a heretical regent during "Alexei's" introduction.

* In RealLife, Albert Speer stated in a post-war interview that:



* In TNO, Speer himself can make this possible by reforming and doing away with Nazism's most-self destructive aspects, ensuring its long-term survival and normalizing it on a global scale that [[MeetTheNewBoss Bormann and his party officials]], [[WarHawk Goering and his militarists]] and even the [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans fanatical Burgundian System adherents]] could only dream of.

--> "If the Nazis had won, of course, things on the surface would eventually have settled down to an appearance of normality. The milkman would deliver his milk in the morning, the policeman would enforce the law, the doctor would cure the sick, people would still worry about their jobs, fight with their wives, save for a new car. But they would be living in a nightmare, buried in a graveyard of human hope and dignity, trapped in a hell they would never recognize, much less question. The long dark night would have begun, and finally man would not even remember the light."

* In RealLife, Albert Speer stated in a post-war interview that, "If the Nazis had won, of course, things on the surface would eventually have settled down to an appearance of normality. The milkman would deliver his milk in the morning, the policeman would enforce the law, the doctor would cure the sick, people would still worry about their jobs, fight with their wives, save for a new car. But they would be living in a nightmare, buried in a graveyard of human hope and dignity, trapped in a hell they would never recognize, much less question. The long dark night would have begun, and finally man would not even remember the light." In TNO, Speer himself can make this possible by reforming and doing away with Nazism's most-self destructive aspects, ensuring its long-term survival and normalizing it on a global scale that [[MeetTheNewBoss Bormann and his party officials]], [[WarHawk Goering and his militarists]] and even the [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans fanatical Burgundian System adherents]] could only dream of.

* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

* In RealLife, Albert Speer stated in a post-war interview that, "If the Nazis had won, of course, things on the surface would eventually have settled down to an appearance of normality. The milkman would deliver his milk in the morning, the policeman would enforce the law, the doctor would cure the sick, people would still worry about their jobs, fight with their wives, save for a new car. But they would be living in a nightmare, buried in a graveyard of human hope and dignity, trapped in a hell they would never recognize, much less question. The long dark night would have begun, and finally man would not even remember the light." In TNO, Speer himself can make this possible by reforming and doing away with Nazism's most-self destructive aspects, and normalizing it on a global scale [[MeetTheNewBoss Bormann and his party officials]], [[WarHawk Goering and his militarists]] and even the [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans fanatical Burgundian System adherents]] could only dream of.

* While Taboritsky's regime is already horrifying enough, the international reprecussions of its collapse is probably going to be horrible in unexpected ways as the collapse, with how it utterly and completely destroys the idea of a united Russia, means that Germany, with a united Russia permanently destroyed, has its eastern flank secured [[TheBadGuyWins and possibly win the Cold War]] [[PragmaticVillainy under competent and pragmatic leadership]], especially if America and Japan find themselves having their own troubles in this period.

* While Taboritsky's regime is already horrifying enough, the international reprecussions of its collapse is probably going to be horrible in unexpected ways as the collapse, with how it utterly and completely destroys the idea of a united Russia, means that Germany, with a united Russia permanently destroyed, has its eastern flank secured [[TheBadGuyWins and possibly win the Cold War]][[PragmaticVillainy under competent and pragmatic leadership]], especially if America and Japan find themselves having their own troubles in this period.

* While Taboritsky's regime is already horrifying enough, the international reprecussions of its collapse is probably going to be horrible in unexpected ways as the collapse, with how it utterly and completely destroys the idea of a united Russia, means that Germany, with a united Russia permanently destroyed, has its eastern flank secured [[TheBadGuyWins and possibly win the Cold War]].

* While Taboritsky's regime is already horrifying enough, the international reprecussions of its collapse is probably going to be horrible in unexpected ways as the collapse, with how it utterly and completely destroys the idea of a united Russia, means that Germany and Japan both are able to secure their positions [[TheBadGuyWins and win the Cold War]].

* While Taboritsky's regime is already horrifying enough, the international reprecussions of its collapse is probably going to be horrible in unexpected ways as the collapse, owing to how the Second West Russian War and a reunified Russia's role in the Great Asian War would help determine the destinies of Germany and Japan, with how it utterly and completely destroys the idea of a united Russia, means that Germany and Japan both are able to secure their positions [[TheBadGuyWins and win the Cold War]].

* Burgundy, when it collapses, is going to have a lot of nuclear weapons lying around that won't go away when Himmler dies. There are two possibilities for what happens to them next, and both are equally terrifying. The first is that it falls into the hands of some post-Himmler warlord. They'll know about MAD, and will keep their nukes as a deterrence, a la North Korea. So post-collapse Burgundy might not return to a sane form of government, but merely ruled by set of warlords who could never be invaded lest they nuke their invaders, whose government was [[FullCircleRevolution just as insane as the one they left]]. The other is that it gets lost. Lost nukes are already a scary thought, but in the [=TNOverse=], there might be even more of them, they'd all be in one place, and they could very feasibly get into the hands of fanatical Burgundian System adherents that are desperate and crazy enough to use them. In short, there's a very real possibility that ''nuclear terrorism'' could happen in the [=TNOverse=].

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.

* Burgundy, when it collapses, is going to have a lot of nuclear weapons lying around that won't go away when Himmler dies. There are two possibilities for what happens to them next, and both are equally terrifying. The first is that it falls into the hands of some post-Himmler warlord. They'll know about MAD, and will keep their nukes as a deterrence, a la North Korea. So post-collapse Burgundy might not return to a sane form of government, but merely ruled by set of warlords who could never be invaded lest they nuke their invaders, whose government was [[FullCircleRevolution just as insane as the one they left]]. The other is that it gets lost. Lost nukes are already a scary thought, but in the TNOverse, there might be even more of them, they'd all be in one place, and they could very feasibly get into the hands of fanatical Burgundian System adherents that are desperate and crazy enough to use them. In short, there's a very real possibility that ''nuclear terrorism'' could happen in the TNOverse.

* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that [[InferredHolocaust the economic, cultural and human costs]] would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.

* Konstantin Rodzaevsky's undergoes a peculiar case of CharacterDevelopment from a raving, paranoid, and alcoholic madman in the middle of nowhere to a [[StraightEdgeEvil chillingly competent]] and ''sane'' Vozhd by the time he reunifies Russia. As much as it is a perverse reversal of Sergey Taboritsky's SanitySlippage, it also makes sense in how the very circumstances that brought Amur to its initially pitiful state force him to actually change his self-destructive habits if he's to actually ''rule'' properly.

* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].