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* Burgundy, when it collapses, is going to have a lot of nuclear weapons lying around that won't go away when Himmler dies. There are two possibilities for what happens to them next, and both are equally terrifying. The first is that it falls into the hands of some post-Himmler warlord. They'll know about MAD, and will keep their nukes as a deterrence, a la North Korea. So post-collapse Burgundy might not return to a sane form of government, but merely ruled by set of warlords who could never be invaded lest they nuke their invaders, whose government was [[FullCircleRevolution just as insane as the one they left]]. The other is that it gets lost. Lost nukes are already a scary thought, but in the TNOverse, there might be even more of them, they'd all be in one place, and they could very feasibly get into the hands of fanatical Burgundian System adherents that are desperate and crazy enough to use them. In short, there's a very real possibility that ''nuclear terrorism'' could happen in the TNOverse.

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* Burgundy, when it collapses, is going to have a lot of nuclear weapons lying around that won't go away when Himmler dies. There are two possibilities for what happens to them next, and both are equally terrifying. The first is that it falls into the hands of some post-Himmler warlord. They'll know about MAD, and will keep their nukes as a deterrence, a la North Korea. So post-collapse Burgundy might not return to a sane form of government, but merely ruled by set of warlords who could never be invaded lest they nuke their invaders, whose government was [[FullCircleRevolution just as insane as the one they left]]. The other is that it gets lost. Lost nukes are already a scary thought, but in the TNOverse, [=TNOverse=], there might be even more of them, they'd all be in one place, and they could very feasibly get into the hands of fanatical Burgundian System adherents that are desperate and crazy enough to use them. In short, there's a very real possibility that ''nuclear terrorism'' could happen in the TNOverse.[=TNOverse=].


* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that [[InferredHolocaust the economic, cultural and human costs]] would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.

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* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that [[InferredHolocaust the economic, cultural and human costs]] would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.rebuild.
* Burgundy, when it collapses, is going to have a lot of nuclear weapons lying around that won't go away when Himmler dies. There are two possibilities for what happens to them next, and both are equally terrifying. The first is that it falls into the hands of some post-Himmler warlord. They'll know about MAD, and will keep their nukes as a deterrence, a la North Korea. So post-collapse Burgundy might not return to a sane form of government, but merely ruled by set of warlords who could never be invaded lest they nuke their invaders, whose government was [[FullCircleRevolution just as insane as the one they left]]. The other is that it gets lost. Lost nukes are already a scary thought, but in the TNOverse, there might be even more of them, they'd all be in one place, and they could very feasibly get into the hands of fanatical Burgundian System adherents that are desperate and crazy enough to use them. In short, there's a very real possibility that ''nuclear terrorism'' could happen in the TNOverse.


* Konstantin Rodzaevsky's undergoes a peculiar case of CharacterDevelopment from a raving, paranoid, and alcoholic madman in the middle of nowhere to a [[StraightEdgeEvil chillingly competent]] and ''sane'' Vozhd by the time he reunifies Russia. As much as it is a perverse reversal of Sergey Taboritsky's SanitySlippage, it also makes sense in how the very circumstances that brought Amur to its initially pitiful state force him to actually change his self-destructive habits if he's to actually ''rule'' properly.

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* Konstantin Rodzaevsky's Rodzaevsky undergoes a peculiar case of CharacterDevelopment from a raving, paranoid, and alcoholic madman in the middle of nowhere to a [[StraightEdgeEvil chillingly competent]] and ''sane'' Vozhd by the time he reunifies Russia. As much as it is a perverse reversal of Sergey Taboritsky's SanitySlippage, it also makes sense in how the very circumstances that brought Amur to its initially pitiful state force him to actually change his self-destructive habits if he's to actually ''rule'' properly.



* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].

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* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort comfort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].



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* Konstantin Rodzaevsky's undergoes a peculiar case of CharacterDevelopment from a raving, paranoid, and alcoholic madman in the middle of nowhere to a [[StraightEdgeEvil chillingly competent]] and ''sane'' Vozhd by the time he reunifies Russia. As much as it is a perverse reversal of Sergey Taboritsky's SanitySlippage, it also makes sense in how the very circumstances that brought Amur to its initially pitiful state force him to actually change his self-destructive habits if he's to actually ''rule'' properly.



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* Why does Taboritsky keep referencing God and machines? It's because he'll believe Alexei will return and pull a DeusExMachina to solve all of Russia's troubles altogether!


* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.

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* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that [[InferredHolocaust the economic, cultural and human costs costs]] would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.


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haha stinky poop ahahahhah'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.


'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.

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'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.
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haha stinky poop ahahahhah'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.


'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.

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'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.
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haha stinky poop ahahahhah'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.


'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.

to:

'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.
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haha stinky poop ahahahhah'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.


'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.

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'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.
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haha stinky poop ahahahhah'''All spoilers are unmarked in Fridge pages. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned!'''
!! Fridge Brilliance

* Because his goal is to end the world, and Germany has an apocalyptic nuclear arsenal, why doesn't Himmler directly invade Germany in their Civil War to help Heydrich, instead of invading France? However, there were several reasons this was the smartest move. First, it's pointed out by Burgundy's economy minister that their economy is in shambles, and is on the verge of collapse. Simply put, an invasion would be do or die for Burgundy; even if it wasn't overrun by one of the other factions, it would just implode due to a lack of funds. Second, Heydrich's position is almost doomed; he has no chance under the AI, and is ridiculously hard for the player. This might be dismissed as being for game balance purposes, as having the world inevitably end would not be a fun experience for a non-Heydrich player, but it's even acknowledged in-universe how screwed Heydrich is, with Himmler's focus for him losing the Civil War being called ''A Predictable Failure''. Third, the other factions in the Civil War have nukes of their own, and though they usually only use them if the war devolves into Anarchy, they'd probably be more willing to use them if a foreign country is invading, which most of Germany considers Burgundy to be at this point. It's not told how many nukes the other factions have, but it's safe to say that Burgundy's one or few nuke arsenal would not dissuade the other factions from launching, and that they'd have enough nukes to pave Burgundy.
* Trying to pull off the same pace of reforms seen by a successful Gang of Four in Germany doesn't quite work the same way in Japan, despite what some elements of the Taisei Yokusankai (especially Takagi) would want. If anything, trying to go for drastic liberalization or other radical changes is more likely to spur Kishi to execute [[ThePurge Order 44]]. Given that in TNO, Japan has been under decades of militarist influence, followed by the codifying of that status quo under a nominally civilian government, it'd make sense that any genuine push for democracy or liberal reform would have to be both much more gradual and consistent with Japanese nationalism in order for it to sink in among a repressed society. In that respect, a successful drive [[AllohistoricalAllusion would not be too unlike Postwar Japan in OTL]].
** Japan gradually embracing greater women's rights as part of patriotic pride (whether for [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic considerations]] or in the name of genuine equality) in the more reformist paths, despite decades of [[StayInTheKitchen enforced social policies]] makes sense given the precedent of "Taisho Democracy" and parts of Japanese culture (including Amaterasu's position as a leading deity).
** [[InSpiteOfANail The existence]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' and the Gundam franchise at large might seem rather strange, given the divergence. Until you realize that, given that the TNO version focuses on Char Aznable and the Principality of Zeon, this would make for convenient propaganda, especially in the less overtly reform-minded paths. That Char would ultimately betray the Zabis for their perversion of his father’s ideals and in pursuit of his own agenda, however, would also mean that it'd be subtly subversive as well against the regime.
* Whether Valery Sablin keeps his idealism or succumbs to brutally enforcing Bukharinist measures, he consistently sees himself [[ExactWords as keeping true to Vladimir Lenin's vision]]. The key difference being that the idealist path reflects Marxism-Leninism [[ChummyCommies as it ought to have been]] while the Authoritarian Socialist one is Lenin’s cause [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized as it actually was in practice]].

!! Fridge Horror

* Albert Speer’s successful Fascist path for Germany [[CrapsaccharineWorld might not seem overtly horrifying compared to certain other contenders]], ushering an era of prosperity and prestige that would allow the Reich to remain a global power well into the 21st Century. Then it sinks in that while the worst excesses are purged, Speer has fundamentally ''changed nothing else'', instead allowing the Nazi ideology (and its abuses) to endure in a much more subtle and insidious manner through his reforms. Even worse is that the way he achieves this ''[[AllohistoricalAllusion has already happened]]'' in the People’s Republic of China following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms. One could almost call Speer's reformed take on Nazism "Fascism with German Characteristics."
* Kishi Nobusuke taking over Japan and essentially turning it into a industrialized hellhole is bad enough, as show by his actions in [[ThePurge Order 44]]. But it gets worse when one realizes he was the man who in OTL was behind the "[[SexSlave confort women]]" in Manchukuo. Not only that, but he [[StayInTheKitchen was very sexist]] [[EveryoneHasStandards even for Imperial Japan's standards]]. Knowing all of this, it's best not to think about what is going to happen with [[NoWomansLand Japan's female population once he is in power]].
* As part of enforcing the Burgundian System, especially as practiced in Burgundy itself, throngs of educated Frenchmen and Belgians are forced into slavery to toil (and die) on behalf of their SS overlords. All the while, generations of cultural heritage, from placenames that aren't German or Aryan enough to language and social customs, are purged under Himmler's watch. Whether he dies peacefully in the 1980s, or the Ordenstaat falls apart through infighting, it's clear that the economic, cultural and human costs would be comparable to not just North Korea but also the Khmer Rouge. And unlike Cambodia, there might not even be ''enough locals left alive'' to rebuild.

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