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brilliance, like fride, shoud be used parcimoniously
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* The elephant funeral scene in "I can't wait to be Queen" is actually more true to life than some would think. Elephants do mourn their dead, so it is logical that they would hold it. And why is Simba just there? Because it [[AuthorsSavingThrow explains that if the Pridelands got better so quickly]], it was because the leader of the Elephants came back. So likely Pua from "Rise of Makuu" was also one of the leaders to help fix the Pride Lands, and many other elderly animals could have been the ones who helped fix it. It explains the ending of the first film rather well if Simba could inspire many different animals to come back to restore the Circle of Life.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of the animals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, who are usually territorial in real life, are willing to allow crocodiles in their territory to eat over populated fish. Why would the leader Hippo allow this? It's likely that he worked with the Crocodiles in fixing the Pride Lands, so this is his way to repay the crocodiles for their help.
** There is no much of a clue that Simba had a strong friendship with leaders of other species, out of diplomacy and protocol. In fact, he does not speak properly elephantese. In parallel, it is hard to define what they "rebuilt" collaboratively in the context of a natural landscape, according to whether they put an extra effort for it or just let things go naturally back to normal after Scar's fall. Admittedly, you can imagine Simba had a very hard time to convince animals to come back to the Pride Lands, and probably needed to appear very sympathetic and conciliatory when setting the "taxes" during the transition period.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of the animals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, who are usually territorial in real life, are willing to allow crocodiles in their territory to eat over populated fish. Why would the leader Hippo allow this? It's likely that he worked with the Crocodiles in fixing the Pride Lands, so this is his way to repay the crocodiles for their help.
** There is no much of a clue that Simba had a strong friendship with leaders of other species, out of diplomacy and protocol. In fact, he does not speak properly elephantese. In parallel, it is hard to define what they "rebuilt" collaboratively in the context of a natural landscape, according to whether they put an extra effort for it or just let things go naturally back to normal after Scar's fall. Admittedly, you can imagine Simba had a very hard time to convince animals to come back to the Pride Lands, and probably needed to appear very sympathetic and conciliatory when setting the "taxes" during the transition period.
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* The fact that the Guard under Scar's command was destroyed means that the Pridelands were practically defenseless for quite some time. Were it not for Scar murdering his Lion Guard, they could have very well prevented Mufasa's death, Simba's exile and Scar's acension to power in the original movie.
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* The elephant funeral scene in "I can't wait to be Queen" is actually more true to life than some would think. Elephants do mourn their dead, so it is logical that they would hold it. And why is Simba just there? Because it [[AuthorsSavingThrow explains that if the Pridelands got better so quickly]], it was because the leader of the Elephants came back. So likely Pua from "Rise of Makuu" was also one of the leaders to help fix the Pride Lands, and many other elderly animals could have been the ones who helped fix it. It explains the ending of the first film rather well if Simba could inspire many different animals to come back to restore the Circle of Life.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of the animals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, who are usually territorial in real life, are willing to allow crocodiles in their territory to eat over populated fish. Why would the leader Hippo allow this? It's likely that he worked with the Crocodiles in fixing the Pride Lands, so this is his way to repay the crocodiles for their help.
** There is no much of a clue that Simba had a strong friendship with leaders of other species, out of diplomacy and protocol. In fact, he does not speak properly elephantese. In parallel, it is hard to define what they "rebuilt" collaboratively in the context of a natural landscape, according to whether they put an extra effort for it or just let things go naturally back to normal after Scar's fall. Admittedly, you can imagine Simba had a very hard time to convince animals to come back to the Pride Lands, and probably needed to appear very sympathetic and conciliatory when setting the "taxes" during the transition period.
* The fact that the Guard under Scar's command was destroyed (and Scar himself stripped of powers) means that the Pridelands were practically defenseless for quite some time. The beginning of the first film fits into a context where Mufasa is alone to defend the country and has to face an increased harassment from the neighbouring hyenas' land that takes all his attention; what didn't allow him to find out Scar's plot in time. Maybe could they have prevented Mufasa's death, Simba's exile and Scar's acension to power in the original movie if it weren't for they were dead.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of the animals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, who are usually territorial in real life, are willing to allow crocodiles in their territory to eat over populated fish. Why would the leader Hippo allow this? It's likely that he worked with the Crocodiles in fixing the Pride Lands, so this is his way to repay the crocodiles for their help.
** There is no much of a clue that Simba had a strong friendship with leaders of other species, out of diplomacy and protocol. In fact, he does not speak properly elephantese. In parallel, it is hard to define what they "rebuilt" collaboratively in the context of a natural landscape, according to whether they put an extra effort for it or just let things go naturally back to normal after Scar's fall. Admittedly, you can imagine Simba had a very hard time to convince animals to come back to the Pride Lands, and probably needed to appear very sympathetic and conciliatory when setting the "taxes" during the transition period.
* The fact that the Guard under Scar's command was destroyed (and Scar himself stripped of powers) means that the Pridelands were practically defenseless for quite some time. The beginning of the first film fits into a context where Mufasa is alone to defend the country and has to face an increased harassment from the neighbouring hyenas' land that takes all his attention; what didn't allow him to find out Scar's plot in time. Maybe could they have prevented Mufasa's death, Simba's exile and Scar's acension to power in the original movie if it weren't for they were dead.
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* Scar killing the other four in the Lion Guard that he was the head of. Not only is this a dark backstory for a show made for young children, but it shows hwo far Scar has gone to get the throne; not only killing his brother and attempting to kill his nephew, not only having a lioness manipulate a young cub to become his successor...but he also killed the four lions who helped him to protect the Pridelands originally. What had turned Scar into the villain that he is now, as he was once tasked with protecting the Pride Lands.
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* Scar killing the other four in the Lion Guard that he was the head of. Not only is this a dark backstory for a show made for young children, but it shows hwo how far Scar has gone to get the throne; not only killing his brother and attempting to kill his nephew, not only having a lioness manipulate a young cub to become his successor...but he also killed the four lions who helped him to protect the Pridelands originally. What had turned Scar into the villain that he is now, as he was once tasked with protecting the Pride Lands.
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* The fact that the Guard under Scar's command was destroyed means that the Pridelands were practically defenseless for quite some time. Were it not for Scar murdering his Lion Guard, they could have very well prevented Mufasa's death, Simba's exile and Scar's acension to power in the original movie.
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** There's a certain logic to this. A magical roar that summons the dead is considerably more awe-inspiring than "was born first."
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* Why don't Ushari and Bunga get along? Because snakes and honey badgers are [[TruthInTelevision are natural enemies.]]
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* Why don't Ushari and Bunga get along? Because snakes and honey badgers are [[TruthInTelevision badgers[[TruthInTelevision are natural enemies.]]
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** Janja and his clan aren't the brightest bulbs in the box.
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* Why don't Ushari and Bunga get along? Because snakes and honey badgers are [[TruthInTelevision are natural enemies.]]
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* The elephant funeral scene in "I can't wait to be Queen" is actually more true to life than some would think. Elephants do mourn their dead, so it is logical that they would hold it. And why is Simba just there? Because it [[AuthorsSavingThrow explains why the Pridelands got better so quickly]], it was because the leader of the Elephants came back. So likely Pua from "Rise of Makuu" was also one of the leaders to help fix the Pride Lands, and many other elderly animals could have been the ones who helped fix it. It explains the ending of the first film rather well if Simba could inspire many different animals to come back to restore the Circle of Life.
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* The elephant funeral scene in "I can't wait to be Queen" is actually more true to life than some would think. Elephants do mourn their dead, so it is logical that they would hold it. And why is Simba just there? Because it [[AuthorsSavingThrow explains why that if the Pridelands got better so quickly]], it was because the leader of the Elephants came back. So likely Pua from "Rise of Makuu" was also one of the leaders to help fix the Pride Lands, and many other elderly animals could have been the ones who helped fix it. It explains the ending of the first film rather well if Simba could inspire many different animals to come back to restore the Circle of Life.
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** There is no much of a clue that Simba had a strong friendship with leaders of other species, out of diplomacy and protocol. In fact, he does not speak properly elephantese. In parallel, it is hard to define what they "rebuilt" collaboratively in the context of a natural landscape, according to whether they put an extra effort for it or just let things go naturally back to normal after Scar's fall. Admittedly, you can imagine Simba had a very hard time to convince animals to come back to the Pride Lands, and probably needed to appear very sympathetic and conciliatory when setting the "taxes" during the transition period.
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* Scar killing the other four in the Lion Guard that he was the head of. Not only is this a dark backstory for a show made for young children, but it shows hwo far Scar has gone to get the throne; not only killing his brother and attempting to kill his nephew, not only having a lioness manipulate young cubs to become his successor...but he also killed the four lions who helped him protect the Pridelands originally. What had turned Scar into the villain that he is now, as he was once tasked with protecting the Pride Lands.
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* Scar killing the other four in the Lion Guard that he was the head of. Not only is this a dark backstory for a show made for young children, but it shows hwo far Scar has gone to get the throne; not only killing his brother and attempting to kill his nephew, not only having a lioness manipulate a young cubs cub to become his successor...but he also killed the four lions who helped him to protect the Pridelands originally. What had turned Scar into the villain that he is now, as he was once tasked with protecting the Pride Lands.
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* Since the cubs of the show are the next generation after Scar's reign, you can tell that many adults must be survivors of the DarkAges of the Pride Lands (save possible newcomers of other Lands). Imagine the heavy background they may have: the terrible ordeals they went through, countless relatives who died, their escape to foreign countries, roving while waiting for better times, until Scar died and they could go back to home and rebuild their lives.
** Conversely, the former inhabitants may have all died, and the current herds would all be immigrants from other countries. The series does not give indications about the proportion of one and the other, but on the whole, nobody looks shell-shocked.
* Since the cubs of the show are the next generation after Scar's reign, you can tell that many adults must be survivors of the DarkAges of the Pride Lands (save possible newcomers of other Lands). Imagine the heavy background they may have: the terrible ordeals they went through, countless relatives who died, their escape to foreign countries, roving while waiting for better times, until Scar died and they could go back to home and rebuild their lives.
** Conversely, the former inhabitants may have all died, and the current herds would all be immigrants from other countries. The series does not give indications about the proportion of one and the other, but on the whole, nobody looks shell-shocked.
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* The elephant funeral scene in "I can't wait to be Queen" is actually more true to life than some would think. Elephants do mourn their dead, so it is logical tha they would hold it. And why is Simba just there? Because it [[AuthorsSavingThrow explains why the Pridelands got better so quickly]], it was because the leader of the Elephants came back. So likely Pua from "Rise of Makuu" was also one of the leaders to help fix the Pride Lands, and many other elderly animals could have been the ones who helped fix it. It explains the ending of the first film rather well if Simba could inspire many different animals to come back to restore the Circle of Life.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of the animals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, who are usually Territorial in real life, are willing to allow crocodiles in their territory to eat over populated fish. Why would the leader Hippo allow this? It's likely that he worked with the Crocodiles in fixing the Pride Lands, so this is his way to repay the crocodiles for their help.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of the animals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, who are usually Territorial in real life, are willing to allow crocodiles in their territory to eat over populated fish. Why would the leader Hippo allow this? It's likely that he worked with the Crocodiles in fixing the Pride Lands, so this is his way to repay the crocodiles for their help.
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* The elephant funeral scene in "I can't wait to be Queen" is actually more true to life than some would think. Elephants do mourn their dead, so it is logical tha that they would hold it. And why is Simba just there? Because it [[AuthorsSavingThrow explains why the Pridelands got better so quickly]], it was because the leader of the Elephants came back. So likely Pua from "Rise of Makuu" was also one of the leaders to help fix the Pride Lands, and many other elderly animals could have been the ones who helped fix it. It explains the ending of the first film rather well if Simba could inspire many different animals to come back to restore the Circle of Life.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of the animals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, who are usuallyTerritorial territorial in real life, are willing to allow crocodiles in their territory to eat over populated fish. Why would the leader Hippo allow this? It's likely that he worked with the Crocodiles in fixing the Pride Lands, so this is his way to repay the crocodiles for their help.
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* The fact Scar was said to have the "Roar of the Elders" may explain why Zira and her lionesses were so fanatically loyal to Scar, even after his death, in the first place: having the "Roar of the Elders" would give him a mark of respect, and Zira may have believed that it meant he deserved to be king more than Mufasa.
** Note that it would be a big misinterpretation of the Roar of the Elders on her part. Scar was the custodian of this power ''because'' he was the youngest of the royal siblings. It means that per se, he had this mark of respect because he only played the supporting role in the kingdom (like a consolation prize), so it is far-stretched to pretend it would be a valid argument in Zira's view without outing the joker of her madness. It is right that the series does not mention if the youngest keeps his powers in the case he inherits ''legally'' the crown.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of the animals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, who are usually
* The fact Scar was said to have the "Roar of the Elders" may explain why Zira and her lionesses were so fanatically loyal to Scar, even after his death, in the first place: having the "Roar of the Elders" would give him a mark of respect, and Zira may have believed that it meant he deserved to be king more than Mufasa.
** Note that it would be a big misinterpretation of the Roar of the Elders on her part. Scar was the custodian of this power ''because'' he was the youngest of the royal siblings. It means that per se, he had this mark of respect because he only played the supporting role in the kingdom (like a consolation prize), so it is far-stretched to pretend it would be a valid argument in Zira's view without outing the joker of her madness. It is right that the series does not mention if the youngest keeps his powers in the case he inherits ''legally'' the crown.
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* The fact Scar was said to have the "Roar of the Elders" may explain why Zira and her lionesses were so fanatically loyal to Scar, even after his death, in the first place: having the "Roar of the Elders" would give him a mark of respect, and Zira may have believed that it meant he deserved to be king more than Mufasa.
** Note that it would be a big misinterpretation of the Roar of the Elders on her part. Scar was the custodian of this power ''because'' he was the youngest of the royal siblings. It means that per se, he had this mark of respect because he only played the supporting role in the kingdom (like a consolation prize), so it is far-stretched to pretend it would be a valid argument in Zira's view without outing the joker of her madness. It is right that the series does not mention if the youngest keeps his powers in the case he inherits ''legally'' the crown.
** Note that it would be a big misinterpretation of the Roar of the Elders on her part. Scar was the custodian of this power ''because'' he was the youngest of the royal siblings. It means that per se, he had this mark of respect because he only played the supporting role in the kingdom (like a consolation prize), so it is far-stretched to pretend it would be a valid argument in Zira's view without outing the joker of her madness. It is right that the series does not mention if the youngest keeps his powers in the case he inherits ''legally'' the crown.
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* The elephant funeral scene in "I can't wait to be Queen" is actually more true to life than some would think. Elephants do mourn their dead, so it is logical tha they would hold it. And why is Simba just there? Because it [[AuthorSavingThrow explains why the Pridelands got better so quickly]], it was because the leader of the Elephants came back. So likely Pua from "Rise of Makuu" was also one of the leaders to help fix the Pride Lands, and many other elderly animals could have been the ones who helped fix it. It explains the ending of the first film rather well if Simba could inspire many different animals to come back to restore the Circle of Life.
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* The elephant funeral scene in "I can't wait to be Queen" is actually more true to life than some would think. Elephants do mourn their dead, so it is logical tha they would hold it. And why is Simba just there? Because it [[AuthorSavingThrow [[AuthorsSavingThrow explains why the Pridelands got better so quickly]], it was because the leader of the Elephants came back. So likely Pua from "Rise of Makuu" was also one of the leaders to help fix the Pride Lands, and many other elderly animals could have been the ones who helped fix it. It explains the ending of the first film rather well if Simba could inspire many different animals to come back to restore the Circle of Life.
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* The death of every lion males by the paw of Scar is an elegant way to explain the absence of any beta male in the previous films, rather than just saying they're off-screen, while getting over all the incestual implications of having only two brother males in the Pride. It also explains why Simba could not find a suitor for Kiara even in her teenage years, before Kovu appeared.
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* The death of every lion males by the paw of Scar is an elegant way to explain the absence of any beta male in the previous films, rather than just saying they're off-screen, while getting over all the incestual incest implications of having only two brother males in the Pride. It also explains why Simba could not find a suitor for Kiara even in her teenage years, before Kovu appeared.
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* The funeral scene in "I can't wait to be Queen" is actually more true to life than some would think. Elephants do mourn their dead, so it is logical tha they would hold it. And why is SImba there? Because it [[AuthorSavingThrow Explains why the Pridelands got better so quickly]], it was because the leader of the Elephants came back. So likely Pua from "Rise of Makuu" was also one of the leaders to help fix the Pride Lands, and many other elderly animals could have been the ones who helped fix it. It explains the ending of the first film rather well if Simba could inspire many different animals to come back to restore the CIrcle of Life.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of the aimals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, wo are usually Territorial in real life, are willing to allow crocodiles in their territoy to eat over populated fish. Why would the leader Hippo allow this? It's likely that he worked with the Crocodiles in fixnig the Pride Lands, so this is his way to repay the crocs for their help.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of the aimals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, wo are usually Territorial in real life, are willing to allow crocodiles in their territoy to eat over populated fish. Why would the leader Hippo allow this? It's likely that he worked with the Crocodiles in fixnig the Pride Lands, so this is his way to repay the crocs for their help.
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* The elephant funeral scene in "I can't wait to be Queen" is actually more true to life than some would think. Elephants do mourn their dead, so it is logical tha they would hold it. And why is SImba Simba just there? Because it [[AuthorSavingThrow Explains explains why the Pridelands got better so quickly]], it was because the leader of the Elephants came back. So likely Pua from "Rise of Makuu" was also one of the leaders to help fix the Pride Lands, and many other elderly animals could have been the ones who helped fix it. It explains the ending of the first film rather well if Simba could inspire many different animals to come back to restore the CIrcle Circle of Life.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of theaimals animals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, wo who are usually Territorial in real life, are willing to allow crocodiles in their territoy territory to eat over populated fish. Why would the leader Hippo allow this? It's likely that he worked with the Crocodiles in fixnig fixing the Pride Lands, so this is his way to repay the crocs crocodiles for their help.
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* Scar killing the other four in the Lion Guard that he was the head of. Not only is this a dark backstory for a show made for young children, but it shows hwo far Scar has gone to get the throne; not only killing his brother and attemtping attempting to kill his nephew, not only having a lioness manipulate young cubs to become his successor...but he also killed the four lions who helped him protect the Pridelands originally. What had turned Scar into the villain that he is now, as he was once tasked with protecting the Pride Lands.
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** Given how the hyenas are practically starving, who could blame them for attacking earlier than planned.
** If you are a primarily nocturnal species, maybe the definitions of day and night are reversed.
** If you are a primarily nocturnal species, maybe the definitions of day and night are reversed.
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** Given how the hyenas are practically starving, who could blame them for attacking earlier than planned.
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** If you are a primarily nocturnal species, maybe the definitions of day and night are also reversed.
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* Scar killing the other four in the Lion Guard that he was the head of. Not only is this a dark backstory for a show made for young children, but it shows hwo far Scar has gone to get the throne; not only killing his brother and attemtping to kill his nephew, not only having a lioness manipulate young cubs to become his successor...but he also killed the four lions who helped him protect the Pridelands originally. What had turned Scar into the villain that he is now, as he was once tasked with protecting the Pride Lands.
* Scar killing the other four in the Lion Guard that he was the head of. Not only is this a dark backstory for a show made for young children, but it shows hwo far Scar has gone to get the throne; not only killing his brother and attemtping to kill his nephew, not only having a lioness manipulate young cubs to become his successor...but he also killed the four lions who helped him protect the Pridelands originally. What had turned Scar into the villain that he is now, as he was once tasked with protecting the Pride Lands.
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* According to Jasiri, most hyenas are actually good. Taking this into consideration, maybe the only reason the hyenas in the film joined Scar was truely because he promised they would "never go hungry again". They just drank in his every word without thinking further. Note that it would simply turn them more stupid than evil, and admit it, incredibly environmentally irresponsible... just like an other [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters notorious species ]].
* The funeral scene in "I can't wait to be Queen" is actually more true to life than some would think. Elephants do mourn their dead, so it is logical tha they would hold it. And why is SImba there? Because it [[AuthorSavingThrow Explains why the Pridelands got better so quickly]], it was because the leader of the Elephants came back. So likely Pua from "Rise of Makuu" was also one of the leaders to help fix the Pride Lands, and many other elderly animals could have been the ones who helped fix it. It explains the ending of the first film rather well if Simba could inspire many different animals to come back to restore the CIrcle of Life.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of the aimals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, wo are usually Territorial in real life, are willing to allow crocodiles in their territoy to eat over populated fish. Why would the leader Hippo allow this? It's likely that he worked with the Crocodiles in fixnig the Pride Lands, so this is his way to repay the crocs for their help.
* The funeral scene in "I can't wait to be Queen" is actually more true to life than some would think. Elephants do mourn their dead, so it is logical tha they would hold it. And why is SImba there? Because it [[AuthorSavingThrow Explains why the Pridelands got better so quickly]], it was because the leader of the Elephants came back. So likely Pua from "Rise of Makuu" was also one of the leaders to help fix the Pride Lands, and many other elderly animals could have been the ones who helped fix it. It explains the ending of the first film rather well if Simba could inspire many different animals to come back to restore the CIrcle of Life.
** It could also explain the team work mindset of many of the aimals in "Rise of Makuu"; the Hippos, wo are usually Territorial in real life, are willing to allow crocodiles in their territoy to eat over populated fish. Why would the leader Hippo allow this? It's likely that he worked with the Crocodiles in fixnig the Pride Lands, so this is his way to repay the crocs for their help.
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* According to Jasiri, most hyenas are actually good. Taking this into consideration, maybe the only reason the hyenas in the film joined Scar was truely because he promised they would "never go hungry again". They just drank in his every word without thinking further. Note that it would simply turn them more stupid than evil, and admit it, incredibly environmentally irresponsible... just like an other [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters notorious species ]].
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** Note that it would be a big misinterpretation of the Roar of the Elders on her part. Scar was the custodian of this power ''because'' he was the youngest of the royal siblings. It means that per se, he had this mark of respect because he played the supporting role in the kingdom (like a consolation prize), so it is far-stretched to pretend it would be a valid argument in her view without outing the joker of her madness. It is right that the series does not mention if the youngest will keep his powers in the case he inherits ''legally'' the crown.
* According to Jasiri, most hyenas are actually good. Taking this into consideration, maybe the only reason the hyenas in the film joined Scar was because he were promised they'd "never go hungry again".
* According to Jasiri, most hyenas are actually good. Taking this into consideration, maybe the only reason the hyenas in the film joined Scar was because he were promised they'd "never go hungry again".
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** Note that it would be a big misinterpretation of the Roar of the Elders on her part. Scar was the custodian of this power ''because'' he was the youngest of the royal siblings. It means that per se, he had this mark of respect because he only played the supporting role in the kingdom (like a consolation prize), so it is far-stretched to pretend it would be a valid argument in her Zira's view without outing the joker of her madness. It is right that the series does not mention if the youngest will keep keeps his powers in the case he inherits ''legally'' the crown.
* According to Jasiri, most hyenas are actually good. Taking this into consideration, maybe the only reason the hyenas in the film joined Scar was truely because hewere promised they'd they would "never go hungry again". They just drank in his every word without thinking further. Note that it would simply turn them more stupid than evil, and admit it, incredibly environmentally irresponsible... just like an other [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters notorious species ]].
* According to Jasiri, most hyenas are actually good. Taking this into consideration, maybe the only reason the hyenas in the film joined Scar was truely because he
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* The fact Scar was said to have the "Roar of the Elders" may explain why Zira and the lionesses loyal to her were so fanatically loyal to Scar in the first place: having the "Roar of the Elders" would give him a mark of respect, and Zira may have believed that it meant he was most deserving to be king.
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* The fact Scar was said to have the "Roar of the Elders" may explain why Zira and her lionesses were so fanatically loyal to Scar, even after his death, in the first place: having the "Roar of the Elders" would give him a mark of respect, and Zira may have believed that it meant he deserved to be king more than Mufasa.
** Note that it would be a big misinterpretation of the Roar of the Elders on her part. Scar was the custodian of this power ''because'' he was the youngest of the royal siblings. It means that per se, he had this mark of respect because he played the supporting role in the kingdom (like a consolation prize), so it is far-stretched to pretend it would be a valid argument in her view without outing the joker of her madness. It is right that the series does not mention if the youngest will keep his powers in the case he inherits ''legally'' the crown.
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* The death of every lion males by the paw of Scar is an elegant way to explain the absence of any beta male in the previous films, rather than just saying they're off-screen, while getting over all the incestual implications to have only two brother males in the Pride. It also explains why Simba could not find a suitor for Kiara even in her teenage, before Kovu appeared.
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* The death of every lion males by the paw of Scar is an elegant way to explain the absence of any beta male in the previous films, rather than just saying they're off-screen, while getting over all the incestual implications to have of having only two brother males in the Pride. It also explains why Simba could not find a suitor for Kiara even in her teenage, teenage years, before Kovu appeared.
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The death of every lion males by the paw of Scar is an elegant way to explain the absence of any beta male in the previous films, rather than just saying they're off-screen, while getting over all the incestual implications to have only two brother males in the Pride. It also explains why Simba could not find a suitor for Kiara even in her teenage, before Kovu appeared.
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* The death of every lion males by the paw of Scar is an elegant way to explain the absence of any beta male in the previous films, rather than just saying they're off-screen, while getting over all the incestual implications to have only two brother males in the Pride. It also explains why Simba could not find a suitor for Kiara even in her teenage, before Kovu appeared.
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* The fact Scar was said to have the "Roar of the Elders" may explain why Zira and the lionesses loyal to her were so fanatically loyal to Scar in the first place: having the "Roar of the Elders" would give him a mark of respect, and Zira may have believed that it meant he was most deserving to be king.
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** If you are a primarily nocturnal specie, maybe the definitions of day and night are reversed.
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** If you are a primarily nocturnal specie, species, maybe the definitions of day and night are reversed.
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I replace the part about Scar escaping Justice. Beside, fridge logic is written self-explanatory, not through a debate (cf headscratchers)
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The death of every lion males by the paw of Scar is an elegant way to explain the absence of any beta male in the previous films, rather than just saying they're off-screen, while getting over all the incestual implications to have only two brother males in the Pride. It also explains why Simba could not find a suitor for Kiara even in her teenage, before Kovu appeared.
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* And why did Mufasa not exile Scar for killing the other members of the Guard?
** 1. Scar ''is'' quite the ManipulativeBastard; he could always lie about how his Guard died. 2. Mufasa does care for his brother. Even if he knew the truth, he'd put family before duty.
** 1. Scar ''is'' quite the ManipulativeBastard; he could always lie about how his Guard died. 2. Mufasa does care for his brother. Even if he knew the truth, he'd put family before duty.
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** 1. Scar ''is'' quite the ManipulativeBastard; he could always lie about how his Guard died. 2. Mufasa does care for his brother. Even if he knew the truth, he'd put family before duty.
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** 1. Scar ''is'' quite the ManipulativeBastard; he could always lie about how his Guard died. 2. Mufasa does care for his brother. Even if he knew the truth, he'd put family before duty.
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** Given how the hyenas are practically starving, who could blame them for attacking earlier than planned.
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* The hyenas' song is about attacking in the night, but they strike in the afternoon.
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**** Kion may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion is Fluffy, his presentation could be either immediately after Kiara's as a twin (what means Nala awkwardly left newborn Kion in the cave (in the care of another lioness with no doubt) just to watch the presentation of the crown princess), either months later as a separate pregnancy brother, in a not shown scene (there is even no clue that he was ever presented at all). Anyway, this remains a retroactive fan reinterpretation of the scene more precarious than for Kopa's since it inverts the order of the scenes for no other reason that to fit in. Canonically, Fluffy will stay to be Kiara.
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**** Kion may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion is Fluffy, his presentation could be either immediately after Kiara's as a twin (what means Nala awkwardly left newborn Kion in the cave (in the care of another lioness with no doubt) just to watch the presentation of the crown princess), either months later as a separate pregnancy brother, Kiara being mysteriously absent in both cases, as a not shown scene (there is even no clue that he was ever presented at all).newborn or as young cub. Anyway, this remains a retroactive fan reinterpretation of the scene more precarious than for Kopa's since it inverts the order of the scenes for no other reason that to fit in. Canonically, Fluffy will stay to be Kiara.
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* According to Simba's pride, the cub presented in the ending of the Lion King (officiously named "Fluffy" in the production, who didn't intend a sequel initially) reveals to be Kiara in Simba's Pride. And yet, almost every tie-in materials of the first film mentioned "Fluffy" as a boy, logical in the context of the scene: since the ending repeats the beginning scene with the circle of life theme, anyone would assume it is a boy like his father was in the first place. So, Kiara as a girl was a bit of a gender RetCon, and the film even gives a nod to this gender bias with Timon and Pumbaa's reaction when they learn it. However, some fans complained that the differences between this character and the one of the beginning in Simba's pride (which is supposed to be the exact same scene) are too blatant to make it the same, and still stuck with the first boy theory (in fact, every character of the previous film was redesigned because of the change of animation team, but it is more flagrant for the little cub). A first, previously common explanation was that it was actually Kopa, a spin-off character from the Children Books "The Lion King: 6 New Adventures" presented as the grown "Fluffy" of the film, and who disappeared in the events of the official sequel for a reason that some linked to the true motive of the Outlanders banishment. Alex Simmonds, creator of the character, even asserted that the 6 New Adventures were an interquel between the two films, thus making it in line with the universe continuity, but without explaining what happened to his character in this case. However, the fact the new series "The Lion Guard" stated Kion as the second prince cub made this statement wrong, thus destroying every "canon Kopa" theory. Nevertheless, the introduction of Kion as a son of Simba and Nala brings a new perspective on the debate: since they have approximately the same size and age, they are certainly from the same litter (They look like cubs aged of a few months. A lioness gestation being four months, their sibling-ship would be impossible otherwise, if we suppose the anthropomorphism is reasonable in the series and Nala is the true mother for both).
** Then, it is possible that Kion is in fact the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the design differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twin brother ("''Return of the Roar''" makes specific more than once that Kion is in fact Kiara's ''younger'' brother), but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why he would have been presented in first.
*** He may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion is Fluffy, his presentation is immediately after Kiara's.
** Then, it is possible that Kion is in fact the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the design differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twin brother ("''Return of the Roar''" makes specific more than once that Kion is in fact Kiara's ''younger'' brother), but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why he would have been presented in first.
*** He may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion is Fluffy, his presentation is immediately after Kiara's.
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* According to Simba's pride, the cub presented in the ending of the Lion King (officiously named "Fluffy" in the production, who didn't intend a sequel initially) reveals to be Kiara in Simba's Pride. And yet, almost every tie-in materials of the first film mentioned "Fluffy" as a boy, logical in the context of the scene: since the ending repeats the beginning scene with the circle of life theme, anyone would assume it is a boy like his father was in the first place. So, Kiara as a girl was a bit of a gender RetCon, and the film even gives a nod to this gender bias with Timon and Pumbaa's reaction when they learn it. However, some fans complained that the differences between this character Kiara's and the one of the beginning in Simba's pride Fluffy's presentation (which is are supposed to be the exact same scene) are too blatant to make it the same, and still stuck with the first boy theory (in fact, every character of the previous film was redesigned because of the change of animation team, but it is more flagrant for the little cub). A first, previously common explanation was that it was actually Kopa, a spin-off character from the Children Books "The Lion King: 6 New Adventures" presented as the grown "Fluffy" of the film, and who disappeared in the events of the official sequel for a reason that some linked to the true motive of the Outlanders banishment. Alex Simmonds, creator of the character, even asserted that the 6 New Adventures were an interquel between the two films, thus making it in line with the universe continuity, but without explaining what happened to his character in this case. However, the fact the new series "The Lion Guard" stated Kion as the second prince cub made this statement wrong, thus destroying every "canon Kopa" theory. Nevertheless, the introduction of Kion as a son of Simba and Nala brings a new perspective on the debate: since they have approximately the same size and age, they are certainly from the same litter (They look like cubs aged of a few months. A lioness gestation being four months, their sibling-ship would be impossible otherwise, if we suppose the anthropomorphism is reasonable in the series and Nala is the true mother for both).
** Then, it is possible that Kion isin fact indeed the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the design scenes differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twin brother ("''Return of the Roar''" makes specific more than once that Kion is in fact Kiara's ''younger'' brother), brother, but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why he Kion would have been presented in first.
first, and why he was still nowhere to be seen during Kiara's presentation.
***He "''Return of the Roar''" makes specific more than once that Kion is in fact Kiara's ''younger'' brother in a manner that suits more to a brother of a different pregnancy than a twin brother younger by ''a few minutes''. Either this is the way for characters to keep in mind the order of succession, as unfair as it is for a few minutes (which is a TruthInTelevision for twin princes), either it means Disney anthropomorphised the age/size difference like it did with Kovu and Kiara in Simba's Pride.
**** Kion may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion is Fluffy, his presentationis could be either immediately after Kiara's.Kiara's as a twin (what means Nala awkwardly left newborn Kion in the cave (in the care of another lioness with no doubt) just to watch the presentation of the crown princess), either months later as a separate pregnancy brother, in a not shown scene (there is even no clue that he was ever presented at all). Anyway, this remains a retroactive fan reinterpretation of the scene more precarious than for Kopa's since it inverts the order of the scenes for no other reason that to fit in. Canonically, Fluffy will stay to be Kiara.
** Then, it is possible that Kion is
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**** Kion may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion is Fluffy, his presentation
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* According to Simba's pride, the cub presented in the ending of the Lion King (officiously named "Fluffy" in the production, who didn't intend a sequel initially) reveals to be Kiara in Simba's Pride. And yet, almost every tie-in materials of the first film mentioned "Fluffy" as a boy, logical in the context of the scene: since the ending repeats the beginning scene with the circle of life theme, anyone would assume it is a boy like his father was in the first place. So, Kiara as a girl was a bit of a gender RetCon, and the film even gives a nod to this gender bias with Timon and Pumbaa reaction when they learn it. However, some fans complained that the differences between this character and the one of the beginning in Simba's pride (which is supposed to be the exact same scene) are too blatant to make it the same and still stuck with the first boy theory (in fact, every characters of the previous film were redesigned because of the change of animation team, but it is more flagrant for the little cub). A first previously common explanation was that it was actually Kopa, a spin-off character from the Children Books "The Lion King : 6 new adventures" presented as the grown "Fluffy" of the film, and who disappeared in the events of the official sequel for a reason that some linked to the true motive of the Outlanders banishment. Alex Simmonds, creator of the character, even asserted that the 6 new adventures were an interquel between the two films, thus making it in line with the universe continuity, but without explaining what happened to his character in this case. However, the fact the new series "The Lion Guard" stated Kion as the second prince cub made this statement wrong, thus destroying every canon Kopa theories. Nevertheless, the introduction of Kion as a son of Simba and Nala brings a new perspective on the debate: since they have approximately the same size and age, they are certainly from the same litter (They look like cubs aged of a few months. A lioness gestation being four months, their sibling-ship would be impossible otherwise, if we suppose the anthropomorphism is reasonable in the series and Nala is the true mother for both).
** Then, it is possible that Kion is in fact the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the design differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twin brother, but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why he would have been presented in first.
*** He may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion is Fluffy, his presentation is immediately after Kiara's.
** Then, it is possible that Kion is in fact the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the design differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twin brother, but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why he would have been presented in first.
*** He may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion is Fluffy, his presentation is immediately after Kiara's.
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* According to Simba's pride, the cub presented in the ending of the Lion King (officiously named "Fluffy" in the production, who didn't intend a sequel initially) reveals to be Kiara in Simba's Pride. And yet, almost every tie-in materials of the first film mentioned "Fluffy" as a boy, logical in the context of the scene: since the ending repeats the beginning scene with the circle of life theme, anyone would assume it is a boy like his father was in the first place. So, Kiara as a girl was a bit of a gender RetCon, and the film even gives a nod to this gender bias with Timon and Pumbaa Pumbaa's reaction when they learn it. However, some fans complained that the differences between this character and the one of the beginning in Simba's pride (which is supposed to be the exact same scene) are too blatant to make it the same same, and still stuck with the first boy theory (in fact, every characters character of the previous film were was redesigned because of the change of animation team, but it is more flagrant for the little cub). A first first, previously common explanation was that it was actually Kopa, a spin-off character from the Children Books "The Lion King : King: 6 new adventures" New Adventures" presented as the grown "Fluffy" of the film, and who disappeared in the events of the official sequel for a reason that some linked to the true motive of the Outlanders banishment. Alex Simmonds, creator of the character, even asserted that the 6 new adventures New Adventures were an interquel between the two films, thus making it in line with the universe continuity, but without explaining what happened to his character in this case. However, the fact the new series "The Lion Guard" stated Kion as the second prince cub made this statement wrong, thus destroying every canon Kopa theories."canon Kopa" theory. Nevertheless, the introduction of Kion as a son of Simba and Nala brings a new perspective on the debate: since they have approximately the same size and age, they are certainly from the same litter (They look like cubs aged of a few months. A lioness gestation being four months, their sibling-ship would be impossible otherwise, if we suppose the anthropomorphism is reasonable in the series and Nala is the true mother for both).
** Then, it is possible that Kion is in fact the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the design differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twinbrother, brother ("''Return of the Roar''" makes specific more than once that Kion is in fact Kiara's ''younger'' brother), but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why he would have been presented in first.
*** He may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion is Fluffy, his presentation is immediately afterKiara's.Kiara's.
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Then, it is possible that Kion is in fact the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the design differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twin brother, but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why he would have been presented in first.
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Then, it is possible that Kion is in fact the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the design differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twin brother, but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why he would have been presented in first.
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Then, it is possible that Kion is in fact the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the design differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twin brother, but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why he would have been presented in first.first.
* He may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion is Fluffy, his presentation is immediately after Kiara's.
* He may not have been presented first. Kiara's presentation takes place at sunrise, while Fluffy's takes place a bit later in the morning. If Kion is Fluffy, his presentation is immediately after Kiara's.
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Please it is just a try of fridge. If you think it doesn\'t fit in, just remove it to the WMG section. Tks
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Then, it is possible that Kion is in fact the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the design differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twin brother, but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why he would have been presented in first.
Then, it is possible that Kion is in fact the "Fluffy" of the first film, giving an in-universe explanation of the design differences and tie-in materials confusion about the gender. Kiara can still be the heir to the throne if she is born a few minutes before her twin brother, but they were both presented to the people in the same ceremony, cut in half throughout the two movies. However, that still raises the question why he would have been presented in first.