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* On a similar note, Catwoman doesn't inspire any romantic attraction from Batman, who is completely focused on Barbara. While classic Batman may show compassion to his enemies, Will!Bat doesn't have that as an AwesomeEgo JerkWithAHeartOfGold. He's withdrawing himself from everyone he cares about, including the villain he occasionally dates.
* Joker believe that [[spoiler:Batman is Bruce Wayne, when presented with the evidence, and instead assumes they're roommates]]. Because Bruce is the logical extreme of a RichIdiotWithNoDayJob, and Batman is a MemeticBadass. While Bruce spends his time holed up in his mansion, attending charity events and spitting out drinks, Batman spends his day taking down the Rogues. The difference is even more pronounced when Bruce is a philanthropist, and Batman is a JerkWithAHeartOfGold.
* Why is it important that Barbara, a BadassNormal, [[spoiler:take down Voldemort? Voldemort hates Muggles. What's more, he was taken down thanks to a brave redhead in the books who refused to let her son die during a magical home invasion. So it's fitting that the person who takes him down is a brave, intellectual redhead who makes him "disappear"]].
* [[spoiler:Why is Voldemort in the Phantom Zone? To protect him from a FateWorseThanDeath. Harry Potter knew what would be waiting for Tom Riddle when the latter would finally "die": a painful form, wanting to board a train but unable to do so as a fragment of a soul. At least in the Phantom Zone, while Voldemort is obviously bored and slighted that Harry didn't try to kill him, he would be suffering that particular fate. Harry is seen as pitying Tom Riddle while also realizing he's a threat as long as he remains in the wizarding LEGO world. It's also why Voldemort agrees with Joker's sentiment about being unappreciated by their nemeses; Harry sending him to the Phantom Zone means that he treats the latter as a common criminal, a mass murderer, rather than a magical genius who would reform the wizarding world. Voldemort as a LEGO figure was luckier than his counterpart, so he wasn't turned into whatever that thing was in King's Cross.]]
* Joker believe that [[spoiler:Batman is Bruce Wayne, when presented with the evidence, and instead assumes they're roommates]]. Because Bruce is the logical extreme of a RichIdiotWithNoDayJob, and Batman is a MemeticBadass. While Bruce spends his time holed up in his mansion, attending charity events and spitting out drinks, Batman spends his day taking down the Rogues. The difference is even more pronounced when Bruce is a philanthropist, and Batman is a JerkWithAHeartOfGold.
* Why is it important that Barbara, a BadassNormal, [[spoiler:take down Voldemort? Voldemort hates Muggles. What's more, he was taken down thanks to a brave redhead in the books who refused to let her son die during a magical home invasion. So it's fitting that the person who takes him down is a brave, intellectual redhead who makes him "disappear"]].
* [[spoiler:Why is Voldemort in the Phantom Zone? To protect him from a FateWorseThanDeath. Harry Potter knew what would be waiting for Tom Riddle when the latter would finally "die": a painful form, wanting to board a train but unable to do so as a fragment of a soul. At least in the Phantom Zone, while Voldemort is obviously bored and slighted that Harry didn't try to kill him, he would be suffering that particular fate. Harry is seen as pitying Tom Riddle while also realizing he's a threat as long as he remains in the wizarding LEGO world. It's also why Voldemort agrees with Joker's sentiment about being unappreciated by their nemeses; Harry sending him to the Phantom Zone means that he treats the latter as a common criminal, a mass murderer, rather than a magical genius who would reform the wizarding world. Voldemort as a LEGO figure was luckier than his counterpart, so he wasn't turned into whatever that thing was in King's Cross.]]
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* Childlike "Pew-pew-pews!" sometimes accompany lasers being fired, which seems to indicate that once again, there's a kid acting out a story. It would explain Batman being a MemeticBadass and the idea of a child needing a dad to look up to -- and a lot of children even in happy families often feel lonely.
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* Childlike "Pew-pew-pews!" sometimes accompany lasers being fired, which seems to indicate that [[spoiler: once again, there's a kid acting out a story. story.]] It would explain Batman being a MemeticBadass and the idea of [[spoiler: a child needing a dad to look up to -- and a lot of children even in happy families often feel lonely.]]
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* The villains that Joker recruits in the Phantom Zone are obviously not Batman or even DC villains...which makes sense considering the first LEGO Movie's plot twist of most of the story being created by a kid and it's not uncommon for kids to use toys from other franchises to interact to create all sorts of weird crossovers.
** It also makes sense for the specific villains used; almost all of them are villains from movies, meaning they can't be used in Lego movies related to their own franchises, and the Multicolored Daleks who are apparently also under copyright so they can't appear in a Lego Doctor Who movie.
*** Also, [[Film/TheLordOfTheRings many]] [[Franchise/HarryPotter of]] [[Franchise/TheMatrix those]] [[Film/{{Gremlins}} proper]][[Film/ClashOfTheTitans1981 ties]] [[Film/Godzilla2014 are]] [[Film/KongSkullIsland owned]] by Warner Bros.
*** And the most prominently used (Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Jurassic Park) are LEGO subfranchises.
** It also makes sense for the specific villains used; almost all of them are villains from movies, meaning they can't be used in Lego movies related to their own franchises, and the Multicolored Daleks who are apparently also under copyright so they can't appear in a Lego Doctor Who movie.
*** Also, [[Film/TheLordOfTheRings many]] [[Franchise/HarryPotter of]] [[Franchise/TheMatrix those]] [[Film/{{Gremlins}} proper]][[Film/ClashOfTheTitans1981 ties]] [[Film/Godzilla2014 are]] [[Film/KongSkullIsland owned]] by Warner Bros.
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* The villains that Joker recruits [[spoiler: in the Phantom Zone are obviously not Batman or even DC villains...which ]]which makes sense considering [[spoiler: the first LEGO Movie's plot twist of most of the story being created by a kid and it's not uncommon for kids to use toys from other franchises to interact to create all sorts of weird crossovers.
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** [[spoiler: It also makes sense for the specific villains used; almost all of them are villains from movies, meaning they can't be used in Lego movies related to their own franchises, and the Multicolored Daleks who are apparently also under copyright so they can't appear in a Lego Doctor Whomovie.
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*** Also,[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings [[spoiler:[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings many]] [[Franchise/HarryPotter of]] [[Franchise/TheMatrix those]] [[Film/{{Gremlins}} proper]][[Film/ClashOfTheTitans1981 ties]] [[Film/Godzilla2014 are]] [[Film/KongSkullIsland owned]] by Warner Bros.
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*** [[spoiler: And the most prominently used (Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Jurassic Park) are LEGOsubfranchises.sub franchises.]]
** [[spoiler: It also makes sense for the specific villains used; almost all of them are villains from movies, meaning they can't be used in Lego movies related to their own franchises, and the Multicolored Daleks who are apparently also under copyright so they can't appear in a Lego Doctor Who
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*** [[spoiler: And the most prominently used (Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Jurassic Park) are LEGO
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* The inclusion of King Kong and the Kraken. In a film series dedicated to a stop-motion animation aesthetic, what better choices for giant monsters in Joker's army then the most iconic characters of the great stop motion pioneers Willis O'Brien and Ray Harryhausen?
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** Worth noting he still does have a ''lot'' of obscure characters he's using, up to and including '''condiment king.''' (Granted, IIRC condiment king came from TAS, so he might've watched that growing up, but still...) Though he likely got some of the more obscure picks from other sources too. (Notably, Harley dresses in a nurse outfit somewhat similar to her appearance in Asylum briefly, which has a lot of collectible files on various Batman villains, combined with TAS he should be able to get a working knowledge on a good percentage of villains featured, and winged it with others like egghead.)
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* Why is Harley's and the Joker's relationship not an abusive one as per the norm but a healthy one? If this is a kid playing with their toys, they probably wouldn't understand abuse, how their relationship really is like, or maybe just came up with something nicer for the two.
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* The way that [[Spoiler:Batman building a "rope" with "Gotham Family" to bring Gotham back together again seemed to come out of nowhere until you go back the first battle where Batman used a "rope" (more like a missile) made of Crazy Quilt, Mime, and Calendar Man to take out Scarecrow's helicopter.]]
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* The way that [[Spoiler:Batman [[spoiler:Batman building a "rope" with "Gotham Family" to bring Gotham back together again seemed to come out of nowhere until you go back the first battle where Batman used a "rope" (more like a missile) made of Crazy Quilt, Mime, and Calendar Man to take out Scarecrow's helicopter.]]
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* The way that [[labelnote:Spoiler--Click to see spoiler]]Batman [[Spoiler:Batman building a "rope" with "Gotham Family" to bring Gotham back together again seemed to come out of nowhere until you go back the first battle where Batman used a "rope" (more like a missile) made of Crazy Quilt, Mime, and Calendar Man to take out Scarecrow's helicopter.[[/labelnote]]
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* Why did Batman not know it was Harley Quinn in disguise when she stops by with Phantom's own laundry when he's the worlds greatest detective? Well not only is this Batman more muscle than mind, but Barbra Gordon states that he's never Captured any criminals, only stopped their plans. This means that none of them have actually gone into police custody and been unmasked. No one knows who Harley Quinn is, not even Batman.
* Batman's constant refusal to accept that he needs help and that he can take on anything by himself makes sense considering the fight at the beginning of the movie. Despite being vastly outnumbered Batman utterly [[CurbstompBattle curbstomps]] his entire Rogue's Gallery in a couple minutes all to a music number, so he has good reason to think that. Additionally, Batman gets his butt kicked fighting alone against all the Phantom Zone villains because they ''aren't his villains.'' In the opening Batman has had years of experience fighting each of his Rogue's Gallery and thus knew exactly how to deal with them, but when he's up against enemies he's never seen before he's caught completely flatfooted.
* Batman's constant refusal to accept that he needs help and that he can take on anything by himself makes sense considering the fight at the beginning of the movie. Despite being vastly outnumbered Batman utterly [[CurbstompBattle curbstomps]] his entire Rogue's Gallery in a couple minutes all to a music number, so he has good reason to think that. Additionally, Batman gets his butt kicked fighting alone against all the Phantom Zone villains because they ''aren't his villains.'' In the opening Batman has had years of experience fighting each of his Rogue's Gallery and thus knew exactly how to deal with them, but when he's up against enemies he's never seen before he's caught completely flatfooted.
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** Also note that Batman doesn't have his [[InsistentTerminology armoured face disguise]] removed when he gets captured, and indeed the rest of the rogues are also in full outfit when they get in trouble.
* Batman's constant refusal to accept that he needs help and that he can take on anything by himself makes sense considering the fight at the beginning of the movie. Despite being vastly outnumbered Batman utterly [[CurbstompBattle curbstomps]] his entire Rogue's Gallery in a couple minutes all to a music number, so he has good reason to think that. Additionally, Batman gets his butt kicked fighting alone against all the Phantom Zone villains because they ''aren't his villains.'' In the opening Batman has had years of experience fighting each of his Rogue's Gallery and thus knew exactly how to deal with them, but when he's up against enemies he's never seen before he's caught completelyflatfooted.
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* When Batman-disguised-as-Mayor asks Joker if he gambles, his response is a joyful "Yes", but when asked if he plays roulette, it's a less-enthusiastic "On occasion." The Joker takes his name from a playing card; he's probably got more experience with card games like poker and blackjack. Beginners at a given game, or even those who take multiple losses, will take any advice they can get, hence his being "all ears" when he's offered advice.
** Also note that Batman doesn't have his [[InsistentTerminology armoured face disguise]] removed when he gets captured, and indeed the rest of the rogues are also in full outfit when they get in trouble.
* Batman's constant refusal to accept that he needs help and that he can take on anything by himself makes sense considering the fight at the beginning of the movie. Despite being vastly outnumbered Batman utterly [[CurbstompBattle curbstomps]] his entire Rogue's Gallery in a couple minutes all to a music number, so he has good reason to think that. Additionally, Batman gets his butt kicked fighting alone against all the Phantom Zone villains because they ''aren't his villains.'' In the opening Batman has had years of experience fighting each of his Rogue's Gallery and thus knew exactly how to deal with them, but when he's up against enemies he's never seen before he's caught completely
* When Batman-disguised-as-Mayor asks Joker if he gambles, his response is a joyful "Yes", but when asked if he plays roulette, it's a less-enthusiastic "On occasion." The Joker takes his name from a playing card; he's probably got more experience with card games like poker and blackjack. Beginners at a given game, or even those who take multiple losses, will take any advice they can get, hence his being "all ears" when he's offered advice.
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* Batman's constant refusal to accept that he needs help and that he can take on anything by himself makes sense considering the fight at the beginning of the movie. Despite being vastly outnumbered Batman utterly [[CurbstompBattle curbstomps]] his entire Rogue's Gallery in a couple minutes all to a music number, so he has good reason to think that. Additionally, Batman gets his butt kicked fighting alone against all the Phantom Zone villains because they ''aren't his villains.'' In the opening Batman has had years of experience fighting each of his Rogue's Gallery and thus knew exactly how to deal with them, but when he's up against enemies he's never seen before he's caught completely flatfooted.
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* Why did Batman not know it was Harley Quinn in disguise when she stops by with Phantom's own laundry when he's the worlds greatest detective? Well not only is this Batman more muscle than mind, but Barbra Gordon states that he's never Captured any criminals, only stopped their plans. This means that none of them have actually gone into police custody and been unmasked. No one knows who Harley Quinn is, not even Batman.
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** Worth noting he still does have a ''lot'' of obscure characters he's using, up to and including '''condiment king.''' (Granted, IIRC condiment king came from TAS, so he might've watched that growing up, but still...) Though he likely got some of the more obscure picks from other sources too. (Notably, Harley dress in a nurse outfit somewhat similar to her appearance in Asylum, which has a lot of collectible files on various Batman villains.)
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** Worth noting he still does have a ''lot'' of obscure characters he's using, up to and including '''condiment king.''' (Granted, IIRC condiment king came from TAS, so he might've watched that growing up, but still...) Though he likely got some of the more obscure picks from other sources too. (Notably, Harley dress dresses in a nurse outfit somewhat similar to her appearance in Asylum, Asylum briefly, which has a lot of collectible files on various Batman villains.villains, combined with TAS he should be able to get a working knowledge on a good percentage of villains featured, and winged it with others like egghead.)
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** Worth noting he still does have a lot of obscure ''lot'' of obscure characters he's using, up to and including '''condiment king.''' (Granted, IIRC condiment king came from TAS, so he might've watched that growing up, but still...) Though he likely got some of the more obscure picks from other sources too. (Notably, Harley dress in a nurse outfit somewhat similar to her appearance in Asylum, which has a lot of collectible files on various Batman villains.)
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** Worth noting he still does have a lot of obscure ''lot'' of obscure characters he's using, up to and including '''condiment king.''' (Granted, IIRC condiment king came from TAS, so he might've watched that growing up, but still...) Though he likely got some of the more obscure picks from other sources too. (Notably, Harley dress in a nurse outfit somewhat similar to her appearance in Asylum, which has a lot of collectible files on various Batman villains.)
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** Worth noting he still does have a lot of obscure ''lot'' of obscure characters he's using, up to and including '''condiment king.''' (Granted, IIRC condiment king came from TAS, so he might've watched that growing up, but still...) Though he likely got some of the more obscure picks from other sources too. (Notably, Harley dress in a nurse outfit somewhat similar to her appearance in Asylum, which has a lot of collectible files on various Batman villains.)
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* A majority of the [[MythologyGag Mythology Gags]] are from the movies and the Phantom Zone villains are all from famous films instead of being [=DC=] supervillains. Given that this is all being acted out by a 9-year-old who probably doesn't have access to many comics, films are pretty much the only source of reference.
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* Why does this version of Clayface sound like [[Creator/KateMicucci a little girl?]] [[spoiler:Finn probably got some input from his little sister, which also explains why Clayface is the only brick-build character not resembling an enlarged minifig.]]
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** Also, if this movie also takes place in Finn's imagination, then it makes even more sense - when kids play with toys, they just want to put them on random adventures. They don't really care about things like continuity. They just want to have fun. However, the fact that Batman has basically the same personality as in last movie reinforces it - they can send their characters on whatever adventures they want, but sometimes, certain personalities they gave to their toys earlier stick to them.
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* It's been noted that the Daleks tend to get beaten up very easily by our heroes whenever they appear. They also seem to be based on the brightly-coloured remodelled "New Paradigm" versions which were notably unpopular with the fan-base. A subtle TakeThat, perhaps.
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** [[spoiler: In Barbara's case, though, the villains would already be gunning for her anyway seeing as she's already the police commissioner. Besides which, these seem to be Batman's Rogues Gallery in their more AffablyEvil HarmlessVillain depictions.]]
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* One line in Batman's song references turing Two-Face into "Black and Blue-Face". Not only is this a reference to bruises, but Two-Face actually has been depicted as [[Film/{{Batman}} black]] and [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries blue]] in previous incarnations, one of which being this very movie.
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* At the end of the movie, [[spoiler: Batman reveals his secret identity to Robin and Barbara...Right in front of the other villains. For all we know, at least one of the villains saw Bruce without his mask. Plus, Barbara didn't have her mask on during that scene, so she could be in trouble too!]]
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* [[spoiler: We see Sauron get destroyed in Gotham, but we never see his remains get sent back to the Phantom Zone. Given that Sauron is a god who'll resurrect continuously so long as the One Ring exists, that means he could potentially come back.]]
* [[spoiler: We see Sauron get destroyed in Gotham, but we never see his remains get sent back to the Phantom Zone. Given that Sauron is a god who'll resurrect continuously so long as the One Ring exists, that means he could potentially come back.]]
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* If the movie [[Main/{{Canon Welding}} tries to take place in a continuity where all the live-action adaptations were canon]], what happened to [[Series/{{Batman}} both of]] [[Film/{{Batman Forever}} the previous]] [[Film/{{Batman and Robin}} Dick Graysons]]?
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* Batman not wanting to allow people in doesn't make sense if you put ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'' before this chronologically, since Batman was in a romantic relationship with Wyldstyle. That is, until you remember that [[spoiler: he and Lucy broke up at the end of the movie so she could be with Emmett]], which might have reinforced his issues with letting people in because he is afraid of getting hurt again, leading to his isolation in this movie. He basically has post-break-up depression on top of all of his issues.
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** [[spoiler: The Joker. DC revealed that there are actually '''three''' different Jokers running around for their Rebirth initiative, and all versions of the Batman franchise are considered canon in this universe.]]
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* Why did the film use Alex Aiono's cover of "Man In The Mirror" rather than the original Michael Jackson version? [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial Because Michael Jackson didn't say that, Batman did]].
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** It also makes sense for the specific villains used, almost all of them are villains from movies meaning they can't be used in lego movies related to their own franchises, and the Multicolored Daleks who are apparently also under copyright so they can't appear in a lego doctor who movie
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