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* Watching some of the LetsPlay/HellfireCommentaries playthroughs of some of the Sonic games, they expressed the view that Shadow being created by the Black Arms (and thus making him a [[HalfHumanHybrid Half-Hedgehog Hybrid]]) was really stupid and not needed... but at the same time, they puzzled over how Professor Gerald, in his experiments to make the Ultimate Life-Form, went from The Biolizard to Shadow, with no other prototypes in the middle. That's when I realised that him being created by the Black Arms was ''actually necessary'' to explain why Gerald made the technological leap that he did: using his own intelligence and resources, the best he could come up with was the Biolizard, a creature which clearly wasn't up to scratch. At that point, he encountered the Black Arms, and they gave him the information and resources he needed to create Shadow -- they actually say in the game that "He needed a little help", so they helped him out. The game ShadowTheHedgehog basically explains every plot hole from VideoGame/SonicAdventure2, both why the Eclipse cannon was made and how Shadow was made (sorry, HellfireComms - no offence was intended).
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* Watching some of the LetsPlay/HellfireCommentaries playthroughs of some of the Sonic games, they expressed the view that Shadow being created by the Black Arms (and thus making him a [[HalfHumanHybrid Half-Hedgehog Hybrid]]) was really stupid and not needed... but at the same time, they puzzled over how Professor Gerald, in his experiments to make the Ultimate Life-Form, went from The Biolizard to Shadow, with no other prototypes in the middle. That's when I realised that him being created by the Black Arms was ''actually necessary'' to explain why Gerald made the technological leap that he did: using his own intelligence and resources, the best he could come up with was the Biolizard, a creature which clearly wasn't up to scratch. At that point, he encountered the Black Arms, and they gave him the information and resources he needed to create Shadow -- they actually say in the game that "He needed a little help", so they helped him out. The game ShadowTheHedgehog basically explains every plot hole from VideoGame/SonicAdventure2, both why the Eclipse cannon was made and how Shadow was made (sorry, HellfireComms LetsPlay/HellfireCommentaries - no offence was intended).
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* Watching some of the HellfireCommentaries playthroughs of some of the Sonic games, they expressed the view that Shadow being created by the Black Arms (and thus making him a [[HalfHumanHybrid Half-Hedgehog Hybrid]]) was really stupid and not needed... but at the same time, they puzzled over how Professor Gerald, in his experiments to make the Ultimate Life-Form, went from The Biolizard to Shadow, with no other prototypes in the middle. That's when I realised that him being created by the Black Arms was ''actually necessary'' to explain why Gerald made the technological leap that he did: using his own intelligence and resources, the best he could come up with was the Biolizard, a creature which clearly wasn't up to scratch. At that point, he encountered the Black Arms, and they gave him the information and resources he needed to create Shadow -- they actually say in the game that "He needed a little help", so they helped him out. The game ShadowTheHedgehog basically explains every plot hole from VideoGame/SonicAdventure2, both why the Eclipse cannon was made and how Shadow was made (sorry, HellfireComms - no offence was intended).
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* Watching some of the HellfireCommentaries LetsPlay/HellfireCommentaries playthroughs of some of the Sonic games, they expressed the view that Shadow being created by the Black Arms (and thus making him a [[HalfHumanHybrid Half-Hedgehog Hybrid]]) was really stupid and not needed... but at the same time, they puzzled over how Professor Gerald, in his experiments to make the Ultimate Life-Form, went from The Biolizard to Shadow, with no other prototypes in the middle. That's when I realised that him being created by the Black Arms was ''actually necessary'' to explain why Gerald made the technological leap that he did: using his own intelligence and resources, the best he could come up with was the Biolizard, a creature which clearly wasn't up to scratch. At that point, he encountered the Black Arms, and they gave him the information and resources he needed to create Shadow -- they actually say in the game that "He needed a little help", so they helped him out. The game ShadowTheHedgehog basically explains every plot hole from VideoGame/SonicAdventure2, both why the Eclipse cannon was made and how Shadow was made (sorry, HellfireComms - no offence was intended).
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* ''Shadow's'' DarkerAndEdgier leanings are the most-ridiculed thing about the game--the image of Shadow riding a motorcycle in particular. From that image comes the mechanic of using firearms and hopping into and out of vehicles in real-time...Shadow's pretty much committing ''GrandTheftAuto'', which was, for a time, shorthand for "an adult's game." Couple that with the trend of the NinetiesAntiHero, which concerned itself with making childhood heroes violent and edgy and more acceptable in mainstream discussion, and you have ''Shadow the Hedgehog''.
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* ''Shadow's'' DarkerAndEdgier leanings are the most-ridiculed thing about the game--the image of Shadow riding a motorcycle in particular. From that image comes the mechanic of using firearms and hopping into and out of vehicles in real-time...Shadow's pretty much committing ''GrandTheftAuto'', which was, for a time, shorthand for "an adult's game." Couple that with the trend of the NinetiesAntiHero, which concerned itself with making childhood heroes violent and edgy and more acceptable in mainstream discussion, and you have ''Shadow the Hedgehog''.]
**And although a lot of people call it a ''Call of Duty'' ripoff now, the mainstream FPS at the time of the game's release was ''Halo''. The Black Arm's weapons are pretty much direct Covenant weapons, with plasma weaponry and energy swords dominating. And although their basic troops don't resemble Grunts too much, there are enemies with armor very reminiscent of the Elites, and turrets that resemble the main guns of Wraiths.
**And although a lot of people call it a ''Call of Duty'' ripoff now, the mainstream FPS at the time of the game's release was ''Halo''. The Black Arm's weapons are pretty much direct Covenant weapons, with plasma weaponry and energy swords dominating. And although their basic troops don't resemble Grunts too much, there are enemies with armor very reminiscent of the Elites, and turrets that resemble the main guns of Wraiths.
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** ...So, Black Doom is [[ChronoTrigger Lavos]]?
* True Ending. Don't mind the completely spoiler-obscured paragraph. [[spoiler:Black Doom uses paralytic gas to instantly freeze Shadow and the rest of the cast so they could be eaten by larval forms of the Black Arms. He uses the opportunity to explain his plan, to have his species use humanity as a food source. Shadow, being one of the black aliens himself, is able to shake the paralysis. Doom expresses shock and retreats. With new resolve to stop Doom's evil scheme, Shadow gives chase... leaving everyone else behind, still stiffened by the paralytic gas, to be slowly consumed by the Black Arms larva.]]
** [[spoiler:Granted, they are able to escape with no lasting harm. I'm lead to conclude Doom himself might have been personally expelling the fumes, like some sort of dangerous, numbing flatulence.]]
* True Ending. Don't mind the completely spoiler-obscured paragraph. [[spoiler:Black Doom uses paralytic gas to instantly freeze Shadow and the rest of the cast so they could be eaten by larval forms of the Black Arms. He uses the opportunity to explain his plan, to have his species use humanity as a food source. Shadow, being one of the black aliens himself, is able to shake the paralysis. Doom expresses shock and retreats. With new resolve to stop Doom's evil scheme, Shadow gives chase... leaving everyone else behind, still stiffened by the paralytic gas, to be slowly consumed by the Black Arms larva.]]
** [[spoiler:Granted, they are able to escape with no lasting harm. I'm lead to conclude Doom himself might have been personally expelling the fumes, like some sort of dangerous, numbing flatulence.]]
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** ...So, Black Doom is [[ChronoTrigger Lavos]]?
* True Ending. Don't mind the completely spoiler-obscured paragraph. [[spoiler:Black Doom uses paralytic gas to instantly freeze Shadow and the rest of the cast so they could be eaten by larval forms of the Black Arms. He uses the opportunity to explain his plan, to have his species use humanity as a food source. Shadow, being one of the black aliens himself, is able to shake the paralysis. Doom expresses shock and retreats. With new resolve to stop Doom's evil scheme, Shadow gives chase... leaving everyone else behind, still stiffened by the paralytic gas, to be slowly consumed by the Black Arms larva.]]
** [[spoiler:Granted, they are able to escape with no lasting harm. I'm lead to conclude Doom himself might have been personally expelling the fumes, like some sort of dangerous, numbing flatulence.]]Lavos]]?
* True Ending. Don't mind the completely spoiler-obscured paragraph. [[spoiler:Black Doom uses paralytic gas to instantly freeze Shadow and the rest of the cast so they could be eaten by larval forms of the Black Arms. He uses the opportunity to explain his plan, to have his species use humanity as a food source. Shadow, being one of the black aliens himself, is able to shake the paralysis. Doom expresses shock and retreats. With new resolve to stop Doom's evil scheme, Shadow gives chase... leaving everyone else behind, still stiffened by the paralytic gas, to be slowly consumed by the Black Arms larva.]]
** [[spoiler:Granted, they are able to escape with no lasting harm. I'm lead to conclude Doom himself might have been personally expelling the fumes, like some sort of dangerous, numbing flatulence.]]
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*True Ending. Don't mind the completely spoiler-obscured paragraph. [[spoiler:Black Doom uses paralytic gas to instantly freeze Shadow and the rest of the cast so they could be eaten by larval forms of the Black Arms. He uses the opportunity to explain his plan, to have his species use humanity as a food source. Shadow, being one of the black aliens himself, is able to shake the paralysis. Doom expresses shock and retreats. With new resolve to stop Doom's evil scheme, Shadow gives chase... leaving everyone else behind, still stiffened by the paralytic gas, to be slowly consumed by the Black Arms larva.]]
**[[spoiler:Granted, they are able to escape with no lasting harm. I'm lead to conclude Doom himself might have been personally expelling the fumes, like some sort of dangerous, numbing flatulence.]]
**[[spoiler:Granted, they are able to escape with no lasting harm. I'm lead to conclude Doom himself might have been personally expelling the fumes, like some sort of dangerous, numbing flatulence.]]
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** Several of the endings are completely impossible. The Full Evil ending requires that Shadow decides he, personally wants to see the world destroyed, and not let Black Doom do the job by eating everybody. Another shows Shadow deciding that he doesn't want to rule the world after all. And a third means that Shadow seems to be only willing to serve Black Doom if he's not going to eat people, even though he must surely know by then that he's being used. But actually, Sonic Team is helping you narrow down Shadow's true path.
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** ...So, Black Doom is [[ChronoTrigger Lavos]]?
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** ...So, Black Doom is [[ChronoTrigger Lavos]]?
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* Other likely paths involve visiting Black Doom's Sky Temple twice, then ending at the Black Comet and fighting Sonic - you're planning on helping Black Doom run the world but he turns out to just want to eat everybody. Or if you fight Eggman, you decide to go your own way. It makes sense because The Last Way takes place on The Comet but Shadow isn't seen teleporting there. It also doesn't require mass genocide - just the destruction of Eggman's robots. You meet Eggman multiple times, so it makes sense that Eggman would tell you that you're the real Shadow in the fight against Devil Doom. You can also help Amy save Cream without affecting the story too much, which explains why she might be so enthusiastic about Shadow!
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* Other likely paths involve visiting Black Doom's Sky Temple twice, then ending at the Black Comet and fighting Sonic - you're planning on helping Black Doom run the world but he turns out to just want to eat everybody. Or if you fight Eggman, you decide to go your own way. It makes sense because The Last Way takes place on The Comet but Shadow isn't seen teleporting there. It also doesn't require mass genocide - just the destruction of Eggman's robots. You meet Eggman multiple times, so it makes sense that Eggman would tell you that you're the real Shadow in the fight against Devil Doom. You can also help Amy save Cream without affecting the story too much, which explains why she might be so enthusiastic about Shadow!
Shadow! Helping Amy makes sense because when Black Doom teleports you to the temple, Shadow may have become afraid of him.
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The problem is, Sonic and his pals are still very popular with kids. ''Shadow'' therefore has to force ''Grand Theft Auto'' to comply with ''Sonic The Hedgehog''. FridgeBrilliance kicks in when you realize that the game is deliberately DarkerAndEdgier to the point of absurdity. Better still, the game knows that it's absurd, but still plays it straight: it has a weapon called the "Omochao Gun" that makes a sound like a toy pop-gun, but it's one of the more powerful weapons in the game.
* A lot of people feel that helping the Chaotix is very important in the story thanks to their presence in the Last Story. But there's more than that - the Chaotix is something of a Neutral Party, and that's what Shadow has always tried to be! There are three ways to take the Chaotix path but the most obvious for me is "Wandering's End". Black Doom shows up and tells you to find the Chaos Emeralds. Do that in Westopolis and he complains. Next you end up in Glyphic Canyon (which I feel must be an important location since you can visit it twice). And you encounter Knuckles (Ex-Chaotix member from the old days). You think "Okay, there's an emerald here, I'll get it." He just gets mad AGAIN, so no wonder you turn to the Chaotix! This path neither requires assisting the Blue Blockhead, nor does it require any kind of mass murder on Shadow's part.
* Other likely paths involve visiting Black Doom's Sky Temple twice, then ending at the Black Comet and fighting Sonic - you're planning on helping Black Doom run the world but he turns out to just want to eat everybody. It makes sense because The Last Way takes place on The Comet but Shadow isn't seen teleporting there. It also doesn't require mass genocide - just the destruction of Eggman's robots. You aren't shown killing Eggman, and both he and Sonic have reached the Black Comet too. If you take the Air Fleet, you see the President's airship damaged but not destroyed, and if you pass through Iron Jungle, you run into the Shadow Androids - making sense that Eggman would tell you that you're the real Shadow in the fight against Devil Doom.
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* A lot of people feel that helping the Chaotix is very important in the story thanks to their presence in the Last Story. But there's more than that - the Chaotix is something of a Neutral Party, and that's what Shadow has always tried to be! There are three ways to take the Chaotix path but the most obvious for me is "Wandering's End". Black Doom shows up and tells you to find the Chaos Emeralds. Do that in Westopolis and he complains. Next you end up in Glyphic Canyon (which I feel must be an important location since you can visit it twice). And you encounter Knuckles (Ex-Chaotix member from the old days). You think "Okay, there's an emerald here, I'll get it." He just gets mad AGAIN, so no wonder you turn to the Chaotix! This path neither requires assisting the Blue Blockhead, nor does it require any kind of mass murder on Shadow's
* Other likely paths involve visiting Black Doom's Sky Temple twice, then ending at the Black Comet and fighting Sonic - you're planning on helping Black Doom run the world but he turns out to just want to eat everybody. Or if you fight Eggman, you decide to go your own way. It makes sense because The Last Way takes place on The Comet but Shadow isn't seen teleporting there. It also doesn't require mass genocide - just the destruction of Eggman's robots. You
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* Other paths involve raising and defending the Sky Temple, then ending at the Black Comet and fighting Sonic - you're planning on helping Black Doom run the world but he turns out to just want to eat everybody. It makes sense because The Last Way takes place on The Comet but Shadow isn't seen teleporting there. It also doesn't require mass genocide - just the destruction of Eggman's robots. You aren't shown killing Eggman, and both he and Sonic have reached the Black Comet too. If you take the Air Fleet, you see the President's airship damaged but not destroyed, and if you pass through Iron Jungle, you run into the Shadow Androids - making sense that Eggman would tell you that you're the real Shadow in the fight against Devil Doom.
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* Other likely paths involve raising and defending the visiting Black Doom's Sky Temple, Temple twice, then ending at the Black Comet and fighting Sonic - you're planning on helping Black Doom run the world but he turns out to just want to eat everybody. It makes sense because The Last Way takes place on The Comet but Shadow isn't seen teleporting there. It also doesn't require mass genocide - just the destruction of Eggman's robots. You aren't shown killing Eggman, and both he and Sonic have reached the Black Comet too. If you take the Air Fleet, you see the President's airship damaged but not destroyed, and if you pass through Iron Jungle, you run into the Shadow Androids - making sense that Eggman would tell you that you're the real Shadow in the fight against Devil Doom.
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* A lot of people feel that helping the Chaotix is very important in the story thanks to their presence in the Last Story. But there's more than that - the Chaotix is something of a Neutral Party, and that's what Shadow has always tried to be! There are three ways to take the Chaotix path but the most obvious for me is "Wandering's End". Black Doom shows up and tells you to find the Chaos Emeralds. Do that in Westopolis and he complains. Next you end up in Glyphic Canyon (which I feel must be an important location since you can visit it twice). And you encounter Knuckles (Ex-Chaotix member from the old days). You think "Okay, there's an emerald here, I'll get it." He just gets mad AGAIN, so no wonder you turn to the Chaotix! This path neither requires assisting the Blue Blockhead, nor does it require any kind of mass murder on Shadow's part.
* Other paths involve raising and defending the Sky Temple, then ending at the Black Comet and fighting Sonic - you're planning on helping Black Doom run the world but he turns out to just want to eat everybody. It makes sense because The Last Way takes place on The Comet but Shadow isn't seen teleporting there. It also doesn't require mass genocide - just the destruction of Eggman's robots. You aren't shown killing Eggman, and both he and Sonic have reached the Black Comet too. If you take the Air Fleet, you see the President's airship damaged but not destroyed, and if you pass through Iron Jungle, you run into the Shadow Androids - making sense that Eggman would tell you that you're the real Shadow in the fight against Devil Doom.
* Other paths involve raising and defending the Sky Temple, then ending at the Black Comet and fighting Sonic - you're planning on helping Black Doom run the world but he turns out to just want to eat everybody. It makes sense because The Last Way takes place on The Comet but Shadow isn't seen teleporting there. It also doesn't require mass genocide - just the destruction of Eggman's robots. You aren't shown killing Eggman, and both he and Sonic have reached the Black Comet too. If you take the Air Fleet, you see the President's airship damaged but not destroyed, and if you pass through Iron Jungle, you run into the Shadow Androids - making sense that Eggman would tell you that you're the real Shadow in the fight against Devil Doom.
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** That makes even more sense with those endings - Eggman tells Shadow he's a robot in them.
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* Slightly Hero -- Hero Ending made it sound like [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Shadow really WAS sorry for the carnage he committed]]. A little ''too'' sorry. Vector's "DON'T GO THERE!" comment made it sound like Shadow was going to [[DrivenToSuicide commit SUICIDE!]]''''' And what's worse, it was IMPLIED that he '''''DID!''''' Along with the emeralds... yeah, next time Sonic is down, the world is screwed...
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* Slightly Hero -- Hero Ending made it sound like [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Shadow really WAS sorry for the carnage he committed]]. A little ''too'' sorry. Vector's "DON'T GO THERE!" comment made it sound like Shadow was going to [[DrivenToSuicide commit SUICIDE!]]''''' And what's worse, it was IMPLIED that he '''''DID!''''' DID!''''' Along with the emeralds... yeah, next time Sonic is down, the world is screwed...
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* Slightly Hero -- Hero Ending made it sound like [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Shadow really]] ''[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone WAS]]'' [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone sorry for the carnage he committed]]. A little ''too'' sorry. Vector's "DON'T GO THERE!" comment made it sound like Shadow was going to [[DrivenToSuicide commit]] '''''[[DrivenToSuicide SUICIDE!]]''''' And what's worse, it was IMPLIED that he '''''DID!''''' Along with the emeralds... yeah, next time Sonic is down, the world is screwed...
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* Slightly Hero -- Hero Ending made it sound like [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Shadow really]] ''[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone WAS]]'' [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone really WAS sorry for the carnage he committed]]. A little ''too'' sorry. Vector's "DON'T GO THERE!" comment made it sound like Shadow was going to [[DrivenToSuicide commit]] '''''[[DrivenToSuicide commit SUICIDE!]]''''' And what's worse, it was IMPLIED that he '''''DID!''''' Along with the emeralds... yeah, next time Sonic is down, the world is screwed...
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* ''Shadow's'' DarkerAndEdgier leanings are the most-ridiculed thing about the game--the image of Shadow riding a motorcycle in particular. From that image comes the mechanic of using firearms and hopping into and out of vehicles in real-time...Shadow's pretty much committing ''GrandTheftAuto'', which was, for a time, shorthand for "an adult's game." Couple that with the trend of the NinetiesAntiHero, which concerned itself with making childhood heroes violent and edgy and more acceptable in mainstream discussion, and you have ''Shadow the Hedgehog''.
The problem is, Sonic and his pals are still very popular with kids. ''Shadow'' therefore has to force ''Grand Theft Auto'' to comply with ''Sonic The Hedgehog''. FridgeBrilliance kicks in when you realize that the game is deliberately DarkerAndEdgier to the point of absurdity. Better still, the game knows that it's absurd, but still plays it straight: it has a weapon called the "Omochao Gun" that makes a sound like a toy pop-gun, but it's one of the more powerful weapons in the game.
The problem is, Sonic and his pals are still very popular with kids. ''Shadow'' therefore has to force ''Grand Theft Auto'' to comply with ''Sonic The Hedgehog''. FridgeBrilliance kicks in when you realize that the game is deliberately DarkerAndEdgier to the point of absurdity. Better still, the game knows that it's absurd, but still plays it straight: it has a weapon called the "Omochao Gun" that makes a sound like a toy pop-gun, but it's one of the more powerful weapons in the game.
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** In Sonic Heroes, Omega saw the room full of androids along with Rouge in the team dark ending. Both of them were already aware of the possibility that this Shadow might be a different one. Rouge chose to ignore it entirely, and Omega simply noted that the original had to exist in some form. Bottom line is, neither of them think it's important any more.
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** One of the Slightly Hero -- Hero paths is even named "Shadow’s Second Death...?"
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* [[TheChessmaster Black Doom]] has been [[ParanoiaFuel visiting our planet for over 2000 years]], given how long Glyphic Canyon has been there. Black Doom's goal is [[spoiler:ToServeMan to the Black Arms.]] [[TheManBehindTheMan Black Doom]] has likely [[AncientConspiracy been playing a hand in history]] [[spoiler:so there'd plenty of humans to devour.]]
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* [[TheChessmaster Black Doom]] has been [[ParanoiaFuel visiting our planet for over 2000 years]], given how long Glyphic Canyon has been there. Black Doom's goal is [[spoiler:ToServeMan to the Black Arms.]] [[TheManBehindTheMan Black Doom]] has likely [[AncientConspiracy been playing a hand in history]] [[spoiler:so there'd plenty of humans to devour.]]]]
** ...So, Black Doom is [[ChronoTrigger Lavos]]?
** ...So, Black Doom is [[ChronoTrigger Lavos]]?
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* Slightly Hero -- Hero Ending made it sound like Shadow really ''WAS'' sorry for the carnage he committed. A little ''too'' sorry. Vector's "DON'T GO THERE!" comment made it sound like Shadow was going to [[DrivenToSuicide commit]] '''''[[DrivenToSuicide SUICIDE!]]''''' And what's worse, it was IMPLIED that he '''''DID!''''' Along with the emeralds... yeah, next time Sonic is down, the world is screwed...
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* Slightly Hero -- Hero Ending made it sound like [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Shadow really ''WAS'' really]] ''[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone WAS]]'' [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone sorry for the carnage he committed.committed]]. A little ''too'' sorry. Vector's "DON'T GO THERE!" comment made it sound like Shadow was going to [[DrivenToSuicide commit]] '''''[[DrivenToSuicide SUICIDE!]]''''' And what's worse, it was IMPLIED that he '''''DID!''''' Along with the emeralds... yeah, next time Sonic is down, the world is screwed...
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* Slightly Hero -- Hero Ending made it sound like Shadow really ''WAS'' sorry for the carnage he committed. A little ''too'' sorry. Vector's "DON'T GO THERE!" comment made it sound like Shadow was going to commit '''''SUICIDE!''''' And what's worse, it was IMPLIED that he '''''DID!''''' Along with the emeralds... yeah, next time Sonic is down, the world is screwed...
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* Slightly Hero -- Hero Ending made it sound like Shadow really ''WAS'' sorry for the carnage he committed. A little ''too'' sorry. Vector's "DON'T GO THERE!" comment made it sound like Shadow was going to commit '''''SUICIDE!''''' [[DrivenToSuicide commit]] '''''[[DrivenToSuicide SUICIDE!]]''''' And what's worse, it was IMPLIED that he '''''DID!''''' Along with the emeralds... yeah, next time Sonic is down, the world is screwed...
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* Slightly Hero -- Hero Ending made it sound like Shadow really ''WAS'' sorry for the carnage he committed. A little ''too'' sorry. Vector's "DON'T GO THERE!" comment made it sound like Shadow was going to commit '''''SUICIDE!''''' And what's worse, it was IMPLIED that he DID! Along with the emeralds... yeah, next time Sonic is down, the world is screwed...
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* Slightly Hero -- Hero Ending made it sound like Shadow really ''WAS'' sorry for the carnage he committed. A little ''too'' sorry. Vector's "DON'T GO THERE!" comment made it sound like Shadow was going to commit '''''SUICIDE!''''' And what's worse, it was IMPLIED that he DID! '''''DID!''''' Along with the emeralds... yeah, next time Sonic is down, the world is screwed...
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* It took me a while, but I finally realized that the KarmaMeter in ''ShadowTheHedgehog'' is a perfect representation of how Chaos Energy works. "Power is enriched by the heart.", "The controller is the one who unifies the chaos." Since he's suffering from amnesia and mind-control, he can't focus his powers as well as he could in SA 2, so Shadow's state of mind influences the energy he draws from the Emeralds, and alters his powers, much like in Sonic Adventure, where Sonic and Chaos drew upon completely different "sides" of the Emeralds' powers. When he's full of rage and hatred, he draws on the negative power of the Emeralds and his powers become incredibly violent and destructive, like Chaos was; and when he focuses on rescuing people or destroying evil, he gets the positive energy of the Emeralds, and his powers resemble something closer to Super Sonic: high speed, nigh invincibility, and flight. It just fits so well! -- @/{{Enlong}}
** Also, why was G.U.N. trying to kill Shadow in SA 2? Even if he wasn't the dangerous Prototype that G.U.N. was at the ARK searching for, they tried killing him anyways. But, you think they would know the difference between a giant fucking lizard and a hedgehog, and you would be right! They did! They went after Shadow because of his appearance: A Hedgehog sporting the Black Arms skin color! -- [[Tropers/Shadowgirl13Chaos Shadowgirl13_chaos]]
** Also, why was G.U.N. trying to kill Shadow in SA 2? Even if he wasn't the dangerous Prototype that G.U.N. was at the ARK searching for, they tried killing him anyways. But, you think they would know the difference between a giant fucking lizard and a hedgehog, and you would be right! They did! They went after Shadow because of his appearance: A Hedgehog sporting the Black Arms skin color! -- [[Tropers/Shadowgirl13Chaos Shadowgirl13_chaos]]
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* It took me a while, but I finally realized that the KarmaMeter in ''ShadowTheHedgehog'' is a perfect representation of how Chaos Energy works. "Power is enriched by the heart.", "The controller is the one who unifies the chaos." Since he's suffering from amnesia and mind-control, he can't focus his powers as well as he could in SA 2, [=SA2=], so Shadow's state of mind influences the energy he draws from the Emeralds, and alters his powers, much like in Sonic Adventure, where Sonic and Chaos drew upon completely different "sides" of the Emeralds' powers. When he's full of rage and hatred, he draws on the negative power of the Emeralds and his powers become incredibly violent and destructive, like Chaos was; and when he focuses on rescuing people or destroying evil, he gets the positive energy of the Emeralds, and his powers resemble something closer to Super Sonic: high speed, nigh invincibility, and flight. It just fits so well! -- @/{{Enlong}}
** Also, why was G.U.N. trying to kill Shadow inSA 2? [=SA2=]? Even if he wasn't the dangerous Prototype that G.U.N. was at the ARK searching for, they tried killing him anyways. But, you think they would know the difference between a giant fucking lizard and a hedgehog, and you would be right! They did! They went after Shadow because of his appearance: A Hedgehog sporting the Black Arms skin color! -- [[Tropers/Shadowgirl13Chaos Shadowgirl13_chaos]]
** Also, why was G.U.N. trying to kill Shadow in
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* Watching some of the HellFireComms playthroughs of some of the Sonic games, they expressed the view that Shadow being created by the Black Arms (and thus making him a [[HalfHumanHybrid Half-Hedgehog Hybrid]]) was really stupid and not needed...but at the same time, they puzzled over how Professor Gerald, in his experiments to make the Ultimate Life-Form, went from The Biolizard to Shadow, with no other prototypes in the middle. That's when I realised that him being created by the Black Arms was ''actually necessary'' to explain why Gerald made the technological leap that he did: using his own intelligence and resources, the best he could come up with was the Biolizard, a creature which clearly wasn't up to scratch. At that point, he encountered the Black Arms, and they gave him the information and resources he needed to create Shadow - they actually say in the game that "He needed a little help", so they helped him out. The game ShadowTheHedgehog basically explains every plot hole from VideoGame/SonicAdventure2, both why the Eclipse cannon was made and how Shadow was made (sorry, HellFireComms - no offence was intended).
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* Watching some of the HellFireComms HellfireCommentaries playthroughs of some of the Sonic games, they expressed the view that Shadow being created by the Black Arms (and thus making him a [[HalfHumanHybrid Half-Hedgehog Hybrid]]) was really stupid and not needed...needed... but at the same time, they puzzled over how Professor Gerald, in his experiments to make the Ultimate Life-Form, went from The Biolizard to Shadow, with no other prototypes in the middle. That's when I realised that him being created by the Black Arms was ''actually necessary'' to explain why Gerald made the technological leap that he did: using his own intelligence and resources, the best he could come up with was the Biolizard, a creature which clearly wasn't up to scratch. At that point, he encountered the Black Arms, and they gave him the information and resources he needed to create Shadow - -- they actually say in the game that "He needed a little help", so they helped him out. The game ShadowTheHedgehog basically explains every plot hole from VideoGame/SonicAdventure2, both why the Eclipse cannon was made and how Shadow was made (sorry, HellFireComms HellfireComms - no offence was intended).
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* There's a plot hole in SA2 where if Gerald went mad only after everyone else on the station was killed, how could he possibly reconfigure the ARK into a massive cannon on his own, especially with short time left and without a legion of robots? It's answered in this game, as the station was already a giant cannon long before G.U.N.'s interference; all Gerald had to do was change the firing coordinates.
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* There's a plot hole in SA2 [=SA2=] where if Gerald went mad only after everyone else on the station was killed, how could he possibly reconfigure the ARK into a massive cannon on his own, especially with short time left and without a legion of robots? It's answered in this game, as the station was already a giant cannon long before G.U.N.'s interference; all Gerald had to do was change the firing coordinates.
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* Slightly Hero - Hero Ending made it sound like Shadow really ''WAS'' sorry for the carnage he committed. A little ''too'' sorry. Vector's "DON'T GO THERE!" comment made it sound like Shadow was going to commit '''''SUICIDE!''''' And what's worse, it was IMPLIED that he DID! Along with the emeralds... yeah, next time Sonic is down, the world is screwed...
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* Slightly Hero - -- Hero Ending made it sound like Shadow really ''WAS'' sorry for the carnage he committed. A little ''too'' sorry. Vector's "DON'T GO THERE!" comment made it sound like Shadow was going to commit '''''SUICIDE!''''' And what's worse, it was IMPLIED that he DID! Along with the emeralds... yeah, next time Sonic is down, the world is screwed...
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* [[TheChessmaster Black Doom]] has been [[ParanoiaFuel visiting our planet for over 2000 years]], given how long Glyphic Canyon has been there. Black Doom's goal is [[spoiler:ToServeMan to the Black Arms.]] [[TheManBehindTheMan Black Doom]] has likely [[AncientConspiracy been playing a hand in history]] [[spoiler:so there'd plenty humans to devour.]]
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* [[TheChessmaster Black Doom]] has been [[ParanoiaFuel visiting our planet for over 2000 years]], given how long Glyphic Canyon has been there. Black Doom's goal is [[spoiler:ToServeMan to the Black Arms.]] [[TheManBehindTheMan Black Doom]] has likely [[AncientConspiracy been playing a hand in history]] [[spoiler:so there'd plenty of humans to devour.]]
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Not likely, since literally the second after the Black Comet is in the ARK\'s firing range, the laser fires.
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** That, or Shadow depowered just before firing the cannon.
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And moving these to Headscratchers.
* It took me a while, but I finally realized that the KarmaMeter in ''ShadowTheHedgehog'' is a perfect representation of how Chaos Energy works. "Power is enriched by the heart.", "The controller is the one who unifies the chaos." Since he's suffering from amnesia and mind-control, he can't focus his powers as well as he could in SA 2, so Shadow's state of mind influences the energy he draws from the Emeralds, and alters his powers, much like in Sonic Adventure, where Sonic and Chaos drew upon completely different "sides" of the Emeralds' powers. When he's full of rage and hatred, he draws on the negative power of the Emeralds and his powers become incredibly violent and destructive, like Chaos was; and when he focuses on rescuing people or destroying evil, he gets the positive energy of the Emeralds, and his powers resemble something closer to Super Sonic: high speed, nigh invincibility, and flight. It just fits so well! -- @/{{Enlong}}
** Also, why was G.U.N. trying to kill Shadow in SA 2? Even if he wasn't the dangerous Prototype that G.U.N. was at the ARK searching for, they tried killing him anyways. But, you think they would know the difference between a giant fucking lizard and a hedgehog, and you would be right! They did! They went after Shadow because of his appearance: A Hedgehog sporting the Black Arms skin color! -- [[Tropers/Shadowgirl13Chaos Shadowgirl13_chaos]]
*** On top of that, when Rouge recovers Professor Robotnik's notes in ''Sonic Adventure 2'', we find out that Biolizard's given name was also Shadow. Assuming G.U.N. knew about this project, and Shadow the Hedgehog was developed in secret, they would've come to one logical conclusion about someone created by the Professor and identifying himself as "Shadow."
* Watching some of the HellFireComms playthroughs of some of the Sonic games, they expressed the view that Shadow being created by the Black Arms (and thus making him a [[HalfHumanHybrid Half-Hedgehog Hybrid]]) was really stupid and not needed...but at the same time, they puzzled over how Professor Gerald, in his experiments to make the Ultimate Life-Form, went from The Biolizard to Shadow, with no other prototypes in the middle. That's when I realised that him being created by the Black Arms was ''actually necessary'' to explain why Gerald made the technological leap that he did: using his own intelligence and resources, the best he could come up with was the Biolizard, a creature which clearly wasn't up to scratch. At that point, he encountered the Black Arms, and they gave him the information and resources he needed to create Shadow - they actually say in the game that "He needed a little help", so they helped him out. The game ShadowTheHedgehog basically explains every plot hole from VideoGame/SonicAdventure2, both why the Eclipse cannon was made and how Shadow was made (sorry, HellFireComms - no offence was intended).
** More detail: The Ultimate Lifeform Project is also fueled by Gerald's desire to treat Maria's NIDS and save her life. This is why the Ultimate Lifeform is intended to have immense regenerative powers. However, the limitations of Gerald's knowledge are made apparent in the weaknesses of the Biolizard prototype, which not only requires a life-support system to sustain it, but is also ''unstable'' and inefficent. Note how it stops to catch its breath after every attack cycle, which is why and how Shadow, the ''completed'' Ultimate Lifeform, was able to attack its life-support systems. Furthermore, it is ''unstable'', as evidenced by the tumor-like weak spots that begin to sprout over its body in the final battle of ''Adventure 2''. THIS is why Gerald was forced to get biotechnology from the Black Arms, as Maria's time was growing short and he desperately wanted to cure her. Thank goodness he left his original "Stop Black Doom" programming in Shadow when he was driven murderously insane by the GUN attack on the ARK colony that killed Maria.
** Also, why was G.U.N. trying to kill Shadow in SA 2? Even if he wasn't the dangerous Prototype that G.U.N. was at the ARK searching for, they tried killing him anyways. But, you think they would know the difference between a giant fucking lizard and a hedgehog, and you would be right! They did! They went after Shadow because of his appearance: A Hedgehog sporting the Black Arms skin color! -- [[Tropers/Shadowgirl13Chaos Shadowgirl13_chaos]]
*** On top of that, when Rouge recovers Professor Robotnik's notes in ''Sonic Adventure 2'', we find out that Biolizard's given name was also Shadow. Assuming G.U.N. knew about this project, and Shadow the Hedgehog was developed in secret, they would've come to one logical conclusion about someone created by the Professor and identifying himself as "Shadow."
* Watching some of the HellFireComms playthroughs of some of the Sonic games, they expressed the view that Shadow being created by the Black Arms (and thus making him a [[HalfHumanHybrid Half-Hedgehog Hybrid]]) was really stupid and not needed...but at the same time, they puzzled over how Professor Gerald, in his experiments to make the Ultimate Life-Form, went from The Biolizard to Shadow, with no other prototypes in the middle. That's when I realised that him being created by the Black Arms was ''actually necessary'' to explain why Gerald made the technological leap that he did: using his own intelligence and resources, the best he could come up with was the Biolizard, a creature which clearly wasn't up to scratch. At that point, he encountered the Black Arms, and they gave him the information and resources he needed to create Shadow - they actually say in the game that "He needed a little help", so they helped him out. The game ShadowTheHedgehog basically explains every plot hole from VideoGame/SonicAdventure2, both why the Eclipse cannon was made and how Shadow was made (sorry, HellFireComms - no offence was intended).
** More detail: The Ultimate Lifeform Project is also fueled by Gerald's desire to treat Maria's NIDS and save her life. This is why the Ultimate Lifeform is intended to have immense regenerative powers. However, the limitations of Gerald's knowledge are made apparent in the weaknesses of the Biolizard prototype, which not only requires a life-support system to sustain it, but is also ''unstable'' and inefficent. Note how it stops to catch its breath after every attack cycle, which is why and how Shadow, the ''completed'' Ultimate Lifeform, was able to attack its life-support systems. Furthermore, it is ''unstable'', as evidenced by the tumor-like weak spots that begin to sprout over its body in the final battle of ''Adventure 2''. THIS is why Gerald was forced to get biotechnology from the Black Arms, as Maria's time was growing short and he desperately wanted to cure her. Thank goodness he left his original "Stop Black Doom" programming in Shadow when he was driven murderously insane by the GUN attack on the ARK colony that killed Maria.
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* [[TheChessmaster Black Doom]] has been [[ParanoiaFuel visiting our planet for over 2000 years]], given how long Glyphic Canyon has been there. Black Doom's goal is [[spoiler:ToServeMan to the Black Arms.]] [[TheManBehindTheMan Black Doom]] has likely [[AncientConspiracy been playing a hand in history]] [[spoiler:so there'd plenty humans to devour.]]
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* Where is Omega during the Last Story? He's a robot, he would also be immune to the nerve gas. All that firepower could sure come in handy.
** Omega is an E-100 series robot, and as a result is still being powered by an animal. The nerve gas might make him power down due to the animal being affected.
* Why on EARTH was Dr. Eggman on the Black Comet in Last Story? It would make sense if he showed up piloting the Egg Breaker or in his Eggmobile or even on his floating screen, but he's on foot! He doesn't even have anything to defend himself with, like a squad of Egg Pawns! Must've been clutching that {{Idiot Ball}} pretty close, Ivo...
** And Sonic and friends, huh? They're strong enough, they could survive easily. Eggman was WITH them, not as a enemy for that situation, of course. Having them as "temporary allies" against Black Doom left him a reason to do that.
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* Where is Omega during the Last Story? He's a robot, he would also be immune to the nerve gas. All that firepower could sure come in handy.
** Omega is an E-100 series robot, and as a result is still being powered by an animal. The nerve gas might make him power down due to the animal being affected.
* Why on EARTH was Dr. Eggman on the Black Comet in Last Story? It would make sense if he showed up piloting the Egg Breaker or in his Eggmobile or even on his floating screen, but he's on foot! He doesn't even have anything to defend himself with, like a squad of Egg Pawns! Must've been clutching that {{Idiot Ball}} pretty close, Ivo...
** And Sonic and friends, huh? They're strong enough, they could survive easily. Eggman was WITH them, not as a enemy for that situation, of course. Having them as "temporary allies" against Black Doom left him a reason to do that.
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* [[TheChessmaster Black Doom]] has been [[ParanoiaFuel visiting our planet for over 2000 years]], given how long Glyphic Canyon has been there. Black Doom's goal is [[spoiler:ToServeMan to the Black Arms.]] [[TheManBehindTheMan Black Doom]] has likely [[AncientConspiracy been playing a hand in history]] [[spoiler:so there'd plenty humans to devour.]]
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* Where is Omega during the Last Story? He's a robot, he would also be immune to the nerve gas. All that firepower could sure come in handy.
** Omega is an E-100 series robot, and as a result is still being powered by an animal. The nerve gas might make him power down due to the animal being affected.
* Why on EARTH was Dr. Eggman on the Black Comet in Last Story? It would make sense if he showed up piloting the Egg Breaker or in his Eggmobile or even on his floating screen, but he's on foot! He doesn't even have anything to defend himself with, like a squad of Egg Pawns! Must've been clutching that {{Idiot Ball}} pretty close, Ivo...
** And Sonic and friends, huh? They're strong enough, they could survive easily. Eggman was WITH them, not as a enemy for that situation, of course. Having them as "temporary allies" against Black Doom left him a reason to do that.]]
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* Where is Omega during the Last Story? He's a robot, he would also be immune to the nerve gas. All that firepower could sure come in handy.
** Omega is an E-100 series robot, and as a result is still being powered by an animal. The nerve gas might make him power down due to the animal being affected.
* Why on EARTH was Dr. Eggman on the Black Comet in Last Story? It would make sense if he showed up piloting the Egg Breaker or in his Eggmobile or even on his floating screen, but he's on foot! He doesn't even have anything to defend himself with, like a squad of Egg Pawns! Must've been clutching that {{Idiot Ball}} pretty close, Ivo...
** And Sonic and friends, huh? They're strong enough, they could survive easily. Eggman was WITH them, not as a enemy for that situation, of course. Having them as "temporary allies" against Black Doom left him a reason to do that.
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* Remember when the black arms filled a city with explosives? Remember how Knuckles was trying to disable them? I wonder why we never see him after you blow the place up...
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* Remember when the black arms filled a city with explosives? Knuckles was spending all of his time there trying to disable them. I wonder why we never see him after you blow the place up...
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* Remember when the black arms filled a city with explosives? Remember how Knuckles was spending all of his time there trying to disable them. them? I wonder why we never see him after you blow the place up...
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* Remember when the black arms filled a city with explosives? Knuckles was spending all of his time there trying to disable them. I wonder why we never see him after you blow the place up...
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* Believe or not, the uses of "damn" and "hell" have meaning in the game. Since the Black Arms serve as a parallel to Hell, there are plenty of tropes in this game that concern the underworld. Two words often used to often describe the underworld: damn and hell.
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** Black Doom [[spoiler:sees mankind as a great food source.]] Given [[LackOfEmpathy how utterly ruthless he is]] and seemed to be trying to xenoform the Earth, mankind wouldn't just be wiped out. [[spoiler:[[FateWorseThanDeath They'd be reduced to a cattle race, raised for the slaughter until the Black Arms find a new foodsource]] ]]
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* [[TheChessmaster Black Doom]] has been [[ParanoiaFuel visiting our planet for over 2000 years]], given how long Glyphic Canyon has been there. Black Doom's goal is [[spoiler:ToServeMan to the Black Arms.]] [[TheManBehindTheMan Black Doom]] has likely [[AncientConspiracy been playing a hand in history]] [[spoiler:so there'd plenty humans to devour.]]
