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** Edges over into FridgeHorror when you notice that he didn't actually yell out a BigNo until Isabelle placed her sidearm against ''her own head'', evidently preferring to shoot herself than be ripped apart by the hound. Was he outraged that he was losing a potential kill, or was he outraged because he'd ''previously lost one'' to a similar BetterToDieThanBeKilled choice by a defiant victim? Could be that was why he took up studying paralytic poisons, to ensure it wouldn't happen again.
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** Edges over into FridgeHorror when you notice that he didn't actually yell out a BigNo until Isabelle placed her sidearm against ''her own head'', evidently preferring to shoot herself than be ripped apart by the hound. Was he merely outraged that he was losing a potential kill, or was he doubly outraged because he'd ''previously lost one'' to a similar BetterToDieThanBeKilled choice by a defiant victim? Could be that was why he took up studying paralytic poisons, to ensure it wouldn't happen again.
no future target would be able to snatch the scalpel from his hand.
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** Edges over into FridgeHorror when you notice that he didn't actually yell out a BigNo until Isabelle placed her sidearm against ''her own head'', evidently preferring to shoot herself than be ripped apart by the hound. Was he outraged that he was losing a potential kill, or was he outraged because he'd ''previously lost one'' to a similar BetterToDieThanToBeKilled choice by a defiant victim? Could be that was why he took up studying paralytic poisons, to ensure it wouldn't happen again.
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** Edges over into FridgeHorror when you notice that he didn't actually yell out a BigNo until Isabelle placed her sidearm against ''her own head'', evidently preferring to shoot herself than be ripped apart by the hound. Was he outraged that he was losing a potential kill, or was he outraged because he'd ''previously lost one'' to a similar BetterToDieThanToBeKilled BetterToDieThanBeKilled choice by a defiant victim? Could be that was why he took up studying paralytic poisons, to ensure it wouldn't happen again.
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** Edges over into FridgeHorror when you notice that he didn't actually yell out a BigNo until Isabelle places her sidearm against ''her own head'', evidently preferring to shoot herself than be ripped apart by the hound. Was he outraged that he was losing a potential kill, or was he outraged because he'd ''previously lost one'' to a similar BetterToDieThanToBeKilled choice by a defiant victim? Could be that was why he took up studying paralytic poisons, to ensure it wouldn't happen again.
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** Edges over into FridgeHorror when you notice that he didn't actually yell out a BigNo until Isabelle places placed her sidearm against ''her own head'', evidently preferring to shoot herself than be ripped apart by the hound. Was he outraged that he was losing a potential kill, or was he outraged because he'd ''previously lost one'' to a similar BetterToDieThanToBeKilled choice by a defiant victim? Could be that was why he took up studying paralytic poisons, to ensure it wouldn't happen again.
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** Edges over into FridgeHorror when you notice that he didn't actually yell out a BigNo until Isabelle places her sidearm against ''her own head'', evidently preferring to shoot herself than be ripped apart by the hound. Was he outraged that he was losing a potential kill, or was he outraged because he'd ''previously lost one'' to a similar BetterToDieThanToBeKilled choice by a defiant victim? Could be that was why he took up studying paralytic poisons, to ensure it wouldn't happen again.
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* Hanzo doesn't talk much, and explains it's because he 'Talked too much'. He shows cut fingers. More than one -- which partially shows how valuable he must be to the Yakuza, to be allowed to live twice. But smarter than that, by pretending that he doesn't understand English, he gets to listen in on everything the other characters are saying, whether it's about him or about plans, and they don't worry about him hearing it. He only speaks when he's sure he can trust them.
* When the Predators' hell-hounds almost kill Isabelle, Edwin cries out in horror and anguish that she's going to be killed. Given how later in the film, Edwin turns against the heroes and tries to murder Isabelle, Edwin being upset about Isabelle wasn't because he was falling in love with her or growing attached to her... but because he planned on killing Isabelle ''himself'' and didn't want her stolen from him.
** Moreover, Edwin is strongly implied to be not just a killer, but a ''serial'' killer. Despite what many movies say, that's a pretty specific label, which includes usually a favored victim type, one group of person that serial killer gains the most (or only) gratification from killing. Isabelle may be the only one on the planet who fits Edwin's victim type, thus the only one it would be satisfying for him to kill.
* When the Predators' hell-hounds almost kill Isabelle, Edwin cries out in horror and anguish that she's going to be killed. Given how later in the film, Edwin turns against the heroes and tries to murder Isabelle, Edwin being upset about Isabelle wasn't because he was falling in love with her or growing attached to her... but because he planned on killing Isabelle ''himself'' and didn't want her stolen from him.
** Moreover, Edwin is strongly implied to be not just a killer, but a ''serial'' killer. Despite what many movies say, that's a pretty specific label, which includes usually a favored victim type, one group of person that serial killer gains the most (or only) gratification from killing. Isabelle may be the only one on the planet who fits Edwin's victim type, thus the only one it would be satisfying for him to kill.
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* Hanzo doesn't talk much, and explains it's because he 'Talked 'talked too much'. He shows off his cut fingers. More fingers to explain -- specifically, more than one -- one, which partially shows how valuable he must be to the Yakuza, to be allowed to live twice. But smarter than that, by pretending that he doesn't understand English, he gets to listen in on everything the other characters are saying, whether it's about him or about their plans, and they don't worry about him hearing it. He only speaks when he's sure he can trust them.
* When the Predators' hell-hounds almost kill Isabelle, Edwin cries out in horror and anguish that she's going to be killed. Given how later in the film, Edwin turns against the heroes and tries to murder Isabelle, Edwin being upset about Isabellewasn't isn't because he was falling in love with her or growing attached to her... but because he planned on killing Isabelle ''himself'' and didn't want her stolen from him.
** Moreover, Edwin is strongly implied to be not just a killer, but a ''serial'' killer. Despite what many movies say, that's a pretty specific label, which includes usually a favored victim type, onegroup variety of person which that serial killer gains the most (or only) gratification from killing. Isabelle may be the only one on the planet who fits Edwin's victim type, and thus would be the only one it would be satisfying for him to kill.
* When the Predators' hell-hounds almost kill Isabelle, Edwin cries out in horror and anguish that she's going to be killed. Given how later in the film, Edwin turns against the heroes and tries to murder Isabelle, Edwin being upset about Isabelle
** Moreover, Edwin is strongly implied to be not just a killer, but a ''serial'' killer. Despite what many movies say, that's a pretty specific label, which includes usually a favored victim type, one
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* Just how evil is the Berzerker and his clan if ''other'' Predators hate their actions enough to deem them criminals!?
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* Just how evil is the Berzerker Berserker and his its clan if ''other'' Predators hate their actions enough to deem them criminals!?
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** Moreover, Edwin is strongly implied to be not just a killer, but a ''serial'' killer. Despite what many movies say, that's a pretty specific label, which includes usually a favored victim type, one group of person that serial killer gains the most (or only) gratification from killing. Isabelle may be the only one on the planet who fits Edwin's victim type, thus the only one it would be satisfying for him to kill.
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* Hanzo doesn't talk much, and explains it's because he 'Talked too much'. He shows cut fingers. More than one - -- which partially shows how valuble valuable he must be to the Yakuza, to be allowed to live twice. But smarter than that, by pretending that he doesn't understand English, he gets to listen in on everything the other characters are saying, whether it's about him or about plans, and they don't worry about him hearing it. He only speaks when he's sure he can trust them.
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** For that matter, just how common are criminal Predators in the Predator universe?
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** For that matter, just how common are criminal Predators in the Predator universe?universe?
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* Just how evil is the Berzerker and his clan if ''other'' Predators hate their actions enough to deem them criminals!?criminals!?
** For that matter, just how common are criminal Predators in the Predator universe?
** For that matter, just how common are criminal Predators in the Predator universe?
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Sinkhole. Please read the trope. It's a horror movie trope, where you create fear in the audience by not showing them the monster. It's not a blanket for, "We don't know anything about it, so it must be scary."
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* [[NothingIsScarier Just how evil is the Berzerker and his clan if ''other'' Predators hate their actions enough to deem them criminals!?]]criminals!?
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* [[NothingIsScarier Just how evil is the Berzerker and his clan if ''other'' Predators hate their actions enough to deem them criminals!?criminals!?]]
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* The presence of the Black Predators. We know that the Predators are divided into Clans who are united by shared rules of combat, with the Classic ones who have been thus far depicted in the movies and Expanded Universe. So what happens to those who reject that philosophy? Is it possible that the Black Predators are the Stans and Edwins of ''their'' culture, who were sent to the planet as game, but managed to overpower the Classic ones sent to hunt ''them''?
** Or the other way around. The Black Predators have enough resources on hand (the "dogs", the flying drone) to suggest it's ''their'' hunting ground; the Classics might've arrived to disrupt their hunt, only the Black clan got the jump on them, tied one up as bait, and wiped out its companions one by one as they tried to rescue the prisoner.
** Or the other way around. The Black Predators have enough resources on hand (the "dogs", the flying drone) to suggest it's ''their'' hunting ground; the Classics might've arrived to disrupt their hunt, only the Black clan got the jump on them, tied one up as bait, and wiped out its companions one by one as they tried to rescue the prisoner.
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* When the Predators' hell-hounds almost kill Isabelle, Edwin cries out in horror and anguish that she's going to be killed. Given how later in the film, [[spoiler: Edwin turns against the heroes and tries to murder Isabelle]], Edwin being upset about Isabelle wasn't because he was falling in love with her or growing attached to her... but because [[spoiler: he planned on killing Isabelle sadistically himself and was, in reality, upset that he was in real danger of losing his potential victim]].
** [[spoiler: True serial killers typically have a preferred victim type, and may have just been "good luck" that Isabelle fit Edwin's. He's not only worried about losing a potential victim, he's worried about losing the ''only'' victim that would truly satisfy his "urge" on this alien planet.]]
** [[spoiler: True serial killers typically have a preferred victim type, and may have just been "good luck" that Isabelle fit Edwin's. He's not only worried about losing a potential victim, he's worried about losing the ''only'' victim that would truly satisfy his "urge" on this alien planet.]]
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* When the Predators' hell-hounds almost kill Isabelle, Edwin cries out in horror and anguish that she's going to be killed. Given how later in the film, [[spoiler: Edwin turns against the heroes and tries to murder Isabelle]], Isabelle, Edwin being upset about Isabelle wasn't because he was falling in love with her or growing attached to her... but because [[spoiler: he planned on killing Isabelle sadistically himself ''himself'' and was, in reality, upset that he was in real danger of losing his potential victim]].
** [[spoiler: True serial killers typically have a preferred victim type, and may have just been "good luck" that Isabelle fit Edwin's. He's not only worried about losing a potential victim, he's worried about losing the ''only'' victim that would truly satisfy his "urge" on this alien planet.]]didn't want her stolen from him.
** [[spoiler: True serial killers typically have a preferred victim type, and may have just been "good luck" that Isabelle fit Edwin's. He's not only worried about losing a potential victim, he's worried about losing the ''only'' victim that would truly satisfy his "urge" on this alien planet.]]
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* Just how evil is the Berzerker and his clan if OTHER ''other'' Predators hate their actions enough to deem them criminals!?
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That's not fridge anything, that's just pure speculation.
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** It's not just that she's about to be killed by the dogs, it's that she's about to ''shoot herself'' to ''avoid'' being killed by the dogs that he's horror-struck by. [[spoiler: Quite possibly because early in his serial-killing career, a woman he'd been planning to vivisect managed to kill herself, denying him his fun and leading him to adopt his M.O. of paralyzing his victims, first.]]
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** It's not just that she's about to be killed by the dogs, it's that she's about to ''shoot herself'' to ''avoid'' being killed by the dogs that he's horror-struck by. [[spoiler: Quite possibly because early in his serial-killing career, a woman he'd been planning to vivisect managed to kill herself, denying him his fun and leading him to adopt his M.O. of paralyzing his victims, first.]]
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** It's not just that she's about to be killed by the dogs, it's that she's about to ''shoot herself'' to ''avoid'' being killed by the dogs that he's horror-struck by. [[spoiler: Quite possibly because early in his serial-killing career, a woman he'd been planning to vivisect managed to kill herself, denying him his fun and leading him to adopt his M.O. of paralyzing his victims, first.]]]]
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* Just how evil is the Berzerker and his clan if OTHER Predators hate their actions enough to deem them criminals!?
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** [[spoiler: True serial killers typically have a preferred victim type, and may have just been "good luck" that Isabelle fit Edwin's. He's not only worried about losing a potential victim, he's worried about losing the ''only'' victim that would truly satisfy his "urge" on this alien planet.]]
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** [[spoiler: True serial killers typically have a preferred victim type, and may have just been "good luck" that Isabelle fit Edwin's. He's not only worried about losing a potential victim, he's worried about losing the ''only'' victim that would truly satisfy his "urge" on this alien planet.]]
** It's not just that she's about to be killed by the dogs, it's that she's about to ''shoot herself'' to ''avoid'' being killed by the dogs that he's horror-struck by. [[spoiler: Quite possibly because early in his serial-killing career, a woman he'd been planning to vivisect managed to kill herself, denying him his fun and leading him to adopt his M.O. of paralyzing his victims, first.]]
** It's not just that she's about to be killed by the dogs, it's that she's about to ''shoot herself'' to ''avoid'' being killed by the dogs that he's horror-struck by. [[spoiler: Quite possibly because early in his serial-killing career, a woman he'd been planning to vivisect managed to kill herself, denying him his fun and leading him to adopt his M.O. of paralyzing his victims, first.]]
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* When the Predators' hell-hounds almost kill Isabelle, Edwin cries out in horror and anguish that she's going to be killed. Given how later in the film, [[spoiler: Edwin turns against the heroes and tries to murder Isabelle]], Edwin being upset about Isabelle wasn't because he was falling in love with her or growing attached to her... but because [[spoiler: he planned on killing Isabelle sadistically himself and was, in reality, upset that he was in real danger of losing his potential victim]].
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* When the Predators' hell-hounds almost kill Isabelle, Edwin cries out in horror and anguish that she's going to be killed. Given how later in the film, [[spoiler: Edwin turns against the heroes and tries to murder Isabelle]], Edwin being upset about Isabelle wasn't because he was falling in love with her or growing attached to her... but because [[spoiler: he planned on killing Isabelle sadistically himself and was, in reality, upset that he was in real danger of losing his potential victim]].victim]].
** [[spoiler: True serial killers typically have a preferred victim type, and may have just been "good luck" that Isabelle fit Edwin's. He's not only worried about losing a potential victim, he's worried about losing the ''only'' victim that would truly satisfy his "urge" on this alien planet.]]
** [[spoiler: True serial killers typically have a preferred victim type, and may have just been "good luck" that Isabelle fit Edwin's. He's not only worried about losing a potential victim, he's worried about losing the ''only'' victim that would truly satisfy his "urge" on this alien planet.]]
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* When the Predators' hell-hounds almost kill Isabelle, Edwin cries out in horror and anguish that she's going to be killed. Given how later in the film, [[spoiler: Edwin turns against the heroes and tries to murder Isabelle]], Edwin being upset about Isabelle wasn't because he was falling in love with her or growing attached to her... but because [[spoiler: he planned on killing Isabelle sadistically himself and was, in reality, upset that he was in real danger of losing his prey]].
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* When the Predators' hell-hounds almost kill Isabelle, Edwin cries out in horror and anguish that she's going to be killed. Given how later in the film, [[spoiler: Edwin turns against the heroes and tries to murder Isabelle]], Edwin being upset about Isabelle wasn't because he was falling in love with her or growing attached to her... but because [[spoiler: he planned on killing Isabelle sadistically himself and was, in reality, upset that he was in real danger of losing his prey]].potential victim]].
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* Hanzo doesn't talk much, and explains it's because he 'Talked too much'. He shows cut fingers. More than one - which partially shows how valuble he must be to the Yakuza, to be allowed to live twice. But smarter than that, by pretending that he doesn't understand English, he gets to listen in on everything the other characters are saying, whether it's about him or about plans, and they don't worry about him hearing it. He only speaks when he's sure he can trust them.
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* Hanzo doesn't talk much, and explains it's because he 'Talked too much'. He shows cut fingers. More than one - which partially shows how valuble he must be to the Yakuza, to be allowed to live twice. But smarter than that, by pretending that he doesn't understand English, he gets to listen in on everything the other characters are saying, whether it's about him or about plans, and they don't worry about him hearing it. He only speaks when he's sure he can trust them.them.
* When the Predators' hell-hounds almost kill Isabelle, Edwin cries out in horror and anguish that she's going to be killed. Given how later in the film, [[spoiler: Edwin turns against the heroes and tries to murder Isabelle]], Edwin being upset about Isabelle wasn't because he was falling in love with her or growing attached to her... but because [[spoiler: he planned on killing Isabelle sadistically himself and was, in reality, upset that he was in real danger of losing his prey]].
* When the Predators' hell-hounds almost kill Isabelle, Edwin cries out in horror and anguish that she's going to be killed. Given how later in the film, [[spoiler: Edwin turns against the heroes and tries to murder Isabelle]], Edwin being upset about Isabelle wasn't because he was falling in love with her or growing attached to her... but because [[spoiler: he planned on killing Isabelle sadistically himself and was, in reality, upset that he was in real danger of losing his prey]].
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Yes he is. There's nothing to indicate otherwise.
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* When Stans is talking to Edwin about "bitch raping time", he's not referring to women.
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* Hanzo doesn't talk much, and explains it's because he 'Talked too much'. He shows cut fingers. More than one - which partially shows how valuble he must be to the Yakuza, to be allowed to live twice. But smarter than that, by pretending that he doesn't understand English, he gets to listen in on everything the other characters are saying, whether it's about him or about plans, and they don't worry about him hearing it. He only speaks when he's sure he can trust them.
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That\'s more Foreshadowing.
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* Stans mentioned being up for execution in two days when he was taken. Approximately two days later, a Predator rips his spine out.
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Nobody was given any weapons. Those are the weapons they had with them when they were taken.
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* When Stans demands a gun, he moves in on Mombasa with that knife like a cobra, so fast even the camera can't follow him. So fast, you half-wonder why he thinks he even needs a gun. That's when it really sinks in; everybody was given the weapons they're most competant with, even him... so, Edwin too.
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* When Stans demands a gun, he moves in on Mombasa with that knife like a cobra, so fast even the camera can't follow him. So fast, you half-wonder why he thinks he even needs a gun. That's when it really sinks in; everybody was given the weapons they're most competant with, even him... so, Edwin too.
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* Stans mentioned being up for execution in two days when he was taken. Approximately two days later, a Predator rips his spine out.out.
* When Stans demands a gun, he moves in on Mombasa with that knife like a cobra, so fast even the camera can't follow him. So fast, you half-wonder why he thinks he even needs a gun. That's when it really sinks in; everybody was given the weapons they're most competant with, even him... so, Edwin too.
* When Stans demands a gun, he moves in on Mombasa with that knife like a cobra, so fast even the camera can't follow him. So fast, you half-wonder why he thinks he even needs a gun. That's when it really sinks in; everybody was given the weapons they're most competant with, even him... so, Edwin too.
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* When Stans is talking to Edwin about "bitch raping time", he's not referring to women.women.
* Stans mentioned being up for execution in two days when he was taken. Approximately two days later, a Predator rips his spine out.
* Stans mentioned being up for execution in two days when he was taken. Approximately two days later, a Predator rips his spine out.
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* The presence of the Black Predators. We know that the Predators are divided into Clans who are united by shared rules of combat, with the Classic ones who have been thus far depicted in the movies and Expanded Universe. So what happens to those who reject that philosophy? Is it possible that the Black Predators are the Stans and Edwins of ''their'' culture, who were sent to the planet as game, but managed to overpower the Classic ones sent to hunt ''them''?
** Or the other way around. The Black Predators have enough resources on hand (the "dogs", the flying drone) to suggest it's ''their'' hunting ground; the Classics might've arrived to disrupt their hunt, only the Black clan got the jump on them, tied one up as bait, and wiped out its companions one by one as they tried to rescue the prisoner.
* When Stans is talking to Edwin about "bitch raping time", he's not referring to women.
* The presence of the Black Predators. We know that the Predators are divided into Clans who are united by shared rules of combat, with the Classic ones who have been thus far depicted in the movies and Expanded Universe. So what happens to those who reject that philosophy? Is it possible that the Black Predators are the Stans and Edwins of ''their'' culture, who were sent to the planet as game, but managed to overpower the Classic ones sent to hunt ''them''?
** Or the other way around. The Black Predators have enough resources on hand (the "dogs", the flying drone) to suggest it's ''their'' hunting ground; the Classics might've arrived to disrupt their hunt, only the Black clan got the jump on them, tied one up as bait, and wiped out its companions one by one as they tried to rescue the prisoner.
* When Stans is talking to Edwin about "bitch raping time", he's not referring to women.