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* Stitch undergoes character development within this game similarly to how he underwent character development during the events of ''Disney/LiloAndStitch''. If you assume that the events of the game takes place after Jamba and Stitch's trial but before Stitch escapes to planet Earth, it's easy to picture the events of ''Lilo and Stitch'' as being canon to the Kingdom Hearts universe as well. Aqua, Terra and Ventus planted the seeds that would cause Stitch to mature into a likable character, and Lilo made it grow. Even Jumba's reaction to Stitch being hesitant on obeying his destructive instincts can be chalked up as it not occurring to him at the time that Stitch would figure out there's more to life than destroying things, something Jumba would only notice within the film proper while he was watching Stitch when he was within Lilo's room.

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* Stitch undergoes character development within this game similarly to how he underwent character development during the events of ''Disney/LiloAndStitch''.''WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitch''. If you assume that the events of the game takes place after Jamba and Stitch's trial but before Stitch escapes to planet Earth, it's easy to picture the events of ''Lilo and Stitch'' as being canon to the Kingdom Hearts universe as well. Aqua, Terra and Ventus planted the seeds that would cause Stitch to mature into a likable character, and Lilo made it grow. Even Jumba's reaction to Stitch being hesitant on obeying his destructive instincts can be chalked up as it not occurring to him at the time that Stitch would figure out there's more to life than destroying things, something Jumba would only notice within the film proper while he was watching Stitch when he was within Lilo's room.



* This may be too "obvious" to count as FridgeBrilliance, but as someone who never saw the Disney Version of Literature/SnowWhite as a child and only grew up with the original story, this trooper was very surprised when she, shortly after finishing the Disney/SnowWhite-section of Terra's story, came to realize: "Wait a second... that all seemed kinda famili- ''Oh my god! Terra has effectively taken the place of the huntsman!!''"

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* This may be too "obvious" to count as FridgeBrilliance, but as someone who never saw the Disney Version of Literature/SnowWhite as a child and only grew up with the original story, this trooper was very surprised when she, shortly after finishing the Disney/SnowWhite-section SnowWhite-section of Terra's story, came to realize: "Wait a second... that all seemed kinda famili- ''Oh my god! Terra has effectively taken the place of the huntsman!!''"



* This Troper had a bit of FridgeLogic over the new [[Disney/{{Pinocchio}} Monstro]] battle. Why is he in the ocean like the real Pinocchio instead of in space like ''Kingdom Hearts I''? Then it hit me; this is 10 years before ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI'', Monstro could of easily gotten into space in that time.

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* This Troper had a bit of FridgeLogic over the new [[Disney/{{Pinocchio}} [[WesternAnimation/{{Pinocchio}} Monstro]] battle. Why is he in the ocean like the real Pinocchio instead of in space like ''Kingdom Hearts I''? Then it hit me; this is 10 years before ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI'', Monstro could of easily gotten into space in that time.
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*** This might be considered awesome in hindsight when one looks at further games. [[spoiler: In Kingdom Hearts 3, it's revealed that Braig/Xigbar is actually ''Luxu'', one of the ancient Keyblade Foretellers! Terra was strong enough to ''put out the eye of a foreteller''! Or Luxu was going along with the act of appearing weak, but in any case it's clearly cool.]]
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* When making D-Links, one has to note that they're bonds of unbreakable connections, usually helpful characters that come to the person's aid in some shape or form. Which makes it odd on why Terra, a protagonist and hero, gains a D-Link to Maleficent, an antagonist and villain who has screwed him over in a fashion. But consider this: In Sleeping Beauty and this game, it's mentioned that Maleficent is a ''fairy''. In both legends and Sleeping Beauty, fairies are said to follow codes of conduct and violating them earns people their wrath while following them tends to be rewarding. Terra had unintentionally aided Maleficent and was polite to her in their meeting, unlike her being uninvited to the christening of Sleeping Beauty. Therefore, whereas she cursed Aurora for being snubbed, it makes sense that she would bless Terra and grant him use of her powers in spite of being in an antagonistic relationship with her, she's repaying him for his help in Sleeping Dominion!
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* When Ventus lands in the Castle of Dreams, for some reason he's been shrunken down and it's never explained why -- even Ven himself is confused! The Fairy Godmother will later also shrink Aqua, but she never mentions doing the same to Ven and he never even knew she existed. So what did it? Well, in the Dwarf Woodlands, Ven can find a chest with the Mini spell in it. Ven's the only one of the three heroes who can find this spell in any world, meaning that odds are you'll get the Mini with him long before you do with Terra or Aqua. This may mean InUniverse that Ven learned Mini before his friends did. Since he's essentially learning a brand-new spell on his own, and with his friends and Master Eraqus for the first time not being around to help, the likeliest explanation for Ven showing up to the Cinderella's world already shrunk down is that his new spell probably backfired on him because he hadn't mastered it yet.
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* Ven having the highest Defense stat out of him, Terra, and Aqua may raise some eyebrows at first; one, Ven has been training for less time than they have (at least that he remembers), and two, he's younger, shorter, and scrawnier than them, so how can he be tougher than them, ''especially'' [[TheBigGuy Terra?]] That's when it clicks - Ven has the highest Defense because he's the ''fastest'' of the three and InUniverse he can dodge out of the way of attacks faster than Terra or even Aqua can. There's no Speed stat, so calling it Defense and making it his best stat is how Ven's skills at evading attacks gets conveyed to the player!
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In a bit of FridgeBrilliance during Aqua's private talk with Master Eraqus, as she is delivering her "promise" to keep Terra from slipping into darkness she ends the scene with the phrase "He's not as weak as you think". Cut to the next scene with Terra leaving the Land of Departure[[spoiler: And revealing that he's the superboss from KH-2 "Lingering Will" as he dons his armor to leave.]] "Not as weak as you think" indeed!

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* The fact that Birth by Sleep shows Ienzo as a child and Isa and Lea as teenagers seemingly contradicts Nomura's statement that Nobodies don't age. But then Dream Drop Distance revealed two bombshells: [[spoiler: that Nobodies can regrow new hearts]], and [[spoiler: that Ventus did not age in Castle Oblivion while his heart was inside Sora]]. The WordOfGod is still true, just FromACertainPointOfView: A body without a heart does not age, but once a Nobody [[spoiler: starts to grow a replacement]], they begin to age again.



* The fact that Birth by Sleep shows Ienzo as a child and Isa and Lea as teenagers seemingly contradicts Nomura's statement that Nobodies don't age. But then Dream Drop Distance revealed two bombshells: [[spoiler: that Nobodies can regrow new hearts]], and [[spoiler: that Ventus did not age in Castle Oblivion while his heart was inside Sora]]. The WordOfGod is still true, just FromACertainPointOfView: A body without a heart does not age, but once a Nobody [[spoilers: starts to grow a replacement]], they begin to age again.
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* The fact that Birth by Sleep shows Ienzo as a child and Isa and Lea as teenagers seemingly contradicts Nomura's statement that Nobodies don't age. But then Dream Drop Distance revealed two bombshells: [[spoiler: that Nobodies can regrow new hearts]], and [[spoiler: that Ventus did not age in Castle Oblivion while his heart was inside Sora]]. The WordOfGod is still true, just FromACertainPointOfView: A body without a heart does not age, but once a Nobody [[spoilers: starts to grow a replacement]], they begin to age again.
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In a bit of FridgeBrilliance during Aqua's private talk with Master Eraqus, as she is delivering her "promise" to keep Terra from slipping into darkness she ends the scene with the phrase "He's not as weak as you think". Cut to the next scene with Terra leaving the Land of Departure[[spoiler:And revealing that he's the superboss from KH-2 "Lingering Will" as he dons his armor to leave.]] "Not as weak as you think" indeed!

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In a bit of FridgeBrilliance during Aqua's private talk with Master Eraqus, as she is delivering her "promise" to keep Terra from slipping into darkness she ends the scene with the phrase "He's not as weak as you think". Cut to the next scene with Terra leaving the Land of Departure[[spoiler:And Departure[[spoiler: And revealing that he's the superboss from KH-2 "Lingering Will" as he dons his armor to leave.]] "Not as weak as you think" indeed!
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In a bit of FridgeBrilliance during Aqua's private talk with Master Eraqus, as she is delivering her "promise" to keep Terra from slipping into darkness she ends the scene with the phrase "He's not as weak as you think". Cut to the next scene with Terra leaving the Land of Departure[[spoiler:And revealing that he's the superboss from KH-2 "Lingering Will" as he dons his armor to leave.]] "Not as weak as you think" indeed!
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* Vanitas decides to keep Aqua around as a "spare" after she proves herself by defeating him, implicitly in case Ven doesn't get strong enough to [[spoiler:fuse with him to make the χ-Blade]]. That doesn't quite make sense at first glance - if Vanitas doesn't need Ven specifically and only needs ''someone'' strong with [[spoiler:a heart of mostly light]], why didn't he just decide to [[spoiler:fuse with]] Aqua and kill Ven instead of wasting time waiting and hoping for Ven to get strong enough? It makes more sense when [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance later]] [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII games]] reveal there was an alternate way of [[spoiler:forging the χ-Blade using Seven Guardians of Light and Thirteen Seekers of Darkness]] all along. Vanitas had Aqua earmarked as a [[spoiler:Guardian of Light]] for Plan B if Plan A with Ven didn't pan out, but having to [[spoiler:find six more lights and eleven more darknesses who meet that criteria ''and'' are strong enough for that goal ''and then'' figure out how to manipulate them into falling for the plan,]] would take a long time. Suddenly focusing on just one kid doesn't seem so bad.
* After this game, many fans concluded that unlike Xehanort's Heartless, [[spoiler:Xemnas was more of a TragicVillain due to technically being Terra's amnesiac Nobody working off Terra-Xehanort's memories, and therefore more Terra than Xehanort]]. Later installments don't follow this as the spoilered character remains a cold, cruel villain whose interest in [[spoiler:Aqua and Ven]] seems to only be for the sake of [[spoiler:Xehanort's EvilPlan]]. This makes more sense when taking into account that Nobodies are comprised of a person's body ''and'' soul. [[spoiler:Terra's soul left his body from the get-go to become the Lingering Will and his heart was later separated from his body when his and Xehanort's Heartless were created, meaning Xemnas has always been Terra's otherwise empty body possessed by ''only'' Xehanort's soul.]]
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* How do you think Terra felt about his body being controlled for an entire decade? He had to watch Xehanort commit horrible atrocities for years and he couldn't do anything about it. What makes this more horrifying, is that KH 3 reveals that Terra's heart was inside the guardian heartless. Meaning he had to Xehanort's bidding against his will. With him powerless to fight back.

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* How do you think Terra felt about his body being controlled for an entire decade? He had to watch Xehanort commit horrible atrocities for years and he couldn't do anything about it. What makes this more horrifying, is that KH 3 reveals that Terra's heart was inside the guardian heartless. Meaning he had to do Xehanort's bidding against his will. With him powerless to fight back.
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* How do you think Terra felt about his body being controlled for an entire decade? He had to watch Xehanort commit horrible atrocities for years and he couldn't do anything about it. What makes this more horrifying, is that KH 3 reveals that Terra's heart was inside the guardian heartless. Meaning he had to Xehanort's bidding against his will. With him powerless to fight back.

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It could be something less creepy. I read somewhere that nudity (or, this being PG-13 game, shirtlessness) symbolizes purity and in Japanese belief, death means purity. So, it may not be necessarily rape, so to speak...


* In the beginning of the game, we see a cutscene of Xehanort leaving a dying Ventus on Destiny Islands, with Ven half naked and wrapped in a sheet. Later on, we find out that Ventus was dying on account of getting his heart ripped in half. Which he was fully clothed for. The horror here being, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything what happened between those two scenes that Xehanort felt taking off Ventus's clothing was a necessary step?]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil Especially considering Xehanort is clearly established as viewing Ventus as a very convenient tool, and feeling no remorse for anything he's done to him.]] Can't forget that creepy smile at the beginning either...

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* In the beginning of the game, we see a cutscene of Xehanort leaving a dying Ventus on Destiny Islands, with Ven half naked and wrapped in a sheet. Later on, we find out that Ventus was dying on account of getting his heart ripped in half. Which he was fully clothed for. The horror here being, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything what happened between those two scenes that Xehanort felt taking off Ventus's clothing was a necessary step?]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil Especially considering Xehanort is clearly established as viewing Ventus as a very convenient tool, and feeling no remorse for anything he's done to him.]] him. Can't forget that creepy smile at the beginning either...either...
** Though it could be something less creepy (but still creepy, nonetheless) such as Vanitas trying to attack the helpless Ventus and damage/destroy his clothes.
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* Xehanort believes that light is overpowering the cosmic balance. ''Of course'' he does- he, like every other human, was born in the Realm of Light, which contains only a few shards of darkness. Even if he could somehow measure the [[EldritchLocation Realm of Darkness]] or the truly (D)ark creatures within, it would seem weaker to ''him'' because he lived in Light for years. Some scientist.
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* The nature of Lea and Ventus's brief interaction is more or less the opposite of interaction between Axel and Roxas in ''Days''. Lea and Ventus only interact a little, but they became fast friends and split up in friendly terms. Axel and Roxas had been friends for months, only for said friendship to tragically end after one or more PoorCommunicationKills and they split up ''not'' in friendly terms. Also, note that when Ventus lightly tries to prevent Lea from leaving, Lea looks at him over his shoulder and assures him that they will meet again because they're friends now. Ventus smiles in response and he becomes brighter than before. In contrast, when Axel tries to prevent Roxas from leaving, Roxas looks at him over his shoulder and coldly says no one would miss him, effectively ending their friendship. Axel is depressed and dejectedly says Roxas was wrong and that he (Axel) would miss him.
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* The VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon of the [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts first game]], End Of The World, had some parts of Snow White's, Cinderella's and Sleeping Beauty's worlds, that by now we know as Dwarf Woodlands, Castle of Dreams and Enchanted Dominion respectively. These three worlds are all next to each other, ''and'' next to Mirage Arena, where the teleport that links the save point with the main room works like the so-called "prison of the worlds" in End Of The World. This may lead us to think that Mirage Arena, Dwarf Woodlands, Castle of Dreams and Enchanted Dominion actually ''are'' End Of The World as it was in the beginning, since it's a chaotic mash-up of them. Now stop for a moment to think about one of the closest worlds to this mash-up: the fact that Radiant Garden was next to the then-future End Of The World creates a striking parallel with the fact that Hollow Bastion was also next to it in the first game, making the left half of the Birth By Sleep world map the past of the right half of the Kingdom Hearts world map, while the ''other'' world next to the then-future End Of The World is the world which became Castle Oblivion, that is ''the place Sora went to right after his visit to End Of The World'']], thus happening between the first KH and VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories.

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* The VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon of the [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI first game]], End Of The World, had some parts of Snow White's, Cinderella's and Sleeping Beauty's worlds, that by now we know as Dwarf Woodlands, Castle of Dreams and Enchanted Dominion respectively. These three worlds are all next to each other, ''and'' next to Mirage Arena, where the teleport that links the save point with the main room works like the so-called "prison of the worlds" in End Of The World. This may lead us to think that Mirage Arena, Dwarf Woodlands, Castle of Dreams and Enchanted Dominion actually ''are'' End Of The World as it was in the beginning, since it's a chaotic mash-up of them. Now stop for a moment to think about one of the closest worlds to this mash-up: the fact that Radiant Garden was next to the then-future End Of The World creates a striking parallel with the fact that Hollow Bastion was also next to it in the first game, making the left half of the Birth By Sleep world map the past of the right half of the Kingdom Hearts world map, while the ''other'' world next to the then-future End Of The World is the world which became Castle Oblivion, that is ''the place Sora went to right after his visit to End Of The World'']], thus happening between the first KH and VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories.



* ''KingdomHearts''[='=] subjects Cloud to {{Flanderization}}, which makes him basically nothing but an [[EmoTeen Emo]] [[strike:[[EmoTeen Teen]]]] [[EmoTeen Adult]] and [[LonersAreFreaks an unkind loner]] with hardly any justification, and making him just a hardly likable FlatCharacter that fans would only be happy to have because it's pure {{Fanservice}}. Now, while his perception of Cloud hasn't improved much, he may have found some reasoning behind all this in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'', no less. The ending credit sequence shows us [[spoiler:a moment with Zack, and a black feather flies close to him, which has already sprayed around the likely correct [[WildMassGuessing Wild Mass Guess]] that Sephiroth killed Zack in this continuity]]. Now, add to this all the implications during ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' that [[spoiler:Sephiroth is Cloud’s ''EnemyWithout'', and you can see QUITE a reason for Cloud wanting to keep everyone as far away as possible from him, and his stoicism being fueled by an immense sense of guilt, nonetheless.]] (Admitedly, this is a bit of WildMassGuessing on its own, but hey, you can see where I'm coming from, right?)

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* ''KingdomHearts''[='=] ''Franchise/KingdomHearts''[='=] subjects Cloud to {{Flanderization}}, which makes him basically nothing but an [[EmoTeen Emo]] [[strike:[[EmoTeen Teen]]]] [[EmoTeen Adult]] and [[LonersAreFreaks an unkind loner]] with hardly any justification, and making him just a hardly likable FlatCharacter that fans would only be happy to have because it's pure {{Fanservice}}. Now, while his perception of Cloud hasn't improved much, he may have found some reasoning behind all this in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'', no less. The ending credit sequence shows us [[spoiler:a moment with Zack, and a black feather flies close to him, which has already sprayed around the likely correct [[WildMassGuessing Wild Mass Guess]] that Sephiroth killed Zack in this continuity]]. Now, add to this all the implications during ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' that [[spoiler:Sephiroth is Cloud’s ''EnemyWithout'', and you can see QUITE a reason for Cloud wanting to keep everyone as far away as possible from him, and his stoicism being fueled by an immense sense of guilt, nonetheless.]] (Admitedly, this is a bit of WildMassGuessing on its own, but hey, you can see where I'm coming from, right?)



* This Troper had a bit of FridgeLogic over the new [[Disney/{{Pinocchio}} Monstro]] battle. Why is he in the ocean like the real Pinocchio instead of in space like KingdomHearts 1? Then it hit me; this is 10 years before KingdomHearts 1, Monstro could of easily gotten into space in that time.

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* This Troper had a bit of FridgeLogic over the new [[Disney/{{Pinocchio}} Monstro]] battle. Why is he in the ocean like the real Pinocchio instead of in space like KingdomHearts 1? ''Kingdom Hearts I''? Then it hit me; this is 10 years before KingdomHearts 1, ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI'', Monstro could of easily gotten into space in that time.



* It might seem odd that [[MusicalSpoiler "Another Side"]] plays during [[spoiler: Braig's second boss fight]], since Organization XIII hasn't been founded yet. Just a bit of {{Foreshadowing}}, right? [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsDreamDropDistance Wrong.]] The ''true'' Organization ''has'' been founded, and Braig's gold eye means he just became one of its members.]]

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* It might seem odd that [[MusicalSpoiler "Another Side"]] plays during [[spoiler: Braig's second boss fight]], since Organization XIII hasn't been founded yet. Just a bit of {{Foreshadowing}}, right? [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsDreamDropDistance [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance Wrong.]] The ''true'' Organization ''has'' been founded, and Braig's gold eye means he just became one of its members.]]
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* Abit of FridgeLogic, HarsherInHindsight and Foreshadowing. Take note in the beginning how Aqua's holding the Wayfinders. She has Terra's and Ven's together in one hand with hers alone in the other. [[spoiler: She ends up alone in the end, stranded in the Realm of Darkness, with Ven and Terra both lost in Castle Oblivion and to Xehanort respectively.]]

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* "Ventus is still working out the kinks of interdimensional travel." - So says the [[AllThereInTheManual guide book]]. This makes perfect sense in retrospect; Ven is still in-training. He wasn't supposed to leave home in the first place. He's lucky it only happened once.
* At the Castle of Dreams when you play as Aqua. You need to protect Jaq from the Unversed while he carries the key that'll unlock the door to free Cinderella. One may wonder, couldn't it have been a LOT easier of Aqua just used her Keyblade to unlock the door? She's trying to keep the Keyblade a secret. Whenever possible, a keyblade master should protected the order of the world they're visiting, which means keeping secret the nature of the world and the keyblade's power. Besides, she would still have to protect Jaq from the Unversed.
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* I know that it does say [[AllThereInTheManual in the guide book]] that Ven is still working out inter-dimensional travel when it comes to the Castle of Dreams, but it doesn't explain how come Cinderella refers to him as a "Strange little mouse". Then it hits me--Ven probably ''did'' transform into the appearance of a mouse as a result of his traveling and magic--but only to the eyes of the residents of that world. We--''[[FourthWall the players]]''--Are not affected by the magic at all, and we see him for who he truly is/what he normally looks like opposed to seeing him as a mouse like Cinderella and Jaq do.
** Improbable, because of Atlantica, Halloween Town, Timeless River, the Pride Lands, Space Paranoids, The Grid, and Country of the Musketeers. We could see the players transformed in those worlds (and Mickey and the others in the last case), so if Ven really did turn into an anthropomorphic mouse, then we'd see him as one. And don't forget that Cinderella herself is a Princess of Heart.

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If Tremaine had a heart of pure darkness, she would be just like Vanitas.


* I just got an amazing one: I was thinking about the end of BBS and how [[spoiler:each of the three main characters, at the end, wind up in a different realm - Aqua in the realm of darkness, Ventus at Castle Oblivion in the realm of in-between, and Terra (at least initially) at Radiant Garden in the realm of light.]] Then, out of nowhere, I suddenly remembered the original "The Gathering" promo video of them, where each of them takes up one of the three main keyblades - Aqua takes the Kingdom Key D for the realm of darkness, Ventus takes Way to Dawn for the realm of in-between (or balance between light and dark), and Terra takes the Kingdom Key for the realm of light! It all makes SENSE! 8D -- @/HakureiRyuu
* This troper was always annoyed by ''KingdomHearts''[='=] {{Flanderization}} of Cloud, which makes him basically nothing but an [[EmoTeen Emo]] [[strike:[[EmoTeen Teen]]]] [[EmoTeen Adult]] and [[LonersAreFreaks an unkind loner]] with hardly any justification, and making him just a hardly likable FlatCharacter that fans would only be happy to have because it's pure {{Fanservice}}. Now, while his perception of Cloud hasn't improved much, he may have found some reasoning behind all this in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'', no less. The ending credit sequence shows us [[spoiler:a moment with Zack, and a black feather flies close to him, which has already sprayed around the likely correct [[WildMassGuessing Wild Mass Guess]] that Sephiroth killed Zack in this continuity]]. Now, add to this all the implications during ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' that [[spoiler:Sephiroth is Cloud’s ''EnemyWithout'', and you can see QUITE a reason for Cloud wanting to keep everyone as far away as possible from him, and his stoicism being fueled by an immense sense of guilt, nonetheless.]] (Admitedly, this is a bit of WildMassGuessing on its own, but hey, you can see where I'm coming from, right?)
* This Troper recently realized that BBS's ''battle system'' is a case of this. The battle system's in the previous games, while playing as Sora/Riku/Roxas, were pretty straightforward with abilities simply complimenting a basic style of combat ([[UnexpectedGameplayChange Castle Oblivion aside]]). BBS's battle system on the other hand is extremely dynamic, relying on a combination of various techniques, spells and abilites to create an adaptive combat style. Not to mention the extra additions like evolving finishers, command styles and Shotlocks. At first, this may just seem like an altered gameplay to change things up, but in the context of the story, it makes perfect sense. Terra, Aqua and Ven had years of training compared to Sora and Riku who more or less taught themselves. This becomes especially apparent when you remember that Terra's lingering sentiment was pretty much the toughest boss we had ever faced, and in BBS you could learn pretty much all of his moves. The altered battle system is giving us an idea of what the Keyblade can ''really'' do.

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* I just got an amazing one: I was thinking about the end of BBS and how [[spoiler:each [[spoiler:Each of the three main characters, at the end, wind up in a different realm - Aqua in the realm of darkness, Ventus at Castle Oblivion in the realm of in-between, and Terra (at least initially) at Radiant Garden in the realm of light.]] Then, out of nowhere, I suddenly remembered the original "The Gathering" promo video of them, where each of them takes up one of the three main keyblades - Aqua takes the Kingdom Key D for the realm of darkness, Ventus takes Way to Dawn for the realm of in-between (or balance between light and dark), and Terra takes the Kingdom Key for the realm of light! It all makes SENSE! 8D -- @/HakureiRyuu
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* This troper was always annoyed by ''KingdomHearts''[='=] {{Flanderization}} of Cloud, subjects Cloud to {{Flanderization}}, which makes him basically nothing but an [[EmoTeen Emo]] [[strike:[[EmoTeen Teen]]]] [[EmoTeen Adult]] and [[LonersAreFreaks an unkind loner]] with hardly any justification, and making him just a hardly likable FlatCharacter that fans would only be happy to have because it's pure {{Fanservice}}. Now, while his perception of Cloud hasn't improved much, he may have found some reasoning behind all this in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'', no less. The ending credit sequence shows us [[spoiler:a moment with Zack, and a black feather flies close to him, which has already sprayed around the likely correct [[WildMassGuessing Wild Mass Guess]] that Sephiroth killed Zack in this continuity]]. Now, add to this all the implications during ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' that [[spoiler:Sephiroth is Cloud’s ''EnemyWithout'', and you can see QUITE a reason for Cloud wanting to keep everyone as far away as possible from him, and his stoicism being fueled by an immense sense of guilt, nonetheless.]] (Admitedly, this is a bit of WildMassGuessing on its own, but hey, you can see where I'm coming from, right?)
* This Troper recently realized that BBS's ''battle system'' is a case of this. The battle system's systems in the previous games, while playing as Sora/Riku/Roxas, were pretty straightforward with abilities simply complimenting a basic style of combat ([[UnexpectedGameplayChange Castle Oblivion aside]]). BBS's battle system on the other hand is extremely dynamic, relying on a combination of various techniques, spells and abilites to create an adaptive combat style. Not to mention the extra additions like evolving finishers, command styles and Shotlocks. At first, this may just seem like an altered gameplay to change things up, but in the context of the story, it makes perfect sense. Terra, Aqua and Ven had years of training compared to Sora and Riku who more or less taught themselves. This becomes especially apparent when you remember that Terra's lingering sentiment was pretty much the toughest boss we had ever faced, and in BBS you could learn pretty much all of his moves. The altered battle system is giving us an idea of what the Keyblade can ''really'' do.



** That doesn't really fly given what he can do in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII''. If you check out his physical and magical movesets, you'll see that Sora is outright spamming some of the more powerful techniques from BBS that required charge up times. Even if you don't take Drive Forms into account, Sora is significantly stronger and faster than Terra, Ven, or Aqua, and his Reaction Commands could only put him at a level above them.
** One word, Mana. While Sora MAY have stronger spells, his fighting style is not as refined. It's similar to how Xehanort can destroy a whole world with one move in a cutscene but he never uses it in a fight. why? It's AwesomeButImpractical to throw around. Which is probably why Sora ran out of mana in the first place, he was throwing everything he had. But then again, he IS TheHero.

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** That doesn't really fly given **In regards to what he Sora can do in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII''. If you check out his physical and magical movesets, you'll see that Sora ''II'', there is outright spamming some of the more powerful techniques from BBS that required charge up times. Even if you don't take Drive Forms into account, Sora is significantly stronger and faster than Terra, Ven, or Aqua, and his Reaction Commands could only put him at a level above them.
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one word, Mana.{{Mana}}. While Sora MAY have stronger spells, his fighting style is not as refined. It's similar to how Xehanort can destroy a whole world with one move in a cutscene but he never uses it in a fight. why? It's AwesomeButImpractical to throw around. Which is probably why Sora ran out of mana in the first place, he was throwing everything he had. But then again, he IS TheHero.



* Sora caused everything. No, really. Alright, Master Xehanort might've had a more obvious hand in everything, ''but'', [[spoiler: had Sora not fused his heart to Ven's, Ven would have died. Had he not taken the alive - but nearly comatose - Ven to the Land of Departure, Xehanort might not have ever never returned there. Thus, he might never have met Terra, and thus never have decided to use Terra as his vessel for his GrandTheftMe scheme. True, as the secret ending hinted, he had other options, but Sora's interference changed things.]]
** I see your reasoning, but it's poor logic. [[spoiler: Sora's heart was newborn, reaching out to help someone in need. He changed the circumstances, but Xehanort was the one who took advantage of them. Like you said, he had other options. Who's to say he wouldn't have eventually crossed paths with Eraqus and sensed Terra's darkness? Not only that, Vanitas was activly trying to cultivate Aqua as a possible replacement for Ven, so even if Ven had died there still would have been reason to involve her. If Sora hadn't stepped in it would NOT have meant Terra and Aqua would have been spared from Xehanort's plots.]] The ''cause'', the reason things escalated and unfolded in spite of the shifting situation was Xehanort, pure and simple. Sora's intervention just facilitated things.
* There's a noose hanging from the tree in Neverland. There are only two Lost Boys. These boys are nowhere to be seen in the other games. These are dots you don't want to connect.
** ...[[SkywardScream HOOOOOK!]]
** I... think that might count as FridgeHorror.
** That's what it was listed as before it was moved here.
** Someone hasn't watched Peter Pan lately! The Lost Boys' hideout has always been the Hangman's Tree. They even use the noose to open the door in the movie.

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* Sora caused everything. No, really. Alright, Master Xehanort might've had a more obvious hand in everything, ''but'', [[spoiler: had Sora not fused his heart to Ven's, Ven would have died. Had he Xehanort not taken the alive - but nearly comatose - Ven to the Land of Departure, Xehanort might not have ever never returned there. Thus, he might never have met Terra, and thus never have decided to use Terra as his vessel for his GrandTheftMe scheme. True, as the secret ending hinted, he had other options, but Sora's interference changed things.]]
** I see your reasoning, but it's poor logic. [[spoiler: Sora's heart was newborn, reaching out to help someone in need. He changed the circumstances, but Xehanort was the one who took advantage of them. Like you said, he had other options. Who's to say he wouldn't have eventually crossed paths with Eraqus and sensed Terra's darkness? Not only that, Vanitas was activly trying to cultivate Aqua as a possible replacement for Ven, so even if Ven had died there still would have been reason to involve her. If Sora hadn't stepped in it would NOT have meant Terra and Aqua would have been spared from Xehanort's plots.]] The ''cause'', the reason things escalated and unfolded in spite of the shifting situation was Xehanort, pure and simple. Sora's intervention just facilitated things.
* There's a noose hanging from the tree in Neverland. There are only two Lost Boys. These boys are nowhere to be seen in the other games. These are dots you don't want to connect.
** ...[[SkywardScream HOOOOOK!]]
** I... think that might count as FridgeHorror.
** That's what it was listed as before it was moved here.
** Someone hasn't watched Peter Pan lately! The Lost Boys' hideout has always been the Hangman's Tree. They even use the noose to open the door in the movie.
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* There's a good reason why the Fairy Godmother won't allow Aqua to assassinate Lady Tremaine : [[spoiler: Aqua plans to use light to fight her, and she apparently has a heart of pure darkness. So if she clashes with Lady Tremaine, then she would end up recreating the χ-blade very early on]]. The Fairy Godmother knew about this, and, [[spoiler: not wanting a Keyblade War in her home world]], told Aqua to stop before she even begins. It's not just the major characters who'd know this horrible knowledge, as the Fairy Godmother (and King Triton) seem to know, too.
** Alternatively, consider this: Aqua was about to charge into the Tremaine household with the full intention of harming (and possibly ''killing'') three people who, horribleness towards Cinderella aside, really haven't done anything. The Fairy Godmother might have intervened not just to help Cinderella, but to prevent Aqua from turning into a KnightTemplar. Her sending Aqua to help Jaq could've been her way of showing Aqua that there are other ways of protecting the light aside from simply "destroying the darkness", and her speech about light and darkness going hand-in-hand could have been her way of warning Aqua that she could [[JumpedOffTheSlipperySlope take her dedication to protecting the Realm of Light too far]] if she's not careful.

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* There's a good reason why the Fairy Godmother won't allow Aqua to assassinate Lady Tremaine : [[spoiler: Aqua plans to use light to fight her, and she apparently has a heart of pure darkness. So if she clashes with Lady Tremaine, then she would end up recreating the χ-blade very early on]]. The Fairy Godmother knew about this, and, [[spoiler: not wanting a Keyblade War in her home world]], told Aqua to stop before she even begins. It's not just the major characters who'd know this horrible knowledge, as the Fairy Godmother (and King Triton) seem to know, too.
** Alternatively, consider this:
Tremaine. Aqua was about to charge into the Tremaine household with the full intention of harming (and possibly ''killing'') three people who, horribleness towards Cinderella aside, really haven't done anything. The Fairy Godmother might have intervened not just to help Cinderella, but to prevent Aqua from turning into a KnightTemplar. Her sending Aqua to help Jaq could've been her way of showing Aqua that there are other ways of protecting the light aside from simply "destroying the darkness", and her speech about light and darkness going hand-in-hand could have been her way of warning Aqua that she could [[JumpedOffTheSlipperySlope take her dedication to protecting the Realm of Light too far]] if she's not careful.



* The Keyblade Armor is where the defensive stat in the games comes from and why every protagonist is MadeOfIron. As a Keyblade Wielder gets stronger, the armor becomes more and more defensive and thus able to block stronger and stronger attacks, just like the Keyblade itself becomes capable of causing more and more damage. Even if the person does not manifest it or aren't currently wearing it, the Keyblade Armor still protects them, which is also why the Keyblade Armor doesn't increase their defense against direct attacks for the protagonists in Birth By Sleep when they are wearing it, it's already protecting them as much as it can, wearing the armor only protects them from free floating and nondirected darkness rather than from deliberate attack by it. In other words, the [[ArmorIsUseless Keyblade Armor only seems useless,]] it's not actually useless.

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* The Keyblade Armor is where the defensive stat in the games comes from and why every protagonist is MadeOfIron.MadeOfIron; they actually have SuperToughness. As a Keyblade Wielder gets stronger, the armor becomes more and more defensive and thus able to block stronger and stronger attacks, just like the Keyblade itself becomes capable of causing more and more damage. Even if the person does not manifest it or aren't currently wearing it, the Keyblade Armor still protects them, which is also why the Keyblade Armor doesn't increase their defense against direct attacks for the protagonists in Birth ''Birth By Sleep Sleep'' when they are wearing it, it's already protecting them as much as it can, wearing the armor only protects them from free floating and nondirected darkness rather than from deliberate attack by it. In other words, the [[ArmorIsUseless Keyblade Armor only seems useless,]] it's not actually useless.



* I was wondering just why [[spoiler: Aqua is locked into using the Master's Defender in the Secret Episode when she has several Keychains she could use. However, after a trip to the fridge, I realized why: Throughout her adventure, when she acquired Keychains, they linked themselves with the Rainfell/Stormfall, her current Keyblade. When she sacrificed the Stormfall to save Terra-Xehanort, she lost the other Keychains in the process. As such, she has no other Keychain to replace that of the Master's Defender.]]

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* I was wondering just Wondering why [[spoiler: Aqua is locked into using the Master's Defender in the Secret Episode when she has several Keychains she could use. However, after a trip to the fridge, I realized why: use? Throughout her adventure, when she acquired Keychains, they linked themselves with the Rainfell/Stormfall, her current Keyblade. When she sacrificed the Stormfall to save Terra-Xehanort, she lost the other Keychains in the process. As such, she has no other Keychain to replace that of the Master's Defender.]]

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* Possessed!Zack is fought only once, in Terra's storyline, and after the fight he breaks out of possession. But he also shows up in the Mirage Arena, where he's still possessed, fights alongside his possessor Hades, and can be fought as many times as you want...
** Look again: ''Mirage'' Arena. [[ActuallyADoombot That's not really Zack.]]
* In the beginning of the game, we see a cutscene of Xehanort leaving a dying Ventus on Destiny Islands, with Ven half naked and wrapped in a sheet. Later on, we find out that Ventus was dying on account of getting his heart ripped in half. Which he was fully clothed for. The horror here being, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything what happened between those two scenes that Xehanort felt taking off Ventus's clothing was a necessary step?]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil Especially considering Xehanort is clearly established as viewing Ventus as a very convenient tool, and feeling no remorse for anything he's done to him.]]
** Can't forget that creepy smile at the beginning either...

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* Possessed!Zack is fought only once, in Terra's storyline, and after the fight he breaks out of possession. But he also shows up in the Mirage Arena, where he's still possessed, fights alongside his possessor Hades, and can be fought as many times as you want...
** Look again: ''Mirage'' Arena. [[ActuallyADoombot That's not really Zack.]]
* In the beginning of the game, we see a cutscene of Xehanort leaving a dying Ventus on Destiny Islands, with Ven half naked and wrapped in a sheet. Later on, we find out that Ventus was dying on account of getting his heart ripped in half. Which he was fully clothed for. The horror here being, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything what happened between those two scenes that Xehanort felt taking off Ventus's clothing was a necessary step?]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil Especially considering Xehanort is clearly established as viewing Ventus as a very convenient tool, and feeling no remorse for anything he's done to him.]]
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]] Can't forget that creepy smile at the beginning either...



* [[spoiler:The χ-Blade. χ is the first letter of the Greek spelling of Christ, and the Keychain resembles the symbol of the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven--which are also represented by the Kingdom Key (silver-shafted key) and Kingdom Key-D (gold-shafted key) that open '''Kingdom''' Hearts. Basically, all the meaningless symbolism--and several things which didn't even look like it--have been transformed into half-obvious references to Catholicism.]] And [[TheChessmaster Nomura]] ''didn't'' [[CrazyPrepared plan]] [[ContrivedCoincidence this]] [[XanatosSpeedChess out]] from the beginning?

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* [[spoiler:The χ-Blade. χ is the first letter of the Greek spelling of Christ, and the Keychain resembles the symbol of the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven--which are also represented by the Kingdom Key (silver-shafted key) and Kingdom Key-D (gold-shafted key) that open '''Kingdom''' Hearts. Basically, all the meaningless symbolism--and several things which didn't even look like it--have been transformed into half-obvious references to Catholicism.]] And [[TheChessmaster Nomura]] ''didn't'' [[CrazyPrepared plan]] [[ContrivedCoincidence this]] [[XanatosSpeedChess out]] from the beginning?



* You know how every main game has a fight with the reflection of the character at the Awakening taking form of the enemy introduced in said game? ''Birth by Sleep'' notably doesn't do this until you learn that [[spoiler:it DOES, only at the end of the game instead of the beginning. Vanitas is fought at Ventus' Awakening and is his EnemyWithout.]]

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* You know how every main game has a fight with the reflection of the character at the Awakening taking the form of the enemy introduced in said game? ''Birth by Sleep'' notably doesn't do this until you learn that [[spoiler:it DOES, only at the end of the game instead of the beginning. Vanitas is fought at Ventus' Awakening and is his EnemyWithout.]]



** If you look closely Pete had his hand outstretched with the fist open. He was holding it out with the expectation that Minnie was about to give him the prize. Also he withdrew his hand ''before'' he was banished.



** During Birth by Sleep, Ventus met Peter Pan - Peter Pan never shows up in ''Days'' at all. Peter Pan would most ''definitely'' recognize Roxas as "Ven", and unlike Tinker Bell would be able to spoil crucial details to the audience. On top of that, Captain Hook is present in ''Days'', but note how the ''never'' turns around to see Roxas at all. Roxas looks exactly like Ven - and Captain Hook would ''immediately'' recognise him as the person who kicked his ass ten years ago. Puts a whole new perspective on Neverland's involvement, doesn't it?
* Hey guys, think about this ''awesome'' piece of FridgeBrilliance. The VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon of the [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts first game]], End Of The World, had some parts of Snow White's, Cinderella's and Sleeping Beauty's worlds, that by now we know as Dwarf Woodlands, Castle of Dreams and Enchanted Dominion respectively. These three worlds are all next to each other, ''and'' next to Mirage Arena, where the teleport that links the save point with the main room works pretty much like the so-called "prison of the worlds" in End Of The World. This may lead us to think that Mirage Arena, Dwarf Woodlands, Castle of Dreams and Enchanted Dominion actually ''are'' End Of The World as it was in the beginning, since it's pretty much a chaotic mash-up of them. Now stop for a moment to think about one of the closest worlds to this mash-up: the fact that Radiant Garden was next to the then-future End Of The World creates a striking parallel with the fact that Hollow Bastion was also next to it in the first game, making the left half of the Birth By Sleep world map the past of the right half of the Kingdom Hearts world map, while the ''other'' world next to the then-future End Of The World is the world which became Castle Oblivion, that is ''the place Sora went to right after his visit to End Of The World'']], thus happening between the first KH and VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories.

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** During Birth by Sleep, Ventus met Peter Pan - Peter Pan never shows up in ''Days'' at all. Peter Pan would most ''definitely'' recognize Roxas as "Ven", and unlike Tinker Bell would be able to spoil crucial details to the audience. On top of that, Captain Hook is present in ''Days'', but note how the he ''never'' turns around to see Roxas at all. Roxas looks exactly like Ven - and Captain Hook would ''immediately'' recognise him as the person who kicked his ass ten years ago. Puts a whole new perspective on Neverland's involvement, doesn't it?
* Hey guys, think about this ''awesome'' piece of FridgeBrilliance. The VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon of the [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts first game]], End Of The World, had some parts of Snow White's, Cinderella's and Sleeping Beauty's worlds, that by now we know as Dwarf Woodlands, Castle of Dreams and Enchanted Dominion respectively. These three worlds are all next to each other, ''and'' next to Mirage Arena, where the teleport that links the save point with the main room works pretty much like the so-called "prison of the worlds" in End Of The World. This may lead us to think that Mirage Arena, Dwarf Woodlands, Castle of Dreams and Enchanted Dominion actually ''are'' End Of The World as it was in the beginning, since it's pretty much a chaotic mash-up of them. Now stop for a moment to think about one of the closest worlds to this mash-up: the fact that Radiant Garden was next to the then-future End Of The World creates a striking parallel with the fact that Hollow Bastion was also next to it in the first game, making the left half of the Birth By Sleep world map the past of the right half of the Kingdom Hearts world map, while the ''other'' world next to the then-future End Of The World is the world which became Castle Oblivion, that is ''the place Sora went to right after his visit to End Of The World'']], thus happening between the first KH and VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories.



*** [[spoiler: The problem is, Olympus Colliseum, Disney Town/Castle and Neverland are basically in exactly the wrong position for this Fridge Brilliance to work. On the other hand, it's never explicitly said that the ways between the worlds in ''KHI'' are the same as the LanesBetween, plus the worlds ''could'' have been drifting around since ''BBS''.]]



*** Um, what I meant was, while Disney town was in the far left in Kh1 it's next to Radiant Garden in BBS. and while Neverland was next to Hollow Bastion in the first game, It's on the far right of the world map in BBS. So, I guess Olympus Colosseum is in the right place, but for this fridge brilliance, Disney Town and Neverland would have to be switched.
*** Remember in Kingdom Hearts 1, after you rescue Kairi? Cid says the former gummi ship path to Hollow Bastion is too dangerous to take... so he shows you a back door that leads straight to it from Traverse Town. Now, Disney Castle is right beside Traverse Town, so if one looked at the map from the new path's perspective... then it would appear that Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden really IS right beside Disney Castle. It would make sense too, how Cid would bring the refugees to the closest world and then close off the path, thus making anyone who wanted to follow have to take the long way around. The Fridge Brilliance works!
*** But why would Olympus Collosseum and Neverland still be in the other side? (That and I'd always thought that back door sort of went "around" the other worlds, considering the way it sort of went off the edge of the world map in the first game.)
*** Because in ''KHI'' even though the world map says Neverland, you only actually go to Hook's ship in the middle of the ocean and Big Ben. Even then you can only go to Big Ben (initially) because of Tinker Bell. That would mean that Sora and co. never actually travel to the real Neverland (though Roxas does)
** I think this whole issue about the locations of the worlds can be summed up with this: The worlds ''move'', just like planet in the Solar System, worlds move acording to certain trajectories.
*** To add further proof to one point in my Fridge Brilliance: I said that Mirage Arena is the basis for the "prisons of the worlds" section of End Of The World, right? And guess who's the resident, this-world-only Unversed [[ThatOneBoss bo]][[BonusBoss ss]]? '''[[MeaningfulName Iron Imprisoner.]]'''

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*** Um, what I meant was, while Disney town was in the far left in Kh1 it's next to Radiant Garden in BBS. and while Neverland was next to Hollow Bastion in the first game, It's on the far right of the world map in BBS. So, I guess Olympus Colosseum is in the right place, but for this fridge brilliance, Disney Town and Neverland would have to be switched.
*** Remember in Kingdom Hearts 1, after you rescue Kairi? Cid says the former gummi ship path to Hollow Bastion is too dangerous to take... so he shows you a back door that leads straight to it from Traverse Town. Now, Disney Castle is right beside Traverse Town, so if one looked at the map from the new path's perspective... then it would appear that Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden really IS right beside Disney Castle. It would make sense too, how Cid would bring the refugees to the closest world and then close off the path, thus making anyone who wanted to follow have to take the long way around. The Fridge Brilliance works!
*** But why would Olympus Collosseum and Neverland still be in the other side? (That and I'd always thought that back door sort of went "around" the other worlds, considering the way it sort of went off the edge of the world map in the first game.)
*** Because in
works! [[note]] n ''KHI'' even though the world map says Neverland, you only actually go to Hook's ship in the middle of the ocean and Big Ben. Even then you can only go to Big Ben (initially) because of Tinker Bell. That would mean that Sora and co. never actually travel to the real Neverland (though Roxas does)
** I think this whole issue about the locations of the worlds can be summed up with this: The worlds ''move'', just like planet in the Solar System, worlds move acording to certain trajectories.
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*** To add further proof to one point in my Fridge Brilliance: I said that proof....Mirage Arena is the basis for the "prisons of the worlds" section of End Of The World, right? And guess who's the resident, this-world-only Unversed [[ThatOneBoss bo]][[BonusBoss ss]]? '''[[MeaningfulName Iron Imprisoner.]]'''

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* Why ''was'' Ventus the size of a mouse for his portion of Castle of Dreams? At least Aqua had an excuse...
** "Ventus is still working out the kinks of interdimensional travel." - So says the [[AllThereInTheManual guide book]].
* All three storylines happen parallel each other, you just explore different parts of each world at different times with each protagonist. This creates some problems though, when some areas are inaccessible in one storyline due to a barrier of some kind that gets destroyed in another storyline. Logically, this should mean that once Aqua opens a closed door in an area that Terra and Ven couldn't open, revisiting as any of them should allow access. The game is inconsistent about how it handles these things, but usually this does not occur. For example, in the Enchanted Dominion, during Aqua's trip she destroys parts of the castle with Prince Phillip. Ven's first visit to this world occurs before Aqua's, but when he returns later the parts of the castle that Aqua destroys are now down. However, in Maleficent's throne room, the dark portal to the dungeons that appeared in Aqua's story does not appear for Ven. Why? The InsurmountableWaistHighFence--Ven can't go into the area of the dungeons that portal comes out at. As well, in Terra's story there's a dark barrier blocking entry to Maleficent's domain. It gets dispelled in Ven's story but will be there forever in Terra's.
** The reason for that is that most of the time Terra gets to the world first (there are certain exceptions) and does whatever. Then Ven comes in chasing him. Then Aqua after the two of them. Aqua's entire story is built on keeping an eye on Terra and dragging Ven back. It's not that hard to miss and even after you clear each story, you can view the timeline in the extras menu to piece it together.
* The InsurmountableWaistHighFence is itself, Fridge Logic. Often there are barriers blocking passage, but as explained above they get taken down. In fact, between all three storylines you'll get to explore every area of every world with at least one character. However, when you attempt to enter an area your character isn't supposed to go, they simply ''refuse to continue'', stating "there's nothing important this way" or something similar. There is just no reason at all in the storyline for the characters not being able to travel the worlds fully, and in fact, as detailed above, being able to revisit worlds to see what has changed since your allies have been there after you would add incentive to retrace your steps. Were the developers just dead set on not letting us explore freely?
** The intent I believe was to give the players something new to see at each world, to help break up the monotony of having to go through the same worlds 3 times. YMMV on whether it really worked.
* At the Castle of Dreams when you play as Aqua. You need to protect Jaq from the Unversed while he carries the key that'll unlock the door to free Cinderella. Couldn't it have been a LOT easier of Aqua just used her Keyblade to unlock the door?
** Aqua still needed to protect Jaq from the Unversed. Also, probably to keep the keyblade a secret: only Jaq knew about it and he still does not recognise it as an object of great power. It's better if less people knew about it (in-universe) and Aqua wouldn't risk to lose its secrecy to Cinderella.
** Looking back at that scene, Aqua summons her Keyblade when she said she'll help Jaq. She probably was going to simply use that, but then Unversed show up and her focus shifts to protecting Jaq.
* Why does Eraqus refer to the Land of Departure as a neutral ground between light and darkness when he can't tolerate any more than a minimal amount of darkness? He absolutely hates that stuff! And if his world is so in between, wouldn't he train keyblade wielders in a more light based world instead?
** He couldn't train them somewhere else because there always needs to be a Keyblade master at the Land of Departure to keep the forces of Darkness from using it as a base to take over the realm of Light. The other Keyblade Masters before Aqua became one were Yen Sid (who has his own job looking out over the worlds), Mickey (who has his job as the King of Disney Town, and probably wasn't a Master at the time, anyway) and Xehanort (who no one should let anywhere near such a valuable place, ever). As for why he refers to it as such when he can't tolerate darkness... well, it ''is'' a place between light and darkness. Can't change that, can he?
* How did Braig explain his injuries, and who helped him bandage himself? Could he have trusted any of them with the truth? How much does Even really know, and how could he tell just by looking at Ven (besides foreshadowing/for the audience)?
* The Keyblade inheritance ceremony. From a glance, it makes since, with the current Keyblade wielder choosing a successor to one day wield it's blade, and it can also be done accidentally by someone else just holding the Keyblade. All this makes sense so far... expect for the fact that [[spoiler: Terra's Keyblade looks nothing like it does when Sora / Riku wields it.]] Even if we give the benefit of the doubt that the Keyblade takes on a new form that better fits the new wielders personality, there's still the fact that [[spoiler: in ''Kingdom Hearts II'', Sora confronts Terra / Lingering Will as a BonusBoss, who still wields his Keyblade despite the fact that ''Sora is wielding his Keyblade right in front of him''!]] Then there's the Keyblades that seemingly pop up out of nowhere, like [[spoiler: Riku's]], (possibly) Xion's, and [[spoiler: giving the benefit of the doubt that the Keyblade Riku hands Kairi in ''Kingdom Hearts II'' isn't Aqua's, Kairi's]]. If the Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony is the way Keyblade wielders become Keyblade wielders, then where the heck do all these other Keyblades that pop into existence come from? And why can the person who passed down their Keyblade still wield their Keyblade along side the apparent duplicate Keyblade that comes into existence when the ceremony is preformed without causing a RealityBreakingParadox?
** I always figured that the inheritance ceremony simply marks someone as a potential wielder of ''their own'' Keyblade someday, not that they would ''literally'' inherit their predecessor's blade. Otherwise Eraqus wouldn't have been able to train Terra, Aqua, and Ven at the same time.
** The Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony is not a literal passing down of an individual's keyblade, otherwise the numbers of wielders could only decline as time went on and wielders failed. Rather, it is a ceremony to choose someone to receive their own keyblade someday - the passing on of one's own keyblade is merely symbolic of this. You need to remember both the origins of the keyblade and the words of the ceremony. "In your hand, take this Key. So long as you have the makings, then through this simple act of taking, it's wielder you shall one day be." A wielder offers "a keyblade" so that one day the successor might be a wielder of "the Keyblade". All keyblade wielders have "a keyblade", but they are all wielders of "the Keyblade", in the sense that all swordsmen are wielders of "the Sword". The form it takes in their hands is determined by their hearts or destinies, and not by the one they took in their ceremony.
* Abit of FridgeLogic, HarsherInHindsight and Foreshadowing. Take note in the beginning how Aqua's holding the Wayfinders. She has Terra's and Ven's together in one hand with hers alone in the other. [[spoiler: She ends up alone in the end, stranded in the Realm of Darkness, with Ven and Terra both lost in Castle Oblivion and to Xehanort respectively.]]



* Well, more like Fridge Despair. The end montage of all the worlds that had been visited becomes a lot less happy when you remember that only about half of them will make it to ''[=KH1=]'' unscathed. At least we know they get better thanks to Sora and company.

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* Well, This one is more like Fridge Despair. The end montage of all the worlds that had been visited becomes a lot less happy when you remember that only about half of them will make it to ''[=KH1=]'' unscathed. At least we know they get better thanks to Sora and company.



** [[spoiler: It's not the fact that he's made of darkness that makes Vanitas evil. It's a combination of being mistreated by Xehanort and existential rage.]]
* In Cinderella's world, Ven basically took over all roles that Gus had in the actual movie. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse So, what happened to Gus?]]
** Or other mice for that matter. The same reason Christopher Robin is not adapted. Sora took over the role instead. Don't need to think too hard on that.
* There's a very good reason NeverSayDie is averted in this game. Remember this games occurs before Xehanort begins his experiments on the Heartless and they invade the realm of light. The Heartless stole hearts from their victims, but the Unversed are just monsters, sure they feed on negative emotions but it's never shown they were stealing hearts or transforming other people into Unversed, in fact the latter would go against their creation story. Never Say Die is averted because ''death is what actually happens to victims of Unversed''. Losing your heart to a Heartless and being transformed into one is unheard of in this world, "death" is the only way to describe what occurs to people who, well, die.
** Remember in the first ''Kingdom Hearts'' and its sequel, when you lost Sora was shown floating in a black void with his heart hovering over him. ''Birth By Sleep'' shows you floating in a black void, no heart overheard. Think about what has ''actually'' happened to your character when they run of out HP in this game with the knowledge that the Unversed have no interest in taking your heart...

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** [[spoiler: It's not the fact that he's made of darkness that makes Vanitas evil. It's a combination of being mistreated by Xehanort and existential rage.]]
* In Cinderella's world, Ven basically took over all roles that Gus had in the actual movie. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse So, what happened to Gus?]]
** Or
Gus?]] For that matter, where are the other mice for that matter. mice? The same Doylist reason Christopher Robin is not adapted. that Sora took over the role instead. Don't need to think too hard on that.
instead; they were adapated out. The Watsonian reason is still missing.
* There's a very good reason NeverSayDie is averted in this game. Remember this games occurs before Xehanort begins his experiments on the Heartless and they invade the realm of light. The Heartless stole hearts from their victims, but the Unversed are just monsters, sure monsters. Sure they feed on negative emotions but it's never shown they were stealing hearts or transforming other people into Unversed, in fact the latter would go against their creation story. Never Say Die is averted because ''death is what actually happens to victims of Unversed''. Losing your heart to a Heartless and being transformed into one is unheard of in this world, "death" is the only way to describe what occurs to people who, well, die.
** Remember in the first ''Kingdom Hearts'' and its sequel, when you lost Sora was shown floating in a black void with his heart hovering over him. ''Birth By Sleep'' shows you floating in a black void, no heart overheard. Think about what has ''actually'' happened to your character when they run of out HP in this game with the knowledge that the Unversed have no interest in taking your their heart...



* Been on my mind since the game's Japanese release, but what if Lady Tremaine and her daughters actually succeeded in harming, or worse, ''killing'' Cinderella? Considering that she's a Princess of Heart, and the trio's hearts are now 100% darkness, this clash could've ended up creating the χ-Blade very early on, even though Cinderella didn't fight back, nor did any of them use Keyblades (though Aqua was present). Chances are unlikely, though, but there's still a chance. Not only that, Cinderella's murder would've resulted in unspeakable chaos (unless her pure heart reincarnated into another girl). Who knows what would've happened if it were not for Aqua pulling a BigDamnHeroes moment.
** Her fate remains ambitious, but what if Lady Tremaine didn't go directly to Hell? The Castle of Dreams is one of the first known worlds destroyed (alongside Radiant Garden and, possibly, Space Paranoids), as the Final Mix version reveals. And it's confirmed that the Heartless existed before the Unversed, and it's possible for one to be turned into a Pureblood. That's right: Lady Tremaine (and possibly her daughters) didn't perish; they were ''turned into Heartless'', and [[{{Revenge}} captured Cinderella]] and [[OmnicidalManiac intentionally destroyed their world (and then possibly millions of others)]] as payback! Bonus points if they became Darksides. More bonus points if they were the Darksides Sora fought in the first game (as one destroyed ''his'' world)!

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* Been on my mind since the game's Japanese release, but what What if Lady Tremaine and her daughters actually succeeded in harming, or worse, ''killing'' Cinderella? Considering that she's a Princess of Heart, and the trio's hearts are now 100% darkness, this clash could've ended up creating the χ-Blade very early on, even though Cinderella didn't fight back, nor did any of them use Keyblades (though Aqua was present). Chances are unlikely, though, but there's still a chance. Not only that, Cinderella's murder would've resulted in unspeakable chaos (unless her pure heart reincarnated into another girl). Who knows what would've happened if it were not for Aqua pulling a BigDamnHeroes moment.
** Her fate remains ambitious, but what if Lady Tremaine didn't go directly to Hell? The Castle of Dreams is one of the first known worlds destroyed (alongside Radiant Garden and, possibly, Space Paranoids), as the Final Mix version reveals. And it's It's confirmed that the Heartless existed before the Unversed, and it's possible for one to be turned into a Pureblood. That's right: Lady Tremaine (and possibly her daughters) didn't perish; they were ''turned into Heartless'', and [[{{Revenge}} captured Cinderella]] and [[OmnicidalManiac intentionally destroyed their world (and then possibly millions of others)]] as payback! Bonus points if they became Darksides. More bonus points if they were the Darksides Sora fought in the first game (as one destroyed ''his'' world)!
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** Her fate remains ambitious, but what if Lady Tremaine? The Castle of Dreams is one of the first known worlds destroyed (alongside Radiant Garden and, possibly, Space Paranoids), as the Final Mix version reveals. And it's confirmed that the Heartless existed before the Unversed, and it's possible for one to be turned into a Pureblood. That's right: Lady Tremaine (and possibly her daughters) didn't perish; they were ''turned into Heartless'', and [[{{Revenge}} captured Cinderella]] and [[OmnicidalManiac intentionally destroyed their world (and then possibly millions of others)]] as payback! Bonus points if they became Darksides. More bonus points if they were the Darksides Sora fought in the first game (as one destroyed ''his'' world)!

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** Her fate remains ambitious, but what if Lady Tremaine? Tremaine didn't go directly to Hell? The Castle of Dreams is one of the first known worlds destroyed (alongside Radiant Garden and, possibly, Space Paranoids), as the Final Mix version reveals. And it's confirmed that the Heartless existed before the Unversed, and it's possible for one to be turned into a Pureblood. That's right: Lady Tremaine (and possibly her daughters) didn't perish; they were ''turned into Heartless'', and [[{{Revenge}} captured Cinderella]] and [[OmnicidalManiac intentionally destroyed their world (and then possibly millions of others)]] as payback! Bonus points if they became Darksides. More bonus points if they were the Darksides Sora fought in the first game (as one destroyed ''his'' world)!world)!
** If the idea of Princesses of Heart passing on their light to another girl without dying, which ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII'' implies, is true, then it is clear that Cinderella just ''became'' a Princess. Unlike Aurora, Snow White, or Kairi, no one commented that her heart was pure light. This adds [[CreateYourOwnVillain another layer into her stepfamily suddenly becoming 100% darkness]].
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* When facing Maleficent as Ven, she actually makes use of her sleeping curse as an attack. Why doesn't she use this in any of the other games? Well, she said right before her bossfight that "I was asked to bring you unharmed...", so it makes sense that she'd use it to ensure she could take Ven out without much of a fight. Not to mention it seems to rely on being charged to be used, and compared to her meteors attack in Kingdom Hearts 1, it'd be unreliable when she was getting wacked away by a Keyblade.
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* Just as ‘'[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsCoded Re:coded]]'' let us experience a boss battle against [[spoiler: Roxas]], previously only seen in the [[NoExportForYou Final Mix]] version of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', the [[BonusBoss bonus bosses]] in BBS seem to be [[AuthorsSavingThrow another apology to us non-japanese fans]] by Creator/TetsuyaNomura. Think about it: [[spoiler: Vanitas' Lingering Spirit]] standing for [[spoiler: Terra's Lingering Spirit]] (both fought at Keyblade Graveyard with the former even being accessed through an orb similar to [[spoiler: Org. XIII's [[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Absent_Silhouette "Absent Silhouettes"]]]]) seen in ''Final Mix (KHII)'', and [[spoiler: the Unknown (BBS)]] standing for [[spoiler: Xemnas]] as fought in ''Final Mix (KHI).

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* Just as ‘'[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsCoded ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsCoded Re:coded]]'' let us experience a boss battle against [[spoiler: Roxas]], previously only seen in the [[NoExportForYou Final Mix]] version of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', the [[BonusBoss bonus bosses]] in BBS seem to be [[AuthorsSavingThrow another apology to us non-japanese fans]] by Creator/TetsuyaNomura. Think about it: [[spoiler: Vanitas' Lingering Spirit]] standing for [[spoiler: Terra's Lingering Spirit]] (both fought at Keyblade Graveyard with the former even being accessed through an orb similar to [[spoiler: Org. XIII's [[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Absent_Silhouette "Absent Silhouettes"]]]]) seen in ''Final Mix (KHII)'', and [[spoiler: the Unknown (BBS)]] standing for [[spoiler: Xemnas]] as fought in ''Final Mix (KHI).
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*** As [[Tropers/AlexSora89 I]] said in this WallOfText-like FridgeBrilliance, it's like the world map of ''BBS'' literally mirrors the one from the first game. Disney Castle and Olympus Colosseum were in the left edge of the world map in the first game. ''BBS'' places them in the right edge.

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*** As [[Tropers/AlexSora89 I]] said in this WallOfText-like FridgeBrilliance, it's It’s like the world map of ''BBS'' literally mirrors the one from the first game. Disney Castle and Olympus Colosseum were in the left edge of the world map in the first game. ''BBS'' places them in the right edge.



*** Hi, it's still [[Tropers/AlexSora89 me]], again. To add further proof to one point in my Fridge Brilliance: I said that Mirage Arena is the basis for the "prisons of the worlds" section of End Of The World, right? And guess who's the resident, this-world-only Unversed [[ThatOneBoss bo]][[BonusBoss ss]]? '''[[MeaningfulName Iron Imprisoner.]]'''

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*** Hi, it's still [[Tropers/AlexSora89 me]], again. To add further proof to one point in my Fridge Brilliance: I said that Mirage Arena is the basis for the "prisons of the worlds" section of End Of The World, right? And guess who's the resident, this-world-only Unversed [[ThatOneBoss bo]][[BonusBoss ss]]? '''[[MeaningfulName Iron Imprisoner.]]'''



* [[Tropers/{{Alexlayer}} This troper]] was always annoyed by ''KingdomHearts''[='=] {{Flanderization}} of Cloud, which makes him basically nothing but an [[EmoTeen Emo]] [[strike:[[EmoTeen Teen]]]] [[EmoTeen Adult]] and [[LonersAreFreaks an unkind loner]] with hardly any justification, and making him just a hardly likable FlatCharacter that fans would only be happy to have because it's pure {{Fanservice}}. Now, while his perception of Cloud hasn't improved much, he may have found some reasoning behind all this in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'', no less. The ending credit sequence shows us [[spoiler:a moment with Zack, and a black feather flies close to him, which has already sprayed around the likely correct [[WildMassGuessing Wild Mass Guess]] that Sephiroth killed Zack in this continuity]]. Now, add to this all the implications during ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' that [[spoiler:Sephiroth is Cloud’s ''EnemyWithout'', and you can see QUITE a reason for Cloud wanting to keep everyone as far away as possible from him, and his stoicism being fueled by an immense sense of guilt, nonetheless.]] (Admitedly, this is a bit of WildMassGuessing on its own, but hey, you can see where I'm coming from, right?)

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* [[Tropers/{{Alexlayer}} This troper]] troper was always annoyed by ''KingdomHearts''[='=] {{Flanderization}} of Cloud, which makes him basically nothing but an [[EmoTeen Emo]] [[strike:[[EmoTeen Teen]]]] [[EmoTeen Adult]] and [[LonersAreFreaks an unkind loner]] with hardly any justification, and making him just a hardly likable FlatCharacter that fans would only be happy to have because it's pure {{Fanservice}}. Now, while his perception of Cloud hasn't improved much, he may have found some reasoning behind all this in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'', no less. The ending credit sequence shows us [[spoiler:a moment with Zack, and a black feather flies close to him, which has already sprayed around the likely correct [[WildMassGuessing Wild Mass Guess]] that Sephiroth killed Zack in this continuity]]. Now, add to this all the implications during ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' that [[spoiler:Sephiroth is Cloud’s ''EnemyWithout'', and you can see QUITE a reason for Cloud wanting to keep everyone as far away as possible from him, and his stoicism being fueled by an immense sense of guilt, nonetheless.]] (Admitedly, this is a bit of WildMassGuessing on its own, but hey, you can see where I'm coming from, right?)



* This troper [[@/AlexSora89 (still me, guys)]] just had a relatively minor realization. Why the FieldOfBlades that is [[TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon Keyblade]] [[SceneryGorn Graveyard]] has many keyblades from ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' (like the [[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Follow The Wind]] or the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Fenrir]], just to name two) and from the first KH? CallForward? No, it's just that those worlds were still existing, and they never got caught in the darkness.

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* This troper [[@/AlexSora89 (still me, guys)]] just had a relatively minor realization. Why the FieldOfBlades that is [[TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon Keyblade]] [[SceneryGorn Graveyard]] has many keyblades from ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' (like the [[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Follow The Wind]] or the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Fenrir]], just to name two) and from the first KH? CallForward? No, it's just that those worlds were still existing, and they never got caught in the darkness.



* One more from @/AlexSora89. Just as ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsCoded Re:coded]]'' let us experience a boss battle against [[spoiler: Roxas]], previously only seen in the [[NoExportForYou Final Mix]] version of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', the [[BonusBoss bonus bosses]] in BBS seem to be [[AuthorsSavingThrow another apology to us non-japanese fans]] by Creator/TetsuyaNomura. Think about it: [[spoiler: Vanitas' Lingering Spirit]] standing for [[spoiler: Terra's Lingering Spirit]] (both fought at Keyblade Graveyard with the former even being accessed through an orb similar to [[spoiler: Org. XIII's [[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Absent_Silhouette "Absent Silhouettes"]]]]) seen in ''Final Mix (KHII)'', and [[spoiler: the Unknown (BBS)]] standing for [[spoiler: Xemnas]] as fought in ''Final Mix (KHI).

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* One more from @/AlexSora89. Just as ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsCoded ‘'[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsCoded Re:coded]]'' let us experience a boss battle against [[spoiler: Roxas]], previously only seen in the [[NoExportForYou Final Mix]] version of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', the [[BonusBoss bonus bosses]] in BBS seem to be [[AuthorsSavingThrow another apology to us non-japanese fans]] by Creator/TetsuyaNomura. Think about it: [[spoiler: Vanitas' Lingering Spirit]] standing for [[spoiler: Terra's Lingering Spirit]] (both fought at Keyblade Graveyard with the former even being accessed through an orb similar to [[spoiler: Org. XIII's [[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Absent_Silhouette "Absent Silhouettes"]]]]) seen in ''Final Mix (KHII)'', and [[spoiler: the Unknown (BBS)]] standing for [[spoiler: Xemnas]] as fought in ''Final Mix (KHI).
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** The Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony is not a literal passing down of an individual's keyblade, otherwise the numbers of wielders could only decline as time went on and wielders failed. Rather, it is a ceremony to choose someone to receive their own keyblade someday - the passing on of one's own keyblade is merely symbolic of this. You need to remember both the origins of the keyblade and the words of the ceremony. "In your hand, take this Key. So long as you have the makings, then through this simple act of taking, it's wielder you shall one day be." A wielder offers "a keyblade" so that one day the successor might be a wielder of "the Keyblade". All keyblade wielders have "a keyblade", but they are all wielders of "the Keyblade", in the sense that all swordsmen are wielders of "the Sword". The form it takes in their hands is determined by their hearts or destinies, and not by the one they took in their ceremony.
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** Or other mice for that matter. The same reason Christopher Robin is not adapted. Sora took over the role instead. Don't need to think too hard on that.
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* One more from @/AlexSora89. Just as ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsCoded Re:coded]]'' let us experience a boss battle against [[spoiler: Roxas]], previously only seen in the [[NoExportForYou Final Mix]] version of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', the [[BonusBoss bonus bosses]] in BBS seem to be [[AuthorsSavingThrow another apology to us non-japanese fans]] by TetsuyaNomura. Think about it: [[spoiler: Vanitas' Lingering Spirit]] standing for [[spoiler: Terra's Lingering Spirit]] (both fought at Keyblade Graveyard with the former even being accessed through an orb similar to [[spoiler: Org. XIII's [[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Absent_Silhouette "Absent Silhouettes"]]]]) seen in ''Final Mix (KHII)'', and [[spoiler: the Unknown (BBS)]] standing for [[spoiler: Xemnas]] as fought in ''Final Mix (KHI).

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* One more from @/AlexSora89. Just as ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsCoded Re:coded]]'' let us experience a boss battle against [[spoiler: Roxas]], previously only seen in the [[NoExportForYou Final Mix]] version of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', the [[BonusBoss bonus bosses]] in BBS seem to be [[AuthorsSavingThrow another apology to us non-japanese fans]] by TetsuyaNomura.Creator/TetsuyaNomura. Think about it: [[spoiler: Vanitas' Lingering Spirit]] standing for [[spoiler: Terra's Lingering Spirit]] (both fought at Keyblade Graveyard with the former even being accessed through an orb similar to [[spoiler: Org. XIII's [[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Absent_Silhouette "Absent Silhouettes"]]]]) seen in ''Final Mix (KHII)'', and [[spoiler: the Unknown (BBS)]] standing for [[spoiler: Xemnas]] as fought in ''Final Mix (KHI).

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