History Fridge / Catherine

** Considering the angle it looks more like it was an accident and [[spoiler: Katherine]] clearly isn't at all happy with the outcome. Probably not an example of badassery.

* It's implied that every time Vincent has a nightmare, he's actually sleeping with Catherine. All boss battles end with a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything stream of white shot right at them while Vincent basks in the afterglow]] from the door

* FridgeBrilliance: Vincent always starts the night at the bar with one drink power-up already applied out of a maximum of three. This confused me until I realized, that in every preceding cut scene, Vincent drinks a full glass.

* FridgeHorror: Let's assume [[spoiler: Erica]] was having ''the'' nightmares for keeping [[spoiler: Toby]] from a relationship that would produce children. How many innocent unsuspecting LGBT people could have or did die because of [[spoiler: Dumuzid]] [[IWantGrandkids wanting grandkids?]]

**** [[spoiler: That was Vincent's dream, not Katherine's. There's no indication that people can die in someone else's dream.]]
***** I know [[spoiler: that was Vincent's dream, but he could have been killed and died in the real world because Katherine would have killed him if she had gotten the knife.]]
****** Wait, I thought [[spoiler:Katherine was going to kill Catherine.]]
******* She could [[spoiler:be planning on using the knife as a bluff. Considering that she was horrified to see that she accidentally killed Catherine.]]

**** I know that, but the point of winning the Nightmare Sequence doesn't have something to do with making babies. [[spoiler: Men are thrown in there to die because they are in a relationship that won't produce kids. Erica had the nightmares because she was with Toby, who wants kids but didn't know she was a transsexual.]]
***** It is never proven that Erica is having THE nightmares. All the talk seemed to only give her just one, unrelated nightmare.
***** Even if she was having the Nightmare, you don't have to follow [[spoiler: Dumuzid's]] rules to escape. Vincent is able to win even if he takes the Cheaters or Freedom route.

** It isn't certain that Justin's correct. For all we know this has been going on every single year. Alternatively [[spoiler: Mutton]] was simply lying.

** [[spoiler:It was just a dream, so it's irrelevant.]]

*** [[EventheGirlsWantHer That is't a problem for some female players]].

** Later in the game, by meeting the right conditions, Midnight Venus reveals herself as [[spoiler: Ishtar]] and [[BreakingTheFourthWall congratulates the player character]] by [[spoiler: making you her co-deity of love]] with everything that goes with it. The problem? [[spoiler: Ishtar's]] lovers, even the non-mortal ones, had a tendency to [[DeathBySex end up dead]], as pointed out waaay back in TheEpicOfGilgamesh. With that in mind, though, maybe it's better that you ''don't'' [[WomanScorned turn her down]].

* Choosing LauraBailey and MichelleRuff to voice Catherine and Katherine respectively in the English version must have been deliberate. [[{{Persona4}} Rise]] and [[{{Persona3}} Yukari]] both represent the [[TarotMotifs Lovers Arcana]], which classically represents two paths in life and choosing the one to follow. Guess what Vincent has to deal with?

* Choosing LauraBailey and MichelleRuff to voice Catherine and Katherine respectively in the English version must have been deliberate. [[{{Persona4}} Rise]] and [[{{Persona3}} Yukari]] both represent [[TarotMotifs Lovers Arcana]], which classically represents two paths in life and choosing the one to follow. Guess what Vincent has to deal with?

* Choosing LauraBailey and MichelleRuff to voice Catherine and Katherine respectively in the English version must have been deliberate. [[{{Persona4}} Rise]] and [[{{Persona3}} Yukari]] are both of the [[TarotMotifs Lovers Arcana]] which classically represents two paths in life and choosing the one to follow. Guess what Vincent has to deal with?

!! Fridge Brilliance

!! Fridge Horror

** It seems to mainly be an issue of people leading their partners on. [[spoiler: Toby didn't know about Erica's past at the time it was implied that she was having the nightmares.]] Transpeople who disclose their history to their partners probably wouldn't be affected since everyone involved would either leave the relationship or choose to stay with the full knowledge that it won't result in children.

* Why does it seem like when they're trading techniques, it's hinting towards [[ADateWithRosiePalms "certain]] [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean techniques"?]] The fact that they're climbing a tower doesn't help.

* Why does it seem like when they're trading techniques, it's hinting towards [[ADateWithRosiePalms "certain]] [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean techniques"?]]

* Why does it seem like when they're trading techniques, it's hinting towards [[ADateWithRosiePalms "certain]][[IfYouKnowWhatIMean techniques"?]]

** Just a wild guess but I don't think [[spoiler: Dumizid]] minds LGBT people that much if they're honest about their life choice. The main targets are people who have insecurities about their relationships and [[spoiler: Erica]] is one of them.
*** ''AHEM'' "[[UnfortunateImplications Life choice]]"?
**** [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgement Let's just put it like this....]] Life in this game seems to be based on choices; [[spoiler: Erica]] ''chose'' not to inform [[spoiler: Toby]] that all was not as it seemed, in a sense. It's pretty high on the dishonesty scale.

*** [[spoiler:She's a transsexual, and has had the surgery as Toby [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean would know if she hadn't]]. Therefore, she has no means to reproduce.]]