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* Killmonger trying to force Shuri to kill Namor out of revenge may be more than just forcing Shuri to embrace her feelings of rage towards Namor. He shows respect for both Shuri and Ramonda for helping save Ruri Williams, an intelligent African-American Woman who had accidentally made a Vibranium detector that got repurposed by the government stating that T'Chaka would have seen her killed, something Namor is actively doing. Namor is basically everything Killmonger hates about T'Chaka, Namor keeps his kingdom a secret when he could be using it to help society as a whole, possibly citing the various Latin American communities that could use it much like how he killed colonizers that had enslaved his mother's village, and the fact that he's attempting to assasinate a young, smart, black woman who managed to work her way up to MIT.

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* Killmonger trying to force Shuri to kill Namor out of revenge may be more than just forcing Shuri to embrace her feelings of rage towards Namor. He shows respect for both Shuri and Ramonda for helping save Ruri Riri Williams, an intelligent African-American Woman who had accidentally made a Vibranium detector that got repurposed by the government stating that T'Chaka would have seen her killed, something Namor is actively doing. Namor is basically everything Killmonger hates about T'Chaka, Namor keeps his kingdom a secret when he could be using it to help society as a whole, possibly citing the various Latin American communities that could use it much like how he killed colonizers that had enslaved his mother's village, and the fact that he's attempting to assasinate a young, smart, black woman who managed to work her way up to MIT.

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* Why is N’Jadaka/Killmonger Shuri’s guide in the Ancestral Realm? He may be family, but he also tried to kill her brother and herself, and plunge her country into a war on the rest of the world. The reason for this is simple: Shuri is at a crossroads of her life, and desires vengeance against the man who killed her parent, leaving her to uphold a legacy she is not ready for, and a desire to do whatever it takes to sate her anger, even burning down the whole world. Just like Killmonger was. Killmonger is a dark mirror to Shuri, and a perfect example of what she may become if she loses herself to her pain. What better guide could there be?




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*Sheri’s Panther Habit has an interesting color choice. In addition to the traditional black, she also has various pieces of silver (clearly meant to invoke T’Challa), and gold (which bring to mind the Habit of N’Jadaka/Killmonger). This specific choice helps mirror the struggle that Shuri herself is going through: does she follow the noble example of T’Challa, and become the protector of her people? Or does she lose herself to vengeance like N’Jadaka did, and become an agent of wrath against those her took her family from her?

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** Also, America has greater geopolitical and military influence, not to mention its own superheroes and other forms of advanced technology, making it less necessary for them to take the high-risk route of attacking a Wakandan facility (whereas it's never suggested that France has anything akin to Helicarrier technology or any of the other tricks that SHIELD and the American superheroes had up their sleeves).




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* Talokan being an adaptation of the comics' version of Atlantis serves as a parallel to how Klaue claimed that the story of El Dorado came from garbled accounts about Wakanda, with both nations standing in for mythical lost cities. This also allows for the movies to obliquely comment on the racial subtext surrounding these myths: the fact that the legend of El Dorado was part of how colonial nations such as Spain incentivized the conquest of South America is contrasted with Wakanda's status as a country which was never colonized, while [[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-mesoamerican-influences-behind-namor-from-black-panther-wakanda-forever-180981106/ this article]] points out that the myth of Atlantis was historically used to attribute the creations of "primitive" non-white nations to a superior ancient civilization; the portrayal of Talokan as an independently advanced and pre-colonial civilization allows for a rebuttal of this idea.
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Something I recalled from Egyptology-obsession days.

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**There might be some FridgeBrilliance here. Bast's current incarnations is a ''domestic'' goddess and so wouldn't really help too much as far as war and fighting goes, so, perhaps, with the conflict, her governance is limited?
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* How are the Talokanil, a race that has spent centuries living underwater, so adept at moving and fighting on dry land? Easy, the caverns where Shuri and Riri are held captive and where Namor goes to have some me-time also allow the Talokanil to train in open-air combat.
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* This film is the second sequel after Thor 2 to showcase a devastating attack on a long-impenetrable citadel and the fallout. The only difference is that while that film showed how vengeance was consuming Odin of Asgard, this film has Shuri go down the same path but ultimately forsake it.

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* This film is the second sequel after Thor 2 ''Thor: The Dark World'' to showcase a devastating attack on a long-impenetrable citadel and the fallout. The only difference is that while that film showed how vengeance was consuming Odin of Asgard, this film has Shuri go down the same path but ultimately forsake it.
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* Killmonger trying to force Shuri to kill Namor out of revenge may be more than just forcing Shuri to embrace her feelings of rage towards Namor. He shows respect for both Shuri and Ramonda for helping save Ruri Williams, an intelligent African-American Woman who had accidentally made a Vibranium detector that got repurposed by the government stating that T'Chaka would have seen her killed, something Namor is actively doing. Namor is basically everything Killmonger hates about T'Chaka, Namor keeps his kingdom a secret when he could be using it to help society as a whole, possibly citing the various Latin American communities that could use it much like how he killed colonizers that had enslaved his mother's village, and the fact that he's attempting to assasinate a young, smart, black woman who managed to work her way up to MIT.
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Might also count as genius bonus, be free to tweak.


* M'Baku chewing on a carrot homages Bugs Bunny. There's no way that M'Baku would not know about Bugs Bunny existing, just because the Jabari live in the mountains.

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* M'Baku chewing on a carrot homages Bugs Bunny. There's no way that M'Baku would not know about Bugs Bunny existing, just because the Jabari live in the mountains. If he knows about Mayan Mythology, whose to say he doesn't know about cartoon characters?




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* Why were the mercenaries French and not American, the latter being a traditional player for such actions in political thrillers? France in the real world has a lot of political influence in Sub-Saharan Africa, often acting as the power that leads anti-terrorism task forces or leaning on political realities. This includes the nation of Mali, where the Wakandan outreach center was located. While America does act in Africa, it isn't its immediate priority in the way it is for France. While both America and France would be equally thrown for a loop by a sudden new superpower to emerge in the world, for France Wakanda is a much more direct competitor in its sphere of influence.

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* Talokan is lit by an underwater sun. In Aztec myth, the gods were responsible for maintaining the movement of the sun, giving additional significance to Namor's claim to divinity as K'uk'ulkan (who, incidentally, was also a deity of the dawn and sun). Namor also uses a conch shell as a symbol, which may allude to how the conch was one of the symbols of Quetzalcoatl/K'uk'ulkan, being [[https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-wine-gods-breastplate/ used in real life]] as an insignia on the breastplates of priests.

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* Talokan This film is lit by an underwater sun. In Aztec myth, the gods were responsible for maintaining second sequel after Thor 2 to showcase a devastating attack on a long-impenetrable citadel and the movement fallout. The only difference is that while that film showed how vengeance was consuming Odin of Asgard, this film has Shuri go down the sun, giving additional significance same path but ultimately forsake it.
* Namor's wings are too small to lift his body up. If this was a genetic mutation, this would be accurate. But this mutation was brought on by a mystical plant from a water god. This gives weight
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K'uk'ulkan (who, incidentally, was also a deity of in Mesoamerican myth, is the dawn god of flight, rulership, and sun).language. All traits Namor displays in the film. Namor also uses a conch shell as a symbol, which may allude to how the conch was one of the symbols of Quetzalcoatl/K'uk'ulkan, being [[https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-wine-gods-breastplate/ used in real life]] as an insignia on the breastplates of priests.
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* M'Baku chewing on a carrot homages Bugs Bunny. There's no way that M'Baku would not know about Bugs Bunny existing, just because the Jabari live in the mountains.
** It's likely that given his penchant for jokes and snark, M'Baku would be inspired by Bugs, one of the funniest characters in animation.
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* Once again the Ancestral Plane tailors itself to whomever enters. T'Challa saw the peaceful plains- showing he was at peace with his role, Killmonger the apartment where he found his father's body- an event he never moved past so it makes perfect sense that Shuri would enter the throne room...where her mother died again a moment she needs to move past, and finally does in the end.
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* The inexplicable fact that there's another source of vibranium outside Wakanda is hand-waved by Shuri as just "meteors striking in different places". Except, the Talokans, who live off the Yucatan Peninsula, don't just live by some meteor crater made up for the movie's lore; they live in the crater of ''the'' [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater meteor strike]]. Makes perfect sense that the vibranium from the ''asteroid that killed the dinosaurs'' would give them even more unique powers than the heart-shaped herb and allow them to create a thriving underwater civilization.

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* The inexplicable fact that there's another source of vibranium outside Wakanda is hand-waved by Shuri as just "meteors striking in different places". Except, the Talokans, who live off the Yucatan Peninsula, don't just live by some meteor crater made up for the movie's lore; they live in the crater of ''the'' '''''the''''' [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater meteor strike]]. Makes perfect sense that the vibranium from the ''asteroid that killed the dinosaurs'' would give them even more unique powers than the heart-shaped herb and allow them to create a thriving underwater civilization.
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* The inexplicable fact that there's another source of vibranium outside Wakanda is hand-waved by Shuri as just "meteors striking in different places". Except, the Talokans, who live off the Yucatan Peninsula, don't just live by some meteor crater made up for the movie's lore; they live in the crater of ''the'' [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater meteor strike]]. Makes perfect sense that the vibranium from the ''asteroid that killed the dinosaurs'' would give them even more unique powers than the heart-shaped herb and allow them to create a thriving underwater civilization.
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* [[Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier John Walker going by U.S. Agent]] now makes more sense with TheReveal that Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, who gave him the codename, is the director of the CIA. His former codename '''Captain''' America that was taken from Steve Rogers aligned with his former rank in the military before he was other-than-honorably discharged, while U.S. '''Agent''' aligns with his rank in the CIA.
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* With all the pollution and artificial warming of the oceans, the fact that Talokan hasn't already waged war with the entire surface world is downright miraculous.

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* With all the pollution and artificial warming of the oceans, the fact that Talokan hasn't already waged war with the entire surface world is downright miraculous. Ocean Master of ''Film/Aquaman2018'' was already raring to do just that in his universe. Then again, considering Talokan is supposed to be situated deep underwater, they probably think the biospheric collapse of the surface isn't supposed to reach them--at least not until the events of this film.
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* Shuri managing to pull herself down the spear actually makes a lot of sense - Shuri built both T'challa's and Killmonger's Panther Habits, as well as her own - it would make sense that said Habit would include at the very least minor first aid, at least until either external treatment or the healing factor is able to patch them up. Case in point, Killmonger died from a stab to the heart, and only died ''after'' he removed the spear in his chest - modern medical treatment is very capable of saving someone who has suffered from a heart wound, given that the damaging object is left in the body until treatment. Shuri's Habit is likely more advanced than both T'challa's and Killmonger's, meaning that there's probably better medical technology in hers.
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* Talokan is lit by an underwater sun. In Aztec myth, the gods were responsible for maintaining the movement of the sun, giving additional significance to Namor's claim to divinity as Ku'kulkan (who, incidentally, was also a deity of the dawn and sun). Namor also uses a conch shell as a symbol, which may allude to how the conch was one of the symbols of Quetzalcoatl/Ku'kulkan, being [[https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-wine-gods-breastplate/ used in real life]] as an insignia on the breastplates of priests.

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* Talokan is lit by an underwater sun. In Aztec myth, the gods were responsible for maintaining the movement of the sun, giving additional significance to Namor's claim to divinity as Ku'kulkan K'uk'ulkan (who, incidentally, was also a deity of the dawn and sun). Namor also uses a conch shell as a symbol, which may allude to how the conch was one of the symbols of Quetzalcoatl/Ku'kulkan, Quetzalcoatl/K'uk'ulkan, being [[https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-wine-gods-breastplate/ used in real life]] as an insignia on the breastplates of priests.
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* The lengths Namor would go to prevent his kingdom's existence from being revealed to the outside world may feel too extreme considering Talokan's technological advantage, strategic location, and its leader's superhuman abilities would be more than enough to protect itself from ordinary would-be invaders or even Wakanda itself. However, this is a world where people like the Avengers, organizations like HYDRA, gods, monsters, aliens, various other supernatural threats exist, and as isolated as it may be, even the Talokanis would still be affected by Thanos's depopulation snap. Threats that even Namor could not be able to protect his kingdom from. Knowing this, it's no wonder why Namor would go to great lengths form preventing anybody on the surface from discovering his kingdom: even he cannot protect his kingdom from ''everything'' out there.
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** This also raises the possibility that the physical strain of fighting in the Battle of Wakanda and Battle of Earth consecutively (since T'Challa was Snapped and would have had perhaps only a few minutes to recover from the former before leading Wakanda's armies in the latter) weakened his body and accelerated the character's illness and demise.

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** This also raises the possibility that the physical strain of fighting in the Battle of Wakanda and Battle of Earth consecutively (since T'Challa was Snapped and would have had perhaps only a few minutes to recover from the former before leading Wakanda's armies in the latter) weakened his body and accelerated the character's illness and demise.demise.
* With all the pollution and artificial warming of the oceans, the fact that Talokan hasn't already waged war with the entire surface world is downright miraculous.
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** To give Bast the benefit of the doubt, she is an ''Egyptian'' deity, and [[Series/MoonKnight2022 we've already seen]] [[LawfulStupid what a hard line the Ennead takes]] against one of their own violating their AlienNonInterferenceClause.
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* Talokan is lit by an underwater sun. In Aztec myth, the gods were responsible for maintaining the movement of the sun, giving additional significance to Namor's claim to divinity as Ku'kulkan (who, incidentally, was also a deity of the dawn and sun). Namor also uses a conch shell as a symbol, which may allude to how the conch was one of the symbols of Quetzalcoatl/Kulkulkan, being [[https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-wine-gods-breastplate/ used in real life]] as an insignia on the breastplates of priests.

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* Talokan is lit by an underwater sun. In Aztec myth, the gods were responsible for maintaining the movement of the sun, giving additional significance to Namor's claim to divinity as Ku'kulkan (who, incidentally, was also a deity of the dawn and sun). Namor also uses a conch shell as a symbol, which may allude to how the conch was one of the symbols of Quetzalcoatl/Kulkulkan, Quetzalcoatl/Ku'kulkan, being [[https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-wine-gods-breastplate/ used in real life]] as an insignia on the breastplates of priests.
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** And Talokan's beginning was a Mayan tribe fleeing from the destruction the Spanish conquistadors brought. It isn't hard to make the connection that the Mayan pantheon was up there pleasuring themselves on Omnipotence City while their people were suffering. Sure, one of the gods wasn't as bad as the others, seeing as how he led the priest to what allowed the people to escape underwater, but that still doesn't change the fact that the horrors of colonization were allowed to happen by lazy, hedonistic gods.

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** And Talokan's beginning was a Mayan tribe fleeing from the destruction the Spanish conquistadors brought. It isn't hard to make the connection that the Mayan pantheon was up there pleasuring themselves on Omnipotence City while their people were suffering. Sure, one of the gods Chaac wasn't as bad as the others, seeing as how he led the priest to what allowed the people to escape underwater, but that still doesn't change the fact that the horrors of colonization were allowed to happen by lazy, hedonistic gods.
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** And Talokan's beginning was a Mayan tribe fleeing from the destruction the Spanish conquistadors brought. It isn't hard to make the connection that the Mayan pantheon was up there pleasuring themselves on Omnipotence City while their people were suffering. Sure, one of the gods wasn't as bad as the others, seeing as how he led the priest to what allowed the people to escape underwater, but that still doesn't change the fact that the horrors of colonization were allowed to happen by lazy, hedonistic gods.

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* In the middle of the movie, we learn that Nakia left Wakanda after Thanos' attack, which was six years ago, and it's been one year since T'Challa's death. A quick math shows that he must have passed at most a few months after the battle for Earth.

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* In the middle of the movie, we learn that Nakia left Wakanda after Thanos' attack, which was six years ago, and it's been one year since T'Challa's death. A quick math calculation shows that he must have passed at most a few months after the battle for Earth.Earth.
** This also raises the possibility that the physical strain of fighting in the Battle of Wakanda and Battle of Earth consecutively (since T'Challa was Snapped and would have had perhaps only a few minutes to recover from the former before leading Wakanda's armies in the latter) weakened his body and accelerated the character's illness and demise.
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** Which would be would be right in line for a [[CatsAreLazy feline]] [[CatsAreMean goddess]].
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* [[HollywoodAtheist Shuri being openly dismissive of Wakanda's worship of Bast]] may actually have some credence, [[RightForTheWrongReasons even if it isn't for the reasons she believes in]]. Because, as ''Film/ThorLoveAndThunder'' previously showed, Bast is currently busy engaging in hedonistic behavior at Omnipotence City, and there's no indication that she's returned to the Ancestral Plane since then. In other words, Bast might still be ignoring Wakandan prayers and new souls that come to the Ancestral Plane simply because she's ''[[TheGodsMustBeLazy too lazy to help her people]]''.

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* [[HollywoodAtheist Shuri being openly dismissive of Wakanda's worship of Bast]] may actually have some credence, [[RightForTheWrongReasons even if it isn't for the reasons she believes in]]. Because, as ''Film/ThorLoveAndThunder'' previously showed, Bast is currently busy engaging in hedonistic behavior at Omnipotence City, and there's no indication that she's returned to the Ancestral Plane since then. In other words, Bast might still be ignoring Wakandan prayers and new souls that come to the Ancestral Plane simply because she's ''[[TheGodsMustBeLazy too lazy to help her people]]''.people]]''.
* In the middle of the movie, we learn that Nakia left Wakanda after Thanos' attack, which was six years ago, and it's been one year since T'Challa's death. A quick math shows that he must have passed at most a few months after the battle for Earth.
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Speculation. Also, the only non-curable injury Barton received is near deafness, and that's for a completely unrelated reason.


* [[HollywoodAtheist Shuri being openly dismissive of Wakanda's worship of Bast]] may actually have some credence, [[RightForTheWrongReasons even if it isn't for the reasons she believes in]]. Because, as ''Film/ThorLoveAndThunder'' previously showed, Bast is currently busy engaging in hedonistic behavior at Omnipotence City, and there's no indication that she's returned to the Ancestral Plane since then. In other words, Bast might still be ignoring Wakandan prayers and new souls that come to the Ancestral Plane simply because she's ''[[TheGodsMustBeLazy too lazy to help her people]]''.
* In Film/AvengersEndgame, T’Challa briefly carried the Infinity Gauntlet with all six stones intact. It was stated earlier that each stone has gamma radiation, and the gauntlet itself was damaged, (but still functional), after Hulk’s snap, meaning that perhaps whatever containment field for the stones’ radiation might also have been destroyed. What if T’Challa’s exposure to this was the catalyst to the illness that led to his death? And what does it mean for the other heroes that carried it like Hawkeye and Spider-Man?

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* [[HollywoodAtheist Shuri being openly dismissive of Wakanda's worship of Bast]] may actually have some credence, [[RightForTheWrongReasons even if it isn't for the reasons she believes in]]. Because, as ''Film/ThorLoveAndThunder'' previously showed, Bast is currently busy engaging in hedonistic behavior at Omnipotence City, and there's no indication that she's returned to the Ancestral Plane since then. In other words, Bast might still be ignoring Wakandan prayers and new souls that come to the Ancestral Plane simply because she's ''[[TheGodsMustBeLazy too lazy to help her people]]''.
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* [[HollywoodAtheist Shuri being openly dismissive of Wakanda's worship of Bast]] may actually have some credence, [[RightForTheWrongReasons even if it isn't for the reasons she believes in]]. Because, as ''Film/ThorLoveAndThunder'' previously showed, Bast is currently busy engaging in hedonistic behavior at Omnipotence City, and there's no indication that she's returned to the Ancestral Plane since then. In other words, Bast might still be ignoring Wakandan prayers and new souls that come to the Ancestral Plane simply because she's ''[[TheGodsMustBeLazy too lazy to help her people]]''.

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* [[HollywoodAtheist Shuri being openly dismissive of Wakanda's worship of Bast]] may actually have some credence, [[RightForTheWrongReasons even if it isn't for the reasons she believes in]]. Because, as ''Film/ThorLoveAndThunder'' previously showed, Bast is currently busy engaging in hedonistic behavior at Omnipotence City, and there's no indication that she's returned to the Ancestral Plane since then. In other words, Bast might still be ignoring Wakandan prayers and new souls that come to the Ancestral Plane simply because she's ''[[TheGodsMustBeLazy too lazy to help her people]]''.people]]''.
* In Film/AvengersEndgame, T’Challa briefly carried the Infinity Gauntlet with all six stones intact. It was stated earlier that each stone has gamma radiation, and the gauntlet itself was damaged, (but still functional), after Hulk’s snap, meaning that perhaps whatever containment field for the stones’ radiation might also have been destroyed. What if T’Challa’s exposure to this was the catalyst to the illness that led to his death? And what does it mean for the other heroes that carried it like Hawkeye and Spider-Man?
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* [[spoiler:Toussaint's name references Haitian revolutionary Toussaint Louverture, who was instrumental in liberating the island from French rule; the movie briefly alludes to this by stating that Toussaint is a good name for the prince, but doesn't go into detail about why this is the case.]]

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* [[spoiler:Toussaint's Toussaint's name references Haitian revolutionary Toussaint Louverture, who was instrumental in liberating the island from French rule; the movie briefly alludes to this by stating that Toussaint is a good name for the prince, but doesn't go into detail about why this is the case.]]

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* Namor marvels at the beauty of Wakanda, reminiscing about his mother's stories of "a protected land, where people don't have to leave, where they never have to change who they are." At first glance, it appears a direct reference to the fate of his tribe: a people whose land was conquered by the Spaniards, and who had to physically ''change'' into an underwater race, leaving their former lives and land behind forever (which, as per his memory of his mother, caused them great sorrow). But it also refers to the fate of colonized peoples as a whole, whose cultures and ways of life are destroyed by imperialist powers and who are thus forced to assimilate into the conqueror's ways or face annihilation, as happened to all native cultures throughout the Americas.
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!!Fridge Brilliance
* Talokan is lit by an underwater sun. In Aztec myth, the gods were responsible for maintaining the movement of the sun, giving additional significance to Namor's claim to divinity as Ku'kulkan (who, incidentally, was also a deity of the dawn and sun). Namor also uses a conch shell as a symbol, which may allude to how the conch was one of the symbols of Quetzalcoatl/Kulkulkan, being [[https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-wine-gods-breastplate/ used in real life]] as an insignia on the breastplates of priests.
* [[spoiler:Toussaint's name references Haitian revolutionary Toussaint Louverture, who was instrumental in liberating the island from French rule; the movie briefly alludes to this by stating that Toussaint is a good name for the prince, but doesn't go into detail about why this is the case.]]

!!Fridge Horror
* [[HollywoodAtheist Shuri being openly dismissive of Wakanda's worship of Bast]] may actually have some credence, [[RightForTheWrongReasons even if it isn't for the reasons she believes in]]. Because, as ''Film/ThorLoveAndThunder'' previously showed, Bast is currently busy engaging in hedonistic behavior at Omnipotence City, and there's no indication that she's returned to the Ancestral Plane since then. In other words, Bast might still be ignoring Wakandan prayers and new souls that come to the Ancestral Plane simply because she's ''[[TheGodsMustBeLazy too lazy to help her people]]''.

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