History Fridge / AssassinsCreedRogue

* Edward and Shay are {{Foil}}s to one another. Edward was a Welsh pirate who, eventually, decided to become more responsible by joining the Assassins. He started out working for the Templars, however briefly, then spent many years hunting them down for his own selfish purposes. He sought the Observatory for the wealth and power it would give him. Shay is a New York City Irishman turned privateer who had a criminal background but no real aspirations to wealth or respect. He ends up joining the Templars [[spoiler:out of a desire to do good and keep the Pieces of Eden from the hands of the Assassins.]] Gradually, Shay becomes more and more brutal to make sure his goal is reached.

* Edward and Shay are foils to one another. Edward was a Welsh pirate who, eventually, decided to become more responsible by joining the Assassins. He started out working for the Templars, however briefly, then spent many years hunting them down for his own selfish purposes. He sought the Observatory for the wealth and power it would give him. Shay is a New York City Irishman turned privateer who had a criminal background but no real aspirations to wealth or respect. He ends up joining the Templars [[spoiler:out of a desire to do good and keep the Pieces of Eden from the hands of the Assassins.]] Gradually, Shay becomes more and more brutal to make sure his goal is reached.

* Despite Lawrence Washington explicitly telling his fellow assassins he doesn't want his brother involved in Templar business, by the time of Assassin's Creed 3, none of his associates are around anymore, and the new grandmaster, Haytham Kenway, plots George's death. Shay's work as both an Assassin and Templar laid the groundwork for nearly killing a man innocent of the two sides' fued.

** This leads to the worse bit of fridge horror to come out of Rogue; so long as you give someone a sad death scene people will forget every horrific thing they've done in life and pretend the philosophy that spawned their ruthlessness is perfectly valid.

* Tied in with ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedUnity'', the ending has [[spoiler: Shay talk about how the Templars need to start their own revolution.]] Which means that in a backhanded way, the Assassins ''did'' start the French Revolution.

* Edward and Shay are foils to one another. Edward was a Welsh pirate who, eventually, decided to become more responsible by joining the Assassins. He started out working for the Templars, however briefly, then spent many years hunting them down for his own selfish purposes. He sought the Observatory for the wealth and power it would give him. Shay is a New York City Irishman turned privateer who had a criminal background but no real aspirations to wealth or respect. He ends up joining the Templars [[spoiler: out of a desire to do good and keep the Pieces of Eden from the hands of the Assassins.]] Gradually, Shay becomes more and more brutal to make sure his goal is reached.
* Juhani Otso Berg seems peculiarly interested in Shay Cormac's life. If you read his background, though, you'll note Juhani has a lot of PetTheDog moments despite being a Templar. Of course he'd be interested in [[spoiler: someone who joined the Templars not for power and wealth but to protect the innocent.]] They're also both soldiers and killers for the Templars who worked their way up through the ranks [[spoiler: to a leadership position]].

* Colonel George Monro seems like a really nice guy for a Templar. However, if you look at his actions, they take on a much darker cast. [[spoiler: Colonel Monro fishes Shay out of the ocean, places him with a caring family, and then offers to help him oppose New York City's gangs after arriving too late to back him up. It's awfully ''convenient'', though, that all of these events happen in such quick succession. Furthermore, Colonel Monro never lies to Shay ''precisely'' but conceals the fact the gangs are allied to the Assassins, that Shay is killing Assassins, and that he is a Templar. In retrospect, it's very easy to see this as a ManipulativeBastard attempting to make use of a pet Assassin until he either proves his loyalty or outlives his usefulness.]] May double as FridgeHorror since it works.

* Why is that when Juhani and Da Costa comment on Shay's memories, Da Costa says, "Shay must have survived the fall" and later they say that "Shay couldn't have died then appeared in France twenty years later"? The nature of the series AnthropicPrinciple is that if the protagonist's DNA comes from a descendant then there's no question of seeing the character's death in the Animus. We should have seen Shay's life till he met a girlfriend/wife/one-night-stand and obviously Da Costa and Otso Berg know this. So why do they express surprise about Shay surviving the fall after being confronted by the Assassins. One possible answer is that Shay left no descendants and that his DNA comes from blood vial or from his body. It might also explain why they struggle to sequence his memories in Rogue.

* [[spoiler: Achilles]] being a broken and defeated shell of a man is something ''you'' did as a player of ''Assassin's Creed: Rogue.''

* [[spoiler: Achilles]] being a broken and defeated shell of a man is something ''you'' did as a player of ''Assassins: Creed Rogue.''

* Why is that when Juhani and Da Costa comment on Shay's memories, Da Costa says, "Shay must have survived the fall" and later they say that "Shay couldn't have died then appeared in France twenty years later"? The nature of the series AnthropicPrinciple is that if the protagonist's DNA comes from a descendant then there's no question of seeing the character's death in the Animus. We should have seen Shay's life till he met a girlfriend/wife/one-night-stand and obviously Da Costa and Otso Berg know this. So why do they express surprise about Shay surviving the fall after being confronted by the Assassins. One possible answer is that Shay left no descendants and that his DNA comes from blood vial or from his body. It might also explain whyt thy struggle to sequence his memories in Rogue.

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* Shay turning against the Assassins is something they, understandably, view as a horrific betrayal. However, the creed is ''Nothing is true, everything is permitted.'' Which, as the Assassins interpret it, is all about finding your own morality rather than letting it be spoon-fed to you. Shay, by rebelling against the Assassins [[spoiler: on moral grounds]], is the truest Assassin of them all.
* Altair's swords serves as Shay's InfinityPlusOneSword for a good reason: he himself called out the Assassins on fighting for freedom while blindly obeying a Mentor. Thus, it is thematically appropriate for Shay to take up his sword.

* This marks the first time in the series when a major city - New York - reappears in a later instance. However, New York in ''Rogue'' is way larger and more detailed than it was ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII''. There was the Great Fire which withered the place somewhat, but that does not explain how the entire landmass the city sits on seems to have shrunk down between the time of Shay's forays and when Connor set foot in it. The brilliance sets in when one realizes that the cities in the series are not accurate representations of how they were at certain points in history - but how the protagonists ''remember'' them. Connor was only a sporadic visitor to the place, never staying for more than a few days at a time, whereas Shay was born and grew up in it, so no wonder he recalls its every nook and cranny in a way more intricate manner than Connor ever did. Not to mention the Animus in ''III'' was made by Assassins on the move, with a serious CelestialDeadline, whereas the one in ''Rogue'' is made by Abstergo, with a (probably) infinite budget, no immediate rush to make it, and many more hands operating it, rather than just Rebecca and Shawn. Small wonder then that it's got more room for detail.

* [[spoiler: Achilles]] being a broken and defeated shell of a man is something ''you'' did as a player of ''AssassinsCreedRogue.''

** For all the benevolent facade put on by the Templars, the fact is its members include Lawrence Washington, a slaveowner as well as James Wardrop, an ethnic cleanser responsible for many massacres against Native Tribes. Both of them are described by Christopher Gist as "[[DeliberateValuesDissonance good men]]". By sheer MoralLuck, Shay allies with them, but it's hard to escape the sense on playing the game, that by taking out the multicultural Assassins, Shay is siding with a bunch of white supremacists.

* Several NY gangs of this period acted as liaisons for runaway slaves by pointing them towards ship captains who would take them aboard and sometimes even helping them further north towards Canada. Black gangs (naturally) took this a step further by attacking slave catchers and their vessels that typically sat in the city's harbor. And you wiped those gangs out.

* [[spoiler: Achilles]] being a broken and defeated shell of a man is something ''you'' did as a player of ''AssassinsCreedRogue.''

* [[spoiler: Achilles]] being a broken and defeated shell of a man is something ''you'' did as a player of ''AssassinsCreedRogue.''
* Given the [[spoiler: Lisbon and Haiti Earthquakes]] are the fault of the Assassins, [[spoiler: this means they've probably killed more innocent people than the Templars until World War 2.]]
** The Templars "burn whole villages" to find one lone Assassin and likewise triggered the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars which killed more than 2 million people across Europe, way more than earthquake victims of Lisbon and Haiti. They also came with the Crusaders and others so the Assassins can start five earthquakes and it would not be half the red in the Templar book.

* Given the [[spoiler: Lisbon and Haiti Earthquakes]] are the fault of the Assassins, [[spoiler: this means they've probably killed more innocent people than the Templars until World War 2.]]

* This marks the first time in the series when a major city - New York - reappears in a later instance. However, New York in ''Rogue'' is way larger and more detailed than it was ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII''. There was the Great Fire which withered the place somewhat, but that does not explain how the entire landmass the city sits on seems to have shrunk down between the time of Shay's forays and when Connor set foot in it. The brilliance sets in when one realizes that the cities in the series are not accurate representations of how they were at certain points in history - but how the protagonists ''remember'' them. Connor was only a sporadic visitor to the place, never staying for more than a few days at a time, whereas Shay was born and grew up in it, so no wonder he recalls its every nook and cranny in a way more intricate manner than Connor ever did.
** Not to mention the Animus in ''III'' was made by Assassins on the move, with a serious CelestialDeadline, whereas the one in ''Rogue'' is made by Abstergo, with a (probably) infinite budget, no immediate rush to make it, and many more hands operating it, rather than just Rebecca and Shawn. Small wonder then that it's got more room for detail.

** Not to mention the Animus in ''III'' was made by Assassins on the move, with a serious CosmicDeadline, whereas the one in ''Rogue'' is made by Abstergo, with a (probably) infinite budget, no immediate rush to make it, and many more hands operating it, rather than just Rebecca and Shawn. Small wonder then that it's got more room for detail.

* This marks the first time in the series when a major city - New York - reappears in a later instance. However, New York in ''Rogue'' is way larger and more detailed than it was ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII''. There was the Great Fire which withered the place somewhat, but that does not explain how the entire landmass the city sits on seems to have shrunk down between the time of Shay's forays and when Connor set foot in it. The brilliance sets in when one realizes that the cities in the series are not accurate representations of how they were at certain points in history - but how the protagonists ''remember'' them. Connor was only a sporadic visitor to the place, never staying for more than a few days at a time, whereas Shay was born and grew up in it, so no wonder he recalls its every nook and cranny in a way more intricate manner than Connor ever did. Not to mention the Animus in ''III'' was made by Assassins on the move, with a serious CosmicDeadline, whereas the one in ''Rogue'' is made by Abstergo, with a (probably) infinite budget, no immediate rush to make it, and many more hands operating it, rather than just Rebecca and Shawn. Small wonder then that it's got more room for detail.

! Fridge Brilliance

* Tied in with ''AssassinsCreedUnity'', the ending has [[spoiler: Shay talk about how the Templars need to start their own revolution.]] Which means that in a backhanded way, the Assassins ''did'' start the French Revolution.

** Personally, I feel that this instance was a CrowningMomentofAwesome! for Shay. He knows that every single one of these Assassin's is fully capable of killing him. He doesn't care, and calls out the Assassin's as the Hypocrites they are.
** Altair's swords serves as Shay's InfinityPlusOneSword for a good reason: he himself called out the Assassins on fighting for freedom while blindly obeying a Mentor. Thus, it is thematically appropriate for Shay to take up his sword.

* Juhani Otso Berg seems peculiarly interested in Shay Cormac's life. If you read his background, though, you'll note Juhani has a lot of PetTheDog moments despite being a Templar. Of course he'd be interested in [[spoiler: someone who joined the Templars not for power and wealth but to protect the innocent.]]
** They're also both soldiers and killers for the Templars who worked their way up through the ranks [[spoiler: to a leadership position]].

* This marks the first time in the series when a major city - New York - reappears in a later instance. However, New York in ''Rogue'' is way larger and more detailed than it was ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII''. There was the Great Fire which withered the place somewhat, but that does not explain how the entire landmass the city sits on seems to have shrunk down between the time of Shay's forays and when Connor set foot in it. The brilliance sets in when one realizes that the cities in the series are not accurate representations of how they were at certain points in history - but how the protagonists ''remember'' them. Connor was only a sporadic visitor to the place, never staying for more than a few days at a time, whereas Shay was born and grew up in it, so no wonder he recalls its every nook and cranny in a way more intricate manner than Connor ever did.
** Not to mention the Animus in ''III'' was made by Assassins on the move, with a serious CosmicDeadline, whereas the one in ''Rogue'' is made by Abstergo, with a (probably) infinite budget, no immediate rush to make it, and many more hands operating it, rather than just Rebecca and Shawn. Small wonder then that it's got more room for detail.

! Fridge Horror

* Shay and Connor essentially cancel each others' life's work out. All of Shay's efforts to stop the Colonial Assassins is undone by Connor's efforts to revive them. However, all of Connor's efforts to prevent the Templars from gaining a foothold in America are pointless because Shay is arguably far more dangerous than Haytham ever was. Worse, with Achilles dead, ''Connor doesn't even know Shay exists.''
** It gets worse as Shay knows where Connor and the Colonial Assassins live[[note]]and it's not confirmed whether the "''Connor''" that writes to Eseosa in 1804 offering training at the Davenport Homestead -- nominally confirming his survival -- is even the real Connor[[/note]].

* This marks the first time in the series when a major city - New York - reappears in a later instance. However, New York in ''Rogue'' is way larger and more detailed than it was ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII''. There was the Great Fire which withered the place somewhat, but that does not explain how the entire landmass the city sits on seems to have shrunk down between the time of Shay's forays and when Connor set foot in it. The brilliance sets in when one realizes that the cities in the series are not accurate representations of how they were at certain points in history - but how the protagonists ''remember'' them. Connor was only a sporadic visitor, never staying for more than a few days at a time, whereas Shay was born and grew up in it, so no wonder he recalls its every nook and cranny in a way more intricate manner than Connor ever did.

* This marks the first time in the series when a major city - New York - reappears in a later instance. However, New York in ''Rogue'' is way larger and more detailed than it was ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII''. There was the Great Fire which withered the place somewhat, but that does not explain how the entire landmass the city sits on seems to have shrunk down between the time of Shay's forays and when Connor set foot in it. This is actually perfectly logical, since the cities in the series are not accurate representations of how they were at certain points in history - but how the protagonists ''remember'' them. Connor was only a sporadic visitor, never staying for more than a few days at a time, whereas Shay was born and grew up in it, so no wonder he recalls its every nook and cranny in a way more intricate manner than Connor ever did.

* This marks the first time in the series when a major city - New York - reappears in a later instance. However, New York in ''Rogue'' is way larger and more detailed than it was ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII''. There was the Great Fire which withered the place somewhat, but that does not explain how the entire landmass of the city seems to have shrunk down between the time of Shay's forays and when Connor set foot in it. This is actually perfectly logical, since the cities in the series are not accurate representations of how they were at certain points in history - but how the protagonists ''remember'' them. Connor was only a sporadic visitor, never staying for more than a few days at a time, whereas Shay was born and grew up in it, so no wonder he recalls its every nook and cranny in a way more intricate manner than Connor ever did.