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* By the end of the game, Shay has gone from a seemingly benevolent, albeit rash and angst-ridden, young man who wants to protect innocent life to a typical Templar bastard willing to spark a bloody revolution just to undo some of the damage [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII Connor did to the Templar Order.]] One might simply chalk this up to typical moral decay. However, this is arguably foreshadowed as early as Shay's assassination of slaveowner Lawrence Washington. Despite Lawrence being an [[ValuesDissonance undeniably detestable person]] who deserves punishment (and [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlag previous]] [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedFreedomCry protagonists]] [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIIILiberation being]] opposed to chattel slavery), Shay feels guilty over taking his life. This "both-sides" approach to morality ("Sure, the Templars are bad, but the Assassins are worse because they kill old people!") shows that he has always had a short-sighted, naive perspective which refuses to see nuance ("Killing is usually wrong, but killing a slaveowner - even an old one - is justifiable.")


* The [[ArtisticLicenseHistory]] entry talks about how it is anachronistic for Shay to allow the singing of sea shanties as a privateer. However, Shay has always valued freedom (at least during much of ''Rogue'') and has a soft spot for working class men, which his crew is. He probably turned a blind eye to their singing as long as other aspects of discipline are met, and the crew gladly obliged.

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* The [[ArtisticLicenseHistory]] ArtisticLicenseHistory entry talks about how it is anachronistic for Shay to allow the singing of sea shanties as a privateer. However, Shay has always valued freedom (at least during much of ''Rogue'') and has a soft spot for working class men, which his crew is. He probably turned a blind eye to their singing as long as other aspects of discipline are met, and the crew gladly obliged.

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*The [[ArtisticLicenseHistory]] entry talks about how it is anachronistic for Shay to allow the singing of sea shanties as a privateer. However, Shay has always valued freedom (at least during much of ''Rogue'') and has a soft spot for working class men, which his crew is. He probably turned a blind eye to their singing as long as other aspects of discipline are met, and the crew gladly obliged.


* Edward and Shay are {{Foil}}s to one another. Edward was a Welsh pirate who, eventually, decided to become more responsible by joining the Assassins. He started out working for the Templars, however briefly, then spent many years hunting them down for his own selfish purposes. He sought the Observatory for the wealth and power it would give him. Shay is a New York City Irishman turned privateer who had a criminal background but no real aspirations to wealth or respect. He ends up joining the Templars [[spoiler:out of a desire to do good and keep the Pieces of Eden from the hands of the Assassins.]] Gradually, Shay becomes more and more brutal to make sure his goal is reached.

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* [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlag Edward Kenway]] and Shay are {{Foil}}s to one another. Edward was a Welsh pirate who, eventually, decided to become more responsible by joining the Assassins. He started out working for the Templars, however briefly, then spent many years hunting them down for his own selfish purposes. He sought the Observatory for the wealth and power it would give him. Shay is a New York City Irishman turned privateer who had a criminal background but no real aspirations to wealth or respect. He ends up joining the Templars [[spoiler:out of a desire to do good and keep the Pieces of Eden from the hands of the Assassins.]] Gradually, Shay becomes more and more brutal to make sure his goal is reached.


* Edward and Shay are foils to one another. Edward was a Welsh pirate who, eventually, decided to become more responsible by joining the Assassins. He started out working for the Templars, however briefly, then spent many years hunting them down for his own selfish purposes. He sought the Observatory for the wealth and power it would give him. Shay is a New York City Irishman turned privateer who had a criminal background but no real aspirations to wealth or respect. He ends up joining the Templars [[spoiler:out of a desire to do good and keep the Pieces of Eden from the hands of the Assassins.]] Gradually, Shay becomes more and more brutal to make sure his goal is reached.

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* Edward and Shay are foils {{Foil}}s to one another. Edward was a Welsh pirate who, eventually, decided to become more responsible by joining the Assassins. He started out working for the Templars, however briefly, then spent many years hunting them down for his own selfish purposes. He sought the Observatory for the wealth and power it would give him. Shay is a New York City Irishman turned privateer who had a criminal background but no real aspirations to wealth or respect. He ends up joining the Templars [[spoiler:out of a desire to do good and keep the Pieces of Eden from the hands of the Assassins.]] Gradually, Shay becomes more and more brutal to make sure his goal is reached.

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** This may be justified: Munro is trying to break Shay's preconceptions. By showing him that he's a man concerned with crime and poverty, Shay judges him as an individual, not a Templar. By showing the effect the criminals are having on New York without revealing their ties, Shay can judge their actions as wrong and immoral, regardless of their Assassin affiliations. The statement Munro is making here is that [[DesignatedHero calling yourselves heroes means nothing if you do not act heroically]], and [[DesignatedVillain dismissing your enemies as villains for being your enemy does not make them wicked and evil]].


* Despite Lawrence Washington explicitly telling his fellow assassins he doesn't want his brother involved in Templar business, by the time of Assassin's Creed 3, none of his associates are around anymore, and the new grandmaster, Haytham Kenway, plots George's death. Shay's work as both an Assassin and Templar laid the groundwork for nearly killing a man innocent of the two sides' fued.

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* Despite Lawrence Washington explicitly telling his fellow assassins Templars he doesn't want his brother involved in Templar business, by the time of Assassin's ''Assassin's Creed 3, 3'', none of his associates are around anymore, and the new grandmaster, Haytham Kenway, plots George's death. Shay's work as both an Assassin and Templar laid the groundwork for nearly killing a man innocent of the two sides' fued.


** This leads to the worse bit of fridge horror to come out of Rogue; so long as you give someone a sad death scene people will forget every horrific thing they've done in life and pretend the philosophy that spawned their ruthlessness is perfectly valid.

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** This leads to the worse bit of fridge horror to come out of Rogue; so long as you give someone a sad death scene people will forget every horrific thing they've done in life and pretend the philosophy that spawned their ruthlessness is perfectly valid.valid.
* Despite Lawrence Washington explicitly telling his fellow assassins he doesn't want his brother involved in Templar business, by the time of Assassin's Creed 3, none of his associates are around anymore, and the new grandmaster, Haytham Kenway, plots George's death. Shay's work as both an Assassin and Templar laid the groundwork for nearly killing a man innocent of the two sides' fued.


* Tied in with ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedUnity'', the ending has [[spoiler: Shay talk about how the Templars need to start their own revolution.]] Which means that in a backhanded way, the Assassins ''did'' start the French Revolution.

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* Tied in with ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedUnity'', the ending has [[spoiler: Shay [[spoiler:Shay talk about how the Templars need to start their own revolution.]] Which means that in a backhanded way, the Assassins ''did'' start the French Revolution.



* Edward and Shay are foils to one another. Edward was a Welsh pirate who, eventually, decided to become more responsible by joining the Assassins. He started out working for the Templars, however briefly, then spent many years hunting them down for his own selfish purposes. He sought the Observatory for the wealth and power it would give him. Shay is a New York City Irishman turned privateer who had a criminal background but no real aspirations to wealth or respect. He ends up joining the Templars [[spoiler: out of a desire to do good and keep the Pieces of Eden from the hands of the Assassins.]] Gradually, Shay becomes more and more brutal to make sure his goal is reached.
* Juhani Otso Berg seems peculiarly interested in Shay Cormac's life. If you read his background, though, you'll note Juhani has a lot of PetTheDog moments despite being a Templar. Of course he'd be interested in [[spoiler: someone who joined the Templars not for power and wealth but to protect the innocent.]] They're also both soldiers and killers for the Templars who worked their way up through the ranks [[spoiler: to a leadership position]].

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* Edward and Shay are foils to one another. Edward was a Welsh pirate who, eventually, decided to become more responsible by joining the Assassins. He started out working for the Templars, however briefly, then spent many years hunting them down for his own selfish purposes. He sought the Observatory for the wealth and power it would give him. Shay is a New York City Irishman turned privateer who had a criminal background but no real aspirations to wealth or respect. He ends up joining the Templars [[spoiler: out [[spoiler:out of a desire to do good and keep the Pieces of Eden from the hands of the Assassins.]] Gradually, Shay becomes more and more brutal to make sure his goal is reached.
* Juhani Otso Berg seems peculiarly interested in Shay Cormac's life. If you read his background, though, you'll note Juhani has a lot of PetTheDog moments despite being a Templar. Of course he'd be interested in [[spoiler: someone [[spoiler:someone who joined the Templars not for power and wealth but to protect the innocent.]] They're also both soldiers and killers for the Templars who worked their way up through the ranks [[spoiler: to [[spoiler:to a leadership position]].



* Colonel George Monro seems like a really nice guy for a Templar. However, if you look at his actions, they take on a much darker cast. [[spoiler: Colonel Monro fishes Shay out of the ocean, places him with a caring family, and then offers to help him oppose New York City's gangs after arriving too late to back him up. It's awfully ''convenient'', though, that all of these events happen in such quick succession. Furthermore, Colonel Monro never lies to Shay ''precisely'' but conceals the fact the gangs are allied to the Assassins, that Shay is killing Assassins, and that he is a Templar. In retrospect, it's very easy to see this as a ManipulativeBastard attempting to make use of a pet Assassin until he either proves his loyalty or outlives his usefulness.]] May double as FridgeHorror since it works.

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* Colonel George Monro seems like a really nice guy for a Templar. However, if you look at his actions, they take on a much darker cast. [[spoiler: Colonel [[spoiler:Colonel Monro fishes Shay out of the ocean, places him with a caring family, and then offers to help him oppose New York City's gangs after arriving too late to back him up. It's awfully ''convenient'', though, that all of these events happen in such quick succession. Furthermore, Colonel Monro never lies to Shay ''precisely'' but conceals the fact the gangs are allied to the Assassins, that Shay is killing Assassins, and that he is a Templar. In retrospect, it's very easy to see this as a ManipulativeBastard attempting to make use of a pet Assassin until he either proves his loyalty or outlives his usefulness.]] May double as FridgeHorror since it works.



* Why is that when Juhani and Da Costa comment on Shay's memories, Da Costa says, "Shay must have survived the fall" and later they say that "Shay couldn't have died then appeared in France twenty years later"? The nature of the series AnthropicPrinciple is that if the protagonist's DNA comes from a descendant then there's no question of seeing the character's death in the Animus. We should have seen Shay's life till he met a girlfriend/wife/one-night-stand and obviously Da Costa and Otso Berg know this. So why do they express surprise about Shay surviving the fall after being confronted by the Assassins. One possible answer is that Shay left no descendants and that his DNA comes from blood vial or from his body. It might also explain why they struggle to sequence his memories in Rogue.



* [[spoiler: Achilles]] being a broken and defeated shell of a man is something ''you'' did as a player of ''Assassin's Creed: Rogue.''

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* [[spoiler: Achilles]] [[spoiler:Achilles]] being a broken and defeated shell of a man is something ''you'' did as a player of ''Assassin's Creed: Rogue.''


* [[spoiler: Achilles]] being a broken and defeated shell of a man is something ''you'' did as a player of ''Assassins: Creed Rogue.''

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* [[spoiler: Achilles]] being a broken and defeated shell of a man is something ''you'' did as a player of ''Assassins: Creed ''Assassin's Creed: Rogue.''


* Why is that when Juhani and Da Costa comment on Shay's memories, Da Costa says, "Shay must have survived the fall" and later they say that "Shay couldn't have died then appeared in France twenty years later"? The nature of the series AnthropicPrinciple is that if the protagonist's DNA comes from a descendant then there's no question of seeing the character's death in the Animus. We should have seen Shay's life till he met a girlfriend/wife/one-night-stand and obviously Da Costa and Otso Berg know this. So why do they express surprise about Shay surviving the fall after being confronted by the Assassins. One possible answer is that Shay left no descendants and that his DNA comes from blood vial or from his body. It might also explain whyt thy struggle to sequence his memories in Rogue.

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* Why is that when Juhani and Da Costa comment on Shay's memories, Da Costa says, "Shay must have survived the fall" and later they say that "Shay couldn't have died then appeared in France twenty years later"? The nature of the series AnthropicPrinciple is that if the protagonist's DNA comes from a descendant then there's no question of seeing the character's death in the Animus. We should have seen Shay's life till he met a girlfriend/wife/one-night-stand and obviously Da Costa and Otso Berg know this. So why do they express surprise about Shay surviving the fall after being confronted by the Assassins. One possible answer is that Shay left no descendants and that his DNA comes from blood vial or from his body. It might also explain whyt thy why they struggle to sequence his memories in Rogue.


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** If that's what he did he's even more delusional than the average Templar. It's the Templar Order which is convinced of its absolute moral certainty. Hence why they feel it's their duty to control the entire world.


* Shay turning against the Assassins is something they, understandably, view as a horrific betrayal. However, the creed is ''Nothing is true, everything is permitted.'' Which, as the Assassins interpret it, is all about finding your own morality rather than letting it be spoon-fed to you. Shay, by rebelling against the Assassins [[spoiler: on moral grounds]], is the truest Assassin of them all.
* Altair's swords serves as Shay's InfinityPlusOneSword for a good reason: he himself called out the Assassins on fighting for freedom while blindly obeying a Mentor. Thus, it is thematically appropriate for Shay to take up his sword.


* This marks the first time in the series when a major city - New York - reappears in a later instance. However, New York in ''Rogue'' is way larger and more detailed than it was ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII''. There was the Great Fire which withered the place somewhat, but that does not explain how the entire landmass the city sits on seems to have shrunk down between the time of Shay's forays and when Connor set foot in it. The brilliance sets in when one realizes that the cities in the series are not accurate representations of how they were at certain points in history - but how the protagonists ''remember'' them. Connor was only a sporadic visitor to the place, never staying for more than a few days at a time, whereas Shay was born and grew up in it, so no wonder he recalls its every nook and cranny in a way more intricate manner than Connor ever did. Not to mention the Animus in ''III'' was made by Assassins on the move, with a serious CelestialDeadline, whereas the one in ''Rogue'' is made by Abstergo, with a (probably) infinite budget, no immediate rush to make it, and many more hands operating it, rather than just Rebecca and Shawn. Small wonder then that it's got more room for detail.

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* This marks the first time in the series when a major city - New York - reappears in a later instance. However, New York in ''Rogue'' is way larger and more detailed than it was ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII''. There was the Great Fire which withered the place somewhat, but that does not explain how the entire landmass the city sits on seems to have shrunk down between the time of Shay's forays and when Connor set foot in it. The brilliance sets in when one realizes that the cities in the series are not accurate representations of how they were at certain points in history - but how the protagonists ''remember'' them. Connor was only a sporadic visitor to the place, never staying for more than a few days at a time, whereas Shay was born and grew up in it, so no wonder he recalls its every nook and cranny in a way more intricate manner than Connor ever did. Not
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to mention the Animus in ''III'' was made by Assassins on the move, with a serious CelestialDeadline, whereas the one in ''Rogue'' is made by Abstergo, with a (probably) infinite budget, no immediate rush to make it, and many more hands operating it, rather than just Rebecca and Shawn. Small wonder then that it's got more room for detail.

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