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* ''ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}}'': This is delivered to the [[Characters/IrredeemablePlutonian Plutonian]]. On the one hand, he ''did'' have a very raw deal, being tossed from one foster home to another after his families discovered his powers and had no idea how to handle them, as well as a FriendlessBackground due to being unable to play with the other kids because he would accidentally hurt them with his powers. And then there are the circumstances of his birth -- [[spoiler:he was originally an alien probe that took on a human baby's form after reacting to the powerful emotions of an insane woman who had killed her child, which might have corrupted him from the start]]. He also [[spoiler:lived in the woods as a feral child, known as the Wolf Boy]] for a brief period. But he also got a few good lucky breaks, such as a caring foster father who genuinely wanted to teach him right from wrong (although admittedly he didn't always go about it in the best ways), a girlfriend, and the love of at least 90% of the human race, but it wasn't enough, as he was already severely psychologically damaged by the time things began looking up for him and having good things in life does not negate nor heal any of the damage he went through prior, [[ThereAreNoTherapists and it's very likely he did not get any therapy either]] (which probably would've done him ''a lot'' of good). Regardless though, he still killed millions of innocents (some for the pettiest and self-centered of reasons at that) and numerous characters, including [[spoiler:his biological parents]], tell him to his face that the treatment he endured doesn't justify any of his atrocities.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}}'': This is delivered to the [[Characters/IrredeemablePlutonian Plutonian]].Plutonian. On the one hand, he ''did'' have a very raw deal, being tossed from one foster home to another after his families discovered his powers and had no idea how to handle them, as well as a FriendlessBackground due to being unable to play with the other kids because he would accidentally hurt them with his powers. And then there are the circumstances of his birth -- [[spoiler:he was originally an alien probe that took on a human baby's form after reacting to the powerful emotions of an insane woman who had killed her child, which might have corrupted him from the start]]. He also [[spoiler:lived in the woods as a feral child, known as the Wolf Boy]] for a brief period. But he also got a few good lucky breaks, such as a caring foster father who genuinely wanted to teach him right from wrong (although admittedly he didn't always go about it in the best ways), a girlfriend, and the love of at least 90% of the human race, but it wasn't enough, as he was already severely psychologically damaged by the time things began looking up for him and having good things in life does not negate nor heal any of the damage he went through prior, [[ThereAreNoTherapists and it's very likely he did not get any therapy either]] (which probably would've done him ''a lot'' of good). Regardless though, he still killed millions of innocents (some for the pettiest and self-centered of reasons at that) and numerous characters, including [[spoiler:his biological parents]], tell him to his face that the treatment he endured doesn't justify any of his atrocities.
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* ''ComicBook/TheLegendOfKorraRuinsOfTheEmpire'': Opal as a kid had this response to Kuvira being a BigSisterBully to her about crushing a dollhouse they both liked. She said Kuvira may have been abandoned but that doesn't mean she should get treated mildly all the time.

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* ''ComicBook/TheLegendOfKorraRuinsOfTheEmpire'': Opal as a kid had this response to Kuvira being a BigSisterBully to her about crushing a dollhouse they both liked. She said Kuvira [[Characters/TheLegendOfKorraKuvira Kuvira]] may have been abandoned but that doesn't mean she should get treated mildly all the time.
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* In ''ComicBook/MilesMoralesSpiderMan2022'', Tiana Toomes has absolutely no sympathy for Rabble and her revenge plot, rightfully calling out how Rabble's trauma doesn't give her an excuse to inflict it on others, especially when the target of her wrath (Miles) isn't to blame. While Rabble is initially framed as somewhat sympathetic in her introduction, [[EvilIsPetty her vendetta is so petty]] that both Miles and Tiana are both DisappointedByTheMotive.
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* ''ComicBook/FreddyVsJasonVsAsh'': Lori (the FinalGirl of ''Film/FreddyVsJason'') screams at Jason Voorhees after [[spoiler:he brutally murders her boyfriend Will]] that she used to feel sorry for him, being the outcast freak who drowned at the hands of cruel kids while the irresponsible camp counselors were screwing, but she cannot anyone after he continues to take more and more lives with no signs of stopping. [[spoiler:Too bad she doesn't have plot armor in this story.]]

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* ''ComicBook/FreddyVsJasonVsAsh'': Lori (the FinalGirl of ''Film/FreddyVsJason'') screams at Jason Voorhees after [[spoiler:he brutally murders her boyfriend Will]] that she used to feel sorry for him, being the outcast freak who drowned at the hands of cruel kids while the irresponsible camp counselors were screwing, but she cannot anyone after he continues to take more and more lives with no signs of stopping. [[spoiler:Too bad she doesn't have plot armor in this story.story and Jason doesn't care about what others think of him.]]
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* ''{{Franchise/Aquaman}}'': Dardanus's father Shalako sacrificed his mother in a dark magical ritual intended to help the people of Tritonis survive underwater. In revenge, the young Dardanus told the Tritonians that Shalako had been the one to curse them and turn them into proto-mermaids. Enraged, the Tritionians murdered Shalako and all his family except Dardanus, who survived by fleeing into the tunnels beneath Tritonis. The murder of his family, coupled with the long years living in isolation in the tunnels, result in Dardanus growing into a deeply disturbed young man. Despite his horrific past, no one in the series treats Dardanus as anything but a monster once his crimes come to light. During their climactic duel, King Orin I even points out that Dardanus is largely the one responsible for his father Shalako's murder, having sicced the angry Tritonians on him in the first place.
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* ''{{Franchise/Aquaman}}'': ''ComicBook/{{Aquaman}}'': Dardanus's father Shalako sacrificed his mother in a dark magical ritual intended to help the people of Tritonis survive underwater. In revenge, the young Dardanus told the Tritonians that Shalako had been the one to curse them and turn them into proto-mermaids. Enraged, the Tritionians murdered Shalako and all his family except Dardanus, who survived by fleeing into the tunnels beneath Tritonis. The murder of his family, coupled with the long years living in isolation in the tunnels, result in Dardanus growing into a deeply disturbed young man. Despite his horrific past, no one in the series treats Dardanus as anything but a monster once his crimes come to light. During their climactic duel, King Orin I even points out that Dardanus is largely the one responsible for his father Shalako's murder, having sicced the angry Tritonians on him in the first place.
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* In a [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'' story, Cap is a prisoner of the ComicBook/RedSkull who regales him of his difficult life before becoming Adolf Hitler's hatchetman. Cap dismisses that history considering that lots of people have had tough times in their pasts, including his own, and is in no mood for sob stories, especially from a monstrous Nazi like the Skull.
* In ''ComicBook/FreddyVsJasonVsAsh'', Lori (the FinalGirl of ''Film/FreddyVsJason'') screams at Jason Voorhees after [[spoiler:he brutally murders her boyfriend Will]] that she used to feel sorry for him, being the outcast freak who drowned at the hands of cruel kids while the irresponsible camp counselors were screwing, but she cannot anyone after he continues to take more and more lives with no signs of stopping. [[spoiler:Too bad she doesn't have plot armor in this story.]]
* In ''Franchise/GreenLantern'', Amon Sur was the son of the legendary Green Lantern Abin Sur, who grew up to be a leader of the Black Circle Crime Syndicate. It was implied he was trying to live up to his father's accomplishments and was angry that his father [[DisappearedDad was not around to raise him]]. He tries to get revenge on Hal Jordan (whom he blames for his father's death) and he goes on to say how he should have been different and how his father was never there for him and he blames the Green Lantern Corps for his messed up life. Hal, [[MirrorCharacter who went through similar stuff]] with his own father, has NoSympathy and points out to Amon that not having a father does not excuse his crimes.

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* ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'': In a [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'' story, Cap is a prisoner of the ComicBook/RedSkull who regales him of his difficult life before becoming Adolf Hitler's hatchetman. Cap dismisses that history considering that lots of people have had tough times in their pasts, including his own, and is in no mood for sob stories, especially from a monstrous Nazi like the Skull.
* In ''ComicBook/FreddyVsJasonVsAsh'', ''ComicBook/FreddyVsJasonVsAsh'': Lori (the FinalGirl of ''Film/FreddyVsJason'') screams at Jason Voorhees after [[spoiler:he brutally murders her boyfriend Will]] that she used to feel sorry for him, being the outcast freak who drowned at the hands of cruel kids while the irresponsible camp counselors were screwing, but she cannot anyone after he continues to take more and more lives with no signs of stopping. [[spoiler:Too bad she doesn't have plot armor in this story.]]
* In ''Franchise/GreenLantern'', ''ComicBook/GreenLantern'': Amon Sur was the son of the legendary Green Lantern Abin Sur, who grew up to be a leader of the Black Circle Crime Syndicate. It was implied he was trying to live up to his father's accomplishments and was angry that his father [[DisappearedDad was not around to raise him]]. He tries to get revenge on Hal Jordan (whom he blames for his father's death) and he goes on to say how he should have been different and how his father was never there for him and he blames the Green Lantern Corps for his messed up life. Hal, [[MirrorCharacter who went through similar stuff]] with his own father, has NoSympathy and points out to Amon that not having a father does not excuse his crimes.



* ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'': In ''ComicBook/WhoIsSuperwoman'', the titular character is revealed to be Lucy Lane, the younger sister of Lois Lane, who at first appears to be a hero but reveals her true colors when she not only attacks Supergirl, but saves Reactron from her, killing the supervillain's ex-girlfriend in order to cover up his survival. She is working for her father, General Sam Lane, implanted in ComicBook/NewKrypton as a spy. Lucy's {{Backstory}} reveals she has always felt overshadowed by Lois, and moved to Metropolis thinking that maybe her father would pay more attention to her if she hung out with her sister, but this came at the same time that Lois and Sam grew apart over Franchise/{{Superman}}. After her father's death, Lucy joined the U.S. Army and rose quickly through the ranks. During the Amazon attack on the United States, she was nearly killed by two Amazons but saved by Codename: Assassin. Awakening in Project 7734, Lucy's father convinced her to join him, and her sole motivation became to make him proud of her, no matter what. In ''ComicBook/DayOfTheDollmaker'', Lois visits Lucy after she has been captured and imprisoned for her crimes. Lois is disgusted by her sister, as she thought Lucy joined the military to honor their father, but now wonders when she stopped being her sister and started being a monster. When Lucy tries to justify her crimes by saying she was only following their father's orders, Lois calls that a pitiful excuse and calls Lucy out on allowing herself to become a killing machine to impress a man that did not even care for them when they were kids. Lois declares that she cannot forgive their father for his crimes or Lucy for being so stupid.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'': In ''ComicBook/WhoIsSuperwoman'', the titular character is revealed to be Lucy Lane, the younger sister of Lois Lane, who at first appears to be a hero but reveals her true colors when she not only attacks Supergirl, but saves Reactron from her, killing the supervillain's ex-girlfriend in order to cover up his survival. She is working for her father, General Sam Lane, implanted in ComicBook/NewKrypton as a spy. Lucy's {{Backstory}} reveals she has always felt overshadowed by Lois, and moved to Metropolis thinking that maybe her father would pay more attention to her if she hung out with her sister, but this came at the same time that Lois and Sam grew apart over Franchise/{{Superman}}.ComicBook/{{Superman}}. After her father's death, Lucy joined the U.S. Army and rose quickly through the ranks. During the Amazon attack on the United States, she was nearly killed by two Amazons but saved by Codename: Assassin. Awakening in Project 7734, Lucy's father convinced her to join him, and her sole motivation became to make him proud of her, no matter what. In ''ComicBook/DayOfTheDollmaker'', Lois visits Lucy after she has been captured and imprisoned for her crimes. Lois is disgusted by her sister, as she thought Lucy joined the military to honor their father, but now wonders when she stopped being her sister and started being a monster. When Lucy tries to justify her crimes by saying she was only following their father's orders, Lois calls that a pitiful excuse and calls Lucy out on allowing herself to become a killing machine to impress a man that did not even care for them when they were kids. Lois declares that she cannot forgive their father for his crimes or Lucy for being so stupid.



* ''Franchise/XMen'':
** The ''ComicBook/XMen'' and ComicBook/ProfessorX have given ComicBook/{{Magneto}} this speech many times (Magneto is a Holocaust survivor, and takes his hatred of the Nazis who killed his family and ruined his life out on others). Occasionally, he listens.

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** The ''ComicBook/XMen'' X-Men and ComicBook/ProfessorX have given ComicBook/{{Magneto}} this speech many times (Magneto is a Holocaust survivor, and takes his hatred of the Nazis who killed his family and ruined his life out on others). Occasionally, he listens.
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** Kaine Parker, one of Spider-Man's clones, is noted to have suffered in the past. When the Kravinoffs embark on a warpath against Peter's "spider family" in the "Grim Hunt" storyline, Kaine is fully prepared to bail out, insisting to Peter that they can't win and they should just "run and screw the rest." In response, Spidey actually punches Kaine in the face, telling him that the difference between them is the fact that he doesn't use his life's misery as an excuse to give up the good fight.

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** Kaine Parker, one of Spider-Man's clones, is noted to have suffered in the past. When the Kravinoffs embark on a warpath against Peter's "spider family" in the "Grim Hunt" ''ComicBook/GrimHunt'' storyline, Kaine is fully prepared to bail out, insisting to Peter that they can't win and they should just "run and screw the rest." In response, Spidey actually punches Kaine in the face, telling him that the difference between them is the fact that he doesn't use his life's misery as an excuse to give up the good fight.
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* ''ComicBook/RogueSun'': By the end of the first story arc Cataclysm, it is revealed that the murderer of Rogue Sun (Marcus Bell) is his ex-wife, Gwen Siegel, the mother of the new Rogue Sun (Dylan Michael Siegel). It is revealed that Marcus rescued Gwen and then asked for her number; eight months later, they were married. After having Dylan and spending two years married to Marcus, where she would patch up his wounds, one day after being gone for six months, Marcus told Gwen that he was leaving her, shocked Gwen asked if there was someone else. Marcus just answered that it was complicated and wished he could tell her more; he just told Gwen that he didn't love her anymore and getting together with a mistake. Gwen was outraged after all they'd been through together and asked what about their son who would remember him; Marcus told Gwen to tell Dylan what she wanted to tell him. Years later, when Dylan, a teenager Marcus re-appears and wants to be a part of Dylan's life. Gwen is rightfully suspicious of Marcus wanting to be a part of Dylan after all this time and wonders if he has ulterior motives. After arguing about Dylan, Marcus tells Gwen that she can't stop him from being in Dylan's life because he's a superhero. Gwen makes a secret deal with some type of supernatural being for powers and kills Marcus. Dylan was heartbroken to learn that his mother was the murderer and eventually had to defeat her; he hoped there was a way to get rid of her powers to make her normal, but because it's unknown how she got her powers, there was no way to get quickly rid of her powers, and she needed to be imprisoned. Before she is imprisoned, Gwen tries to justify her actions to her son Dylan, saying she has done all of this for him; Dylan tells her that this all happened because she didn't trust him, that she thought that if given a choice, he would've left her like Marcus did and that she was just wanted to hurt Marcus so bad that she was using Dylan as an excuse.
-->'''Gwen Siegel''': I forgive you for what you're about to do. But please, just be better than your father. Someday you'll realize that everything I did, I did to--
-->''' Dylan Michael Siegel''': To protect me? That's Bullshit. All of this happened because you didn't trust me, Mom!
-->'''Gwen Siegel''': When you're older, you'll understand--
-->''' Dylan Michael Siegel''': Oh, I understand just fine. You thought if you gave me a choice, I'd choose life with him over you.
-->''' Dylan Michael Siegel''': You wanted to hurt him, so you used me as an excuse.
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* ''{{Franchise/Aquaman}}'': Dardanus father Shalako sacrificed his mother in a dark magical ritual intended to help the people of Tritonis survive underwater. In revenge, the young Dardanus told the Tritonians that Shalako had been the one to curse them and turn them into proto-mermaids. Enraged, the Tritionians murdered Shalako and all his family except Dardanus, who survived by fleeing into the tunnels beneath Tritonis. The murder of his family, coupled with the long years living in isolation in the tunnels, result in Dardanus growing into a deeply disturbed young man. Despite his horrific past, no one in the series treats Dardanus as anything but a monster once his crimes come to light. During their climactic duel, King Orin I even points out that Dardanus is largely the one responsible for his father Shalako's murder, having sicced the angry Tritonians on him in the first place.

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* ''{{Franchise/Aquaman}}'': Dardanus Dardanus's father Shalako sacrificed his mother in a dark magical ritual intended to help the people of Tritonis survive underwater. In revenge, the young Dardanus told the Tritonians that Shalako had been the one to curse them and turn them into proto-mermaids. Enraged, the Tritionians murdered Shalako and all his family except Dardanus, who survived by fleeing into the tunnels beneath Tritonis. The murder of his family, coupled with the long years living in isolation in the tunnels, result in Dardanus growing into a deeply disturbed young man. Despite his horrific past, no one in the series treats Dardanus as anything but a monster once his crimes come to light. During their climactic duel, King Orin I even points out that Dardanus is largely the one responsible for his father Shalako's murder, having sicced the angry Tritonians on him in the first place.
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* In ''ComicBook/FreddyVsJasonVsAsh'', Lori (the FinalGirl of ''Film/FreddyVsJason'') screams at Jason Voorhees after [[spoiler:he brutally murders her boyfriend Will]] that she used to feel sorry for him, being the outcast freak who drowned at the hands of cruel kids while the irresponsible camp counselors were screwing, but she cannot anyone after he continues to take more and more lives with no signs of stopping. [[spoiler:Too bad she doesn't have plot armor in this story.]]
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* ''ComicBook/NewXMenAcademyX'': Kimura was born to an abusive alcoholic father and a negligent mother. Her school life was similar, as she was abused and tormented by her peers. Through unspecified means at some point in time, Kimura's grandmother became her caregiver. At once, her grandmother tried to heal the emotional damage inflicted upon Kimura through nurturing, love, and understanding. However, by that point, the emotional scars were permanent and her grandmother's attempts to reach her were futile. After her grandmother's fatal heart attack, Kimura took off, eventually coming into contact with the Facility. She then underwent some unspecified procedure that granted her physical invulnerability, density control, and reconstruction, and exacted revenge against those in her past who had wronged her. During her time at the Facility, Kimura eventually assumed the same abusive role as the people who victimized her in the past, particularly to Laura. When Emma Frost learns of this by reading her mind, she admits that Kimura's past was horrible and no child deserves the life she was born into, but is not sympathetic towards her, and is in fact deeply disgusted. Emma points out that Kimura became the very person she hated and feared growing up by making Laura her victim and inflicting on her the same horrible life she lived through and didn't care because even though she knew all too well the pain Laura suffered, and she ''enjoyed'' being on the other side of it for once. Emma doesn't hesitate to mind-wipe Kimura, making her forget about her grandmother — the only influential positive person in her life — creating "a deep void that will cause [her] pain for a lifetime."

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* ''ComicBook/NewXMenAcademyX'': Kimura was born to an abusive alcoholic father and a negligent mother. Her school life was similar, as she was abused and tormented by her peers. Through unspecified means at some point in time, Kimura's grandmother became her caregiver. At once, her grandmother tried to heal the emotional damage inflicted upon Kimura through nurturing, love, and understanding. However, by that point, the emotional scars were permanent and her grandmother's attempts to reach her were futile. After her grandmother's fatal heart attack, Kimura took off, eventually coming into contact with the Facility. She then underwent some unspecified procedure that granted her physical invulnerability, density control, and reconstruction, and exacted revenge against those in her past who had wronged her. During her time at the Facility, Kimura eventually assumed the same abusive role as the people who victimized her in the past, particularly to Laura. When Emma Frost learns of this by reading her mind, she admits that Kimura's past was horrible and no child deserves the life she was born into, but is not sympathetic towards her, and is in fact deeply disgusted. Emma points out that Kimura became the very person she hated and feared growing up by making Laura her victim and inflicting on her the same horrible life she lived through and didn't care because even though she knew all too well the pain Laura suffered, and she ''enjoyed'' being on the other side of it for once. Emma doesn't hesitate to mind-wipe Kimura, making her forget about her grandmother — the only influential positive person in her life — creating "a deep void that will cause [her] pain for a lifetime."

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