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* ConflictBall: The Windtalkers knew how important they were - that they needed a babysitter to keep them safe - but Ben is ''shocked'' that among Joe's orders are ones to kill him should he fall into enemy hands.
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* DeathSeeker: Joe was the last man standing after his unit got slaughtered, because he insisted that they must obey their orders and hold the ground. It's haunting him ever since, to the point where he's one step from being outright suicidal.
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* FatalFamilyPhoto: The whole unit is watching photos of [[MyGirlBackHome their beloved ones]]... right before getting under heavy artillery fire.
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* NaiveNewcomer: Both Ben and Whitehorse. They not only have no idea into what kind of hell they get themselves, but are also completely unprepared for racial ostracization by fellow soldiers.
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* NeverTrustATitle: Joe is the center of attention and the protagonist in the movie, the windtalkers are... there.
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* NaiveNewcomer: Both Ben and Whitehorse. They not only have no idea into what kind of hell they get getting themselves, but are also completely unprepared for racial ostracization by fellow soldiers.
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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: There were Navajo code talkers, and they really were instrumental in the Pacific Theater[[note]]Adolf Theater,[[note]]Adolf Hitler had served in WorldWarI and knew the Allies had used similar code talkers in that war - he sent covert agents to study Native American dialects before the United States entered the war. Knowing this, the US did not use the Navajo code talkers in Europe[[/note]], Europe[[/note]] but the characters in this movie are all fictional.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: What happend to the inhabitants of the village during and after the IJA attack?
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* WarIsHell: As far as Hollywood allows, this trope is taken to the extreme. Mutilation of bodies, everyone DyingLikeAnimals, extense extensive use of [[ZergRush banzai charges]], accidental friendly fire, {{Mercy Kill}}s for friends...
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: What
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* FlamethrowerBackfire: The film does this to the squad member carrying the flamethrower.
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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: There were Navajo code talkers, and they really were instrumental in the Pacific Theater[[hottip:*:Adolf Theater[[note]]Adolf Hitler had served in WorldWarI and knew the Allies had used similar code talkers in that war - he sent covert agents to study Native American dialects before the United States entered the war. Knowing this, the US did not use the Navajo code talkers in Europe]], Europe[[/note]], but the characters in this movie are all fictional.
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* OneManArmy: Joe, combining this with DoAnythingSoldier. While [[HandicappedBadass being deaf on one ear]] and living under the the heavy burden of SurvivorGuilt, he is still capable of taking down dozens of enemies alone. Heck, he got ''two'' Silver Stars for his insane fighting skills and determination.
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* MercyKill: The torture a windtalker would probably get in the hands of the enemy is what Joe has orders to do this.
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* AbsurdlySharpBlade: The mass-produced katana used to [[spoiler: behead Peter]] with a single stroke.
* AxCrazy: Joe turns into a real demon of war during combat, just looking for more kills to score. Later, after [[spoiler: Whitehorse is killed]], Yahzee takes the role of ax-crazy soldier.
* BackToBackBadasses: Peter and Whitehorse during their LastStand.
* BerserkButton: As expected, Ben didn't take TheReveal about Joe's orders mildly.
* BloodFromTheMouth: [[spoiler: Joe]], to indicate that he's [[KilledOffForReal really dying]].
* BottomlessMagazines: Reloading? You're kidding, right? This trope is going to absurd levels with Joe's Thompson. Even if he's the only character ever seen reloading, his clips holds a few times more than they should.
* CaliforniaDoubling: Hawaii as Saipan.
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* When in desperate need for radio, Yahtzee recalls how Chick said that Indians look almost Japanese when not in uniform to excuse almost killing Yahtzee. The squad promptly starts to [[DressingAsTheEnemy collect Japanese uniforms]].
** Later in the film Ben mocks his own words toward Joe. First time, he assured Joe that following orders is the most important thing to do, even more important than saving your friends. But when he learns that Joe is ordered to kill him in case of risking capture, [[{{Hypocrite}} he berates him for mindlessly following orders]].
* TheCavalry: Air support. [[TheCavalryArrivesLate Usually too late]].
* AxCrazy: Joe turns into a real demon of war during combat, just looking for more kills to score. Later, after [[spoiler: Whitehorse is killed]], Yahzee takes the role of ax-crazy soldier.
* BackToBackBadasses: Peter and Whitehorse during their LastStand.
* BerserkButton: As expected, Ben didn't take TheReveal about Joe's orders mildly.
* BloodFromTheMouth: [[spoiler: Joe]], to indicate that he's [[KilledOffForReal really dying]].
* BottomlessMagazines: Reloading? You're kidding, right? This trope is going to absurd levels with Joe's Thompson. Even if he's the only character ever seen reloading, his clips holds a few times more than they should.
* CaliforniaDoubling: Hawaii as Saipan.
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* When in desperate need for radio, Yahtzee recalls how Chick said that Indians look almost Japanese when not in uniform to excuse almost killing Yahtzee. The squad promptly starts to [[DressingAsTheEnemy collect Japanese uniforms]].
** Later in the film Ben mocks his own words toward Joe. First time, he assured Joe that following orders is the most important thing to do, even more important than saving your friends. But when he learns that Joe is ordered to kill him in case of risking capture, [[{{Hypocrite}} he berates him for mindlessly following orders]].
* TheCavalry: Air support. [[TheCavalryArrivesLate Usually too late]].
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* ConspicuousCG: [=F6F=] Hellcat fighters. [[CaptainObvious Maybe because they were CGI]].
* DeathSeeker: Joe was the last man standing after his unit got slaughtered, because he insisted that they must obey their orders and hold the ground. It's haunting him ever since, to the point where he's one step from being outright suicidal.
* {{Determinator}}: Joe. Give him an order. He will do '''anything''' to fulfill it.
* FatalFamilyPhoto: The whole unit is watching photos of [[MyGirlBackHome their beloved ones]]... right before getting under heavy artillery fire.
* FireForgedFriends: Everyone in the unit.
* DeathSeeker: Joe was the last man standing after his unit got slaughtered, because he insisted that they must obey their orders and hold the ground. It's haunting him ever since, to the point where he's one step from being outright suicidal.
* {{Determinator}}: Joe. Give him an order. He will do '''anything''' to fulfill it.
* FatalFamilyPhoto: The whole unit is watching photos of [[MyGirlBackHome their beloved ones]]... right before getting under heavy artillery fire.
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* HiddenDepths: Joe. Sure, he is a killing machine with ''serious'' problems, but outside the battlefield he's really a nice guy. Even toward nominal enemies, as shown with the sick kid to whom he gave his pain-killers.
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* HilariousInHindsight: When Chick is talking how after the war the [=USA=] and Japan will became allies and friends, not even he believes that joke...
* HumanShield: Peter use one of the Japanese soldiers to block a stab from bayonet.
* HyperventilationBag: Pappas is shown a few times using one.
* ItHasBeenAnHonor: Ben and Joe toward each other at the end.
* ImprobableAimingSkills: Joe. If the Thompson submachine gun was half as accurate as it's shown in his hands, it would have been the ultimate weapon of [=WWII=].
* IndyPloy: The whole get-to-the-Japanese-radio plan is made more or less on the move.
* HumanShield: Peter use one of the Japanese soldiers to block a stab from bayonet.
* HyperventilationBag: Pappas is shown a few times using one.
* ItHasBeenAnHonor: Ben and Joe toward each other at the end.
* ImprobableAimingSkills: Joe. If the Thompson submachine gun was half as accurate as it's shown in his hands, it would have been the ultimate weapon of [=WWII=].
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* MoodWhiplash: After upbeat talk about their families and home the main characters are suddenly under artillery fire. [[spoiler: [[KickTheDog Friendly artillery fire]] ]].
* NaiveNewcomer: Both Ben and Whitehorse. They not only have no idea into what kind of hell they get themselves, but are also completely unprepared for racial ostracization by fellow soldiers.
* NaiveNewcomer: Both Ben and Whitehorse. They not only have no idea into what kind of hell they get themselves, but are also completely unprepared for racial ostracization by fellow soldiers.
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* NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished: Oh, how nice of you to feed a starving little girl... [[spoiler: time to blow up your flamethrower and let you burn alive!]]
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* OneManArmy: Joe, combining this with DoAnythingSoldier. While [[HandicappedBadass being deaf on one ear]] and living under the the heavy burden of SurvivorGuilt, he is still capable of taking down dozens of enemies alone. Heck, he got ''two'' Silver Stars for his insane fighting skills and determination.
* PlotArmor: Subverted. Until the attack on the village, everything seems to follow this trope, with heroes going through impossible situations. Since that scene, AnyoneCanDie.
* PlotArmor: Subverted. Until the attack on the village, everything seems to follow this trope, with heroes going through impossible situations. Since that scene, AnyoneCanDie.
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* RecklessSidekick: During their last fight Ben is so enraged that he basically endangers his whole squad by going berserk.
* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: Yahzee, [[spoiler: after Whitehorse is killed]].
* ShellShockedVeteran: Joe.
* ShovelStrike: Ben is using an entrenching shovel to defend himself during the final battle.
* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: Yahzee, [[spoiler: after Whitehorse is killed]].
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* TakeAThirdOption: When Joe can either fight the Japanese or kill Ben to keep the code secured, [[NoOneGetsLeftBehind he choose to take him on his back and run for safety]].
* TechnicalPacifist: Ben starts as one... [[AxCrazy where he ends up is another story]].
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: What happend to the inhabitants of the village during and after the IJA attack?
* WideEyedIdealist: Ben. He's just [[NaiveNewcomer an idealistic guy]] [[JumpedAtTheCall who wants to protect his country]].
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: What happend to the inhabitants of the village during and after the IJA attack?
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* PoorCommunicationKills: There was really no reason to withhold the information from the Windtalkers that their babysitters were supposed to kill them should they fall into enemy hands. Heck, if things were that dangerous, they should have already been [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled trained how best to take themselves out]] before the enemy gets to them.
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* PoorCommunicationKills: There was really no reason to withhold the information from the Windtalkers that their babysitters were supposed to kill them should they fall into enemy hands. It wasn't like the windtalkers didn't already know how important they were. Heck, if things were that dangerous, they should have already been [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled trained how best to take themselves out]] before the enemy gets to them.
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* MercyKill: The torture a windtalker would probably get in the hands of the enemy is what Joe has orders to do this.
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* ConflictBall: The Windtalkers knew how important they were - that they needed a babysitter to keep them safe - but Ben is ''shocked'' that among Joe's orders are ones to kill him should he fall into enemy hands.
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* SurvivorsGuilt: Joe has this.
* SurvivorsGuilt: Joe has this.
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