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* {{Deconstruction}}: Halfway through, the film deconstructs itself and the entire Joan of Arc legend. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf7YSlJReVM Dustin Hoffman's character]] exists to poke holes in Jeanne's belief that she was on a MissionFromGod; she started fighting because she found a sword in a field, and the Conscience points out numerous rational explanations (it fell from its sheath as a soldier was riding through the field, it belonged to someone who lost a duel, it was weighing down someone who was fleeing, its owner was shot at range, someone just tossed it aside for no real reason) so why does she believe it was sent by God? Jeanne is questioning ''herself''; a good sword is not something one finds lying in a field, but jumping straight to "God sent it to me" really is kind of crazy.

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* {{Deconstruction}}: Halfway through, the film deconstructs itself and the entire Joan of Arc legend. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf7YSlJReVM Dustin Hoffman's character]] exists to poke holes in Jeanne's belief that she was on a MissionFromGod; she started fighting because she found a sword in a field, and the Conscience points out numerous rational mundane explanations (it fell from its sheath as a soldier was riding through the field, it belonged to someone who lost a duel, it was weighing down someone who was fleeing, its owner was shot at range, someone just tossed it aside for no real reason) so why does she believe it was sent by God? Jeanne is questioning ''herself''; a good sword is not something one finds just lying in a field, but jumping straight to "God sent it to me" really is kind of crazy.



* FreudianExcuse: The film gives Jeanne one. It suggests that her crusade against the English army was partially motivated by a desire to avenge her sister's rape and murder by English soldiers.

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* FreudianExcuse: The film gives Jeanne one. It suggests that her crusade against the English army was partially motivated by a desire to avenge her sister's rape and murder by English soldiers.soldiers, which didn't happen in real life.



* JeanneDArchetype: {{Deconstructed}}. Jeanne tries to claim that she only carried her banner and never killed anyone. She's eventually caught out into saying that she did carry a sword too and it's likely that she did kill to defend herself. She's also portrayed as less of a messiah and more possibly of a girl suffering from mental illness. The film also gives her a personal reason to want to fight the English.

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* JeanneDArchetype: {{Deconstructed}}. Jeanne tries to claim that she only carried her banner and never killed anyone. She's eventually caught out into saying that she did carry a sword too and it's likely that she did kill to defend herself. She's also portrayed as less of a messiah and more possibly of a girl suffering from mental illness. The film also gives her a personal reason to want to fight the English.



** Another minor one: the reason the hairline of noble women is so high is fashion. Historically, at the time, the beauty standard had a very large forehead and many women (espeically [[TheMistress Agnès Sorel]], seen bathing with Charles, plucked the hair on top of their head.

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** Another minor one: the reason the hairline of noble women is so high is fashion. Historically, at the time, the beauty standard had a very large forehead and many women (espeically (especially [[TheMistress Agnès Sorel]], seen bathing with Charles, plucked the hair on top of their head.



* SweetPollyOliver: {{Played with}}. Jeanne does make herself look more masculine but it's not to pass as a boy. She's hoping [[PowerHair they'll take her more seriously if she looks less feminine]].

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* SweetPollyOliver: {{Played with}}. Jeanne does make herself look more masculine but it's not to pass as a boy.man. She's hoping [[PowerHair they'll take her more seriously if she looks less feminine]].
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** The Duke of Burgundy is portrayed as stating he doesn't believe in God or the Devil to Joan in front of witnesses. Not only is there no evidence of this (which would be very unlikely in that era) but no one would ever say this ''publicly'' (for he might be convicted of blasphemy).
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** Another minor one: the reason the hairline of noble women is so high is fashion. Historically, at the time, the beauty standard had a very large forehead and many women (espeically [[TheMistress Agnès Sorel]], seen bathing with Charles, plucked the hair on top of their head.

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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 film by Creator/LucBesson about... well... UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. Creator/MillaJovovich plays the titular heroine, with Creator/JohnMalkovich as Charles VII of France, Creator/FayeDunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Creator/DustinHoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of Artistic Licence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story - showing through Joan that war changes people.

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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 film by Creator/LucBesson about... well... UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. Creator/MillaJovovich plays the titular heroine, with Creator/JohnMalkovich as Charles VII of France, Creator/FayeDunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Creator/DustinHoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of Artistic Licence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story - thus showing through Joan that war changes people.



** Jeanne has visions as a young child. In real life she claims they didn't start until she was 13.

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** Jeanne has visions as a young child. In real life she claims claimed they didn't start until she was 13.



* {{Deconstruction}}: Halfway through, the film deconstructs itself and the entire Joan of Arc legend. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf7YSlJReVM Dustin Hoffman's character]] exists to poke holes in Jeanne's belief that she was on a MissionFromGod; she started fighting because she found a sword in a field, and the Conscience points out numerous rational explanations(it fell from its sheath as a soldier was riding through the field, it belonged to someone who lost a duel, it was weighing down someone who was fleeing, its owner was shot at range, someone just tossed it aside for no real reason) so why does she believe it was sent by God? Jeanne is questioning ''herself''; a good sword is not something one finds lying in a field, but jumping straight to "God sent it to me" really is kind of crazy.

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* {{Deconstruction}}: Halfway through, the film deconstructs itself and the entire Joan of Arc legend. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf7YSlJReVM Dustin Hoffman's character]] exists to poke holes in Jeanne's belief that she was on a MissionFromGod; she started fighting because she found a sword in a field, and the Conscience points out numerous rational explanations(it explanations (it fell from its sheath as a soldier was riding through the field, it belonged to someone who lost a duel, it was weighing down someone who was fleeing, its owner was shot at range, someone just tossed it aside for no real reason) so why does she believe it was sent by God? Jeanne is questioning ''herself''; a good sword is not something one finds lying in a field, but jumping straight to "God sent it to me" really is kind of crazy.



* FaceDeathWithDignity: Subverted. Jeanne being burned at the stake is horrifying.

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* FaceDeathWithDignity: Subverted.{{Subverted}}. Jeanne being burned at the stake is horrifying.



* {{Gorn}}: The movie had some quiet violent depictions during its battle scenes. Understandable since Besson went with more of a anti-war theme.
* HairOfGoldHeartOfGold: Used to convey Catherine's innocence and heroic nature - as her first act is to hide Jeanne from the invading soldiers. Likewise Jeanne's hair is blonde when she's at her most innocent. It darkens as she enters battle.
* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Not to the extent of films like ''Film/ThePatriot'', but the English soldiers are either foul mouthed scum that murder innocent women and then rape them - or else malevolent and manipulative schemers.
* ImportantHaircut: Attempted by Jeanne. When she realises that the soldiers don't like taking orders from a woman, she cuts off her hair to look like a man.
* JeanneDArchetype: Deconstructed. Jeanne tries to claim that she only carried her banner and never killed anyone. She's eventually caught out into saying that she did carry a sword too and it's likely that she did kill to defend herself. She's also portrayed as less of a messiah and more possibly of a girl suffering from mental illness. The film also gives her a personal reason to want to fight the English.
* LadyOfWar: Averted, which is notable since Joan is usually portrayed this way.

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* {{Gorn}}: The movie had some quiet violent depictions during its battle scenes. Understandable since Besson went with more of a an anti-war theme.
* HairOfGoldHeartOfGold: Used to convey Catherine's innocence and heroic nature - nature, as her first act is to hide Jeanne from the invading soldiers. Likewise Jeanne's hair is blonde when she's at her most innocent. It darkens as she enters battle.
* HistoricalVillainDowngrade: Pierre Couchon is here portrayed as trying to save Jeanne, and sympathizing with her. There is no historical evidence of this-much the opposite.
* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Not to the extent of films like ''Film/ThePatriot'', but the English soldiers are either foul mouthed foul-mouthed scum that murder innocent women and then rape them - them, or else malevolent and manipulative schemers.
* ImportantHaircut: Attempted by Jeanne. When she realises realizes that the soldiers don't like taking orders from a woman, she cuts off her hair to look like a man.
* JeanneDArchetype: Deconstructed.{{Deconstructed}}. Jeanne tries to claim that she only carried her banner and never killed anyone. She's eventually caught out into saying that she did carry a sword too and it's likely that she did kill to defend herself. She's also portrayed as less of a messiah and more possibly of a girl suffering from mental illness. The film also gives her a personal reason to want to fight the English.
* LadyOfWar: Averted, {{Averted}}, which is notable since Joan is usually portrayed this way.



* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: The film suggests the possibility Jeanne didn't really see signs from God, but is just a mentally ill girl who saw what she wanted. On the other hand, some things (such as somehow picking out Charles from a room full of nobles) don't get explained.



* RousingSpeech: Inverted. Jeanne gives a speech to the English army convincing them to ''surrender''. It works.

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* RousingSpeech: Inverted.{{Inverted}}. Jeanne gives a speech to the English army convincing them to ''surrender''. It works.



** Jeanne really did have her virginity tested before the court to prove her merit.
** The scene of Jeanne being able to pick out the real Charles VII amongst a crowd of his courtiers was written in many 15th century accounts.

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** Jeanne really did have her virginity tested before the court to prove her merit.
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** The scene of Jeanne being able to pick out the real Charles VII amongst among a crowd of his courtiers was written in many 15th century accounts.



* StuffedInTheFridge: Happens to Jeanne's sister Catherine.
* SweetPollyOliver: Played with. Jeanne does make herself look more masculine but it's not to pass as a boy. She's hoping [[PowerHair they'll take her more seriously if she looks less feminine]].

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* StuffedInTheFridge: Happens This happens to Jeanne's sister Catherine.
* SweetPollyOliver: Played with.{{Played with}}. Jeanne does make herself look more masculine but it's not to pass as a boy. She's hoping [[PowerHair they'll take her more seriously if she looks less feminine]].



* ThroughTheEyesOfMadness: The film toys with the audience over whether Jeanne really has visions from God, or is just deluded.



* UsedToBeASweetKid: Plays this trope with Jeanne. She's a good little girl who is devoted to her Christian faith. Then her sister gets murdered and it's suggested this breaks her.

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* UsedToBeASweetKid: Plays It plays this trope with Jeanne. She's a good little girl who is devoted to her Christian faith. Then her sister gets murdered and it's suggested this breaks her.
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* {{Deconstruction}}: Halfway through, the film deconstructs itself and the entire Joan of Arc legend. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf7YSlJReVM Dustin Hoffman's character]] exists to poke holes in Jeanne's belief that she was on a MissionFromGod; she started fighting because she found a sword in a field, and the Conscience points out numerous rational explanations(it fell from its sheath as a soldier was riding through the field, it belonged to someone who lost a duel, it was weighing down someone who was fleeing, its owner was shot at range, someone just tossed it aside for no real reason) so why does she believe it was sent by God? Jeanne is questioning ''herself''; good swords were and are expensive things, but jumping straight to "God sent it to me" really is kind of crazy.

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* {{Deconstruction}}: Halfway through, the film deconstructs itself and the entire Joan of Arc legend. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf7YSlJReVM Dustin Hoffman's character]] exists to poke holes in Jeanne's belief that she was on a MissionFromGod; she started fighting because she found a sword in a field, and the Conscience points out numerous rational explanations(it fell from its sheath as a soldier was riding through the field, it belonged to someone who lost a duel, it was weighing down someone who was fleeing, its owner was shot at range, someone just tossed it aside for no real reason) so why does she believe it was sent by God? Jeanne is questioning ''herself''; a good swords were and are expensive things, sword is not something one finds lying in a field, but jumping straight to "God sent it to me" really is kind of crazy.
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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 film by Creator/LucBesson about... well... UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. Creator/MillaJovovich plays the titular heroine, with Creator/JohnMalkovich as Charles VII of France, Faye Dunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Creator/DustinHoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of Artistic Licence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story - showing through Joan that war changes people.

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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 film by Creator/LucBesson about... well... UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. Creator/MillaJovovich plays the titular heroine, with Creator/JohnMalkovich as Charles VII of France, Faye Dunaway Creator/FayeDunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Creator/DustinHoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of Artistic Licence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story - showing through Joan that war changes people.
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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne zones out during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of {{Jesus}}, [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked and in agony]], making her scream in terror. She comes to her senses hearing her comrades cheering about winning. Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne zones out during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of {{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}}, [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked and in agony]], making her scream in terror. She comes to her senses hearing her comrades cheering about winning. Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.

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* {{Deconstruction}}: Halfway through, the film deconstructs itself and the entire Joan of Arc legend. Dustin Hoffman's character exists to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oSJdSL8YOE poke holes in Jeanne's theory]] that she was sent on a mission by God; she started fighting because she found a sword in a field - the Conscience shows her numerous rational explanations - it fell from its sheath as a soldier was riding through the field, it belonged to someone who lost a duel, it was weighing down someone who was fleeing, its owner was shot at range, someone just tossed it aside for no real reason - so why does she believes it was sent by God? Jean is seriously Jeanne questioning ''herself'' internally; good swords were and are expensive things, but jumping straight to "God sent it to me" really is kind of crazy.

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* {{Deconstruction}}: Halfway through, the film deconstructs itself and the entire Joan of Arc legend. Dustin Hoffman's character exists to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oSJdSL8YOE com/watch?v=Gf7YSlJReVM Dustin Hoffman's character]] exists to poke holes in Jeanne's theory]] belief that she was sent on a mission by God; MissionFromGod; she started fighting because she found a sword in a field - field, and the Conscience shows her points out numerous rational explanations - it explanations(it fell from its sheath as a soldier was riding through the field, it belonged to someone who lost a duel, it was weighing down someone who was fleeing, its owner was shot at range, someone just tossed it aside for no real reason - reason) so why does she believes believe it was sent by God? Jean is seriously Jeanne is questioning ''herself'' internally; ''herself''; good swords were and are expensive things, but jumping straight to "God sent it to me" really is kind of crazy.crazy.
-->Yet from an infinite number of possibilities, you had to pick ''this'' one. You didn't see what was, Jeanne. You saw what you wanted to see.
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* {{Deconstruction}}: Halfway through, the film deconstructs itself and the entire Joan of Arc legend. Dustin Hoffman's character exists to poke holes in Jeanne's theory that she was sent on a mission by God. Notable in that her first clue is finding a sword in a field - the Conscience shows her numerous rational explanations (a soldier dropping it while running away, someone else throwing it aside) and asks why she believes it was sent by God. What's more is that this is really Jeanne questioning ''herself'' internally.

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* {{Deconstruction}}: Halfway through, the film deconstructs itself and the entire Joan of Arc legend. Dustin Hoffman's character exists to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oSJdSL8YOE poke holes in Jeanne's theory theory]] that she was sent on a mission by God. Notable in that her first clue is finding God; she started fighting because she found a sword in a field - the Conscience shows her numerous rational explanations (a - it fell from its sheath as a soldier dropping was riding through the field, it while running away, belonged to someone else throwing who lost a duel, it aside) and asks was weighing down someone who was fleeing, its owner was shot at range, someone just tossed it aside for no real reason - so why does she believes it was sent by God. What's more God? Jean is that this is really seriously Jeanne questioning ''herself'' internally.internally; good swords were and are expensive things, but jumping straight to "God sent it to me" really is kind of crazy.

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne loses consciousness during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of {{Jesus}}, [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked and in agony.]] She wakes up hearing her comrades cheering about winning. Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne loses consciousness zones out during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of {{Jesus}}, [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked and in agony.]] agony]], making her scream in terror. She wakes up comes to her senses hearing her comrades cheering about winning. Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.


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* {{Gorn}}: The movie had some quiet violent depictions during its battle scenes. Understandable since Besson went with more of a anti-war theme.
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* * MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne loses consciousness during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of {{Jesus}}, [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked and in agony.]] She wakes up hearing her comrades cheering about winning. Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.

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* * MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne loses consciousness during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of {{Jesus}}, [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked and in agony.]] She wakes up hearing her comrades cheering about winning. Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.

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* AnnoyingArrows: Zig-zagged. Jeanne is hit by arrows twice; the first time, she's hit in the chest and her whole army retreats to their camp, anxious of her survival. Sometime later, she gets hit in the leg, and she doesn't notice it until someone tells her, then she just pulls it out.



* BlackComedy: A knight carves something on a trebuchet missile before launching it at the English, when it lands, we see it says "Hello".
* BoisterousBruiser: La Hire, a jolly LargeHam of a French captain who loves fighting the English.



* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne spaces out during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of {{Jesus}}, [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked and in agony]], which sends her screaming. She comes to her senses amidst her comrades cheering in victory. Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.

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* * MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne spaces out loses consciousness during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of {{Jesus}}, [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked and in agony]], which sends her screaming. agony.]] She comes to her senses amidst wakes up hearing her comrades cheering in victory.about winning. Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.



* SpikesOfVillainy: Though not on the villainous side, La Hire wears a suit of armor that has spikes on the shoulders, which he actually uses to kill people in battle.
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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 film by Creator/LucBesson about... well... UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. Creator/MillaJovovich plays the titular heroine, with Creator/JohnMalkovich as Charles II of France, Faye Dunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Creator/DustinHoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of Artistic Licence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story - showing through Joan that war changes people.

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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 film by Creator/LucBesson about... well... UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. Creator/MillaJovovich plays the titular heroine, with Creator/JohnMalkovich as Charles II VII of France, Faye Dunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Creator/DustinHoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of Artistic Licence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story - showing through Joan that war changes people.



** The scene of Jeanne being able to pick out the real Charles II amongst a crowd of his courtiers was written in many 15th century accounts.

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** The scene of Jeanne being able to pick out the real Charles II VII amongst a crowd of his courtiers was written in many 15th century accounts.
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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne loses consciousness during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of {{Jesus}}, [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked and in agony.]] She wakes up hearing her comrades cheering about winning. Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne loses consciousness spaces out during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of {{Jesus}}, [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked and in agony.]] agony]], which sends her screaming. She wakes up hearing comes to her senses amidst her comrades cheering about winning.in victory. Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.

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* BlackComedy: A knight carves something on a trebuchet missile before launching it at the English, when it lands, we see it says "Hello".
* BoisterousBruiser: La Hire, a jolly LargeHam of a French captain who loves fighting the English.



* ClothingDamage: British soldiers rip up Jeanne's dress while she's in prison - and then give her men's clothes to wear. This is so they can accuse her of using witchcraft to conjure them up.

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* ClothingDamage: British English soldiers rip up Jeanne's dress while she's in prison - and then give her men's clothes to wear. This is so they can accuse her of using witchcraft to conjure them up.



* EvilBrit: Rather harshly so in this adaptation. A British man first murders Jeanne's sister - and '''then''' rapes her. There's a rather foul-mouthed British sentry in Orleans - and the two who accuse Jeanne of witchcraft are portrayed as cunning and manipulative.

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* EvilBrit: Rather harshly so in this adaptation. A British English man first murders Jeanne's sister - and '''then''' rapes her. There's a rather foul-mouthed British English sentry in Orleans - and the two who accuse Jeanne of witchcraft are portrayed as cunning and manipulative.


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* SpikesOfVillainy: Though not on the villainous side, La Hire wears a suit of armor that has spikes on the shoulders, which he actually uses to kill people in battle.
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* AnnoyingArrows: Zig-zagged. Joan is hit by arrows twice; the first time, she's hit in the chest and her whole army retreats to their camp, anxious of her survival. Sometime later, she gets hit in the leg, and she doesn't notice it until someone tells her, then she just pulls it out.

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* AnnoyingArrows: Zig-zagged. Joan Jeanne is hit by arrows twice; the first time, she's hit in the chest and her whole army retreats to their camp, anxious of her survival. Sometime later, she gets hit in the leg, and she doesn't notice it until someone tells her, then she just pulls it out.

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* AllThereInTheManual: Dustin Hoffman's character is meant to be Jeanne's own conscience. A good number of viewers thought he was meant to be the Devil.

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* AllThereInTheManual: Dustin Hoffman's character is meant to be Jeanne's own conscience. A good number of viewers thought he was meant to be the Devil.Devil.
* AnnoyingArrows: Zig-zagged. Joan is hit by arrows twice; the first time, she's hit in the chest and her whole army retreats to their camp, anxious of her survival. Sometime later, she gets hit in the leg, and she doesn't notice it until someone tells her, then she just pulls it out.
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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne loses consciousness during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of a [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked]] {{Jesus}} chastising her. She wakes up hearing her comrades cheering about winning. Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne loses consciousness during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of a {{Jesus}}, [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked]] {{Jesus}} chastising her. blood-soaked and in agony.]] She wakes up hearing her comrades cheering about winning. Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne loses consciousness during the battle of Orleans. She wakes up hearing her comrades cheering about winning. She's ecstatic too - but then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne loses consciousness during the battle of Orleans. She has a vision of a [[BloodyHorror blood-soaked]] {{Jesus}} chastising her. She wakes up hearing her comrades cheering about winning. She's ecstatic too - but then Then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.in.
--> '''Jesus:''' What are you doing, Jeanne? What are you doing to ''me'', Jeanne?


* TrueCompanions/ FireForgedFriends: The film portrays the relationship between Jeanne and her fellow soldiers this way.

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* TrueCompanions/ FireForgedFriends: TrueCompanions: The film portrays the relationship between Jeanne and her fellow soldiers this way.
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* [[YouKilledMyFather You Killed My Sister]]: Implied to be a major reason behind Jeanne's motivation. Interestingly enough for this trope, it's the English in general Jeanne has this attitude to - rather than the one soldier who actually did it.

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* [[YouKilledMyFather You Killed My Sister]]: Implied YouKilledMyFather: The murder of Jeanne's sister is implied to be a major reason behind Jeanne's motivation. Interestingly enough for this trope, it's the English in general Jeanne has this attitude to - rather than the one soldier who actually did it.
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* OhCrap: When the English discover what Joan [[DynamicEntry is actually doing with the siege tower]].
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* MoodWhiplash: The triumphant scene of Charles II getting crowned abruptly jolts into the middle of the siege of Paris.

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* MoodWhiplash: The triumphant scene of Charles II VII getting crowned abruptly jolts into the middle of the siege of Paris.



* SweetPollyOliver: Played with. Jeanne does make herself look more masculine but it's not to pass as a boy. She's hoping they'll take her more seriously if she looks less feminine.

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* SweetPollyOliver: Played with. Jeanne does make herself look more masculine but it's not to pass as a boy. She's hoping [[PowerHair they'll take her more seriously if she looks less feminine.feminine]].
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* EvilBrit: Rather excessively so in this adaptation. A British man first murders Jeanne's sister - and '''then''' rapes her. There's a rather foul-mouthed British sentry in Orleans - and the two who accuse Jeanne of witchcraft are portrayed as cunning and manipulative.
** That being said, the French characters don't get portrayed much better. Charles II and Yolande of Aragon are happy when Jeanne gets them Orleans but lose interest when she keeps demanding more. They ultimately conspire to have her captured.

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* EvilBrit: Rather excessively harshly so in this adaptation. A British man first murders Jeanne's sister - and '''then''' rapes her. There's a rather foul-mouthed British sentry in Orleans - and the two who accuse Jeanne of witchcraft are portrayed as cunning and manipulative.
** That being said, the French characters don't get portrayed much better. Charles II VII and Yolande of Aragon are happy when Jeanne gets them Orleans but lose interest when she keeps demanding more. They ultimately conspire to have her captured.
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* AwesomeMomentOfCrowning: For Charles II after Orleans is taken.

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* AwesomeMomentOfCrowning: For Charles II VII after Orleans is taken.

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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 film by Luc Besson about...well...[[CaptainObvious Joan of Arc]]. Milla Jovovich plays the titular heroine, with John Malkovich as Charles II of France, Faye Dunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Dustin Hoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of Artistic Licence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story - showing through Joan that war changes people.

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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 film by Luc Besson about...well...[[CaptainObvious Joan of Arc]]. Milla Jovovich Creator/LucBesson about... well... UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc. Creator/MillaJovovich plays the titular heroine, with John Malkovich Creator/JohnMalkovich as Charles II of France, Faye Dunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Dustin Hoffman Creator/DustinHoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of Artistic Licence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story - showing through Joan that war changes people.



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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 film by Luc Besson about...well...[[Captain Obvious Joan of Arc]]. Milla Jovovich plays the titular heroine, with John Malkovich as Charles II of France, Faye Dunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Dustin Hoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of Artistic Licence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story - showing through Joan that war changes people.

The first half of the film plays out as you'd expect. Then the second half has Dustin Hoffman show up as Joan's conscience - and {{Deconstruct}} everything about the familiar story.

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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 film by Luc Besson about...well...[[Captain Obvious [[CaptainObvious Joan of Arc]]. Milla Jovovich plays the titular heroine, with John Malkovich as Charles II of France, Faye Dunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Dustin Hoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of Artistic Licence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story - showing through Joan that war changes people.

The first half of the film plays out as you'd expect. Then the second half has Dustin Hoffman show up as Joan's conscience - and {{Deconstruct}} everything about the familiar story. \n Also be warned of Milla Jovovich ChewingTheScenery.



* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Not to the extent of films like ''Film/ThePatriot'', but the English soldiers are either foul mouthed scum that murder innocent women and then rape them - or else malevolent and manipulative schemers.



* StuffedInTheFridge: Happens to Jeanne's sister Catherine.



* UsedToBeASweetKid: Plays this trope with Jeanne. She's a good little girl who is devoted to her Christian faith. Then her sister gets murdered and it's suggested this breaks her.

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* TrueCompanions/ FireForgedFriends: The film portrays the relationship between Jeanne and her fellow soldiers this way.
* UsedToBeASweetKid: Plays this trope with Jeanne. She's a good little girl who is devoted to her Christian faith. Then her sister gets murdered and it's suggested this breaks her.her.
* [[YouKilledMyFather You Killed My Sister]]: Implied to be a major reason behind Jeanne's motivation. Interestingly enough for this trope, it's the English in general Jeanne has this attitude to - rather than the one soldier who actually did it.
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''The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc'' is a 1999 film by Luc Besson about...well...[[Captain Obvious Joan of Arc]]. Milla Jovovich plays the titular heroine, with John Malkovich as Charles II of France, Faye Dunaway as Yolande of Aragon and Dustin Hoffman as Joan's conscience (ItMakesSenseInContext). Naturally the movie first follows Joan's childhood and later her time in the French army, claiming to hear voices from God. The movie also features a considerable amount of Artistic Licence, with Besson claiming he wanted to tell more of an anti-war story - showing through Joan that war changes people.

The first half of the film plays out as you'd expect. Then the second half has Dustin Hoffman show up as Joan's conscience - and {{Deconstruct}} everything about the familiar story.

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* AllThereInTheManual: Dustin Hoffman's character is meant to be Jeanne's own conscience. A good number of viewers thought he was meant to be the Devil.
* ArtisticLicenceHistory: Luc Besson said he didn't really care about retelling the Joan of Arc history so we get...
** The rape and murder of Jeanne's sister is fictional. In real life her whole family fled the village before it was attacked. What's more is that it was attacked by Burgundian soldiers - not English.
** Jeanne has visions as a young child. In real life she claims they didn't start until she was 13.
** Jeanne finds the sword also as a young child. She didn't find it until many years later on her journey to Chinon.
* AwesomeMomentOfCrowning: For Charles II after Orleans is taken.
* BoyishShortHair: Jeanne gives herself a bowl cut like the other soldiers. Historically she actually gave herself a BobHaircut - which is seen as feminine these days but was associated with pageboys back then.
* BraidsOfAction: Jeanne wore her hair sensibly tied back - presumably which she would have done when she went into battle. She subverts it by cutting her hair short instead.
* BreakTheCutie: The vision of the film. Showing that - far from being a graceful LadyOfWar - Jeanne would more likely become a BrokenBird.
* BurnTheWitch: Jeanne's eventual fate. Of course this film takes place in Europe - where that did happen. The English first try to have her burned for heresy and when that doesn't work, then they play the witch card.
* ClothingDamage: British soldiers rip up Jeanne's dress while she's in prison - and then give her men's clothes to wear. This is so they can accuse her of using witchcraft to conjure them up.
* DeathByAdaptation: Jeanne's sister gets raped and murdered by soldiers at the start. As noted above, this did not happen.
* {{Deconstruction}}: Halfway through, the film deconstructs itself and the entire Joan of Arc legend. Dustin Hoffman's character exists to poke holes in Jeanne's theory that she was sent on a mission by God. Notable in that her first clue is finding a sword in a field - the Conscience shows her numerous rational explanations (a soldier dropping it while running away, someone else throwing it aside) and asks why she believes it was sent by God. What's more is that this is really Jeanne questioning ''herself'' internally.
* DownerEnding: Jeanne gets screwed over by the very people she wanted to help, she's burnt at the stake for witchcraft and although the Bishop knows the English are lying, he can't prove it. The epilogue does mention that Joan was finally canonised as a saint in the 20th century.
* EvilBrit: Rather excessively so in this adaptation. A British man first murders Jeanne's sister - and '''then''' rapes her. There's a rather foul-mouthed British sentry in Orleans - and the two who accuse Jeanne of witchcraft are portrayed as cunning and manipulative.
** That being said, the French characters don't get portrayed much better. Charles II and Yolande of Aragon are happy when Jeanne gets them Orleans but lose interest when she keeps demanding more. They ultimately conspire to have her captured.
* ExpositoryHairstyleChange: Before Jeanne is in the army, her hair is long and blonde. During the battle of Orleans, it's short and dark blonde. After that, it's even shorter and darker. While she is in prison it grows longer and has now turned brown.
* FaceDeathWithDignity: Subverted. Jeanne being burned at the stake is horrifying.
* FreudianExcuse: The film gives Jeanne one. It suggests that her crusade against the English army was partially motivated by a desire to avenge her sister's rape and murder by English soldiers.
* GilliganCut: Jeanne writes a letter to the English army at Orleans, giving them the chance to surrender.
--> '''Sentry:''' Go fuck yourself!
--> ''cut to Jeanne and Aulon''
--> '''Jeanne:''' What did they say?
--> '''Aulon:''' They said...[[BlatantLies they'll think about it]].
* HairOfGoldHeartOfGold: Used to convey Catherine's innocence and heroic nature - as her first act is to hide Jeanne from the invading soldiers. Likewise Jeanne's hair is blonde when she's at her most innocent. It darkens as she enters battle.
* ImportantHaircut: Attempted by Jeanne. When she realises that the soldiers don't like taking orders from a woman, she cuts off her hair to look like a man.
* JeanneDArchetype: Deconstructed. Jeanne tries to claim that she only carried her banner and never killed anyone. She's eventually caught out into saying that she did carry a sword too and it's likely that she did kill to defend herself. She's also portrayed as less of a messiah and more possibly of a girl suffering from mental illness. The film also gives her a personal reason to want to fight the English.
* LadyOfWar: Averted, which is notable since Joan is usually portrayed this way.
* MajorInjuryUnderreaction: Aulon has to tell Jeanne that she has an arrow in her leg.
* TheMessiah: Subverted. It's heavily implied that Jeanne's visions are a result of mental illness, which is a common interpretation of her story these days.
* MoodWhiplash: The triumphant scene of Charles II getting crowned abruptly jolts into the middle of the siege of Paris.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: A variation. Jeanne loses consciousness during the battle of Orleans. She wakes up hearing her comrades cheering about winning. She's ecstatic too - but then she sees the hundreds of dead bodies everywhere, everyone covered in blood and one man with a prisoner he's taken - about to knock all his teeth out so he can have them. She is ''horrified'' at what she's just taken part in.
--> '''Jeanne:''' ''This'' is victory? ''This'' is glory!?
* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Joan is referred to as 'Jeanne' throughout, alongside ''Jean'' d'Aulon. There's also a Duke ''John'' of Alençon.
* OohMeAccentsSlipping: Milla Jovovich gives Jeanne a hint of a French accent - but it rarely holds up for very long.
** NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent: Some actors playing French characters - notably John Malkovich, Faye Dunaway and Desmond Harrington.
* RecycledInSpace: The film could be said to be ''Film/ApocalypseNow'' in medieval France.
* RousingSpeech: Inverted. Jeanne gives a speech to the English army convincing them to ''surrender''. It works.
* SanitySlippage: Jeanne throughout the film. This was the director's intention - to show her being driven mad by the war going on around her.
* ShownTheirWork: In spite of a lot of Artistic Licence, the filmmakers did do their homework in other areas:
** Many of Jeanne's lines during the trial are taken directly from the transcript of the real thing.
** Jeanne receives two arrow wounds, one above the breast and the other in the leg - both of which she received in real life.
** Jeanne really did have her virginity tested before the court to prove her merit.
** The scene of Jeanne being able to pick out the real Charles II amongst a crowd of his courtiers was written in many 15th century accounts.
** A minor one - but the collaboration between the English soldiers and the Burgundians was portrayed much more accurately than many previous films.
* SweetPollyOliver: Played with. Jeanne does make herself look more masculine but it's not to pass as a boy. She's hoping they'll take her more seriously if she looks less feminine.
* ThouShaltNotKill: Jeanne reaffirms this in her trial, however her accusers poke holes in this - as she was definitely carrying a sword in battle and would likely have had to defend herself if she came out alive.
* UsedToBeASweetKid: Plays this trope with Jeanne. She's a good little girl who is devoted to her Christian faith. Then her sister gets murdered and it's suggested this breaks her.

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