Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Film / SawII

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/scott2.png]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TheCanKickedHim: Adam's death in the bathroom from the first movie is confirmed here, as his rotting corpse is shown. [[spoiler:Xavier also gets killed by Daniel upon entering the bathroom.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The opening trap, the Death Mask, involves a man named Michael being placed in an iron maiden-like mask harnessed around his neck, with the key being surgically placed behind one of his eyes. He is given tools to remove it, but he is unable to will himself to do it, and the mask ends up closing around his head.

to:

** The opening trap, the Death Mask, involves a man police informant named Michael being placed in awakening with an iron maiden-like mask harnessed around his neck, with neck. His tape informs him that the mask's key being is surgically placed behind one of his eyes. eyes, essentially requiring him to gouge it out. He is given tools to remove it, but and though he starts doing so (complete with jittery close-ups of the scalpel dangerously close to his eye), he is unable to will himself to do it, finish, and the mask ends up closing around his head.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* CriminalMindGames John does this towards the police, having abducted Eric's son Daniel and left him with numerous other victims -- including Amanda, a previous survivor of his games -- in a house filled with death traps, and is recording the whole thing, which becomes useful when Eric and a SWAT team show up to arrest him. John says Daniel will be returned alive and safe if Eric just has a conversation with him, but the house is also filling with nerve gas that will kill everyone inside in two hours. [[spoiler:Daniel is locked in a safe in John's lair, and the recordings were already made, unlike the team's impression that it was live. Everyone other victim in the house is already dead apart from Amanda, and when Eric shows up to the house thinking he'll find Daniel, Amanda reveals that she's John's apprentice, and the whole thing was a revenge scheme of hers because Eric once framed her for a crime and ruined her life. It ends with Amanda leaving him to die in the Bathroom from the [[Film/SawI first film]].]]
* CruelTwistEnding: [[spoiler:When it looks like Eric, the SWAT team, and Amanda and Daniel are going to meet, it's revealed that they're all actually in different places; Eric was in the Nerve Gas House, but Amanda and Daniel (as well as Xavier) [[SequencingDeception weren't there at the same time]], with Daniel being shown to be in Jigsaw's lair, and the SWAT team had just entered a decoy building of the house where they can't find any of the dead victims nor Eric. Not only that, but it turns out that Amanda is an apprentice of Jigsaw, and she locks up Eric in the Bathroom from the first movie as he loses contact with the rest of the police.]]

to:

* CriminalMindGames CriminalMindGames: John does this towards the police, having abducted Eric's son Daniel and left him with numerous other victims -- including Amanda, a previous survivor of his games -- in a house filled with death traps, and is recording the whole thing, which becomes useful when Eric and a SWAT team show up to arrest him. John says Daniel will be returned alive and safe if Eric just has a conversation with him, but the house is also filling with nerve gas that will kill everyone inside in two hours. [[spoiler:Daniel is locked in a safe in John's lair, and the recordings were already made, unlike the team's impression that it was live. Everyone other victim in the house is already dead apart from Amanda, and when Eric shows up to the house thinking he'll find Daniel, Amanda reveals that she's John's apprentice, and the whole thing was a revenge scheme of hers because Eric once framed her for a crime and ruined her life. It ends with Amanda leaving him to die in the Bathroom from the [[Film/SawI first film]].]]
* CruelTwistEnding: [[spoiler:When it looks like Eric, the SWAT team, and Amanda and Daniel are going to meet, it's revealed that they're all actually in different places; places. Eric was in the Nerve Gas House, but Amanda and Daniel (as well as Xavier) [[SequencingDeception weren't there at the same time]], with Daniel being shown to be in Jigsaw's lair, and the SWAT team had just entered a decoy building of the house where they can't find any of the dead victims nor or Eric. Not only that, but it turns out that Amanda is an apprentice of Jigsaw, and she locks up Eric in the Bathroom from the first movie as he loses contact with the rest of the police.]]



* DarkLordOnLifeSupport: Downplayed. John doesn't necessarily need prioritary life support to stay alive yet, but it's clear that his cancer progressed significantly since the first movie, since he's now on a wheel chair and is shown using oxygen masks.

to:

* DarkLordOnLifeSupport: Downplayed. John doesn't necessarily need prioritary urgent life support to stay alive yet, but it's clear that his cancer progressed significantly since the first movie, since he's now on a wheel chair wheelchair and is shown using oxygen masks.



* DrivenToSuicide: Amanda reveals to Daniel, partially via flashback, that after surviving Jigsaw's trap, she was psychologically damaged and wasn't being very good to herself, and we see her cutting her wrists. She also spends the film with her wrists bandaged from the failed attempt. [[spoiler: Subverted when we discover that Jigsaw encouraged her to slash her wrists and told her she had to face death in order to be "reborn."

to:

* DrivenToSuicide: Amanda reveals to Daniel, partially via flashback, that after surviving Jigsaw's trap, she was psychologically damaged and wasn't being very good to herself, and we see her cutting her wrists. She also spends the film with her wrists bandaged from the failed attempt. [[spoiler: Subverted [[spoiler:Subverted when we discover that Jigsaw encouraged her to slash her wrists and told her she had to face death in order to be "reborn.""]]



** Subverted with Amanda. Her T-shirt is short enough that her midriff is often slightly exposed during the film, but WordOfGod stated that while she was also slated to wear sexy attire, her actress Creator/ShawneeSmith pushed for the very basic attire of the T-shirt and sleep pants to avoid making her look sexy, and kept her makeup minimal.

to:

** Subverted with Amanda. Her T-shirt is short enough that her midriff is often slightly exposed during the film, but WordOfGod stated that while she was also slated to wear sexy attire, her actress Creator/ShawneeSmith pushed for minimal makeup and the very basic attire of the T-shirt and sleep pants to avoid making her look sexy, and kept her makeup minimal.sexy.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Implied with Amanda. In a flashback, we see her cutting her wrists, and she spends the film with bandages over her wrists, indicating that she was discovered before she could die. Her attire also suggests that she may have been plucked out of some sort of psychiatric institution (a plain T-shirt, sleep pants, and the fact that she's barefoot) by Jigsaw to be put in the Nerve Gas House. [[spoiler:Subverted at the end, where we discover that Jigsaw was with her when she slit her wrists and encouraged her to do so to be "reborn," and is seen taking her from her apartment, likely to receive medical care.]]

to:

** Implied with Amanda. In a flashback, we see her cutting her wrists, and she spends the film with bandages over her wrists, indicating that she was discovered before she could die. Her attire (a plain T-shirt, sleep pants, and the fact that she's barefoot) also suggests that she may have been plucked out of some sort of psychiatric institution (a plain T-shirt, sleep pants, and the fact that she's barefoot) by Jigsaw to be put in the Nerve Gas House. [[spoiler:Subverted at the end, where we discover that Jigsaw was with her when she slit her wrists and encouraged her to do so to be "reborn," and is seen taking her from her apartment, likely to receive medical care.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Daniel is just a troubled kid put into the trials of the city's most notorious SerialKiller despite having done ''nothing'' wrong to warrant it considering the killer's twisted philosophy. [[spoiler:As it turns out, his role in Jigsaw's game is merely part of a greater conspiracy concerning his father, and he's betrayed and subdued by the closest person he had to a friend in his ordeal. By the time the police discover him, he's completely broken on an emotional level.]]
** Also Laura [[spoiler: Who seems the most innocent of the trapped victims, and breaks down crying at the halfway point, lamenting about her possible death and the fact that she's going to miss out on so many years of her life so many people to meet if she dies.]]
** Subverted with [[spoiler: Amanda. After seeing her tear-filled breakdown in the first film after surviving her trap, and her BigNo reaction to finding she's in ANOTHER Jigsaw trap, she almost immediately garners audience sympathy, as surviving one Jigsaw trap is enough, and being put in a second seems like Jigsaw going out of his way to finish what he started, and maintains sympathy even though she has a closed-off, loner personality throughout the film, opening up only to Daniel. Later we discover that her presence wasn't further torture from Jigsaw, and that she was in on it all along.]]

to:

** Daniel is just a troubled kid put into the trials of the city's most notorious SerialKiller despite having done ''nothing'' wrong to warrant it it, considering the killer's twisted philosophy. [[spoiler:As it turns out, his role in Jigsaw's game is merely part of a greater conspiracy concerning his father, and he's betrayed and subdued by the closest person he had to a friend in his ordeal. By the time the police discover him, he's completely broken on an emotional level.]]
** Also Laura [[spoiler: Who seems Laura, who appears to be the most innocent of the trapped victims, and Nerve Gas House victims aside from Daniel, breaks down crying at the halfway point, lamenting about her possible death and the fact that she's going to miss out on so many years of her life so many people to meet if she dies.]]
dies.
** Subverted with [[spoiler: Amanda. After seeing her tear-filled breakdown in the first film after from surviving her trap, first test, and her BigNo reaction to finding she's in ANOTHER another Jigsaw trap, trap here, she almost immediately garners audience sympathy, as surviving one Jigsaw trap is enough, and being put in a second seems like Jigsaw going out of his way to finish what he started, and maintains sympathy even though she has a closed-off, loner personality throughout the film, opening up only to Daniel. Later However, we discover at the end that her presence wasn't further torture from Jigsaw, and that she was in on it all along.]] ]]



** Laura's top gives a generous view of her cleavage, which was even lampshaded by her actress Creator/BeverleyMitchell during the film's commentary.
** Addison's attire is also somewhat revealing, especially considering the situation. In the commentary, it was discussed that a flashback scene was planned, but not filmed, that would have had Addison giving Eric Matthews a lapdance, much to Creator/DonnieWahlberg's faux chagrin.

to:

** Laura's top gives a generous view of her cleavage, which was even lampshaded by her actress Creator/BeverleyMitchell during in the film's commentary.
** Addison's attire is also somewhat revealing, especially considering the situation. In the commentary, it was discussed that a flashback scene was planned, but not filmed, that would have had Addison giving Eric Matthews a lapdance, much to Creator/DonnieWahlberg's faux chagrin.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** This film's final scene mirrors that of the first: a villainous character ([[spoiler:Amanda, rather than Jigsaw]]) saying "game over" and sealing the bathroom door shut, leaving a chained-up man who failed the test ([[spoiler:Eric, rather than Adam]]) to die alone in the dark as they scream.

to:

** This film's final scene mirrors that of the first: a villainous character ([[spoiler:Amanda, rather than Jigsaw]]) saying "game over" and sealing the bathroom door shut, leaving a chained-up man person who failed the test ([[spoiler:Eric, rather than Adam]]) to die alone in the dark as they scream.

Added: 477

Changed: 475

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BreakTheCutie: Daniel is just a troubled kid put into the trials of the city's most notorious SerialKiller despite having done ''nothing'' wrong to warrant it considering the killer's twisted philosophy. [[spoiler:As it turns out, his role in Jigsaw's game is merely part of a greater conspiracy concerning his father, and he's betrayed and subdued by the closest person he had to a friend in his ordeal. By the time the police discover him, he's completely broken on an emotional level.]]

to:

* BreakTheCutie: BreakTheCutie:
**
Daniel is just a troubled kid put into the trials of the city's most notorious SerialKiller despite having done ''nothing'' wrong to warrant it considering the killer's twisted philosophy. [[spoiler:As it turns out, his role in Jigsaw's game is merely part of a greater conspiracy concerning his father, and he's betrayed and subdued by the closest person he had to a friend in his ordeal. By the time the police discover him, he's completely broken on an emotional level.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
The first entry of Bungled Suicide is not a major spoiler relevant to the plot.


** [[spoiler:Jigsaw reveals that he had one, which ended up becoming the main impetus for his, er, line of work. He responded to the news of his being terminal by driving off a cliff, which he survived, with his survival even giving him the willpower to pull rebar out of his side. Reportedly, no one was more amazed by his survival than him, so he made it his life's mission to test the will to live in others.]]
** Also, [[spoiler: Amanda. In a flashback, we see her cutting her wrists, and she spends the film with bandages over her wrists, indicating she was discovered before she died. Her attire also suggests that she may have been plucked out of some sort of psychiatric institution (a plain T-shirt, sleep pants, and the fact that she's barefoot, and therefore has no shoes with laces or a belt to attempt to hang herself with) by Jigsaw to be put in the Nerve Gas House. Subverted when we discover that Jigsaw was with her when she slit her wrists and encouraged her to do so to be "reborn," and is seen taking her from her apartment, likely to receive medical care.]]

to:

** [[spoiler:Jigsaw Jigsaw reveals to Eric that he had one, which ended up becoming the main impetus for his, er, line of work. He responded to the news of his being terminal by driving off a cliff, which he survived, with his survival even giving him the willpower to pull rebar out of his side. Reportedly, no one was more amazed by his survival than him, so he made it his life's mission to test the will to live in others.]]
others.
** Also, [[spoiler: Implied with Amanda. In a flashback, we see her cutting her wrists, and she spends the film with bandages over her wrists, indicating that she was discovered before she died. could die. Her attire also suggests that she may have been plucked out of some sort of psychiatric institution (a plain T-shirt, sleep pants, and the fact that she's barefoot, and therefore has no shoes with laces or a belt to attempt to hang herself with) barefoot) by Jigsaw to be put in the Nerve Gas House. Subverted when [[spoiler:Subverted at the end, where we discover that Jigsaw was with her when she slit her wrists and encouraged her to do so to be "reborn," and is seen taking her from her apartment, likely to receive medical care.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Mostly subverted with Amanda. Her T-shirt is short enough that her midriff is often slightly exposed during the film, but WordOfGod stated that while she was also slated to wear sexy attire, her actress Creator/ShawneeSmith pushed for the very basic attire of the T-shirt and sleep pants to avoid making her look sexy, and kept her makeup minimal.

to:

** Mostly subverted Subverted with Amanda. Her T-shirt is short enough that her midriff is often slightly exposed during the film, but WordOfGod stated that while she was also slated to wear sexy attire, her actress Creator/ShawneeSmith pushed for the very basic attire of the T-shirt and sleep pants to avoid making her look sexy, and kept her makeup minimal.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Laura's top gives a generous view of her cleavage, which was even lampshaded by her actress Creator/BeverleyMitchell during the film's commentary, and Addison's attire is also somewhat revealing, especially considering the situation.
** Also, in the commentary, it was discussed that a flashback scene was planned, but not filmed, that would have had Addison giving Eric Matthews a lapdance, much to Creator/DonnieWahlberg's faux chagrin.
** Mostly subverted with Amanda. Her T-shirt is short enough that her midriff is often slightly exposed during the film, but it was revealed by the filmmakers that while she was also slated to wear sexy attire, her actress Creator/ShawneeSmith pushed for the very basic attire of the T-shirt and sleep pants to avoid making her look sexy, and kept her makeup minimal.

to:

** Laura's top gives a generous view of her cleavage, which was even lampshaded by her actress Creator/BeverleyMitchell during the film's commentary, and commentary.
**
Addison's attire is also somewhat revealing, especially considering the situation.
** Also, in
situation. In the commentary, it was discussed that a flashback scene was planned, but not filmed, that would have had Addison giving Eric Matthews a lapdance, much to Creator/DonnieWahlberg's faux chagrin.
** Mostly subverted with Amanda. Her T-shirt is short enough that her midriff is often slightly exposed during the film, but it was revealed by the filmmakers WordOfGod stated that while she was also slated to wear sexy attire, her actress Creator/ShawneeSmith pushed for the very basic attire of the T-shirt and sleep pants to avoid making her look sexy, and kept her makeup minimal.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* SayMyName: [[spoiler:Eric screams Daniel's name multiple times when he awakens chained in the bathroom.]]

to:

* SayMyName: [[spoiler:Eric screams Daniel's name multiple times when he awakens chained in the bathroom.Bathroom.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TreasureChestCavity: In the Death Mask, Michael has a key implanted behind one of his eyes, which he has to take out in order to deactivate it and survive. Despite said eye appearing damaged enough to remove it safely, Michael hesitates to do so, having never done such thing before, which leads to his death.

to:

* TreasureChestCavity: In the Death Mask, Michael has a key implanted behind one of his eyes, which he has to take out in order to deactivate it and survive. Despite said eye appearing damaged enough to remove it safely, Michael hesitates to do so, having never done such a thing before, which leads to his death.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* PsychopathicManchild: Xavier fails to reach the antidote in time after Amanda gives him the key, and he starts sobbing and flipping out like a little kid, even seemingly blaming her for his own inability to get the key into the lock in time (He even drops it once,) and moving threateningly to hurt the already needle-injured Amanda before Jonas stops him.

to:

* PsychopathicManchild: After Xavier fails to reach the antidote in time after Amanda gives him the key, and he starts sobbing and flipping out like a little kid, kid. He even seemingly blaming blames her for his own inability to get the key into the lock in time (He (and even drops dropping it once,) once), and moving moves threateningly to hurt the already needle-injured Amanda her before Jonas stops him.



* ShaggyDogStory: Several traps end with people going through hell but ultimately making zero progress.
** [[spoiler:Obi dies as a result of his furnace trap; by the time the group breaks open the glass door and enables him to free his head and one arm, not only does he keel over moments after, but the arm holding the antidotes is still in the furnace, and they were likely burned up as well.]]

to:

* ShaggyDogStory: Several traps end with people going through hell but ultimately making zero progress.
progress for the group.
** [[spoiler:Obi dies as a result of his furnace trap; by the time the group breaks open the glass door and enables him to free his head and one an arm, not only does he keel over moments after, but the arm holding the antidotes is still in the furnace, and they were likely burned up as well.]]

Added: 2054

Changed: 2393

Removed: 557

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BrooklynRage: Xavier may or may not be a New Yorker, but he fits the bill.
* BungledSuicide: [[spoiler:Jigsaw reveals that he had one, which ended up becoming the main impetus for his, er, "line of work". He responded to the news of his being terminal by driving off a cliff, which he survived, even giving him the willpower to pull rebar out of his side. No one was more amazed by his survival than him, however, so he made it his life's mission to test the will to live in others.]]
** Also, [[spoiler: Amanda. In a flashback, we see her cutting her wrists, and she spends the film with bandages over her wrists, indicating she was discovered before she died. Her attire also suggests that she may have been plucked out of some sort of psychiatric institution (a plain t-shirt, sleep pants, and the fact that she's barefoot, I.E., no shoes with laces or a belt to attempt to hang herself with) by Jigsaw to be put in the Nerve Gas House. Subverted when we discover that Jigsaw was with her when she slit her wrists and encouraged her to do so to be "reborn," and is seen taking her from her apartment, likely to receive medical care.]]

to:

* %%* BrooklynRage: Xavier may or may not be a New Yorker, but he fits the bill.
* BungledSuicide: BungledSuicide:
**
[[spoiler:Jigsaw reveals that he had one, which ended up becoming the main impetus for his, er, "line line of work". work. He responded to the news of his being terminal by driving off a cliff, which he survived, with his survival even giving him the willpower to pull rebar out of his side. No Reportedly, no one was more amazed by his survival than him, however, so he made it his life's mission to test the will to live in others.]]
** Also, [[spoiler: Amanda. In a flashback, we see her cutting her wrists, and she spends the film with bandages over her wrists, indicating she was discovered before she died. Her attire also suggests that she may have been plucked out of some sort of psychiatric institution (a plain t-shirt, T-shirt, sleep pants, and the fact that she's barefoot, I.E., and therefore has no shoes with laces or a belt to attempt to hang herself with) by Jigsaw to be put in the Nerve Gas House. Subverted when we discover that Jigsaw was with her when she slit her wrists and encouraged her to do so to be "reborn," and is seen taking her from her apartment, likely to receive medical care.]]



* ExactWords: John tells Eric that if they talk long enough, Eric will find his kidnapped son in "a safe and secure place." [[spoiler:At the end of the movie, it's revealed that Eric's son was locked in a safe in John's hideout, just a few feet away from Eric the whole time, and quite literally all he needed to do was sit and talk to him.]]

to:

* ExactWords: John tells Eric that if they talk long enough, Eric will find his kidnapped son in "a safe and secure place." [[spoiler:At the end of the movie, it's revealed that Eric's son was locked in a safe ''safe'' in John's hideout, just a few feet away from Eric the whole time, and quite literally all he needed to do was sit and talk to him.John.]]



** The opening trap, the Death Mask, involves Michael being placed in an iron maiden-like mask harnessed around his neck, with the key being surgically placed behind one of his eyes. He is given tools to remove it, which he is unable to do, and the mask ends up closing around his head.

to:

** The opening trap, the Death Mask, involves a man named Michael being placed in an iron maiden-like mask harnessed around his neck, with the key being surgically placed behind one of his eyes. He is given tools to remove it, which but he is unable to do, will himself to do it, and the mask ends up closing around his head.



* FanService: Laura's top gives a generous view of her cleavage, and was even lampshaded by Creator/BeverleyMitchell during the film's commentary, and Addison's attire is also somewhat revealing, especially considering the situation. Also, in the commentary, it was discussed that a flashback scene was planned, but not filmed, that would have had Addison giving Eric Matthews a lapdance, much to Creator/DonnieWahlberg's faux chagrin.
** Mostly subverted with Amanda. Her t-shirt is short enough that her belly is often slightly exposed during the film, but it was revealed by the filmmakers that while Amanda was also slated to wear sexy attire, Creator/ShawneeSmith pushed for the very basic attire of the t-shirt and sleep pants to avoid making Amanda look sexy, and kept her makeup minimal.

to:

* FanService: {{Fanservice}}:
**
Laura's top gives a generous view of her cleavage, and which was even lampshaded by her actress Creator/BeverleyMitchell during the film's commentary, and Addison's attire is also somewhat revealing, especially considering the situation. situation.
**
Also, in the commentary, it was discussed that a flashback scene was planned, but not filmed, that would have had Addison giving Eric Matthews a lapdance, much to Creator/DonnieWahlberg's faux chagrin.
** Mostly subverted with Amanda. Her t-shirt T-shirt is short enough that her belly midriff is often slightly exposed during the film, but it was revealed by the filmmakers that while Amanda she was also slated to wear sexy attire, her actress Creator/ShawneeSmith pushed for the very basic attire of the t-shirt T-shirt and sleep pants to avoid making Amanda her look sexy, and kept her makeup minimal. minimal.



* {{Fingore}}:
** A common depiction in the movie's posters (a less graphic version of which is pictured above) is a pair of severed fingers with a decayed appearance, taking place as the "II" in the film's title.
** In the film itself, while her fingers are not shown graphically, Amanda's adrenaline kicks in when Xavier throws her into the Needle Pit and she starts wildly digging through the piles of used needles in search for the key. This can be a rather tough scene to watch, especially as she treats it as though she's just digging through a pile of harmless sand.

to:

* {{Fingore}}:
**
{{Fingore}}: A common depiction in the movie's posters (a less graphic version of which is pictured above) is a pair of severed fingers with a decayed appearance, taking place as the "II" in the film's title.
** In the film itself, while her fingers are not shown graphically, Amanda's adrenaline kicks in when Xavier throws her into the Needle Pit and she starts wildly digging through the piles of used needles in search for the key. This can be a rather tough scene to watch, especially as she treats it as though she's just digging through a pile of harmless sand.
title.



* TheHeavy: [[spoiler: Xavier ]] ends up as the single biggest threat to the victims of the Nerve Gas House, who are already racing against the clock in Jigsaw's test.

to:

* TheHeavy: [[spoiler: Xavier ]] Xavier]] ends up as the single biggest threat to the victims of the Nerve Gas House, who are already racing against the clock in Jigsaw's test.



** Jigsaw tells Eric that his son is in a "''safe'' place" is also this, as [[spoiler:the ending reveals that he was quite literally in a safe a short distance away from Eric the entire time]].

to:

** Jigsaw tells telling Eric that his son is in a "''safe'' and secure place" is also this, as [[spoiler:the ending reveals that he was quite literally in a safe a short distance away from Eric the entire time]].


Added DiffLines:

* SayMyName: [[spoiler:Eric screams Daniel's name multiple times when he awakens chained in the bathroom.]]


Added DiffLines:

* ShaggyDogStory: Several traps end with people going through hell but ultimately making zero progress.
** [[spoiler:Obi dies as a result of his furnace trap; by the time the group breaks open the glass door and enables him to free his head and one arm, not only does he keel over moments after, but the arm holding the antidotes is still in the furnace, and they were likely burned up as well.]]
** [[spoiler:While Amanda manages to find the key in the Needle Pit (which wasn't intended for her) after fighting through excruciating pain and under a tight time limit, upon throwing it to Xavier (who the trap ''was'' intended for), he drops it while trying to unlock the door, and the time for the trap runs out.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* DarkerAndEdgier: Downplayed in comparison to the first film. While the overall tone and aesthetic don't change much, police corruption is addressed with Eric's backstory, the tension and psychological torture among characters is more intense, and Daniel (a minor) is put in more dangerous situations than fellow minor Diana Gordon from the first film.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** [[spoiler:After knowing who Amanda REALLY is, and what she does in future movies, Xavier pushing her into the Needle Pit is this in hindsight.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* RageBreakingPoint: Downplayed. Detective Jenkins angrily tells Scott to stop asking him about things that only the police can have knowledge of when he asks him for what reason Eric was tested.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** In the film itself, while her fingers are not shown graphically, Amanda's adrenaline kicks in when Xavier throws her into the Needle Pit and she starts wildly digging through the piles of used needles in search for the key. It can be a rather tough scene to watch, especially as she treats it as though she's just digging through a pile of harmless sand.

to:

** In the film itself, while her fingers are not shown graphically, Amanda's adrenaline kicks in when Xavier throws her into the Needle Pit and she starts wildly digging through the piles of used needles in search for the key. It This can be a rather tough scene to watch, especially as she treats it as though she's just digging through a pile of harmless sand.

Added: 357

Changed: 557

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{Fingore}}: A common depiction in the movie's posters (a less graphic version of which is pictured above) is a pair of severed fingers with a decayed appearance, taking place as the "II" in the film's title.
** Also, while it's not shown graphically, Amanda's adrenaline kicks in while she's in the needle pit and she starts wildly digging through a pile of used needles searching for a key, which is an incredibly tough sequence to watch, especially as she treats it as though she's just digging through a pile of harmless sand.

to:

* {{Fingore}}: {{Fingore}}:
**
A common depiction in the movie's posters (a less graphic version of which is pictured above) is a pair of severed fingers with a decayed appearance, taking place as the "II" in the film's title.
** Also, In the film itself, while it's her fingers are not shown graphically, Amanda's adrenaline kicks in while she's in when Xavier throws her into the needle pit Needle Pit and she starts wildly digging through a pile the piles of used needles searching in search for the key. It can be a key, which is an incredibly rather tough sequence scene to watch, especially as she treats it as though she's just digging through a pile of harmless sand.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* BeneathSuspicion: Downplayed with [[spoiler:Amanda]], one of the supposed victims in the Nerve Gas House. While nobody ever suspects her as [[spoiler:being a Jigsaw apprentice]], there's a decent amount of {{Foreshadowing}} to it over the course of the film before her reveal at the end.

Added: 207

Changed: 70

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* MagicCountdown: After John explains his motivation to Eric for four minutes, the timer for everyone in the Nerve Gas House to die drops by 23 minutes from the last time it was seen (which was just before).



* MoeGreeneSpecial: [[spoiler:Gus looks through a peephole with a magnum pistol behind it, and gets this dealt to him for his trouble.]]
* MoralityPet: Almost everyone, but particularly Daniel and Amanda, treats Laura protectively as she begins to weaken from the gas. [[spoiler:The remaining survivors splinter after her death, though this is also because Daniel's connection to Eric has been exposed by that moment.]]
* MurderByCremation: [[spoiler:Obi has to climb inside a furnace to retrieve one of the keys, but inadvertently activates the trap, locking himself in until he's burned to death. He had a chance to live, however; Jigsaw hinted that "once you are in hell, only the devil can help you out," and inside the furnace there was a painting of the devil pointing to the furnace's gas valve with "Twist" next to it. The problem was that Obi would have had to crawl back into the flames to turn the valve.]]

to:

* MoeGreeneSpecial: [[spoiler:Gus looks through a peephole with a magnum pistol behind it, it]], and gets this dealt to him for his trouble.]]
trouble.
* MoralityPet: Almost everyone, but particularly Daniel and Amanda, treats Laura protectively as she begins to weaken from the gas. [[spoiler:The The remaining survivors splinter after her death, [[spoiler:her death]], though this is also because Daniel's [[spoiler:Daniel's connection to Eric has been exposed by that moment.]]
moment]].
* MurderByCremation: [[spoiler:Obi Obi has to climb inside a furnace to retrieve one of the keys, but inadvertently activates the trap, locking himself in until he's [[spoiler:he's burned to death. death]]. He had a chance to live, escape, however; Jigsaw hinted that "once you are in hell, only the devil can help you out," and inside the furnace there was a painting of the devil pointing to the furnace's gas valve with "Twist" next to it. The problem was that Obi would have had to crawl back into the flames to turn the valve.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Fanservice: Laura's top gives a generous view of her cleavage, and was even lampshaded by Creator/BeverleyMitchell during the film's commentary, and Addison's attire is also somewhat revealing, especially considering the situation. Also, in the commentary, it was discussed that a flashback scene was planned, but not filmed, that would have had Addison giving Eric Matthews a lapdance, much to Creator/DonnieWahlberg's faux chagrin.

to:

* Fanservice: FanService: Laura's top gives a generous view of her cleavage, and was even lampshaded by Creator/BeverleyMitchell during the film's commentary, and Addison's attire is also somewhat revealing, especially considering the situation. Also, in the commentary, it was discussed that a flashback scene was planned, but not filmed, that would have had Addison giving Eric Matthews a lapdance, much to Creator/DonnieWahlberg's faux chagrin.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Fanservice: Laura's top gives a generous view of her cleavage, and was even lampshaded by Creator/BeverlyMitchell during the film's commentary, and Addison's attire is also somewhat revealing, especially considering the situation. Also, in the commentary, it was discussed that a flashback scene was planned, but not filmed, that would have had Addison giving Eric Matthews a lapdance, much to Creator/DonnieWahlberg's faux chagrin.

to:

* Fanservice: Laura's top gives a generous view of her cleavage, and was even lampshaded by Creator/BeverlyMitchell Creator/BeverleyMitchell during the film's commentary, and Addison's attire is also somewhat revealing, especially considering the situation. Also, in the commentary, it was discussed that a flashback scene was planned, but not filmed, that would have had Addison giving Eric Matthews a lapdance, much to Creator/DonnieWahlberg's faux chagrin.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Also, [[spoiler: Amanda. In a flashback, we see her cutting her wrists, and she spends the film with bandages over her wrists, indicating she was discovered before she died. Her attire also suggests that she may have been plucked out of some sort of psychiatric institution (a plain t-shirt, sleep pants, and the fact that she's barefoot, I.E., no shoes with laces or a belt to attempt to hang herself with) by Jigsaw to be put in the Nerve Gas House. Subverted when we discover that Jigsaw was with her when she slit her wrists and encouraged her to do so to be "reborn," and is seen taking her from her apartment, likely to receive medical care.]]


Added DiffLines:

* Fanservice: Laura's top gives a generous view of her cleavage, and was even lampshaded by Creator/BeverlyMitchell during the film's commentary, and Addison's attire is also somewhat revealing, especially considering the situation. Also, in the commentary, it was discussed that a flashback scene was planned, but not filmed, that would have had Addison giving Eric Matthews a lapdance, much to Creator/DonnieWahlberg's faux chagrin.
** Mostly subverted with Amanda. Her t-shirt is short enough that her belly is often slightly exposed during the film, but it was revealed by the filmmakers that while Amanda was also slated to wear sexy attire, Creator/ShawneeSmith pushed for the very basic attire of the t-shirt and sleep pants to avoid making Amanda look sexy, and kept her makeup minimal.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Subverted with [[spoiler: Amanda. After seeing her tear-filled breakdown in the first film after surviving her trap, she almost immediately garners audience sympathy, as surviving one Jigsaw trap is enough, and being put in a second seems like Jigsaw going out of his way to finish what he started, and maintains sympathy even though she has a closed-off, loner personality throughout the film, opening up only to Daniel. Later we discover that her presence wasn't further torture from Jigsaw, and that she was in on it all along.]]

to:

** Subverted with [[spoiler: Amanda. After seeing her tear-filled breakdown in the first film after surviving her trap, and her BigNo reaction to finding she's in ANOTHER Jigsaw trap, she almost immediately garners audience sympathy, as surviving one Jigsaw trap is enough, and being put in a second seems like Jigsaw going out of his way to finish what he started, and maintains sympathy even though she has a closed-off, loner personality throughout the film, opening up only to Daniel. Later we discover that her presence wasn't further torture from Jigsaw, and that she was in on it all along.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* TheSnarkKnight: Amanda. After her initial BigNo realization she's in another Jigsaw trap, Amanda falls into this role, keeping on the peripheral, occasionally telling people to listen to instructions instead of going off half-cocked, and staying closed off from pretty much everyone except Daniel and partially Laura. She definitely has an air of world-weary disdain over the situation she's in, and some of the others trapped in the house, as well as herself, telling Daniel the reason she's being tested again is because she was so psychologically damaged from the first trap that she tried to kill herself. [[spoiler: Subverted when we find out that she's Jigsaw's apprentice, and her distant demeanor was largely so the other test subjects could learn the hard way from the traps, and that her suicide attempt was actually encouraged by Jigsaw.]]

Added: 2907

Changed: 1765

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AgonyOfTheFeet: After [[spoiler: Amanda is pulled out of the needle pit, she has several needles stuck in her bare feet. Also, she would have been getting jabbed by them while she was in there, though it doesn't impede her mobility at all after she gets the needles plucked out of her by Daniel.]]

to:

* ActionGirl: Amanda plays with this trope as the film progresses, though most if it is playing keep away when [[spoiler: Xavier goes homicidal.]] Due to her history with Jigsaw from the prior film, she's constantly looking around rooms for hidden clues or items, and picking things up that may be useful later.
* AgonyOfTheFeet: After [[spoiler: Amanda is pulled out of the needle pit, she has several needles stuck in her bare feet. Also, she would have been getting her feet jabbed by them while she was in there, though it doesn't impede her mobility at all after she gets the needles plucked out of her by Daniel.]]
* AndIMustScream: [[spoiler: Eric ends the film trapped in the bathroom from the first film, in the dark, with seemingly no way to free himself, and with a rotting corpse, looking at a slow death from dehydration or starvation. And he does scream, although a lot of it is expletives.
]]



** Also Laura [[spoiler: Who seems the most innocent of the trapped victims, and breaks down crying at the halfway point, lamenting about her possible death and the fact that she's going to miss out on so many years of her life so many people to meet if she dies.]]
** Subverted with [[spoiler: Amanda. After seeing her tear-filled breakdown in the first film after surviving her trap, she almost immediately garners audience sympathy, as surviving one Jigsaw trap is enough, and being put in a second seems like Jigsaw going out of his way to finish what he started, and maintains sympathy even though she has a closed-off, loner personality throughout the film, opening up only to Daniel. Later we discover that her presence wasn't further torture from Jigsaw, and that she was in on it all along.]]



* DeathByIrony: The ''intention'' behind the house is for each victim to encounter an individually-tailored trap that could get them a dose of the antidote or kill them. [[spoiler:But the fast-acting nerve toxin and Xavier's rampage means that most of the victims don't even have a chance to discover their own tests.]]

to:

* DeathByIrony: The ''intention'' behind the house is for each victim to encounter an individually-tailored trap that could get them a dose of the antidote or kill them. [[spoiler:But the fast-acting nerve toxin and Xavier's rampage means that most of the victims don't even have a chance to discover their own tests. Further, Addison gets her hands trapped in a trap that was actually designed for Gus, and doesn't listen to the taped instructions because the recorder was in the possession of Jonas' corpse.]]



* DirtyCop: [[spoiler:All of the victims in the Nerve Gas House besides Daniel were people Eric planted evidence on and framed for crimes that they never committed. We also see recorded TV footage of him becoming belligerent and violent with a news reporter asking him about his history of using physical force when talking with suspects.]]

to:

* DirtyCop: [[spoiler:All of the victims in the Nerve Gas House besides Daniel were people Eric planted evidence on and framed for crimes that they never committed. We also see recorded TV footage of him becoming belligerent and violent with a news reporter asking him about his history of using physical force when talking with suspects.suspects, and Jigsaw references Eric's shoot first attitude, and the fact that he broke a suspect's jaw with a flashlight.]]



* DrivenToSuicide: Amanda reveals to Daniel, partially via flashback, that after surviving Jigsaw's trap, she was psychologically damaged and wasn't being very good to herself, and we see her cutting her wrists. She also spends the film with her wrists bandaged from the failed attempt. [[spoiler: Subverted when we discover that Jigsaw encouraged her to slash her wrists and told her she had to face death in order to be "reborn."



* FinalGirl: Subverted. [[spoiler:Amanda appears to fulfill this role best, but then it's revealed at the end that she was working with Jigsaw all along.]]

to:

* FinalGirl: Subverted. [[spoiler:Amanda [[spoiler: Amanda appears poised to fulfill fill this role best, role, but then it's revealed at the end that she was working with Jigsaw all along.along. Still, she is the final female survivor, and when Xavier goes homicidal and starts killing/leaving people to die in pursuit of the numbers on their necks, she was in unplanned peril, and Xavier almost makes an attempt to kill her before Daniel intervenes.]]



** Also, while it's not shown graphically, Amanda's adrenaline kicks in while she's in the needle pit and she starts wildly digging through a pile of used needles searching for a key, which is an incredibly tough sequence to watch, especially as she treats it as though she's just digging through a pile of harmless sand.



* TheHeavy: Xavier acts as the single biggest threat to the victims of the Nerver Gas House, who are already racing against the clock in Jigsaw's test.

to:

* TheHeavy: [[spoiler: Xavier acts ]] ends up as the single biggest threat to the victims of the Nerver Nerve Gas House, who are already racing against the clock in Jigsaw's test.



** Amanda also has flashes of anger, especially when they don't listen to her in the beginning and one of them dies.
--->'''Amanda:''' "He's testing us! He wants us to survive this. But you have to play by the fucking RULES!"



* HumanPincushion: Xavier's test in the Nerve Gas House involves him entering a pit of used needles to retrieve the key needed to get an antidote out of a safe. Xavier refuses to do the task himself and instead throws Amanda into the pit. As painful and gruesome as the pit is, Amanda completes the task, only for Xavier to accidentally drop the key down a hole when she gives it to him.

to:

* HumanPincushion: Xavier's test in the Nerve Gas House involves him entering a pit of used needles to retrieve the key needed to get an antidote out of a safe. Xavier refuses to do the task himself and instead throws Amanda into the pit. As painful and gruesome as the pit is, Amanda completes the task, only for Xavier to accidentally drop the key down a hole when she gives it to him.and waste so much time getting the key into the lock that the timer goes off and the door locks forever before he can turn the key.



* PlayingPossum: [[spoiler: Daniel is seemingly dead when Xavier finally corners him and Amanda in the Bathroom. When Xavier moves to kill Amanda and check the number on the back of her neck, Daniel suddenly reveals he wasn't dead, and uses one of the hacksaws from the first film to slice Xavier's throat open.]]



* PsychopathicManchild: Xavier fails to reach the antidote in time after Amanda gives him the key, and he starts sobbing and flipping out like a little kid, even seemingly blaming her for his own inability to get the key into the lock in time.

to:

* PsychopathicManchild: Xavier fails to reach the antidote in time after Amanda gives him the key, and he starts sobbing and flipping out like a little kid, even seemingly blaming her for his own inability to get the key into the lock in time.time (He even drops it once,) and moving threateningly to hurt the already needle-injured Amanda before Jonas stops him.



** Jigsaw telling the Nerve Gas House test subjects that looking for a key to a locked door will be like trying to find "a needle in a haystack" as the bed is moved to reveal a pit of used syringes in a hole in the floor.]]



* SecretTestOfCharacter: Not necessarily as secret as others, but the entire point of the movie is testing whether Eric has changed, and seeing if he can sit and wait instead of resorting to violence.

to:

* SecretTestOfCharacter: Not necessarily as secret as others, but the entire point of the movie is testing whether [[spoiler: Eric has changed, and seeing if he can sit and wait instead of resorting to violence.violence. He fails.]]



*** The group later finds a furnace with an antidote inside of it, which Obi volunteers to retrieve (since the trap was made for him in mind anyway). He walks into the furnace and ''grabs it without a second thought'', [[spoiler:immediately setting the furnace off and burning him to death. If he took the time to look around inside, he would have seen the valve that turns the fire off, but once he notices its existence it's already too late]].

to:

*** The group later finds a furnace with an antidote inside of it, which Obi volunteers to retrieve (since the trap was made for him in mind anyway). He walks into the furnace and, after nothing bad happens when h removes the first syringe, goes for the second and ''grabs it without a second thought'', [[spoiler:immediately locking the exit door, setting the furnace off and burning him to death. If he took the time to look around inside, he would have seen the valve that turns the fire off, but once he notices its existence it's already too late]].late, Also, the second syringe was clearly attached to a pull chain, but instead of removing the syringe from the chain itself, he just pulled the syringe and the chain down together.]]



* WhereItAllBegan: The climax drops the bombshell that [[spoiler:the movie's main game took place in the same building as the first movie, and that the Bathroom (the first film's centerpiece) is merely one of its many rooms]].
* WorfHadTheFlu: [[spoiler:When Xavier attacks Jonas for the code number on the back of his neck, Jonas overpowers him, but briefly succumbs to the nerve gas. This allows Xavier to win the fight.]]

to:

* WhereItAllBegan: The climax drops the bombshell that [[spoiler:the movie's main game took place in the same building as the first movie, and that the Bathroom (the first film's centerpiece) is merely one of its many rooms]].
connected to the house through a long underground passage.]]
* WorfHadTheFlu: [[spoiler:When Xavier attacks Jonas for the code number on the back of his neck, Jonas overpowers him, but briefly succumbs to the nerve gas. gas and has a violent coughing fit. This allows Xavier to win the fight.fight by clubbing him in the head with the spiked bat.]]

Added: 299

Changed: 659

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AgonyOfTheFeet: After [[spoiler: Amanda is pulled out of the needle pit, she has several needles stuck in her bare feet. Also, she would have been getting jabbed by them while she was in there, though it doesn't impede her mobility at all after she gets the needles plucked out of her by Daniel.]]



* BarefootCaptives[=/=]DoesNotLikeShoes: Despite the presence of ''multiple'' dead people who she could have taken a pair of shoes from, Amanda is barefoot throughout almost the whole film, including the [[AgonyOfTheFeet needle pit]] scene. Subverted by the fact that the first three victims are adult males, and would have had a much bigger shoe size than Amanda could have realistically worn without them falling off her feet when she walked. Also, one of the victims was burned, so his shoes would have melted anyway. Laura is the first person to die who could have possibly worn shoes in a size similar to Amanda, but by that point, all Hell was breaking loose and shoes wouldn't have been a high priority for Amanda by then, and also may have made her look creepy to the remaining survivors for grave-robbing someone of their shoes. In the case of the needle pit, Amanda didn't know she was going to be tossed in there.

to:

* BarefootCaptives[=/=]DoesNotLikeShoes: BarefootCaptives: Despite the presence of ''multiple'' dead people who she could have taken a pair of shoes from, Amanda is barefoot throughout almost the whole film, including the [[AgonyOfTheFeet needle pit]] scene. Subverted by the fact that the first three victims are adult males, and would have had a much bigger shoe size than Amanda could have realistically worn without them falling off her feet when she walked. walked, especially the first victim. [[spoiler: Also, one of the victims second victim (Obi) was burned, so his shoes would have melted anyway. The third male victim she only comes across after he's been murdered by Xavier, and instead of wasting time trying on his shoes, she instead realizes the homicidal threat Xavier now poses and runs to Daniel's aid. Laura is the first person to die who could have possibly worn shoes in a size similar to Amanda, but by that point, all Hell was breaking loose and shoes wouldn't have been a high priority for Amanda by then, and also may have made her look creepy to the remaining survivors for grave-robbing someone of their shoes. shoes, especially Addison. Plus, she'd just "discovered" that Daniel was the son of the man who framed her and got her sent to prison (Eric Matthews) and she was "distracted" by that reveal. In the case of the needle pit, Amanda didn't know she was going to be tossed in there. there, and while shoes would have helped her feet, it wouldn't have saved her from the pain of all the other places on her body the needles stabbed her in as she searched for the key.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* MetaphoricallyTrue: Like Lawrence in the first film, Amanda states that Jigsaw is not a killer for the same reasons, though this is pretty much a {{Foreshadowing}} to [[spoiler:her being his apprentice]], which is revealed at the end of the film.

to:

* MetaphoricallyTrue: Like Lawrence in the first film, Amanda states that Jigsaw is not a killer for the same reasons, because he never killed anyone directly, though this is pretty much a {{Foreshadowing}} to [[spoiler:her being his apprentice]], which is revealed at the end of the film.

Top