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-->'''The Barkeeper''': You know who she is, and you understand who you are, and now maybe you're ready to understand who I am.[[spoiler: You see, I love her too.]]

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-->'''The Barkeeper''': You know who she is, and you understand who you are, and now maybe you're ready to understand who I am.[[spoiler: You [[spoiler:You see, I love her too.]]

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* TheSixties: The majority of Jane's flashbacks occur in this decade, showing her interactions with Anderson and Space Corp, getting pregnant and having to transition to being John.

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* TheSixties: The majority of Jane's flashbacks occur in this decade, showing her interactions with Anderson Robertson and Space Corp, getting pregnant and having [[spoiler:having to transition to being John.John]].



* CelibateHero:
** Jane promised herself to stay away from sex:

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* CelibateHero:
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CelibateHero: Jane promised herself to stay away from sex:sex, but it's {{subverted}} when she meets ''him''.



** {{Subverted}} when she meets ''him''.



* NoNameGiven: The Barkeeper is never addressed by name.

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* NoNameGiven: The Barkeeper is never addressed by name. [[spoiler:This is to hide that he's actually John/Jane from the future.]]



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* TheForties: Jane was abandoned in an orphanage in 1945, with there being some flashbacks to this decade.
* TheFifties: There are brief flashbacks to this decade when Jane was growing up in the orphanage.
* TheSixties: The majority of Jane's flashbacks occur in this decade, showing her interactions with Anderson and Space Corp, getting pregnant and having to transition to being John.
* TheSeventies: The film starts with the Barkeep trying to disarm a bomb in 1975, Jane meets the Barkeeper in 1970 and it's explained that the at some point in 1975 the Fizzle Bomber will kill thousands of people, with the exact date changing due to time travel.
* TheEighties: The Barkeep takes John to 1985 after John [[spoiler:learns that the Barkeep is his future self and that he's his own father and mother]].
* TheNineties: After failing to disarm the bomb in 1975 safely, the Barkeep travels to 1992 to recover from his injuries.


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* OurTimeTravelIsDifferent: As the Barkeeper explains, time travel is only possible 53 years in either direction of the creation of time travel in 1981 (so either 1928 or 2024). The Field Kit basically transports them to a safe location in whatever era they travel to, with it being shown that this does affect the environment around them to a degree (for example, time travelling in a car causes the windows to shatter). However TemporalSickness is a real danger, with Robertson explaining how bits of matter are left behind with each time jump that are difficult to fix and can result in mental issues.
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* AdmiringTheAbomination: Mr. Robertson speaks kindly of the Fizzle Bomber and how he helped their organization become better at saving lives. Lampshaded by the Barkeeper: "You sound as if you admire him".

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* AdmiringTheAbomination: Mr. Robertson speaks kindly of the Fizzle Bomber and how he helped their organization become better at saving lives. Lampshaded by the Barkeeper: "You sound as if you admire him". [[spoiler: Then again, since it seems that the Fizzle Bomber itself is just another result of his manipulation, it's perfectly possible that he was actually admiring the fruits of his work.]]



* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler:The Fizzle Bomber is eventually taken out of business but the organization subjected Jane to a lifetime of physical and psychological suffering and isolation to accomplish this goal.]]

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* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler:The Fizzle Bomber is eventually taken out of business but the organization subjected Jane to a lifetime of physical and psychological suffering and isolation to accomplish this goal. And it might even be a straight-up DownerEnding if, as the Fizzle Bomber says, the Bartender killing him is only the beginning of his transformation into him, forcing to repeat the story all over again.]]
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* TragicTimeTraveler: The Temporal Agent, 'nuff said. To make a very long story short, he suffers from brain damage as a result of their time travel, [[spoiler:fails to stop the Fizzle Bomber, who turns out to be an alternate version of himself, and just trying to disarm one of his bombs leaves him so badly scarred that even with reconstructive surgery, his parents don't recognize him]].
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Rogue Launched


* {{Hermaphrodite}}: [[spoiler:Jane is revealed to be an intersex woman. She had internal male genitalia discovered during a cesarean section, and complications [[ForcedGenderReassignmentHorror forced the doctors to supersede her external female genitalia with them]].]]

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* {{Hermaphrodite}}: [[spoiler:Jane is revealed to be an intersex woman. She had internal male genitalia discovered during a cesarean section, and complications [[ForcedGenderReassignmentHorror forced the doctors to supersede her external female genitalia with them]].them.]]
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* {{Hermaphrodite}}: [[spoiler:Jane is revealed to be one. She had internal male genitalia discovered during a cesarean section, and complications forced the doctors to supersede her external female genitalia with them.]]

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* {{Hermaphrodite}}: [[spoiler:Jane is revealed to be one. an intersex woman. She had internal male genitalia discovered during a cesarean section, and complications [[ForcedGenderReassignmentHorror forced the doctors to supersede her external female genitalia with them.them]].]]
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Ymmv trope. It is now called Diagnosed By The Audience.


* AmbiguousDisorder: Jane's strange behavior in her early life remains a secret until it gets revealed [[spoiler:that she is a {{Hermaphrodite}}]].
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* ConvenientlyAnOrphan: {{Invoked}} by Robertson and the organization who arranged for Jane to be caught in an [[spoiler:[[ParentalIncest incestuous]] time loop where she was her own parents and offspring]], all to become a well-functioning Temporal Agent with no ties to the past or the future.

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* ConvenientlyAnOrphan: {{Invoked}} {{Invoked|Trope}} by Robertson and the organization who arranged for Jane to be caught in an [[spoiler:[[ParentalIncest incestuous]] time loop where she was her own parents and offspring]], all to become a well-functioning Temporal Agent with no ties to the past or the future.
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* LoveMakesYouDumb: [[DiscussedTrope Discussed.]]
-->'''John''': I was young and in love.
-->'''Barkeep''': FamousLastWords.
-->'''John''': What, haven't you ever done anything stupid for love?
-->'''Barkeep''': Once.

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* LoveMakesYouDumb: [[DiscussedTrope Discussed.]]
Lampshaded.
-->'''John''': I was young and in love.
-->'''Barkeep''': FamousLastWords.
-->'''John''':
love.\\
'''Barkeep''': Famous last words.\\
'''John''':
What, haven't you ever done anything stupid for love?
-->'''Barkeep''':
love?\\
'''Barkeep''':
Once.
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'''Because the movie consists entirely of [[TheReveal twists and turns]], many of the trope names themselves are spoilers, and not all of the spoilers have been whited out. Proceed with caution.'''

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'''Because the movie consists entirely of [[TheReveal [[PlotTwist twists and turns]], many of the trope names themselves are spoilers, and not all of the spoilers have been whited out. Proceed with caution.'''
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'''Because the movie consists entirely of [[TheReveal twists and turns]], many of the trope names themselves are spoilers. Proceed with caution.'''

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'''Because the movie consists entirely of [[TheReveal twists and turns]], many of the trope names themselves are spoilers.spoilers, and not all of the spoilers have been whited out. Proceed with caution.'''

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* BittersweetEnding: The Fizzle Bomber is eventually taken out of business but the organization subjected Jane to a lifetime of physical and psychological suffering and isolation to accomplish this goal.

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* BittersweetEnding: The [[spoiler:The Fizzle Bomber is eventually taken out of business but the organization subjected Jane to a lifetime of physical and psychological suffering and isolation to accomplish this goal.]]




* CrossCastRole: Creator/SarahSnook is a non-intersex woman playing an intersex character who was raised as a girl but transitions to a man as an adult.

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\n* CrossCastRole: Creator/SarahSnook [[spoiler:Creator/SarahSnook is a non-intersex woman playing an intersex character who was raised as a girl but transitions to a man as an adult.
adult.]]



* DeadHatShot: A non-lethal version. After the BombDisposal goes awry, there is a close-up on John's burning hat on the floor while John himself rolls around in pain.
* DoorstopBaby: [[spoiler:Jane]]. After [[spoiler:the Barkeeper]] snatches her as a newborn from the nursery, he travels back in time, delivers her to the doorsteps of the City of Cleveland Orphanage and subsequently calls in to make sure the box is noticed.

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* DeadHatShot: A non-lethal version. After the BombDisposal goes awry, there is a close-up on John's [[spoiler:John]]'s burning hat on the floor while John himself [[spoiler:John himself]] rolls around in pain.
* DoorstopBaby: [[spoiler:Jane]]. After [[spoiler:the Barkeeper]] Jane. [[spoiler:After the Barkeeper snatches her as a newborn from the nursery, he travels back in time, delivers her to the doorsteps of the City of Cleveland Orphanage and subsequently calls in to make sure the box is noticed.]]



** The bartender's attempted joke about "What comes first, the chicken or the egg?". It foreshadows the relationship between [[spoiler:himself, John, and Jane]].
** In the early bar scenes when the Barkeeper is talking to John, each time the camera looks at him, the angle changes slightly. Sometimes the "Gentlemen" restroom sign is over his head and sometimes it's "Ladies", foreshadowing the final plot twist.

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** The bartender's Bartender's attempted joke about "What comes first, the chicken or the egg?". It foreshadows the relationship between [[spoiler:himself, John, and Jane]].
** In the early bar scenes when the Barkeeper is talking to John, each time the camera looks at him, the angle changes slightly. Sometimes the [[spoiler:the "Gentlemen" restroom sign is over his head and sometimes it's "Ladies", "Ladies"]], foreshadowing the final plot twist.



** When the Barkeeper and John decide to work with one another, one of the bar's patrons plays "I'm My Own Grandpa" on the jukebox.

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** When the Barkeeper and John decide to work with one another, one of the bar's patrons plays "I'm "[[spoiler:I'm My Own Grandpa" Grandpa]]" on the jukebox.



* IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: The Fizzle Bomber explains that if the Bartender shoots him, he will eventually become the Fizzle Bomber. If he wants to break the chain, he has to not kill him. [[spoiler:Too bad, this situation is [[YouCantFightFate predestined]]]].

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* IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: The Fizzle Bomber explains that if the Bartender shoots him, he [[spoiler:he will eventually become the Fizzle Bomber.Bomber]]. If he wants to break the chain, he has to not kill him. [[spoiler:Too bad, this situation is [[YouCantFightFate predestined]]]].



-->'''John''': "I was young and in love."
-->'''Barkeep''': "Famous last words."
-->'''John''': "What, haven't you ever done anything stupid for love?"
-->'''Barkeep''': "Once."

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-->'''John''': "I I was young and in love."
love.
-->'''Barkeep''': "Famous last words."
FamousLastWords.
-->'''John''': "What, What, haven't you ever done anything stupid for love?"
love?
-->'''Barkeep''': "Once." Once.
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* CrossCastRole: Creator/SarahSnook is a non-intersex woman playing an intersex character who was raised as a girl but transitions to a man as an adult.
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''Predestination'' is a 2014 Australian science fiction mystery film written and directed by Creator/TheSpierigBrothers. The film [[FilmOfTheBook is based upon]] the 1959 short story "Literature/AllYouZombies" by sci-fi writer Creator/RobertAHeinlein, and stars Creator/EthanHawke, Sarah Snook, and Creator/NoahTaylor.

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''Predestination'' is a 2014 Australian science fiction mystery film written and directed by Creator/TheSpierigBrothers. The film [[FilmOfTheBook is based upon]] the 1959 short story "Literature/AllYouZombies" by sci-fi writer Creator/RobertAHeinlein, and stars Creator/EthanHawke, Sarah Snook, Creator/SarahSnook, and Creator/NoahTaylor.
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* AdaptationTitleChange: The film is based on the short story "Literature/AllYouZombies".
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* AlternateHistory: The movie doesn't update Heinlein's setting to the early [=21st=] Century, likely so they can maintain the DeliberateValuesDissonance needed for Jane's story. As a result we have a manned space program involving year-long missions by the Sixties, and time travel being invented in the Nineties.

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* AlternateHistory: The movie doesn't update Heinlein's setting to the early [=21st=] Century, likely so they can maintain the DeliberateValuesDissonance needed for Jane's story. As a result we have a [[IWantMyJetPack manned space program involving year-long missions by the Sixties, Sixties]], and time travel being invented in the Nineties.
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* FutureSelfReveal:
** [[spoiler:Jane recalls being seduced by a handsome young man who ultimately abandoned her, kicking off a chain of misfortunes that ended with Jane changing sex and renaming herself John. In the present, the Temporal Agent offers him a chance to go back in time and kill Jane's lover before he can ruin her life... but when John gets there, he finds himself bumping into Jane and unwittingly repeating the words that [[ScrewYourself sparked their relationship in the first place]].]]
** [[spoiler:Early in the film, the Temporal Agent is badly burned by one of the [[BigBad Fizzle Bomber]]'s explosives and is only saved when a mysterious stranger pushes his Field Kit into his hands, allowing him to send himself to the future for emergency surgery. It eventually turns out that the stranger was actually the agent's future self, left unrecognizable after reconstructive surgery.]]
** [[spoiler:Jane was originally abandoned on the doorstep of an orphanage, her parentage left unknown. However, prior to the sex change, Jane successfully gives birth to John's daughter and decides to name her Jane as well; a few days later, the Temporal Agent sneaks into the maternity ward and kidnaps baby Jane, [[MyOwnGrandpa depositing her on the doorstep of the orphanage]].]]
** [[spoiler:The Temporal Agent eventually shows up to recruit John for the Bureau, becoming the direct cause of John's "abandoning" Jane. John is furious enough to put a gun to the Agent's head... only for the Agent to effortlessly disarm him by admitting, "[[WhamLine You see, I love her too]]." Later shots confirm that the Agent still sports the marks from Jane's sex change and a caesarean scar across his stomach.]]
** [[spoiler:In the finale, the Temporal Agent finally manages to corner the Fizzle Bomber... only to find that the terrorist is none other than his future self, suffering from TemporalSickness-induced psychosis and convinced that he's saving history. He warns the Agent that killing him will mean that he'll go on to become the Fizzle Bomber just as he did, and the only way to stop it is [[WeCanRuleTogether for the two of them to be together]]. The Agent refuses and shoots him dead... only for the final seconds of the movie to show him in the midst of a devastating case of SanitySlippage.]]
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* EmergencyTemporalShift: Very early in the film, the Temporal Agent is sent to the 1970s to stop the Fizzle Bomber's reign of terror, only for the latest explosive to go off in his face before he can completely contain it. Near-fatally burned, he only survives because a good samaritan pushes his Field Kit back into his hands, allowing the Agent to transport himself back to Bureau headquarters in the 1990s and receive medical attention. [[spoiler: It's later revealed that the samaritan is none other than the Temporal Agent's future self, left practically unrecognizable thanks to all the reconstructive surgery.]]

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* EmergencyTemporalShift: Very early in the film, the Temporal Agent is sent to the 1970s to stop the Fizzle Bomber's reign of terror, only for the latest explosive to go off in his face before he can completely contain it. Near-fatally burned, he only survives because a good samaritan pushes his Field Kit back into his hands, allowing the Agent to transport himself back to Bureau headquarters in the 1990s and receive medical attention. [[spoiler: It's later revealed that the samaritan is none other than the Temporal Agent's [[HelpYourselfInTheFuture future self, self]], left practically unrecognizable thanks to all the reconstructive surgery.]]
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* EmergencyTemporalShift: Very early in the film, the Temporal Agent is sent to the 1970s to stop the Fizzle Bomber's reign of terror, only for the latest explosive to go off in his face before he can completely contain it. Near-fatally burned, he only survives because a good samaritan pushes his Field Kit back into his hands, allowing the Agent to transport himself back to Bureau headquarters in the 1990s and receive medical attention. [[spoiler: It's later revealed that the samaritan is none other than the Temporal Agent's future self, left practically unrecognizable thanks to all the reconstructive surgery.]]
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* AlternateHistory: The movie doesn't update Heinlein's setting to the early [=21st=] Century, likely so they can maintain the social ValuesDissonance needed for Jane's story. As a result we have a manned space program involving year-long missions by the Sixties, and time travel being invented in the Nineties.

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* AlternateHistory: The movie doesn't update Heinlein's setting to the early [=21st=] Century, likely so they can maintain the social ValuesDissonance DeliberateValuesDissonance needed for Jane's story. As a result we have a manned space program involving year-long missions by the Sixties, and time travel being invented in the Nineties.
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* CradleToGraveCharacter: The story begins [[InMediasRes when the main character is an adult]] and then follows that character through flashbacks and TimeTravel to their birth and to when they're killed by the Bartender.
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* UnproblematicProstitution: Space Corps recruits physically fit, intelligent women to provide sexual and emotional comfort for astronauts on long term missions, and the recruiters interest in Jane's aptitude for mathematics and physics implies they work as BridgeBunnies when not performing this function. Rather than prostitutes (who are often psychologically unsuitable for space work anyway) the recruiters prefer virgins because they can be trained from scratch. Jane mentions that the recruits are guaranteed to end up with a husband as such women are the [[CommonalityConnection only kind astronauts can relate to]] by the end of their own careers.

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* UnproblematicProstitution: Space Corps recruits physically fit, intelligent women to provide sexual and emotional comfort for astronauts on long term missions, and the recruiters interest in Jane's aptitude for mathematics and physics implies they work as BridgeBunnies when not performing this function. Rather than prostitutes (who are often psychologically unsuitable for space work anyway) the recruiters prefer virgins because they can be [[SchoolOfSeduction trained from scratch. scratch]]. Jane mentions that the recruits are [[MRSDegree guaranteed to end up with a husband husband]] as such women are the [[CommonalityConnection only kind astronauts can relate to]] by the end of their own careers.
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* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong: The Temporal Bureau's stated goal is to prevent crimes before they happen due to their knowledge of the future, and John is stated to have saved thousands of lives, but the only case we actually see them working on is [[MyGreatestFailure their greatest failure]]: the Fizzle Bomber's 1975 attack in New York City. [[spoiler:Ironically the Fizzle bomber himself is doing this--his attacks forestall far greater casualties in alternate futures.]]

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* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong: The Temporal Bureau's stated goal is to prevent crimes before they happen due to their knowledge of the future, and John is stated to have saved thousands of lives, but the only case we actually see them working on is [[MyGreatestFailure their greatest failure]]: the Fizzle Bomber's 1975 attack in New York City. [[spoiler:Ironically the Fizzle bomber himself is doing this--his this, claiming that his attacks forestall far greater casualties in alternate futures.]]
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* TemporalSickness: People unused to time jumping feel ill, and John has to be hospitalized when the Bartender takes him on a particularly long jump to the future. Temporal agents are warned that making too many jumps can lead to psychosis. [[spoiler:When the Bartender finally catches the Fizzle Bomber, he's revealed to be an insane future version of himself who claims to be working to avoid greater disasters, but the audience is left to wonder if that's true or just his delusion.]]

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