Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Fanon / KingdomHearts

Go To

OR

Changed: 403

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Master Xehanort's Keyblade, also known as Luxu's Keyblade and the Master of Master's Keyblade, is frequently called "No Name" by fans, despite the fact that it has never actually been called that in-game. The idea stems from the scene where the Master of Masters explains to Luxu that [[spoiler: he put his own eye, called the Gazing Eye, into the Keyblade]]. Luxu thinks the Keyblade itself is called "Gazing Eye," but the Master corrects him that it has no name, leading to Luxu calling it "No Name"[[note]]Even moreso proven in Japanese, in which the Master says it has no name in Japanese and Luxu says "No Name" in English[[/note]]. In fact, the only instance of the Keyblade being explicitly referred to by any name is in a report written by Luxu, in which he still calls it "the Gazing Eye." There actually ''is'' a keychain in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]]'' that is explicitly called "No Name," but it's not this one.
* One notable one is the explanation for Kairi's Keyblade. In game, Riku just gives her a Keyblade out of nowhere during a sequence in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', which she uses during the sequence and seems to lose it by her next appearance. Sora gets a second Keyblade in many of his Drive forms. By connecting these two details together, the assumption that gets made is that "copy Keyblades" can be made and either used in the off-hand or given to someone else, with it vanishing when it's no longer necessary.
** This was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]]'', as [[spoiler:Kairi's Keyblade (named Destiny's Embrace) was the result of an unintentional rite of succession between Aqua and a young Kairi, whereas Sora and Roxas derive their second Keyblades from Ventus' heart within Sora (contrary to popular belief, Roxas absorbing Xion in ''Days'' was not the reason behind Roxas or Sora's dual-wielding)]]. ''Birth by Sleep'' also shows that Keyblades ''can'' be passed from one wielder to another: [[spoiler:Aqua loses her Keyblade, but since she had picked up Master Eraqus's Keyblade prior to this, she is able to summon and use his in its place.]] The question of ''how'' Riku obtained that Keyblade for Kairi, however, is rife for theories, including a popular notion that [[spoiler:Riku went to the Realm of Darkness and obtained it from Aqua herself off-screen during either ''Days'' or ''II'']], or, in light of ''3D'', the possibility that [[spoiler:Naminé, being Kairi's Nobody and having a heart of her own, eventually summoned the Keyblade herself and passed it on to Riku, who then gave it to Kairi]]. Both are somewhat convoluted, and the former assumption itself was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts02BirthBySleepAFragmentaryPassage 0.2]]'': [[spoiler:Aqua managed to meet up with Mickey in the Realm of Darkness near the end of [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI the original game]] and accompanied him to the other side of the door to Kingdom Hearts that Riku and Mickey sealed from the inside, but is dragged back down into the dark realm when she and the king [[TakingTheBullet throw themselves in the way of]] a swarm of Shadows that was targeting Riku in order to protect him. Riku didn't learn about this until after the events of ''Dream Drop Distance'' and is more than a bit upset that they were unable to save Aqua back then given that he clearly remembers their meeting and Aqua's words for him from ''BBS''.]] It remains to be seen if future entries will shed any more light on this.
* As for their backgrounds before they were Nobodies, it's very common to write Demyx as either a merman from Atlantica or a rockstar. That Xemnas reveals Demyx to have had past history as [[spoiler:a Keyblade wielder]] in ''III'' most likely puts a damper on at least the former half of this idea.

to:

* Master Xehanort's Keyblade, also known as Luxu's Keyblade and the Master of Master's Keyblade, is frequently called "No Name" by fans, despite the fact that it has never actually been called that in-game. The idea stems from the scene where the Master of Masters explains to Luxu that [[spoiler: he put his own eye, called the Gazing Eye, into the Keyblade]]. Luxu thinks the Keyblade itself is called "Gazing Eye," but the Master corrects him that it has no name, leading to Luxu calling it "No Name"[[note]]Even moreso more so proven in Japanese, in which the Master says it has no name in Japanese and Luxu says "No Name" in English[[/note]]. In fact, the only instance of the Keyblade being explicitly referred to by any name is in a report written by Luxu, in which he still calls it "the Gazing Eye." There actually ''is'' a keychain in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]]'' that is explicitly called "No Name," but it's not this one.
* One notable one headcanon is the explanation for Kairi's Keyblade. In game, In-game, Riku just gives her a Keyblade out of nowhere during a sequence late in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', which she uses during the said sequence and the seems to lose it by her next appearance. Sora gets a second Keyblade in many of his Drive forms. By connecting these two details together, the assumption that gets made is that "copy Keyblades" can be made and either used in the off-hand or given to someone else, with it vanishing when it's no longer necessary.
** This was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]]'', as [[spoiler:Kairi's Keyblade (named Destiny's Embrace) was the result of an unintentional rite of succession between Aqua and a young Kairi, whereas Sora and Roxas derive their second Keyblades from Ventus' heart within Sora (contrary to popular belief, Roxas absorbing Xion in ''Days'' ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 Days]]'' was not the reason behind Roxas or Sora's dual-wielding)]]. ''Birth by Sleep'' also shows that Keyblades ''can'' be passed from one wielder to another: [[spoiler:Aqua loses her Keyblade, but since she had picked up Master Eraqus's Keyblade prior to this, she is able to summon and use his in its place.]] The question of ''how'' Riku obtained that Keyblade for Kairi, however, is rife for theories, including a popular notion that [[spoiler:Riku went to the Realm of Darkness and obtained it from Aqua herself off-screen during either ''Days'' or ''II'']], or, in light of ''3D'', ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance 3D]]'', the possibility that [[spoiler:Naminé, being Kairi's Nobody and having a heart of her own, eventually summoned the Keyblade herself and passed it on to Riku, who then gave it to Kairi]]. Both are somewhat convoluted, and the former assumption itself was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts02BirthBySleepAFragmentaryPassage 0.2]]'': [[spoiler:Aqua managed to meet up with Mickey in the Realm of Darkness near the end of [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI the original game]] and accompanied him to the other side of the door to Kingdom Hearts that Riku and Mickey sealed from the inside, but is dragged back down into the dark realm when she and the king [[TakingTheBullet throw themselves in the way of]] a swarm of Shadows that was targeting Riku in order to protect him. Riku didn't learn about this until after the events of ''Dream Drop Distance'' and is more than a bit upset that they were unable to save Aqua back then given that he clearly remembers their meeting and Aqua's words for him from ''BBS''.]] It remains to be seen if future entries will shed any more light on this.
* As for their backgrounds before they were Nobodies, it's very common to write Demyx as either a merman from Atlantica or a rockstar. That Xemnas reveals Demyx to have had past history as [[spoiler:a Keyblade wielder]] in ''III'' ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII III]]'' most likely puts a damper on at least the former half of this idea.



* While ''Kingdom Hearts II'' firmly stated that Nobodies do not have hearts, and therefore do not have feelings, [[TinMan this wasn't exactly shown through their actions]], leading many fans to believe that somehow they did have feelings and therefore Sora is a monster to oppose them. While ''3D'' revealed that they were right about the first thing (Nobodies, and for that matter anything capable of thinking of itself as a person, can ''earn'' a heart through living life and connecting to others), Sora's actions against the Organization were largely in self-defense against an unambiguously threatening enemy -- and even then, he was horrified to learn that Xemnas and Xigbar were deliberately keeping this information secret from them, since they might well ''not'' have opposed him if they had known they didn't need to.
* There's a general idea within the fandom that Nobodies have no heartbeat and don't need to eat or sleep. This is despite the fact that Roxas is seen waking up at the start of several of his last days of summer vacation in ''II'' and the Organization members are shown to have their own bedrooms in ''Days''. Xigbar even makes a quip to Zexion about resting up for a big mission in a ''II Final Mix''-exclusive cutscene. Jury's out on if characters who lack a heart also have their actual blood-pumping organ affected, but as [[HumanoidAbomination they're otherwise human]], it's not impossible.

to:

* While ''Kingdom Hearts II'' firmly stated that Nobodies do not have hearts, and therefore do not have feelings, [[TinMan this wasn't exactly shown through their actions]], leading many fans to believe that somehow they did have feelings and therefore Sora is a monster to oppose them. While ''3D'' ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance 3D]]'' revealed that they were right about the first thing (Nobodies, and for that matter anything capable of thinking of itself as a person, can ''earn'' a heart through living life and connecting to others), Sora's actions against the Organization were largely in self-defense against an unambiguously threatening enemy -- and even then, he was horrified to learn that Xemnas and Xigbar were deliberately keeping this information secret from them, since they might well ''not'' have opposed him if they had known they didn't need to.
* There's a general idea within the fandom that Nobodies have no heartbeat and don't need to eat or sleep. This is despite the fact that Roxas is seen waking up at the start of several of his last days of summer vacation in ''II'' and the Organization members are shown to have their own bedrooms in ''Days''.''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 Days]]''. Xigbar even makes a quip to Zexion about resting up for a big mission in a ''II Final Mix''-exclusive cutscene. Jury's out on if characters who lack a heart also have their actual blood-pumping organ affected, but as [[HumanoidAbomination they're otherwise human]], it's not impossible.



* ''Kingdom Hearts II'' heavily implied that Tifa is the embodiment of Cloud's light and thus isn't an actual person. It's ambiguous enough however for fans to interpret her as a normal character. Almost all fan works portray her as being Cloud and Aerith's friend like in the source games.
* The [[https://blowingoffsteam2.tumblr.com/post/633789962281762816/the-necklace-theory-masterpost necklace theory]] is a popular fan theory revolving around the meteor shower promise from ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainofMemories Chain of Memories]]''. It postulates that, instead of Sora/"Riku" promising to protect Naminé and being given her star charm in return on the night of the meteor shower, Riku swore to protect Sora and gave him his iconic crown necklace. And now we have solid evidence that Sora's necklace might really ''have'' been a gift from Riku after all. In the [[https://href.li/?https://www.khinsider.com/news/A-Look-Back-KINGDOM-HEARTS-Ultimania-Gallery-Comments-Part-1-15519 KH1 Ultimania]], it says that during development, Sora was originally meant to be given the keychain for Oblivion by Riku, in the same vein of Kairi giving you her wayfinder for Oathkeeper. It goes on to state that that's why Oblivion's keychain is a black version of Sora's necklace- the implication here being that, somehow, Riku is connected to the piece of jewelry.

to:

* ''Kingdom Hearts II'' heavily implied that Tifa is the embodiment of Cloud's light (in contrast with the ''KH'' Sephiroth being implied as Cloud's EnemyWithout) and thus isn't an actual person. It's ambiguous enough however enough, however, for fans to interpret her as a normal character. Almost all fan works portray her as being Cloud and Aerith's friend like in [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII the source games.
games]].
* The [[https://blowingoffsteam2.tumblr.com/post/633789962281762816/the-necklace-theory-masterpost necklace theory]] is a popular fan theory revolving around the meteor shower promise from ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainofMemories Chain of Memories]]''. It postulates that, instead of Sora/"Riku" promising to protect Naminé and being given her star charm in return on the night of the meteor shower, Riku swore to protect Sora and gave him his iconic crown necklace. And now we have There's solid evidence that Sora's necklace might really ''have'' been a gift from Riku after all. In all, as the [[https://href.li/?https://www.khinsider.com/news/A-Look-Back-KINGDOM-HEARTS-Ultimania-Gallery-Comments-Part-1-15519 KH1 Ultimania]], it says that KHI Ultimania]] notes that, during development, Sora was originally meant to be given the keychain for Oblivion by Riku, in the same vein of as Kairi giving you him her wayfinder Wayfinder for Oathkeeper. It goes on to state that that's this is why Oblivion's keychain is a black version of Sora's necklace- necklace -- the implication here being that, somehow, Riku is connected to the piece of jewelry.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ''Kingdom Hearts II'' heavily implied that Tifa is the embodiment of Cloud's light and thus isn't an actual person. It's ambiguous enough however for fans to interpret her as a normal character. Almost all fan works portray her as being Cloud and Aerith's friend like in the source games.

to:

* ''Kingdom Hearts II'' heavily implied that Tifa is the embodiment of Cloud's light and thus isn't an actual person. It's ambiguous enough however for fans to interpret her as a normal character. Almost all fan works portray her as being Cloud and Aerith's friend like in the source games.games.
* The [[https://blowingoffsteam2.tumblr.com/post/633789962281762816/the-necklace-theory-masterpost necklace theory]] is a popular fan theory revolving around the meteor shower promise from ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainofMemories Chain of Memories]]''. It postulates that, instead of Sora/”Riku” promising to protect Naminé and being given her star charm in return on the night of the meteor shower, Riku swore to protect Sora and gave him his iconic crown necklace. And now we have solid evidence that Sora’s necklace might really ''have'' been a gift from Riku after all. In the [[https://href.li/?https://www.khinsider.com/news/A-Look-Back-KINGDOM-HEARTS-Ultimania-Gallery-Comments-Part-1-15519 KH1 Ultimania]], it says that during development, Sora was originally meant to be given the keychain for Oblivion by Riku, in the same vein of Kairi giving you her wayfinder for Oathkeeper. It goes on to state that that's why Oblivion's keychain is a black version of Sora's necklace- the implication here being that, somehow, Riku is connected to the piece of jewelry.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
KH III has come and gone, without an explanation for Kairi's keyblade. Rewording the section to allow for any future explanations.


** This was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]]'', as [[spoiler:Kairi's Keyblade (named Destiny's Embrace) was the result of an unintentional rite of succession between Aqua and a young Kairi, whereas Sora and Roxas derive their second Keyblades from Ventus' heart within Sora (contrary to popular belief, Roxas absorbing Xion in ''Days'' was not the reason behind Roxas or Sora's dual-wielding)]]. ''Birth by Sleep'' also shows that Keyblades ''can'' be passed from one wielder to another: [[spoiler:Aqua loses her Keyblade, but since she had picked up Master Eraqus's Keyblade prior to this, she is able to summon and use his in its place.]] The question of ''how'' Riku obtained that Keyblade for Kairi, however, is rife for theories, including a popular notion that [[spoiler:Riku went to the Realm of Darkness and obtained it from Aqua herself off-screen during either ''Days'' or ''II'']], or, in light of ''3D'', the possibility that [[spoiler:Naminé, being Kairi's Nobody and having a heart of her own, eventually summoned the Keyblade herself and passed it on to Riku, who then gave it to Kairi]]. Both are somewhat convoluted, and the former assumption itself was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts02BirthBySleepAFragmentaryPassage 0.2]]'': [[spoiler:Aqua managed to meet up with Mickey in the Realm of Darkness near the end of [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI the original game]] and accompanied him to the other side of the door to Kingdom Hearts that Riku and Mickey sealed from the inside, but is dragged back down into the dark realm when she and the king [[TakingTheBullet throw themselves in the way of]] a swarm of Shadows that was targeting Riku in order to protect him. Riku didn't learn about this until after the events of ''Dream Drop Distance'' and is more than a bit upset that they were unable to save Aqua back then given that he clearly remembers their meeting and Aqua's words for him from ''BBS''.]] It remains to be seen if ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII'' will shed any more light on this.

to:

** This was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]]'', as [[spoiler:Kairi's Keyblade (named Destiny's Embrace) was the result of an unintentional rite of succession between Aqua and a young Kairi, whereas Sora and Roxas derive their second Keyblades from Ventus' heart within Sora (contrary to popular belief, Roxas absorbing Xion in ''Days'' was not the reason behind Roxas or Sora's dual-wielding)]]. ''Birth by Sleep'' also shows that Keyblades ''can'' be passed from one wielder to another: [[spoiler:Aqua loses her Keyblade, but since she had picked up Master Eraqus's Keyblade prior to this, she is able to summon and use his in its place.]] The question of ''how'' Riku obtained that Keyblade for Kairi, however, is rife for theories, including a popular notion that [[spoiler:Riku went to the Realm of Darkness and obtained it from Aqua herself off-screen during either ''Days'' or ''II'']], or, in light of ''3D'', the possibility that [[spoiler:Naminé, being Kairi's Nobody and having a heart of her own, eventually summoned the Keyblade herself and passed it on to Riku, who then gave it to Kairi]]. Both are somewhat convoluted, and the former assumption itself was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts02BirthBySleepAFragmentaryPassage 0.2]]'': [[spoiler:Aqua managed to meet up with Mickey in the Realm of Darkness near the end of [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI the original game]] and accompanied him to the other side of the door to Kingdom Hearts that Riku and Mickey sealed from the inside, but is dragged back down into the dark realm when she and the king [[TakingTheBullet throw themselves in the way of]] a swarm of Shadows that was targeting Riku in order to protect him. Riku didn't learn about this until after the events of ''Dream Drop Distance'' and is more than a bit upset that they were unable to save Aqua back then given that he clearly remembers their meeting and Aqua's words for him from ''BBS''.]] It remains to be seen if ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII'' future entries will shed any more light on this.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Master Xehanort's Keyblade, also known as Luxu's Keyblade and the Master of Master's Keyblade, is frequently called "No Name" by fans, despite the fact that it has never actually been called that in-game. The idea stems from the scene where the Master of Masters explains to Luxu that [[spoiler: he put his own eye, called the Gazing Eye, into the keyblade]], and Luxu mistakenly takes this to mean that the Keyblade itself is called "Gazing Eye." The Master corrects him, saying that the weapon has no name. In fact, the only instance of the keyblade being explicitly referred to by any name is in a report written by Luxu, in which he still calls it "the Gazing Eye." There actually ''is'' a keychain in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]]'' that is explicitly called "No Name," but it's not this one.

to:

* Master Xehanort's Keyblade, also known as Luxu's Keyblade and the Master of Master's Keyblade, is frequently called "No Name" by fans, despite the fact that it has never actually been called that in-game. The idea stems from the scene where the Master of Masters explains to Luxu that [[spoiler: he put his own eye, called the Gazing Eye, into the keyblade]], and Keyblade]]. Luxu mistakenly takes this to mean that thinks the Keyblade itself is called "Gazing Eye." The Eye," but the Master corrects him, saying him that the weapon it has no name. name, leading to Luxu calling it "No Name"[[note]]Even moreso proven in Japanese, in which the Master says it has no name in Japanese and Luxu says "No Name" in English[[/note]]. In fact, the only instance of the keyblade Keyblade being explicitly referred to by any name is in a report written by Luxu, in which he still calls it "the Gazing Eye." There actually ''is'' a keychain in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]]'' that is explicitly called "No Name," but it's not this one.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Possibly given a subtle joss in [[Film/PiratesOfTheCarribeanAtWorldsEnd The Carribean]] level in ''III'': [[spoiler:Davy Jones' heart, just like in the source material, is a literal flesh-and-blood heart as opposed to the metaphysical heart, invoking WrongContextMagic when the Organization mistakes the former for the latter, meaning that both technically exist in the ''Kingdom Hearts'' universe. Assuming that their EmptyShell status isn't an added factor, Nobodies very likely do have a physical heartbeat and a need to eat or sleep.]]

to:

** Possibly given a subtle joss in [[Film/PiratesOfTheCarribeanAtWorldsEnd [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanAtWorldsEnd The Carribean]] Caribbean]] level in ''III'': [[spoiler:Davy Jones' heart, just like in the source material, is a literal flesh-and-blood heart as opposed to the metaphysical heart, invoking WrongContextMagic when the Organization mistakes the former for the latter, meaning that both technically exist in the ''Kingdom Hearts'' universe. Assuming that their EmptyShell status isn't an added factor, Nobodies very likely do have a physical heartbeat and a need to eat or sleep.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Possibly given a subtle joss in [[Film/PiratesOfTheCarribeanAtWorldsEnd The Carribean]] level in ''III'': [[spoiler:Davy Jones' heart, just like in the source material, is a literal flesh-and-blood heart as opposed to the metaphysical heart, invoking WrongContextMagic when the Organization mistakes the former for the latter, meaning that both technically exist in the ''Kingdom Hearts'' universe. Assuming that their EmptyShell status isn't an added factor, Nobodies very likely do have a physical heartbeat and a need to eat or sleep.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Naminé, like her "other self" Kairi, never had all that much CharacterDevelopment}} in the games she appeared in. A lot of fangirls, on the other hand, latch onto her for Fanon, often making her the YaoiFangirl to the other Nobodies, or to Sora and Riku.

to:

* Naminé, like her "other self" Kairi, never had all that much CharacterDevelopment}} CharacterDevelopment in the games she appeared in. A lot of fangirls, on the other hand, latch onto her for Fanon, often making her the YaoiFangirl to the other Nobodies, or to Sora and Riku.

Changed: 190

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Master Xehanort's Keyblade, also known as Luxu's Keyblade and the Master of Master's Keyblade, is frequently called "No Name" by fans, despite the fact that it has never actually been called that in-game. The idea stems from the scene where the Master of Masters explains to Luxu that [[spoiler: he put his own eye, called the Gazing Eye, into the keyblade]], and Luxu mistakenly takes this to mean that the keyblade itself is called "Gazing Eye." The Master corrects him, saying that the weapon has no name. In fact, the only instance of the keyblade being explicitly referred to by any name is in a report written by Luxu, in which he still calls it "the Gazing Eye." There actually ''is'' a keychain in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth By Sleep]]'' that is explicitly called "No name," but it's not this one.

to:

* Master Xehanort's Keyblade, also known as Luxu's Keyblade and the Master of Master's Keyblade, is frequently called "No Name" by fans, despite the fact that it has never actually been called that in-game. The idea stems from the scene where the Master of Masters explains to Luxu that [[spoiler: he put his own eye, called the Gazing Eye, into the keyblade]], and Luxu mistakenly takes this to mean that the keyblade Keyblade itself is called "Gazing Eye." The Master corrects him, saying that the weapon has no name. In fact, the only instance of the keyblade being explicitly referred to by any name is in a report written by Luxu, in which he still calls it "the Gazing Eye." There actually ''is'' a keychain in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth By by Sleep]]'' that is explicitly called "No name," Name," but it's not this one.



* This was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]]'', as [[spoiler:Kairi's Keyblade (named Destiny's Embrace) was the result of an unintentional rite of succession between Aqua and a young Kairi, whereas Sora and Roxas derive their second Keyblades from Ventus' heart within Sora (contrary to popular belief, Roxas absorbing Xion in ''Days'' was not the reason behind Roxas or Sora's dual-wielding)]]. ''Birth by Sleep'' also shows that Keyblades ''can'' be passed from one wielder to another: [[spoiler:Aqua loses her Keyblade, but since she had picked up Master Eraqus's Keyblade prior to this, she is able to summon and use his in its place.]] The question of ''how'' Riku obtained that Keyblade for Kairi, however, is rife for theories, including a popular notion that [[spoiler:Riku went to the Realm of Darkness and obtained it from Aqua herself off-screen during either ''Days'' or ''II'']], or, in light of ''3D'', the possibility that [[spoiler:Naminé, being Kairi's Nobody and having a heart of her own, eventually summoned the Keyblade herself and passed it on to Riku, who then gave it to Kairi]]. Both are somewhat convoluted, and the former assumption itself was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts02BirthBySleepAFragmentaryPassage 0.2]]'': [[spoiler:Aqua managed to meet up with Mickey in the Realm of Darkness near the end of [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI the original game]] and accompanied him to the other side of the door to Kingdom Hearts that Riku and Mickey sealed from the inside, but is dragged back down into the dark realm when she and the king [[TakingTheBullet throw themselves in the way of]] a swarm of Shadows that was targeting Riku in order to protect him. Riku didn't learn about this until after the events of ''Dream Drop Distance'' and is more than a bit upset that they were unable to save Aqua back then given that he clearly remembers their meeting and Aqua's words for him from ''BBS''.]] It remains to be seen if ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII'' will shed any more light on this.
* As for their backgrounds before they were Nobodies, it's very common to write Demyx as either a merman from Atlantica or a rockstar.
* Naminé, like her "other self" Kairi, never had all that much {{character development}} in the games she appeared in. A lot of fangirls, on the other hand, latch onto her for Fanon, often making her the YaoiFangirl to the other Nobodies, or to Sora and Riku.

to:

* ** This was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]]'', as [[spoiler:Kairi's Keyblade (named Destiny's Embrace) was the result of an unintentional rite of succession between Aqua and a young Kairi, whereas Sora and Roxas derive their second Keyblades from Ventus' heart within Sora (contrary to popular belief, Roxas absorbing Xion in ''Days'' was not the reason behind Roxas or Sora's dual-wielding)]]. ''Birth by Sleep'' also shows that Keyblades ''can'' be passed from one wielder to another: [[spoiler:Aqua loses her Keyblade, but since she had picked up Master Eraqus's Keyblade prior to this, she is able to summon and use his in its place.]] The question of ''how'' Riku obtained that Keyblade for Kairi, however, is rife for theories, including a popular notion that [[spoiler:Riku went to the Realm of Darkness and obtained it from Aqua herself off-screen during either ''Days'' or ''II'']], or, in light of ''3D'', the possibility that [[spoiler:Naminé, being Kairi's Nobody and having a heart of her own, eventually summoned the Keyblade herself and passed it on to Riku, who then gave it to Kairi]]. Both are somewhat convoluted, and the former assumption itself was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts02BirthBySleepAFragmentaryPassage 0.2]]'': [[spoiler:Aqua managed to meet up with Mickey in the Realm of Darkness near the end of [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI the original game]] and accompanied him to the other side of the door to Kingdom Hearts that Riku and Mickey sealed from the inside, but is dragged back down into the dark realm when she and the king [[TakingTheBullet throw themselves in the way of]] a swarm of Shadows that was targeting Riku in order to protect him. Riku didn't learn about this until after the events of ''Dream Drop Distance'' and is more than a bit upset that they were unable to save Aqua back then given that he clearly remembers their meeting and Aqua's words for him from ''BBS''.]] It remains to be seen if ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII'' will shed any more light on this.
* As for their backgrounds before they were Nobodies, it's very common to write Demyx as either a merman from Atlantica or a rockstar.
rockstar. That Xemnas reveals Demyx to have had past history as [[spoiler:a Keyblade wielder]] in ''III'' most likely puts a damper on at least the former half of this idea.
* Naminé, like her "other self" Kairi, never had all that much {{character development}} CharacterDevelopment}} in the games she appeared in. A lot of fangirls, on the other hand, latch onto her for Fanon, often making her the YaoiFangirl to the other Nobodies, or to Sora and Riku.



* ''Kingdom Hearts II'' heavily implied that Tifa is the embodiment of Cloud's light and thus isn't an actual person. It's however ambiguous enough for fans to interpret her as a normal character. Almost all fan works portray her as being Cloud and Aerith's friend like in the source games.

to:

* ''Kingdom Hearts II'' heavily implied that Tifa is the embodiment of Cloud's light and thus isn't an actual person. It's however ambiguous enough however for fans to interpret her as a normal character. Almost all fan works portray her as being Cloud and Aerith's friend like in the source games.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* While ''Kingdom Hearts II'' firmly stated that Nobodies do not have hearts, and therefore do not have feelings, [[TinMan this wasn't exactly shown through their actions]], leading many fans to believe that somehow they did have feelings and therefore Sora is a monster to oppose them. While ''3D''' revealed that they were right about the first thing (Nobodies, and for that matter anything capable of thinking of itself as a person, can ''earn'' a heart through living life and connecting to others), Sora's actions against the Organization were largely in self-defense against an unambiguously threatening enemy -- and even then, he was horrified to learn that Xemnas and Xigbar were deliberately keeping this information secret from them, since they might well ''not'' have opposed him if they had known they didn't need to.

to:

* While ''Kingdom Hearts II'' firmly stated that Nobodies do not have hearts, and therefore do not have feelings, [[TinMan this wasn't exactly shown through their actions]], leading many fans to believe that somehow they did have feelings and therefore Sora is a monster to oppose them. While ''3D''' ''3D'' revealed that they were right about the first thing (Nobodies, and for that matter anything capable of thinking of itself as a person, can ''earn'' a heart through living life and connecting to others), Sora's actions against the Organization were largely in self-defense against an unambiguously threatening enemy -- and even then, he was horrified to learn that Xemnas and Xigbar were deliberately keeping this information secret from them, since they might well ''not'' have opposed him if they had known they didn't need to.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The conviction some fans have that members of Organization XIII have feelings and that Sora is a monster for opposing them. Nobodies do ''not'' have hearts. This is firmly established in ''Kingdom Hearts II'' with members of Organization XIII confirming they don't have hearts or emotions, though they do have memories of emotions. The only exceptions to this seem to be Roxas and Xion (from their connection to Sora), Naminé (due to being a "special" Nobody due to unusual circumstances regarding her "birth"), and Axel (from the time he spent with Roxas). And to twist the knife further, ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3D 3D]]'' reveals that [[spoiler:Nobodies ''can'' actually grow hearts over time based off of their memories when they were whole. Additionally, Xemnas and Xigbar ''knew this all along and deliberately lied to the other members to manipulate them for their own ends''.]] Of course, Sora is hardly a "monster" for opposing them, since, [[spoiler:hearts or not]], he was mostly acting in self defense. On top of this, [[spoiler:Sora is visibly shocked and outraged that the other members of the Organization were left out of the loop and ended up dying for a false belief]]. At the end of the day, the deal with the Nobodies is ''not'' meant to be a black and white, cut and dried "they're evil, the end" situation. They're pitiable, even sympathetic at times, but they still needed to be stopped.

to:

* The conviction some fans have that members of Organization XIII have feelings and that Sora is a monster for opposing them. Nobodies do ''not'' have hearts. This is firmly established in While ''Kingdom Hearts II'' with members of Organization XIII confirming they don't firmly stated that Nobodies do not have hearts or emotions, though they hearts, and therefore do not have memories of emotions. The only exceptions to feelings, [[TinMan this seem to be Roxas and Xion (from wasn't exactly shown through their connection actions]], leading many fans to Sora), Naminé (due to being a "special" Nobody due to unusual circumstances regarding her "birth"), and Axel (from the time he spent with Roxas). And to twist the knife further, ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3D 3D]]'' reveals believe that [[spoiler:Nobodies ''can'' actually grow hearts over time based off of their memories when somehow they did have feelings and therefore Sora is a monster to oppose them. While ''3D''' revealed that they were whole. Additionally, Xemnas right about the first thing (Nobodies, and Xigbar ''knew this all along and deliberately lied to the other members to manipulate them for their own ends''.]] Of course, Sora is hardly a "monster" for opposing them, since, [[spoiler:hearts or not]], he was mostly acting in self defense. On top of this, [[spoiler:Sora is visibly shocked and outraged that the other members matter anything capable of thinking of itself as a person, can ''earn'' a heart through living life and connecting to others), Sora's actions against the Organization were left out of the loop largely in self-defense against an unambiguously threatening enemy -- and ended up dying for a false belief]]. At the end of the day, the deal with the Nobodies is even then, he was horrified to learn that Xemnas and Xigbar were deliberately keeping this information secret from them, since they might well ''not'' meant to be a black and white, cut and dried "they're evil, the end" situation. They're pitiable, even sympathetic at times, but have opposed him if they still needed to be stopped.had known they didn't need to.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Master Xehanort's Keyblade, also known as Luxu's Keyblade and the Master of Master's Keyblade, is frequently called "No Name" by fans, despite the fact that it has never actually been called that in-game. The idea stems from the scene where the Master of Masters explains to Luxu that [[spoiler: he put his own eye, called the Gazing Eye, into the keyblade]], and Luxu mistakenly takes this to mean that the keyblade itself is called "Gazing Eye." The Master corrects him, saying that the weapon has no name. In fact, the only instance of the keyblade being explicitly referred to by any name is in a report written by Luxu, in which he still calls it "the Gazing Eye." There actually ''is'' a keychain in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth By Sleep]]'' that is explicitly called "No name," but it's not this one.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

In ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'', due to the general vagueness of a lot of the inner mechanics of the universe, a couple theories have become embraced by the fandom.
----

* One notable one is the explanation for Kairi's Keyblade. In game, Riku just gives her a Keyblade out of nowhere during a sequence in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', which she uses during the sequence and seems to lose it by her next appearance. Sora gets a second Keyblade in many of his Drive forms. By connecting these two details together, the assumption that gets made is that "copy Keyblades" can be made and either used in the off-hand or given to someone else, with it vanishing when it's no longer necessary.
* This was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep Birth by Sleep]]'', as [[spoiler:Kairi's Keyblade (named Destiny's Embrace) was the result of an unintentional rite of succession between Aqua and a young Kairi, whereas Sora and Roxas derive their second Keyblades from Ventus' heart within Sora (contrary to popular belief, Roxas absorbing Xion in ''Days'' was not the reason behind Roxas or Sora's dual-wielding)]]. ''Birth by Sleep'' also shows that Keyblades ''can'' be passed from one wielder to another: [[spoiler:Aqua loses her Keyblade, but since she had picked up Master Eraqus's Keyblade prior to this, she is able to summon and use his in its place.]] The question of ''how'' Riku obtained that Keyblade for Kairi, however, is rife for theories, including a popular notion that [[spoiler:Riku went to the Realm of Darkness and obtained it from Aqua herself off-screen during either ''Days'' or ''II'']], or, in light of ''3D'', the possibility that [[spoiler:Naminé, being Kairi's Nobody and having a heart of her own, eventually summoned the Keyblade herself and passed it on to Riku, who then gave it to Kairi]]. Both are somewhat convoluted, and the former assumption itself was Jossed in ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts02BirthBySleepAFragmentaryPassage 0.2]]'': [[spoiler:Aqua managed to meet up with Mickey in the Realm of Darkness near the end of [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI the original game]] and accompanied him to the other side of the door to Kingdom Hearts that Riku and Mickey sealed from the inside, but is dragged back down into the dark realm when she and the king [[TakingTheBullet throw themselves in the way of]] a swarm of Shadows that was targeting Riku in order to protect him. Riku didn't learn about this until after the events of ''Dream Drop Distance'' and is more than a bit upset that they were unable to save Aqua back then given that he clearly remembers their meeting and Aqua's words for him from ''BBS''.]] It remains to be seen if ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII'' will shed any more light on this.
* As for their backgrounds before they were Nobodies, it's very common to write Demyx as either a merman from Atlantica or a rockstar.
* Naminé, like her "other self" Kairi, never had all that much {{character development}} in the games she appeared in. A lot of fangirls, on the other hand, latch onto her for Fanon, often making her the YaoiFangirl to the other Nobodies, or to Sora and Riku.
* The conviction some fans have that members of Organization XIII have feelings and that Sora is a monster for opposing them. Nobodies do ''not'' have hearts. This is firmly established in ''Kingdom Hearts II'' with members of Organization XIII confirming they don't have hearts or emotions, though they do have memories of emotions. The only exceptions to this seem to be Roxas and Xion (from their connection to Sora), Naminé (due to being a "special" Nobody due to unusual circumstances regarding her "birth"), and Axel (from the time he spent with Roxas). And to twist the knife further, ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3D 3D]]'' reveals that [[spoiler:Nobodies ''can'' actually grow hearts over time based off of their memories when they were whole. Additionally, Xemnas and Xigbar ''knew this all along and deliberately lied to the other members to manipulate them for their own ends''.]] Of course, Sora is hardly a "monster" for opposing them, since, [[spoiler:hearts or not]], he was mostly acting in self defense. On top of this, [[spoiler:Sora is visibly shocked and outraged that the other members of the Organization were left out of the loop and ended up dying for a false belief]]. At the end of the day, the deal with the Nobodies is ''not'' meant to be a black and white, cut and dried "they're evil, the end" situation. They're pitiable, even sympathetic at times, but they still needed to be stopped.
* There's a general idea within the fandom that Nobodies have no heartbeat and don't need to eat or sleep. This is despite the fact that Roxas is seen waking up at the start of several of his last days of summer vacation in ''II'' and the Organization members are shown to have their own bedrooms in ''Days''. Xigbar even makes a quip to Zexion about resting up for a big mission in a ''II Final Mix''-exclusive cutscene. Jury's out on if characters who lack a heart also have their actual blood-pumping organ affected, but as [[HumanoidAbomination they're otherwise human]], it's not impossible.
* ''Kingdom Hearts II'' heavily implied that Tifa is the embodiment of Cloud's light and thus isn't an actual person. It's however ambiguous enough for fans to interpret her as a normal character. Almost all fan works portray her as being Cloud and Aerith's friend like in the source games.

Top