Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Fanfic / YouSeeThem

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BrokenMasquerade: Before it can truly set in, the revelation that a Palace is still active snaps the Thieves and their ghost relatives out of the actualization. [[spoiler:Doesn't stop most of them from fully succumbing after New Year's, though...]]

to:

* BrokenMasquerade: Before it can truly set in, the revelation that a Palace is still active snaps the Thieves and their ghost relatives out of the actualization. [[spoiler:Doesn't [[spoiler:That doesn't stop most of them from fully succumbing after New Year's, though...]]



* EasilyForgiven: DefiedTrope. After being rescued, Ren being quick to forgive the rest of his allies for falling to Maruki's actualization wasn't taken well by them as they still couldn't forgive themselves for abandoning Ren and make him do all the heavylifting of freeing them from Maruki's actualization and hurting Ren in the process indirectly.

to:

* EasilyForgiven: DefiedTrope. After being rescued, Ren being quick to forgive The Thieves and the rest of his allies for falling to Maruki's actualization wasn't taken well by them as they ghosts still couldn't forgive themselves for abandoning Ren and make making him do all the heavylifting heavy lifting of freeing them from Maruki's actualization and actualization, indirectly hurting Ren him in the process indirectly.process. Hence, after they rescue him, they refuse to cooperate when he vehemently tries to brush it all off.



* HeroicRROD: According to Lavenza in Chapter 18, Ren expended most of his power [[spoiler:breaking the other Thieves out of the actualization]], all of them in one day. Which, you know, wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that right as he was about to start recovering his energy, [[spoiler:Maruki kidnapped him]].

to:

* HeroicRROD: According to Lavenza in Chapter 18, Ren expended most of his power [[spoiler:breaking the other Thieves out of the actualization]], all of them in one day. Which, you know, wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that right as he was about to start recovering his energy, [[spoiler:Maruki kidnapped him]]. After that's dealt with, he has to take a day to recover before they start the mission.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ThatCameOutWrong: In Chapter 20:
-->'''Yusuke''': We...betrayed you...\\
'''Ren''': Eh, it's no big deal. I'm used to it.\\
''(everyone but the Akechis look horrified and guiltier)''
'''Ren''': Wait--shit, that came out all wrong. All I'm trying to say is I've been hurt LOTS of times just as bad, if not worse, and, [[DiggingYourselfDeeper oh, this isn't helping]]...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ConditionedToAcceptHorror: In Chapter 20, when Ren's allies tried to apologize to Ren for betraying him and indirectly hurting him by falling for Maruki's actualization, Ren instead says that [[ThatCameOutWrong he's used to being betrayed in an attempt to assure them]]. This only served to make them feel worse about the problem instead.



* EasilyForgiven: DefiedTrope. After being rescued, Ren being quick to forgive the rest of his allies for falling to Maruki's actualization wasn't taken well by them as they still couldn't forgive themselves for abandoning Ren and make him do all the heavylifting of freeing them from Maruki's actualization and hurting Ren in the process indirectly.



* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: In Chapter 19, the rest of the thieves all lambast Maruki that any well intentions he had and the sympathies that the group had on him are lost when he not only attempted to decide what would be best for the whole world without the respective people's consent, including [[spoiler:barring ghosts from passing on and attempting to summon them back from the Sea of Souls]], when Ren demonstrated too much resistance to his plan and refused to stop, Maruki's response was to [[spoiler:put him into a magical coma until his new reality became permanent]], and then [[spoiler:forced all of the Personas Ren had except for Satanael]] to stop the rest of the Thieves when they came to save their leader. After all of that, Maruki's attempts to justify all his actions for the supposed sake of their happiness fell flat.

to:

* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: In Chapter 19, the rest of the thieves all lambast Maruki that any well intentions he had and the sympathies that the group had on him are lost when he not only attempted to decide what would be best for the whole world without the respective people's consent, including [[spoiler:barring ghosts from passing on and attempting to summon them back from the Sea of Souls]], when Ren demonstrated too much resistance to his plan and refused to stop, Maruki's response was to [[spoiler:put him into a magical coma until his new reality became permanent]], and then [[spoiler:forced all of the Personas Ren had except for Satanael]] to stop the rest of the Thieves when they came to save their leader. After all of that, Maruki's attempts to justify all his actions for the supposed sake of their happiness fell flat.

Changed: 1071

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BadassInDistress: [[spoiler:Ren was kidnapped and put in a magic-induced coma by Maruki in his palace and the rest of the thieves had to focus on luring his Persona away from Futaba who is tasked with bringing Ren out of Maruki's control.]]

to:

* BadassInDistress: [[spoiler:Ren was kidnapped Ren ends up in this situation when [[spoiler:Maruki kidnaps him at his weakest and put in puts him into a magic-induced magical coma by Maruki in his palace and to prevent him from interfering anymore]]; Lavenza has to personally intervene to gather the rest of the thieves Thieves and then send them off to save him. Then the actual rescue involves fighting through [[spoiler:all of the Personas he had to focus on luring his Persona away from except Satanael]], the rest of the Thieves [[DrawAggro drawing aggro]] while Futaba who is tasked with bringing Ren out of Maruki's control.]]focuses on breaking the spell.



* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: In Chapter 19, the rest of the thieves all lambast Maruki that any well intentions he had and the sympathies that the group had on him are lost when [[spoiler:not only did he try to attempt to revive the dead and decide what he ''believed'' would be the best for the whole world without the respective people's consent, Maruki kidnapped Ren just because Ren didn't agree to Maruki's ideal world and prevent Ren from interfering in his plan further by putting him in a magic-induced coma along with controlling all of the Persona's Ren had in hand except for Satanael. Maruki's attempts to justify all his actions for the supposed sake of their happiness after what he did to Ren didn't really help his case either and his kidnapping of Ren was considered the last straw for the group.]]

to:

* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: In Chapter 19, the rest of the thieves all lambast Maruki that any well intentions he had and the sympathies that the group had on him are lost when [[spoiler:not he not only did he try attempted to attempt to revive the dead and decide what he ''believed'' would be the best for the whole world without the respective people's consent, Maruki kidnapped including [[spoiler:barring ghosts from passing on and attempting to summon them back from the Sea of Souls]], when Ren just because Ren didn't agree demonstrated too much resistance to his plan and refused to stop, Maruki's ideal world and prevent Ren from interfering in his plan further by putting response was to [[spoiler:put him in into a magic-induced magical coma along with controlling until his new reality became permanent]], and then [[spoiler:forced all of the Persona's Personas Ren had in hand except for Satanael. Satanael]] to stop the rest of the Thieves when they came to save their leader. After all of that, Maruki's attempts to justify all his actions for the supposed sake of their happiness after what he did to Ren didn't really help his case either and his kidnapping of Ren was considered the last straw for the group.]]fell flat.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: In Chapter 19, the rest of the thieves all lambast Maruki that any well intentions he had and the sympathies that the group had on him are lost when [[spoiler:not only did he try to attempt to revive the dead and decide what he ''believed'' would be the best for the whole world without the respective people's consent, Maruki kidnapped Ren just because Ren didn't agree to Maruki's ideal world and prevent Ren from interfering in his plan further by putting him in a magic-induced coma along with controlling all of the Persona's Ren had in hand except for Satanael. Maruki's attempts to justify all his actions for the supposed sake of their happiness after what he did to Ren didn't really help his case either.]]

to:

* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: In Chapter 19, the rest of the thieves all lambast Maruki that any well intentions he had and the sympathies that the group had on him are lost when [[spoiler:not only did he try to attempt to revive the dead and decide what he ''believed'' would be the best for the whole world without the respective people's consent, Maruki kidnapped Ren just because Ren didn't agree to Maruki's ideal world and prevent Ren from interfering in his plan further by putting him in a magic-induced coma along with controlling all of the Persona's Ren had in hand except for Satanael. Maruki's attempts to justify all his actions for the supposed sake of their happiness after what he did to Ren didn't really help his case either.either and his kidnapping of Ren was considered the last straw for the group.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* BadassInDistress: [[spoiler:Ren was kidnapped and put in a magic-induced coma by Maruki in his palace and the rest of the thieves had to focus on luring his Persona away from Futaba who is tasked with bringing Ren out of Maruki's control.]]


Added DiffLines:

* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: In Chapter 19, the rest of the thieves all lambast Maruki that any well intentions he had and the sympathies that the group had on him are lost when [[spoiler:not only did he try to attempt to revive the dead and decide what he ''believed'' would be the best for the whole world without the respective people's consent, Maruki kidnapped Ren just because Ren didn't agree to Maruki's ideal world and prevent Ren from interfering in his plan further by putting him in a magic-induced coma along with controlling all of the Persona's Ren had in hand except for Satanael. Maruki's attempts to justify all his actions for the supposed sake of their happiness after what he did to Ren didn't really help his case either.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* LoopholeAbuse: Invoked. When Yusuke decided to join the team's bet about Ren's secretive superpowers ([[LockedOutOfTheLoop Without Ren's knowledge]]), Yusuke points to Ryuji that there's nothing about the bet saying that he can't use "insider" information and as Yusuke already knew Ren's secret during the time he joined the bet, he effectively won.

to:

* LoopholeAbuse: Invoked. When Yusuke decided to join the team's bet about Ren's secretive superpowers ([[LockedOutOfTheLoop Without without Ren's knowledge]]), Yusuke points out to Ryuji that there's nothing about the bet saying that he can't use "insider" information "insider knowledge" and as Yusuke already knew Ren's secret during the time he joined the bet, he effectively won.won. Ryuji and Ann don't really accept this argument, but Ryuji does agree to partially pay up after Yusuke explains that he only went into the bet for Ren's sake.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** And later, [[spoiler:the rest of the Phantom Thieves]] gain the ability after the final battle against [[spoiler:Yaldabaoth]] due to the latter's influence [[spoiler:erasing the Thieves from existence]]. Or so it seems; that explanation is perfectly feasible, yes, but it's quite possible that the actual reason they gained the ability is [[spoiler:the actualization beginning]]. Which one it is, only the sequel can tell.

to:

** And later, [[spoiler:the rest of the Phantom Thieves]] gain the ability after the final battle against [[spoiler:Yaldabaoth]] due to the latter's influence [[spoiler:erasing the Thieves from existence]]. Or so it seems; that explanation is perfectly feasible, yes, but it's quite possible that the actual reason they gained the ability is [[spoiler:the actualization beginning]]. Which one it is, only the sequel can tell. [[spoiler:Based on what follows, it seems the actualization is unrelated.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* LoopholeAbuse: Invoked. [[spoiler:When Yusuke decided to join the team's bet about Ren's secretive superpowers ([[LockedOutOfTheLoop Without Ren's knowledge]]), Yusuke points to Ryuji that there's nothing about the bet saying that he can't use "insider" information and as Yusuke already knew Ren's secret during the time he joined the bet, he effectively won.]]

to:

* LoopholeAbuse: Invoked. [[spoiler:When When Yusuke decided to join the team's bet about Ren's secretive superpowers ([[LockedOutOfTheLoop Without Ren's knowledge]]), Yusuke points to Ryuji that there's nothing about the bet saying that he can't use "insider" information and as Yusuke already knew Ren's secret during the time he joined the bet, he effectively won.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* LoopholeAbuse: Invoked. [[spoiler:When Yusuke decided to join the team's bet about Ren's secretive superpowers ([[LockedOutOfTheLoop Without Ren's knowledge]]), Yusuke points to Ryuji that there's nothing about the bet saying that he can't use "insider" information and as Yusuke already knew Ren's secret during the time he joined the bet, he effectively won.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AllPowerfulBystander: Averted by Lavenza in Chapters 17 and 18; when Ren is [[spoiler:kidnapped by Maruki]], she sends Futaba a message to call all of the Thieves together to Leblanc. Then, shortly after they break Maruki's spell, she shows up in person and explains the situation. Bear in mind also that ''existing'' in Maruki's reality is strenuous for her; she pushed through it so she could [[spoiler:save Ren]].

to:

* AllPowerfulBystander: Averted by Lavenza in Chapters 17 and 18; when Ren is [[spoiler:kidnapped by Maruki]], she sends Futaba a message to call all of the Thieves together to Leblanc. Then, shortly after they break Maruki's spell, she shows up in person and explains the situation. Bear in mind also that ''existing'' in Maruki's reality is strenuous for her; she pushed through it so she could [[spoiler:save Ren]].save Ren.



* BarredFromTheAfterlife: In Chapter 14, Ryuji helps out the ghost of his elderly neighbor Hayashi-san pass on, [[spoiler:only for her ghost to not disappear. She describes it as hitting a wall and bouncing back. It's implied, and later confirmed, that Maruki had set this up: not only has he barred anyone from passing through to the Sea of Souls, he's trying to summon others back from it]].

to:

* BarredFromTheAfterlife: In Chapter 14, Ryuji helps out the ghost of his elderly neighbor Hayashi-san pass on, [[spoiler:only only for her ghost to not disappear. She describes it as hitting a wall and bouncing back. It's implied, and later confirmed, that Maruki had set this up: not only has he barred anyone from passing through to the Sea of Souls, he's trying to summon others back from it]].it.



* CodeName: As a complement to Sumire's being Violet, [[spoiler:Kasumi's]] is Rose.

to:

* CodeName: As a complement to Sumire's being Violet, [[spoiler:Kasumi's]] [[spoiler:Kasumi]]'s is Rose.



* FirstEpisodeSpoiler: The first scene of Chapter 1 ends by revealing which Yoshizawa arrived at the end of the main story: [[spoiler:it's Kasumi. The actual Kasumi]].

to:

* FirstEpisodeSpoiler: The first scene of Chapter 1 ends by revealing which Yoshizawa arrived at the end of the main story: [[spoiler:it's Kasumi. The actual Kasumi]].Kasumi.



* HeelRealization: In a minor example, Kasumi—tasked by Igor and Lavenza to help break Maruki's spell—urges Ren hard to break his friends out of it, [[spoiler:such that he speaks to the ones not hanging around Leblanc in one day]]. When Ren brings up near the end that he feels like he's being pushed like he was with Sumire, which had ended ''badly'' for him, Kasumi immediately calms down and shows more concern for his well-being.

to:

* HeelRealization: In a minor example, Kasumi—tasked by Igor and Lavenza to help break Maruki's spell—urges Ren hard to break his friends out of it, [[spoiler:such such that he speaks [[spoiler:speaks to the ones not hanging around Leblanc in one day]]. When Ren brings up near the end that he feels like he's being pushed like he was with Sumire, which had ended ''badly'' for him, Kasumi immediately calms down and shows more concern for his well-being.



** Ryuji’s mother recognized her son from Shido’s calling card and remembers the events on Christmas Eve. In light of that, Ryuji told her everything and she agreed to keep their secret.

to:

** Ryuji’s Ryuji's mother recognized her son from Shido’s calling card and remembers the events on Christmas Eve. In light of that, Ryuji told her everything and she agreed to keep their secret.



** Chapter 9: Not only does [[spoiler:Sumire completely break free of the actualization]] in ''October'', but at the same time, [[spoiler:''Kasumi'', a ''ghost'', unlocks her Persona]]!

to:

** Chapter 9: Not only does [[spoiler:Sumire completely break free of the actualization]] in ''October'', but at the same time, [[spoiler:''Kasumi'', a ''ghost'', ''ghost'',]] unlocks her Persona]]!Persona!

Changed: 299

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Editing Tips 2 & 9.


* FightingFromTheInside: [[spoiler: It's strongly implied that [[PhysicalGod Satanael]] was doing this in chapter 19 when Maruki manifested Ren's Personas in order to fight the Phantom Thieves. Maruki notes, with a grimace mind you, that Satanael was "resisting" being summoned and that's why he could not do it in said fight. The very obvious implication being that since Satanael is an evolution of Arsene, who is Ren's main persona and inner self, his resistance was due to ''Ren'' himself resisting Maruki.]]

to:

* FightingFromTheInside: [[spoiler: It's strongly implied that [[PhysicalGod Satanael]] [[spoiler:[[PhysicalGod Satanael]]]] was doing this in chapter Chapter 19 when Maruki manifested [[spoiler:manifested Ren's Personas in order Personas]] to fight the Phantom Thieves. Maruki notes, with a grimace mind you, that Satanael [[spoiler:Satanael]] was "resisting" being summoned and that's why he could not do it in said fight. The very obvious implication being that since Satanael is an evolution of Arsene, who is Ren's main persona and inner self, his resistance him, implied to be because [[spoiler:Ren himself]] was due to ''Ren'' himself still resisting Maruki.]] Maruki.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FightingFromTheInside: [[spoiler: It's strongly implied that [[PhysicalGod Satanael]] was doing this in chapter 19 when Maruki manifested Ren's Personas in order to fight the Phantom Thieves. Maruki notes, with a grimace mind you, that Satanael was "resisting" being summoned as that's why he could not do it. The very obvious implication being that since Satanael is an evolution of Arsene, who is Ren's main persona and inner self, his resistance was due to ''Ren'' himself resisting Maruki.]]

to:

* FightingFromTheInside: [[spoiler: It's strongly implied that [[PhysicalGod Satanael]] was doing this in chapter 19 when Maruki manifested Ren's Personas in order to fight the Phantom Thieves. Maruki notes, with a grimace mind you, that Satanael was "resisting" being summoned as and that's why he could not do it.it in said fight. The very obvious implication being that since Satanael is an evolution of Arsene, who is Ren's main persona and inner self, his resistance was due to ''Ren'' himself resisting Maruki.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FightingFromTheInside:[[spoiler: It's strongly implied that [[PhysicalGod Satanael]] was doing this in chapter 19 when Maruki manifested Ren's Personas in order to fight the Phantom Thieves. Maruki notes, with a grimace mind you, that Satanael was "resisting" being summoned as that's why he could not do it. The very obvious implication being that since Satanael is an evolution of Arsene, who is Ren's main persona and inner self, his resistance was due to ''Ren'' himself resisting Maruki.]]

to:

* FightingFromTheInside:[[spoiler: FightingFromTheInside: [[spoiler: It's strongly implied that [[PhysicalGod Satanael]] was doing this in chapter 19 when Maruki manifested Ren's Personas in order to fight the Phantom Thieves. Maruki notes, with a grimace mind you, that Satanael was "resisting" being summoned as that's why he could not do it. The very obvious implication being that since Satanael is an evolution of Arsene, who is Ren's main persona and inner self, his resistance was due to ''Ren'' himself resisting Maruki.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FightingFromTheInside:[[spoiler:It's strongly implied that [[PhysicalGod Satanael]] was doing this in chapter 19 when Maruki manifested Ren's Personas in order to fight the Phantom Thieves. Maruki notes, with a grimace mind you, that Satanael was "resisting" being summoned as that's why he could not do it. The very obvious implication being that since Satanael is an evolution of Arsene, who is Ren's main persona and inner self, his resistance was due to ''Ren'' himself resisting Maruki.]]

to:

* FightingFromTheInside:[[spoiler:It's FightingFromTheInside:[[spoiler: It's strongly implied that [[PhysicalGod Satanael]] was doing this in chapter 19 when Maruki manifested Ren's Personas in order to fight the Phantom Thieves. Maruki notes, with a grimace mind you, that Satanael was "resisting" being summoned as that's why he could not do it. The very obvious implication being that since Satanael is an evolution of Arsene, who is Ren's main persona and inner self, his resistance was due to ''Ren'' himself resisting Maruki.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FightingFromTheInside:[[spoiler:It's strongly implied that [[PhysicalGod Satanael]] was doing this in chapter 19 when Maruki manifested Ren's Personas in order to fight the Phantom Thieves. Maruki notes, with a grimace mind you, that Satanael was "resisting" being summoned as that's why he could not do it. The very obvious implication being that since Satanael is an evolution of Arsene, who is Ren's main persona and inner self, his resistance was due to ''Ren'' himself resisting Maruki.]]

Added: 1778

Changed: 755

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FlunkyBoss: In Chapter 19, when the Thieves confront Maruki in his Palace, in a twisted echo of what happens in the game, he manifests the Persona of his prisoner to subdue them. [[spoiler:Or rather, Personas; he calls 16 powerful Personas from Ren's heart, with 15 answering the call (all but Satanael)]], and it's all that the Thieves can do to buy time until Oracle manages to wake [[spoiler:the comatose Ren]] up and force the fight to end.



* HeroicSacrifice: Non-fatal but still epic example in Chapter 19: while dealing with [[spoiler:the blitz of Personas that Maruki got from Ren]], Rose invokes Amitiel to redirect some of their final blows to her, knocking her out of the rest of the fight.
* HopeSpot: In Chapter 19, just as the Thieves are on the verge of defeating [[spoiler:Maruki's blitz of controlled Personas]], [[spoiler:Maria]] in the background heals all of their enemies and revives a couple of the defeated ones.



* ThisIsUnforgivable: The ghost of the real Kasumi ''absolutely despises'' Dr. Maruki for his BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood act on Sumire. Ironically, both here and in the original game, Sumire doesn't have any resentment towards him (since he arguably prevented her from being DrivenToSuicide out of despair). When Maruki admits to his knowledge of her and tries to talk to her, she refuses to hear a word he says. [[BeAsUnhelpfulAsPossible A pity, that, as it would have given crucial insight into his master plan]].

to:

* ThisIsUnforgivable: TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: After the first fight against Maruki in his Palace—or rather, after breaking his puppet proxy free of the actualization—the Thieves lambast Maruki for his distorted ambition. Violet cuts deepest by admitting to him that [[spoiler:what he did to Ren]] has destroyed the faith and good feelings she had towards him, genuinely devastating the man. But not enough to make him rethink his plan.
* ThisIsUnforgivable:
**
The ghost of the real Kasumi ''absolutely despises'' Dr. Maruki for his BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood act on Sumire. Ironically, both here and in the original game, Sumire doesn't have any resentment towards him (since he arguably prevented her from being DrivenToSuicide out of despair). When Maruki admits to his knowledge of her and tries to talk to her, she refuses to hear a word he says. [[BeAsUnhelpfulAsPossible A pity, that, as it would have given crucial insight into his master plan]].plan]].
** Ironically, both here and in the original game, Sumire doesn't have any resentment towards him at first, since he arguably prevented her from being DrivenToSuicide out of despair. But she never truly forgave him for the pain he caused Kasumi, and she refuses to forgive him for [[spoiler:kidnapping and drugging Ren]].



* UnstoppableRage: Kasumi goes ''berserk'' when she finds out that Maruki [[spoiler:kidnapped Ren]].

to:

* UnstoppableRage: UnstoppableRage:
** In Chapter 18,
Kasumi goes ''berserk'' when she finds out that Maruki [[spoiler:kidnapped Ren]].


Added DiffLines:

** In Chapter 19, the rest of the Thieves become livid as well, even Violet.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
An Axe To Grind is no longer a trope


* AxCrazy: [[AnAxeToGrind Literally, even,]] for Haru, as in canon. It's not particularly surprising when we see that she inherited it from her father.

to:

* AxCrazy: [[AnAxeToGrind Literally, even,]] even, for Haru, as in canon. It's not particularly surprising when we see that she inherited it from her father.

Added: 1074

Changed: 715

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* EyeScream: In the Confidants side story, Wakaba attacks Youji whenever he comes to Leblanc. The first time he starts tormenting Futaba, Wakaba tries jamming her fingers in his eyes, and he hisses in pain. The second time, she does it harder, and he screams.



* TerriblePickUpLines: In the Confidants side story, Ren tells Sojiro that Wakaba has been telling him all about Sojiro's pick-up lines, and apparently, she liked the bad ones best.
-->'''Ren''': She said you ALMOST had her with 'did it hurt when you ascended through the crust of the earth? Because you're hot as hell.'



* UnstoppableRage: The general sentiment of the Phantom Thieves towards Ren's parents, who abused and gaslit him regarding his ability to see ghosts, especially after they call in Chapter 24 and reaffirm the treatment. Morgana, the only one who hears it, goes berserk as soon as the call ends, and the sentiment spreads to Futaba, Sojiro, and the rest of the Thieves when they hear it.
** Kawakami feels the same way when Ren tells her about it.

to:

* UnstoppableRage: UnstoppableRage:
**
The general sentiment of the Phantom Thieves towards Ren's parents, who abused and gaslit him regarding his ability to see ghosts, especially after they call in Chapter 24 and reaffirm the treatment. Morgana, the only one who hears it, goes berserk as soon as the call ends, and the sentiment spreads to Futaba, Sojiro, and the rest of the Thieves when they hear it.
** *** Kawakami feels the same way when Ren tells her about it.it.
** In the side story, Wakaba is incensed about her brother Youji's behavior from the first time he comes into Leblanc. It gets worse every time, up until the last time when he tries attacking Futaba and then threatens to sue Ren when he trips and falls. She goes so berserk that for an instant, Sojiro, Futaba, and Youji can see and hear her.
-->'''Wakaba''': '''''YOOOOOOUUUUJJJJIIIIIIIII! GET AWAY FROM MY CHILDREN AND GO TO HELL!'''''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Dewicked trope'


* SinisterScythe: [[spoiler:Kasumi]]'s WeaponOfChoice in the Metaverse.

to:

* SinisterScythe: [[spoiler:Kasumi]]'s WeaponOfChoice weapon in the Metaverse.

Added: 989

Changed: 124

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Yoshida, appropriately, doesn't find out by any arcane means; he discerns that Ren suffers from trauma the same way he himself flinched at "No-Good Tora," but just as Ren helped Yoshida build up his confidence, Yoshida encouraged Ren in every conversation they had. Which leads to Ren telling him everything with no outside influence after [[spoiler:learning the truth about his parents]].



* {{Touche}}: From Chapter 6, after Chihaya inadvertently exposes Ren's secret to Morgana, and the latter asks why he had kept it secret:

to:

* {{Touche}}: {{Touche}}:
**
From Chapter 6, after Chihaya inadvertently exposes Ren's secret to Morgana, and the latter asks why he had kept it secret:


Added DiffLines:

** From Chapter 5 of the Confidants side story, after Ren tells Yoshida his secret and Yoshida suggests a government position for helping ghosts:
-->'''Yoshida''': Imagine it: Minister of Ghost Affairs! It has a ring to it.\\
'''Ren''': Sounds like something out of a book.\\
'''Yoshida''': ''(scoffs)'' Doesn't the very concept of the Phantom Thieves and ghosts existing already sound like something out of a book?\\
'''Ren''': ''(snorts)'' Touche, Yoshida-sensei... touche.

Changed: 202

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AdaptationalWimp: A ''very'' downplayed example concerning Red. [[spoiler:In canon, he gets through the interrogation and recruits Sae completely on his own, even through the drugs and beating. Here, he has Makoto's dad with him the entire time, helping him remember what to say (and what ''not'' to say) the whole time.]]

to:

* AdaptationalWimp: A ''very'' downplayed example concerning Red. [[spoiler:In Ren. In canon, he [[spoiler:he gets through the interrogation and recruits Sae completely on his own, own]], even through the [[spoiler:the drugs and beating. beating]], and is completely back to normal one day later. Here, he has Makoto's dad [[spoiler:Makoto's dad]] with him the entire time, him, helping him remember what [[spoiler:what to say (and what ''not'' to say) say)]] the whole time.]]time, and needs a couple of weeks to recover from the physical and mental trauma.

Added: 491

Changed: 15

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AdaptationalWimp: A ''very'' downplayed example concerning Red. [[spoiler:In canon, he gets through the interrogation and recruits Sae completely on his own, even through the drugs and beating. Here, he has Makoto's dad with him the entire time, helping him remember what to say (and what ''not'' to say) the whole time.]]



** Chapter 50, the final chapter, ends with the lead-in to the new content from ''Royal'': [[spoiler:Ren, Akechi, Ayumu, and Yoshizawa]] become aware that everything is going too well, and that something about it is wrong. Doubles as a SequelHook.

to:

** Chapter 50, the final chapter, ends with the lead-in to the new content from ''Royal'': [[spoiler:Ren, Akechi, Ayumu, and an unspecified Yoshizawa]] become aware that everything is going too well, and that something about it is wrong. Doubles as a SequelHook.


Added DiffLines:

* FirstEpisodeSpoiler: The first scene of Chapter 1 ends by revealing which Yoshizawa arrived at the end of the main story: [[spoiler:it's Kasumi. The actual Kasumi]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** He also doesn't take it well when people call him crazy.

to:

** He also doesn't take it well when people call him crazy. crazy, though that changes after [[spoiler:learning that his parents always knew he wasn't]].

Added: 338

Changed: 1

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TraumaButton: For the longest time, Ren does every thing he can to keep his ability a secret, and just the thought of it being exposed or telling anyone about it puts him in a cold sweat. The first time Chihaya met him and said he was a ghost talker like her (in front of Morgana), he panicked and took off.

to:

* TraumaButton: For the longest time, Ren does every thing everything he can to keep his ability a secret, and just the thought of it being exposed or telling anyone about it puts him in a cold sweat. The first time Chihaya met him and said he was a ghost talker like her (in front of Morgana), he panicked and took off.


Added DiffLines:

* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: In Chapter 14, when the train ride finally ends, they remark on [[TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot it had been a long train ride, appropriate for a long story]], with Yusuke comparing it to an author's intervention and Futaba saying that doing that [[SelfDeprecation would be some lazy writing, like a bad fanfiction]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* RevengeBeforeReason: When Lavenza and Igor [[spoiler:charge Kasumi with keeping the Phantom Thieves on the right track in Maruki's reality]], she tries to head this off at the pass:
-->'''Lavenza''': ...but remember to not let your own lust for revenge blind you.\\
'''[[spoiler:Kasumi]]''': What's that supposed to mean? I don't want him dead, I think. Just... remorseful.\\
''(Lavenza gives [[spoiler:Kasumi]] a look they don't like)''\\
'''Lavenza''': ...As you say.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* NoSympathy: When the ghosts decide that [[spoiler:Akechi's punishment for his crimes]] is that he's going to help [[spoiler:every single one of his victims find peace and pass on, with the addendum that they're probably going to haunt him until he's finished]], none of the Thieves offer him even a hint of sympathy - if anything, they're ''laughing''. Ren is flat-out ''glad'' that he's not going to be the one who's [[spoiler:helping the ghosts move on in this case. Of course, it's justified in that Akechi did help frame the Thieves for Kunikazu Okumura's murder (which he was guilty of), killed both Kunikazu himself and Futaba's mother Wakaba, and [[LaserGuidedKarma directly or indirectly killed every single one of the other aforementioned ghosts]]...]]

to:

* NoSympathy: When the ghosts decide that [[spoiler:Akechi's punishment for his crimes]] is that he's going to help [[spoiler:every single one of his victims find peace and pass on, with the addendum that they're probably going to haunt him until he's finished]], none of the Thieves offer him even a hint of sympathy - sympathy; if anything, they're ''laughing''. Ren is flat-out ''glad'' that he's not going to be the one who's [[spoiler:helping the ghosts move on on]] in this case. Of course, it's justified in that Akechi [[spoiler:Akechi did help frame the Thieves for Kunikazu Okumura's murder (which he was guilty of), killed both Kunikazu himself and Futaba's mother Wakaba, and [[LaserGuidedKarma directly or indirectly killed every single one of the other aforementioned ghosts]]...]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The Thieves are forewarned about what Maruki can and will do, fulfilling their dreams, but they resolve to refuse it in favor of the truth. One week later, [[spoiler:everyone but Ren, Akechi, his mother, and the twins have succumbed to the actualization.]]

to:

** The Thieves are forewarned about what Maruki can and will do, fulfilling their dreams, but they resolve to refuse it in favor of the truth. One week later, [[spoiler:everyone but Ren, Akechi, his mother, and the twins have succumbed to the actualization.]]actualization]].



* NonElemental: [[spoiler:Kasumi's specialty seems to be Almighty attacks]].

to:

* NonElemental: [[spoiler:Kasumi's [[spoiler:Kasumi]]'s specialty seems to be Almighty attacks]]. attacks.



** Chapter 9: [[spoiler:Not only does Sumire completely break free of the actualization in ''October'', but at the same time, ''Kasumi'', a ''ghost'', unlocks her Persona!]].
** Chapter 13: During the final battle of the main story, [[spoiler:Kasumi ended up meeting Lavenza on her own, who informed her of how big a threat Maruki was about to become. After she reaffirmed an unwillingness to live (as a ghost or otherwise) under Maruki's control, Kasumi was brought to speak with Igor.]]

to:

** Chapter 9: [[spoiler:Not Not only does Sumire [[spoiler:Sumire completely break free of the actualization actualization]] in ''October'', but at the same time, ''Kasumi'', [[spoiler:''Kasumi'', a ''ghost'', unlocks her Persona!]].
Persona]]!
** Chapter 13: During the final battle of the main story, [[spoiler:Kasumi ended up meeting Lavenza on her own, who informed her of how big a threat Maruki was about to become. After she reaffirmed an unwillingness to live (as a ghost or otherwise) under Maruki's control, Kasumi was brought to speak with Igor.]]Igor]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FriendlyEnemy: Despite knowing he brainwashed Sumire (and that he's responsible for the world getting warped), neither Ren or Sumire has any trouble having a friendly conversation with Maruki. Kasumi, not so much...

to:

* FriendlyEnemy: Despite Maruki has no animosity towards any of the Thieves, and despite knowing he brainwashed Sumire (and that he's responsible for the world getting warped), neither Ren or nor Sumire has any trouble having a friendly conversation with Maruki.him either. Kasumi, not so much...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FriendlyEnemy: Despite knowing he brainwashed Sumire (and that he's responsible for the world getting warped), neither Ren or Sumire has any trouble having a friendly conversation with Maruki. Kasumi, not so much...

Top