Ren Amamiya has spent his whole life seeing people who no one else can and being called crazy. By the time he reaches Tokyo on probation, he swears to himself that he will never speak to someone who supposedly isnt there ever again.
Easier said than done as several spirits come calling as he leads the Phantom Thieves.
The main work ran from March to September of 2020. Additionally, a side-story covering interactions with his confidants (including the Royal ones) began on August 31, 2020.
The sequel, We See Them, covers the added content from Royal and began production in October 2020.
Tropes in You See Them and the side story include:
- Abusive Parents: Ren's parents were not remotely supportive of him having I See Dead People, and regularly told him that he was hallucinating it. Chapter 33 reveals that they were otherwise good parents, but Makoto puts it best:Makoto: Just because an abuser is nice to you some or even most of the time doesnt mean theyre not an abuser.
- Actually Pretty Funny: When Sae sees Makoto and Ren together in the aftermath of Okumura's Palace, Makoto and Haru invent a story of him being gay with Ryuji. A few chapters later, the truth comes out after Sae's change of heart, and she has this reaction.
- Adaptational Personality Change: Ren is portrayed as fairly quiet, shy, and reserved; a far cry from his usual portrayal in fanfics.
- Ascended Extra: Masumi Kitagawa (Yusuke's mother), Wakaba Isshiki, Genkei Niijima, and Ayumu Akechi, Goro's mother, are all side characters here despite being dead in canon (they're still dead, but thanks to Ren that's not as big of a problem as it would be normally). Also, Ren's own parents, who are completely absent in canon, though they're still mostly out of sight.
- The Atoner:
- Kunikazu Okumura does everything in his power to aid the Phantom Thieves after his change of heart.
- Ren's parents as well, though they mostly accomplish this by not appearing much.
- Ax-Crazy: Literally, even, for Haru, as in canon. It's not particularly surprising when we see that she inherited it from her father.
- Big "NO!": Kunikazu Okumura gives one after the Thieves defeat him, when Black Mask prepares to shoot Haru.
- Big "SHUT UP!": Ren gives one after his parents try to rationalize abusing him when they knew all along that he really could see ghosts:Joker: Shut. Up. Shut up! SHUT UP! You did nothing that ever did me any good, and you damn well know it!
- Big "WHAT?!":
- Ryuji's reaction in Chapter 21 when Chihaya reveals that the Tokyo Whisperer's organization has already blacklisted Ren. Ann joins him in an even bigger one when Chihaya says it's because of his criminal record.
- Ren (surprising even himself) in Chapter 2 of the Sidestory after Ryuji admits that he accidentally blew his secret to Mishima.
- Morgana's reaction near the end of Chapter 25 when he sees the text from Makoto about Kobayakawa's death.
- Ryuji gives another in Chapter 28 when Ren asks his team if he's not crazy, due to his parents' recent call stirring up doubts about his power.
- Ryuji, again, in Chapter 31 after Ren's parents reveal through their Shadows that they had always known that Ren really was able to see ghosts.
- The Chain of Harm: The residents of Ren's hometown treated his parents as outcasts because his grandmother could see ghosts and didn't bother to hide it (their Treasure's seed was a brick with a paper attached saying "WITCH"), which led to them abusing Ren in order to get him to stop saying he could as well.
- Chekhov's Gun: In Chapter 21, in response to a question from Yusuke, Chihaya reveals that the only way a non-seer can possibly gain the ability to see ghosts is through a near-death experience. Cut to 21 chapters later, and Goro Akechi gains the ability after the Thieves barely save him from his attempted sacrifice.
- In Chapter 14, Wakaba's ghost manifests in Futaba's Palace and tells Ren that it's time to come clean about his power.
- Chapter 26 ends with Haru showing up at Leblanc carrying an injured Morgana, closing the chapter on her introducing herself.
- Chapter 28 ends with Kobayakawa frantically warning Ren of Masayoshi Shido's role as the mastermind and, more pressingly, his plan to assassinate Kunikazu Okumura and frame the Phantom Thieves for it.
- Chapter 31 ends with Ren's parents hanging up on Sojiro after the latter accidentally reveals that Ren told him about his ability to see ghosts.
- Chapter 42 ends with Akechi gaining the ability to see ghosts, and Okumura's ghost proceeding to summon every single one of his victims' ghosts to confront him.
- Chapter 50, the final chapter, ends with the lead-in to the new content from Royal: Ren, Akechi, Ayumu, and Yoshizawa become aware that everything is going too well, and that something about it is wrong. Doubles as a Sequel Hook.
- Cursed With Awesome:
- Ren feels this way for much of the story, and it takes a lot of persuasion from his friends (and learning the truth about his parents' abuse) for him to accept that it really is a gift.
- However, the trope is played completely straight for Goro Akechi due to his previous victimsall of themtaking advantage of his new ability to express their displeasure almost immediately after the power is awakened.
- Dirty Coward: Principal Kobayakawa. Even as a ghost.
- Dope Slap: In the vein of I Heard That:Sojiro: Wakaba's always been good at pep talks when she really meant it. (chuckles and smiles) Really shitty at it when she didn't mean it, though. (winces from chill striking the back of his head) It's the truth and you damn well know it, Wakaba.
- Dumbass Has a Point: In Chapter 4 of the side story, Taiki's ghost needs to clear the air with Kawakami before he and his real parents can move on. Ren tries writing a note with his message, but...Ryuji: This is dumb, you know that, right, Ren? Shes gonna figure it out! Wont matter which way you cut it.
Morgana: Wow. Didnt expect the words of wisdom to come from Blondie.
Ryuji: Ah, shuddup, cat!
- Even Evil Can Be Loved: Ayumu Akechi admits that she can't defend what Goro is doing, but she still loves him since he's her son.
- Even Evil Has Loved Ones: While he's upset with her for committing suicide and leaving him alone, it's made clear that despite everything Goro Akechi still loves his mother.
- For Want of a Nail: Ren has the ability to see people's ghosts. Nearly every change in the story is a direct or indirect result of this.
- Futaba's eavesdropping on Leblanc results in her hearing about Ren talking to her mother's ghost, who never hated her. It doesn't make a massive difference for the Palace infiltration, but Futaba does open up to them more willingly.
- Ghostly Chill: The only indication of a ghost's presence for those who can't see or hear them is the cold feeling on a person's skin whenever a ghost touches them. The surrounding temperature also drops dramatically with a sense of dread when angry ghosts are nearby, and the effects intensify with more of them around.
- Hazy Feel Turn: Kobayakawa starts working for the Thieves as a spy after he dies, but it's at least partly because he's scared he'll go to hell for his actions in life if he doesn't start trying to do good.
- Later on, the SIU director joins him, and he states flat-out he's just in it to get revenge on Shido before he (probably) goes to hell.
- Heroic BSoD: After her father's Shadow dies Taking the Bullet for her, Haru goes into shock for a short time.
- Heroic Sacrifice: When Black Mask appears in Okumura's Palace to kill him, he trains his gun on Haru. Okumura jumps in front of the gun to protect her, resulting in his death.
- Immune to Mind Control: The ghosts are all immune to the effects of Yaldabaoth's cognitive override, as all of them carry their Shadows with them, and inherently desire freedom from their aimlessly wandering afterlives. Joker points out that their revulsion to the new reality proves the masses don't want it, but Yaldabaoth rejects this and announces his intent to eradicate the "abominations" entirely and erase all doubt towards his worldview.
- In Spite of a Nail:
- Ren confronted Shido when he was trying to kidnap/possibly rape a woman because he was led there by the ghost of the woman's sister. It went as well for Ren as it did in canon.
- The Phantom Thieves are forewarned of the Conspiracy's attempt to kill Okumura and lay the blame on them, and adjust their plans and calling card accordingly. Black Mask still kills Okumura, because the latter jumps in front of the bullet when he aims at Haru. But because they retooled the calling card to carry a warning about the assassination and also made sure to publicize it, the public's support only decreases to around 50%.
- The Phantom Thieves steal Shido's treasure and bring down the whole conspiracy with him, and the public's reaction is still to deny the Phantom Thieves' existence and assume Shido is just sick and will get better soon, even without anyone pulling the strings on what they believe. Or, well, without anyone other than Yaldabaoth and his More Than Mind Control pulling the strings.
- In the Blood: Haru seems to get her sadism from her father: even after the latter's HeelFace Turn, they both take a little too much pleasure in seeing Akechi get swarmed by the ghosts of the people he murdered.
- I See Dead People: Ren has been able to see and hear people's ghosts since he was a child. As it turns out, though, so can Chihaya Mifune. And Ren's grandmother could too - which led to her being viewed as insane, becoming an outcast, and her own family getting the same treatment as her, which led to his parents being Abusive Parents to Ren in an effort to get him to stop saying he saw them as well.
- I See Them, Too:
- As it turns out, in addition to her fortune-telling prowess Chihaya is another ghost-seer like Ren is, and after a rough start the two of them bond over it.
- Kaoru, Iwai's son, also turns out to be one of these, with his deceased mother having watched over him since he was an infant.
- It Runs in the Family: Genkei is incredibly intimidating when he gets mad, leading his fellow ghosts and Ren to remark that Makoto and Sae clearly take after him.
- It's Personal: Akechi is, to say the least of it, pissed when he discovers that he was Yaldabaoth's Unwitting Pawn for pretty much the entire story, and promptly buries any issues he has with the Thieves to focus on killing it.
- Jump Scare: The typical response of people who see a ghost appearing/teleporting in out of nowhere, even Ren (who's fairly used to it). Akechi gets it pretty badly a few times. Later on, so does the rest of the team.
- Keystone Army: Masayoshi Shido, in an attempt to secure his power after losing too many sources of income to the Phantom Thieves, uses his knowledge of the Metaverse to fuse all of his co-conspirators' Treasures with his own. He's confident in his Palace's defenses, but if a calling card is issued with the names of everyone involved, stealing Shido's Treasure will destroy the entire Conspiracy.
- Know When to Fold 'Em: The yakuza Cleaner's Shadow leaves Shido's Palace after he's beaten by the Thieves, and Futaba states he's likely going to make it back to his own Palace by the time they send the calling card, meaning he won't be affected by the Keystone Army effect above.
- Laser-Guided Karma: Akechi, after gaining the ghost-seer abilities that Ren has, gets swarmed by the ghosts of all the people he killed, and their eventual decision on what to do with him is that he has to help them all pass on by dealing with whatever is keeping them around.
- Mama Bear: The things Wakaba would do if she wasn't a ghost...
- Morton's Fork: The Phantom Thieves' choice in regards to targetting Okumura after being warned of Shido's plan: if they send the calling card, the assassin will kill Okumura and frame the Thieves. If they don't, the assassin will send a forged calling card, then kill Okumura and frame the Thieves anyway.
- My God, What Have I Done?: Typical of a change of heart, Ren's parents apologize profusely, crying all the while, for what they did. It's far from enough for Ren to forgive them anytime soon, if ever.
- Not in This for Your Revolution: Kobayakawa, the SIU Director, and Goro Akechi are decidedly not on the side of the Thieves for the sake of helping people.
- Out of Focus: Aside from Sojiro and the other Thieves, almost all of Ren's confidants are this. The author stated that they plan to cover them in a side story, including the Royal ones, and posted that story shortly after publishing Chapter 45.
- Papa Wolf: Most fathers in the story are this, as much as they can be. Sojiro, Genkei Niijima, and even Kunikazu Okumura after his change of heart.
- Pungeon Master: Almost as soon as he learns Ren's secret, Ryuji begins cracking "dead" and "ghost" jokes at every possible opportunity.
- "The Reason You Suck" Speech: Makoto gets to give one of these to Kobayakawa in Chapter 26, and it is epic:Makoto: You listen to me, you son of a bitch. You were, and still are, even in death, a whiny, selfish, despicable excuse of a human being who is only concerned about his own wellbeing. You got your job as a lapdog of the people orchestrating murders of innocents, as well as the endangerment and injuries of those subject to psychotic breakdown. You had to know all of this if you were going to the police about it, but up until then, you were more than happy to turn a blind eye for your own gain! And what did all of this really get you in the end?! You died! Youre dead, and nothing you had followed you in death. If you want our help, you need to stop your groveling and complaining and help us, you pathetic, self-pitying weasel.
Genkei: Listen here, you piece of shit. At least I died in the line of duty for something worthwhile and left something good behind in the world my daughters. You died, sad and alone, betrayed by your own boss. You have no one and nothing to take pride in, and no significant legacy left behind you because you were too busy kissing ass in hopes of a little money and influence being thrown your way. What little you got counts for jack shit in death. What do you have to still be smug over, you dead sack of shit?
- Genkei gives one in a later chapter after the SIU director joins their spy network of ghosts:
- Reformed, but Rejected: Played with in regards to several bad guys who change sides upon their deaths; the Thieves and their parental figures may not be eager to work with them or forgive them, but they are aware that they can use their help and they, the ghosts, have nothing left to lose.
- Revealing Injury: Joker manages to shoot Black Mask in the shoulder when he shows up to assassinate Okumura, though it's not enough to save him. Okumura later spies on Shido as a ghost and overhears that the medical treatment for Black Mask's gunshot wound was being publicized as an operation for appendicitis - the same reason Mishima had just given the Thieves for Akechi's sudden disappearance from the public eye.
- Running Gag:
- Ren's utter hatred of "Wraith".
- Ren getting startled by ghosts appearing in front of him out of thin air. Doubly so when Akechi gains the ability to see ghosts too, since he hasn't had 17 years to get used to it.
- Secret Keeper: More for the ghost-whispering than for being a Phantom Thief, in this case, but it's the usual suspects:
- The rest of the Thieves find out, of course; Morgana becomes the first in Chapter 6 when Chihaya tells Ren that she shares his gift, him being in the bag as usual. In Chapter 9, Ren reluctantly exposes himself to Yusuke so the latter's mother can finally be at rest, and Futaba finds out around the same time through her wiretapping. They keep his secret until Wakaba uses Futaba's Palace to expose him to the remaining Thieves in Chapter 15. Finally, Haru finds out in Chapter 27, after formally joining the Thieves.
- At Wakaba's prompting, Ren also tells Sojiro in Chapter 19. While the old man takes time to adjust, he's as supportive as possible but advises against him telling anyone else unless he absolutely must.
- Makoto informs Sae in Chapter 39 after she rescues Ren from assassination.
- Takemi hears Ren mumble in his sleep about being able to see ghosts during the clinical trials; she initially dismisses it, but after several more comes to start believing it, and becomes certain after Oyamada's change of heart, preceded by Ren being completely certain that Miwa wasn't dead. She also keeps Akechi's secret when the time comes.
- Mishima finds out on the Hawaii trip thanks towhat else?Ryuji opening his big mouth. Of course, as usual, Mishima is as supportive as he can be.
- Iwai takes it more easily than most people since his son Kaoru can also see ghosts; Ren gives away his ability by accident when he sees Kaoru's mother with him and talks to her before realizing she's a ghost.
- Kawakami is the first confidant shown in the side story that Ren deliberately confesses to, letting her and Taiki have one last conversation so he and his real parents can finally move on.
- On another note, Wakaba is the only one to learn about Ren hiring her through the maid service, and though judgmental, she doesn't tell anyone else.
- Shut Up, Hannibal!: Yaldabaoth tries to tempt Akechi after the Thieves make it to the temple a second time. Akechi responds by shooting him.Akechi: Shut up and die!
- Side Bet: Chapter 11 shows that Ryuji and Ann were betting on what Ren's special ability is, and Yusukewho had already learned the truthhad also put one down. When the truth comes out a few chapters later, Ann and Ryuji refuse to pay him (1000 yen and a 12-pack of jagarikonote ) due to him already knowing... though Ryuji concedes to give him the funds for the jagariko when Yusuke reveals he only got in on the bet for Ren's sake; namely, to plant the idea of the truth in the others' heads so they'd be less likely to freak out about it.
- Something Only They Would Say: The typical way that Ren proves his ability to see ghosts to people other than his teammates.
- "It's Buchi cop time" is something Makoto, as a child, always said to her father when he left for work; Genkei has Ren tell her once his secret comes out.
- "Remember that black coffee saves you at midnight" was a phrase that Sojiro and Wakaba came up with in just such a situation as one of them being a ghost.
- Genkei gives Ren numerous things to say during his interrogation that make Sae think of her father and later tells him to ask her if she's "having a Sae sigh," something he used to say whenever she sighed or got huffy.
- Taiki Takase, Kawakami's former student, has a few of these that convince Kawakami that it was really him speaking, including the phrases "que sera, sera" and "math is the devil" as well as a love of history, especially ancient history.
- Spanner in the Works: Kobayakawa's ghost was able to warn the Thieves that Shido was planning to pin the mental shutdowns on them before they did their raid on Okumura's Treasure, which led to them altering the calling card to warn both him and the general public that they weren't responsible for the mental shutdowns. And later on, Okumura himself is able to piece together that Akechi is Shido's assassin.
- Spared by the Adaptation: They cut it down to the wire to the point that a bullet has been fired and almost strikes the fatal blow, but the Phantom Thieves ultimately manage to prevent Goro Akechi's death.
- Stealth Hi/Bye: Ren is on the receiving end of both sides of this on many occasions from many ghosts. And even the ones that don't get a kick out of scaring him almost never apologize for it.
- Super Empowering: The only way a non-seer can possibly gain the ability to see ghosts is through a near-death experience.
- Goro Akechi gains the ability after the Thieves barely save him from his cognitive double on Shido's ship.
- And later, the rest of the Phantom Thieves gain the ability after the final battle against Yaldabaoth due to the latter's influence erasing the Thieves from existence. Or so it seems; that explanation is perfectly feasible, yes, but it's quite possible that the actual reason they gained the ability is the actualization beginning. Which one it is, only the sequel can tell.
- Tempting Fate: In Chapter 31, after failing to save Okumura, explaining everything about the Phantom Thieves to his ghost and Sojiro, learning that Kobayakawa got a forged calling card, and having to pretend to be gay with Ryuji to prevent Sae from murdering him for dating Makoto, Ren wonders if things could get any worse. Cut back to Leblanc where Ren's parents are calling.
- The Reveal: Ren finally tells his team his secret in Chapter 15, after Wakaba's ghost proves it in Futaba's Palace.
- This Is Gonna Suck: His reaction whenever he has no choice but to tell someone about his powers. He quotes the trope name verbatim when he tries, not really believing he'll succeed, to help Taiki Takase and his parents get closure with Kawakami without revealing his secret.
- This Is Unforgivable!: Morgana's reaction near the end of Chapter 24 after the phone call from Ren's parents, tying in with Unstoppable Rage below.
- Tranquil Fury:
- Surrounded by his berserk teammates, Ren remains coldly calm before and especially after stealing his parents' hearts due to learning that they had always known he could see ghosts and tried to stamp it out of him through abuse.
- Also happens when he speaks to the Takases, having been made aware of what they were doing to Kawakami and had done to Taiki.
- Unstoppable Rage: The general sentiment of the Phantom Thieves towards Ren's parents, who abused and gaslit him regarding his ability to see ghosts, especially after they call in Chapter 24 and reaffirm the treatment. Morgana, the only one who hears it, goes berserk as soon as the call ends, and the sentiment spreads to Futaba, Sojiro, and the rest of the Thieves when they hear it.
- Kawakami feels the same way when Ren tells her about it.
- Villain Has a Point: When Akechi says that Yaldabaoth ruined his life for the sake of "a fucking game", Yaldabaoth replies, "You ruined yourself; I merely gave you the tools."
- Wham Episode:
- Chapter 29 - Despite their best efforts to prevent it and being forewarned, the Thieves are unable to prevent Akechi from killing Kunikazu Okumura after his Shadow dies Taking the Bullet for Haru.
- Chapter 42 - While it's incredibly close, the Thieves manage to save Akechi's life - and accidentally give him the ability to see ghosts like Ren.
- In Chapter 50, after defeating Yaldabaoth, the rest of the Thieves all gain the ability to see ghosts, and without any previous indication of Royal content in the fanfic, the Third Semester begins, and at the end of the chapter, Yoshizawa (who has gone explicitly unnamed, leaving her identity unclear) has shown up.
- Xanatos Gambit: The Thieves' answer to the Morton's Fork above: ready themselves in the Palace and publicize a calling card that tells of their knowledge of the assassin. They'll change Okumura's heart either way; if they save him, perfect. If not, at least they diffuse the attempt to frame them, and Okumura's ghost will give them more knowledge of Shido and his conspirators.
BEWARE OF UNMARKED SPOILERS PAST THIS POINT, BOTH FOR THE ABOVE FIC AND THE SOURCE MATERIAL!
Tropes in We See Them include:
- Ascended Extra: Kasumi's ghost becomes as much a friend of Ren's as Sumire, even before she Awakens to her own Persona.
- Broken Masquerade: Before it can truly set in, the revelation that a Palace is still active snaps the Thieves and their ghost relatives out of the actualization.
- Cliffhanger: Chapter 8 ends with Sumire accidentally entering Maruki's Palace...where Kasumi is completely visible, freaking Sumire out and sending her running into the Palace.
- Explain, Explain... Oh, Crap!: In a Played for Laughs example, Kasumi Yoshizawa threatens to tell on Ren if he doesn't stop what he's planning to do to Kamoshida... a pity that she's dead and can only tell other ghosts.If you don't stop, I'll tell...
...you win this round, Ren Amamiya...
- Freak Out: In Chapter 7, Ren finally admits the truth to Sumire. She denies it, calls him crazy, runs away, and redoubles on her training and studies to avoid thinking about what she already knows is true.
- Get a Hold of Yourself, Man!: In Chapter 9, the twins accidentally find their way into Maruki's Palace, where Sumire can actually see her. Kasumi tries and fails to convince her of the truth...and after one denial too many, she snaps.Kasumi: I cant do this! I cant watch you live a lie! Amamiya-senpai was telling the truthI begged him to come clean, and now I regret putting him through how you reacted! Im a ghost, Sumire! Im dead! DEAD! Kasumi Yoshizawa is dead, but Sumire Yoshizawa lives, and she has to carry on our dream, no matter what anyone says! (slaps Sumire's cheeks) Get it through your head! I—Kasumi—am DEAD, and Sumire is ALIVE! You have to snap out of this! YOU ARE SUMIRE YOSHIZAWA!
- Guardian Angel: Amitiel, the angel of truth, Kasumi's Persona.
- How We Got Here: The first several chapters cover Joker's interaction with the Yoshizawa twins that occurred offscreen during the main story.
- Immune to Mind Control: Averted - it turns out that, unlike it was with Yaldabaoth, the current Palace ruler can affect ghosts and Persona-users mentally, though certain ghosts seem immune (namely Ayumu and the real Kasumi). However, it isn't full-blown Mind Control like Yaldabaoth's - it appears, at first glance, to be a strong suggestion/More Than Mind Control. Later revealed to be because Maruki found out about the existence of ghosts thanks to Ren's ability to see them.
- I See Dead People: Thanks to the events in the previous story, it now applies to all of the Phantom Thieves.
- Jump Scare: On the Hawaii trip, while Ren is browsing the gift shop, Sumire sneaks up behind him and then shouts. He saw her coming, so hes about to feign being frightened...and then Kasumis ghost pops up out of nowhere and yells "BOO!" Ren yelps "embarrassingly loudly" and the Yoshizawas are both left in hysterics.
- Knight Templar Big Brother: Kasumi's death made her even more overprotective of Sumire and outright paranoid, initially being hostile to Ren out of fear of confronting Sumire with her False Memories of being Kasumi, and hating Dr. Maruki even after the Time Skip. Taken to the logical extreme when she Awakens in Maruki's Palace, making her a guardian knight with a guardian angel as a Persona.
- My God, You Are Serious: Overlapping with Serious Business below, when Ren first tells Yoshizawa that he sometimes eats snik-snak bars without breaking them in half first, she laughs it off. Later, after they form the Confidant link, Yoshizawa asks if he meant it and briefly but seriously reconsiders whether or not they can be friends.
- Oh, Crap!:
- Everyone's reaction to realizing that the Metaverse still exists - and that whoever's in charge of it can affect Persona-users and ghosts.
- Dr. Maruki's reaction after he eavesdrops on Ren and Kasumi's conversation in Chapter 3, subsequently learning of Ren's ability to see ghosts and that Kasumi knows what Maruki did to her sister and is furious about it, which Ren now knows as well.
- Properly Paranoid: In Chapter 7, after Maruki visits, Sojiro is suspicious of him, not only because of his acute interest in cognitive psience but also because he seems to indicate that he knows that Ren can see ghosts. Wakaba dismisses his worries...but we all know that Sojiro is completely correct.
- Secret Keeper: As in the game, Morgana is the only one to know about Ren's interactions with Sumire. In this fic, he's also the only one to know about his interactions with Kasumi's ghost.
- Secret Secret-Keeper: Maruki learns about Ren's I See Dead People ability because he accidentally overheard him talking to Kasumi (Ren had forgotten his second-year pin and he was going to return it before overhearing the conversation).
- Serious Business: In Chapter 4, Ren admits that he sometimes eats Kit-Katsorry, snik-snak bars without breaking them in half first. All of the other Thieves are legitimately disturbed.Futaba: (swats his arm) You monster! Heathen! Demon! Suffer!
Ryuji: Dude, what the actual eff is wrong with you?!
Akechi: And I thought I was a sick bastard.
Ren: It's just candy! I don't do it all the time, even! Why do you guys care so much?!
Sumire: Because it's unnatural and evil! Forget ghost seeing, this is the most shocking part of your identity!
Yusuke: How shameful.
(everyone agrees, including Makoto)
Makoto: It's okay, I love you in spite of that. Though it is pretty disturbing...
- Sinister Scythe: Kasumi's Weapon of Choice in the Metaverse.
- Something Only They Would Say: As before, this is the key to making people believe in his ability; at the end of Chapter 5, Ren says "Sometimes you just have to get back up in the saddle" to the brainwashed Sumire at Kasumi's direction. The actualization doesn't break... but it definitely cracks. And in the following chapter, he does it repeatedly to keep damaging the actualization.
- This Is Unforgivable!: The ghost of the real Kasumi absolutely despises Dr. Maruki for his Brainwashing for the Greater Good act on Sumire. Ironically, both here and in the original game, Sumire doesn't have any resentment towards him (since he arguably prevented her from being Driven to Suicide out of despair).