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''As Old As Time'' is a [[AlternateUniverseFic No-Ultimates]] ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' CosmicHorrorStory fanfic where Kyoko and Makoto are ordinary detectives. While heavily inspired by the ''Franchise/CthulhuMythos'' it is not a direct crossover.
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''As Old As Time'' is a [[AlternateUniverseFic No-Ultimates]] ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' ''Franchise/{{Danganronpa}}'' CosmicHorrorStory fanfic where Kyoko and Makoto are ordinary detectives. While heavily inspired by the ''Franchise/CthulhuMythos'' it is not a direct crossover.
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** Canonically, Kyoko is known for pulling some ''interesting'' moves during her investigations. ([[VisualNovel/DanganronpaTriggerHappyHavoc Sending Makoto into a secret room to see if he gets attacked]], [[Anime/Danganronpa3 tasting a corpse's saliva]], etc.) Given the revered status of Ultimates in canon, she's rarely questioned about it. Here though she gets called out much more often on her reckless and occasionally callous tactics and many characters think she's a bit touched in the head.
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** Canonically, Kyoko is known for pulling some ''interesting'' moves during her investigations. ([[VisualNovel/DanganronpaTriggerHappyHavoc Sending Makoto into a secret room to see if he gets attacked]], [[Anime/Danganronpa3 [[Anime/Danganronpa3TheEndOfHopesPeakHighSchool tasting a corpse's saliva]], etc.) Given the revered status of Ultimates in canon, she's rarely questioned about it. Here though she gets called out much more often on her reckless and occasionally callous tactics tactics, and many characters think she's a bit touched in the head.
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* DeathByCameo: The body found at Hope's Peak is revealed to be [[spoiler:[[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 Chiaki Nanami.]]]]
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* DeathByCameo: The body found at Hope's Peak is revealed to be [[spoiler:[[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 [[spoiler:[[VisualNovel/Danganronpa2GoodbyeDespair Chiaki Nanami.]]]]
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''As Old As Time'' is a [[AlternateUniverseFic No-Ultimates]] ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CosmicHorrorStory Eldritch Horror]] fanfic where Kyoko and Makoto are ordinary detectives. While heavily inspired by the ''Franchise/CthulhuMythos'' it is not a direct crossover.
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''As Old As Time'' is a [[AlternateUniverseFic No-Ultimates]] ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CosmicHorrorStory Eldritch Horror]] CosmicHorrorStory fanfic where Kyoko and Makoto are ordinary detectives. While heavily inspired by the ''Franchise/CthulhuMythos'' it is not a direct crossover.
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''As Old As Time'' is a [[AlternateUniverseFic No-Ultimates]] ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' EldritchHorror fanfic where Kyoko and Makoto are ordinary (albeit, extremely talented in Kyoko's case) detectives. While heavily inspired by the ''Franchise/CthulhuMythos'' it does not appear to be a direct crossover.
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''As Old As Time'' is a [[AlternateUniverseFic No-Ultimates]] ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' EldritchHorror [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CosmicHorrorStory Eldritch Horror]] fanfic where Kyoko and Makoto are ordinary (albeit, extremely talented in Kyoko's case) detectives. While heavily inspired by the ''Franchise/CthulhuMythos'' it does is not appear to be a direct crossover.
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** [[spoiler:Ohori Naegi isn't actually Makoto's father. Makoto is the son of a Deep One.]]
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** [[spoiler:Ohori Naegi isn't actually Makoto's father. Makoto is the son of a Deep One.an Elder.]]
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* BenevolentAbomination: Angie describes Atua this way, claiming he has created a sancutuary for some remnant of humanity to continue to exist after [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the rest of his kin return.]]
* BizarreAlienReproduction: [[spoiler:While humans and Eldritchs can reproduce there is no such thing as a true human-Deep One hybrid. Instead, the child is one or the other. In the case of a Deep One, the child is usually born as a full human and spends the next 25 years 'incubating' before hatching out of their human form and becoming a true, full-blooded Deep One.]]
* BizarreAlienReproduction: [[spoiler:While humans and Eldritchs can reproduce there is no such thing as a true human-Deep One hybrid. Instead, the child is one or the other. In the case of a Deep One, the child is usually born as a full human and spends the next 25 years 'incubating' before hatching out of their human form and becoming a true, full-blooded Deep One.]]
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* BenevolentAbomination: Angie describes Atua this way, claiming he has created a sancutuary sanctuary for some remnant of humanity to continue to exist after [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the rest of his kin return.]]
* BizarreAlienReproduction: [[spoiler:While humans andEldritchs Deep Ones can reproduce there is no such thing as a true human-Deep One hybrid. Instead, the child is one or the other. In the case of a Deep One, the child is usually born as a full human and spends the next 25 years 'incubating' before hatching out of their human form and becoming a true, full-blooded Deep One.]]
* BizarreAlienReproduction: [[spoiler:While humans and
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* ChewingTheScenery: Gundham Tanaka is constantly shouting and making dire declarations. He even introduces himself in all caps.
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* ChewingTheScenery: Gundham Tanaka is constantly shouting and making dire declarations. He even introduces himself [[NoIndoorVoice in all caps.]]
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* CrazyHomelessPeople: Averted. Yasuhiro Hagakure is a conspiracy theorist but he's a genuine medium and [[spoiler:the only person outside Hope's Peak who knows what Chiaki Nanami was doing there.]]
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* CowboyCop: Kyoko doesn't think twice about taking some less than legal actions during her investigation and her dialogue with Makoto make it clear this is a pattern. In a rarity for this trope, Kyoko's ability to get away with this behaviour is actually justified. [[spoiler:[[DealWithTheDevil She's being protected by a Deep One.]]]]
* CrazyHomelessPeople: Averted. Yasuhiro Hagakure is a conspiracy theorist but he's a genuine medium and [[spoiler:the only person outside Hope's Peak who knows what ChiakiNanami was doing there.]]
* CrazyHomelessPeople: Averted. Yasuhiro Hagakure is a conspiracy theorist but he's a genuine medium and [[spoiler:the only person outside Hope's Peak who knows what Chiaki
* DaChief: Byakuya Togami appears as the police chief.
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* EldritchLocation: The church and [[spoiler:the cave network underneath.]]
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* EldritchLocation: The church and [[spoiler:the the cave network underneath.]]
** Within Hope's Peak, Korekiyo and Angie rarely interact with anyone besides each other, hinting at their real relationship.
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* GreatDetective: Kyoko. It's mentioned the Kirigiris are considered the last ones in the world.
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* GenreBlind: Kyoko act like she's in a regular mystery novel and not an ''Eldritch'' mystery. In-story, this is justified as [[spoiler:Kyoko being directly influenced by the Deep Ones into making certain decision.]]
* GreatDetective: Kyoko. It's mentioned the Kirigiris areconsidered the last ones in the world.
* GreatDetective: Kyoko. It's mentioned the Kirigiris are
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* MistakenForInsane: While justified, Kyoko's hated of Hope's Peak and insistence they [[spoiler:abducted Makoto]] is so extreme she's committed to an asylum.
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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: Kyoko starts getting called out on strange behaviour as she gets more absorbed with the case. Even Kyoko herself questions her actions at some point.
* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: According to Angie, Atua slaughtered her entire tribe in revenge for her murder.
* SealedEvilInACan: The Elders.
** Izuru has a [[spoiler:deadlight, a feature of [[Literature/{{IT}} a famous Eldritch monster.]]]]
* TakenOffTheCase: Kyoko is thrown off the Hope's Peak case twice. The first time involuntarily, the second time by her own request.
* TakenOffTheCase: Kyoko is thrown off the Hope's Peak case twice. The first time involuntarily, the second time by her own request.
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* TruthInTelevision: Both Kyoko and ''[[FriendToAllLivingThings Makoto]]'' have no problem with making jokes around and about bodies. Crime scene investigators do this in real life both as a coping mechanism and because they're desensitized to corpses.
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* TruthInTelevision: Both Kyoko and ''[[FriendToAllLivingThings Makoto]]'' have no problem with making jokes around and about bodies. Crime scene investigators do this in real life both as a coping mechanism and because they're desensitized to corpses.
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* WhamEpisode: Chapter 39. Kyoko was right that [[spoiler:she was in the caves for two days, meaning Makoto either lied to her or (later confirmed) [[NothingIsScarier something also happened to him while she was down there.]]]] Her conversation with Angie also confirms [[spoiler:Kyoko has periodically [[DemonicPossession been controlled by a Deep One.]]]] She also states Kyoko belongs to the Elders although doesn't elaborate what that means. And finally, [[spoiler:Fuhito]] admits he's known about Hope's Peak this entire time.
** Chapter 42. Kyoko learns what really happened between her father and grandfather, how her hands got burnt, what happened between [[OffingTheOffSpring Makoto and his father]] ''and'' that [[spoiler:Nagito has been watching and directly intervening in Makoto's life since he was a young child.]] This is also the chapter Kyoko fully accepts at least some at Hope's Peak are not human.
** Chapter 42. Kyoko learns what really happened between her father and grandfather, how her hands got burnt, what happened between [[OffingTheOffSpring Makoto and his father]] ''and'' that [[spoiler:Nagito has been watching and directly intervening in Makoto's life since he was a young child.]] This is also the chapter Kyoko fully accepts at least some at Hope's Peak are not human.
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* BizarreAlienReproduction: [[spoiler:While humans and Eldritchs can reproduce there is no such thing as a true human-Eldritch hybrid. Instead, the child is one or the other. In the case of an Eldritch, the child is usually born as a full human and spends the next 25 years 'incubating' before hatching out of their human form and becoming a true, full-blooded Eldritch.]]
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* BizarreAlienReproduction: [[spoiler:While humans and Eldritchs can reproduce there is no such thing as a true human-Eldritch human-Deep One hybrid. Instead, the child is one or the other. In the case of an Eldritch, a Deep One, the child is usually born as a full human and spends the next 25 years 'incubating' before hatching out of their human form and becoming a true, full-blooded Eldritch.Deep One.]]
** The true forms of Deep Ones. Angie claims seeing Atua's true form would make her brain explode and [[spoiler:Makoto needs a hospital trip after seeing one.]]
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** Gundham Tanaka knows exactly what Hope's Peak is up to and is doing his damndest to stop them.
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** Also averted with Gundham Tanaka Tanaka. While he acts crazy and is difficult to understand, he knows exactly what Hope's Peak is up to and is doing his damndest to stop them.
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* DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou: [[spoiler:Fuhito threatened to kill Jin if he didn't leave Kyoko to him. Jin still wasn't swayed until he realized Fuhito had Eldritch backing ''and'' he [[MindControl forced Kyoko to burn her own hands.]]]]
** Mukuro's mother abandoned her at the hospital as a newborn but took Junko with her. [[spoiler:It's strongly implied this is because Junko was already an Eldritch. Given that true Eldritch forms tend to be a BrownNote, this likely saved Mukuro's life.]]
** Mukuro's mother abandoned her at the hospital as a newborn but took Junko with her. [[spoiler:It's strongly implied this is because Junko was already an Eldritch. Given that true Eldritch forms tend to be a BrownNote, this likely saved Mukuro's life.]]
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* DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou: [[spoiler:Fuhito threatened to kill Jin if he didn't leave Kyoko to him. Jin still wasn't swayed until he realized Fuhito had Eldritch Deep One backing ''and'' he [[MindControl forced Kyoko to burn her own hands.]]]]
** Mukuro's mother abandoned her at the hospital as a newborn but took Junko with her. [[spoiler:It's strongly implied this is because Junkowas had already an Eldritch. turned into a Deep One. Given that a Deep One's true Eldritch forms form tend to be a BrownNote, this likely saved Mukuro's life.]]
** Mukuro's mother abandoned her at the hospital as a newborn but took Junko with her. [[spoiler:It's strongly implied this is because Junko
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* DemonicPossession: Eldritchs can directly control their favoured servants. While Angie only alludes to this with her and Atua, we see it in-story with [[spoiler:Junko and Mukuro]] and [[spoiler:Nagito and Kyoko.]]
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* DemonicPossession: Eldritchs Deep Ones can directly control their favoured servants. While Angie only alludes to this with her and Atua, we see it in-story with [[spoiler:Junko and Mukuro]] and [[spoiler:Nagito and Kyoko.]]
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* ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: The Elders are exactly that: elder individuals of the Eldritch species. More specifically, [[spoiler: Nagito and his ancestors.]]
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* ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: The Elders are exactly that: elder individuals of the Eldritch species.Deep Ones. More specifically, [[spoiler: Nagito and his ancestors.]]
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** Mukuro Ikusaba was abandoned as a baby at the hospital after [[spoiler:her mother realized Junko had been born as a [[ItMakesSenseInContext Eldritch instead of a human.]]]] She then lived peacefully with just her father for several years until [[spoiler:Junko tracked her down and had her kidnapped. She spent the rest of her childhood growing up in a cult that worshiped her sister and genuinely did not know how to raise a human child.]]
** It's clear Makoto is encountering his own share of supernatural happenings throughout the story, but since it's only from Kyoko's POV we never learn what they are.
** It's clear Makoto is encountering his own share of supernatural happenings throughout the story, but since it's only from Kyoko's POV we never learn what they are.
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** Mukuro Ikusaba was abandoned as a baby at the hospital after [[spoiler:her mother realized Junko had been born as a [[ItMakesSenseInContext Eldritch Deep One instead of a human.]]]] She then lived peacefully with just her father for several years until [[spoiler:Junko tracked her down and had her kidnapped. She spent the rest of her childhood growing up in a cult that worshiped her sister and genuinely did not know how to raise a human child.]]
** It's clear Makoto is encountering his own share ofsupernatural Eldritch happenings throughout the story, but since it's only from Kyoko's POV we never learn what they are.
** It's clear Makoto is encountering his own share of
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* PrefersRawMeat: Eldritchs.
* ReligionOfEvil: Hope's Peak's clergy is working to [[spoiler:release the seal on the Deep Ones. Justified as the Deep Ones are their parents/grandparents.]]
* ReligionOfEvil: Hope's Peak's clergy is working to [[spoiler:release the seal on the Deep Ones. Justified as the Deep Ones are their parents/grandparents.]]
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* PrefersRawMeat: Eldritchs.
Deep Ones.
* ReligionOfEvil: Hope's Peak's clergy is working to [[spoiler:release the seal on theDeep Ones. Elders. Justified as the Deep Ones Elders are their parents/grandparents.]]
* ReligionOfEvil: Hope's Peak's clergy is working to [[spoiler:release the seal on the
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* UndyingLoyalty: It's very clear Makoto doesn't want to be anywhere near this case, but he's unwilling to leave Kyoko to deal with it alone. [[spoiler:He still sides with her even as an Eldritch.]]
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* UndyingLoyalty: It's very clear Makoto doesn't want to be anywhere near this case, but he's unwilling to leave Kyoko to deal with it alone. [[spoiler:He still sides with her even as an Eldritch.a Deep One.]]
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* KillEmAll: Angie claims Atua took great offense when she was murdered by her tribe's priests and slaughtered the entire tribe in retaliation.
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* GeniusBonus: Those familiar with the Lovecraft universe will recognize the sigil drawn on Kyoko and Makoto's door and Chiaki's body as the [[spoiler:Eldritch-repelling Elder Sign, early proof that Kyoko is wrong and they weren't put there by Hope's Peak.]]
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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:Kyoko's possessiveness towards Makoto.]]
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* AbusiveParents: Fuhito to Jin. [[spoiler:Kyoko eventually learns Fuhito was this to her too.]]
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* AbusiveParents: Fuhito to Jin. [[spoiler:Kyoko eventually learns Fuhito was this to her too.]]
** [[spoiler:Nagito has been involved in both Kyoko and Makoto's life ever since they were young children.]]
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** [[spoiler:Makoto is the son of a Deep One.]]
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** [[spoiler:Makoto [[spoiler:Ohori Naegi isn't actually Makoto's father. Makoto is the son of a Deep One.]]
* TheBait: A villainous example. The motive for the murder turns out to be [[spoiler:luring Kyoko and more importantly, Makoto, into Hope's Peak.]]
* TheBait: A villainous example. The motive for the murder turns out to be [[spoiler:luring Kyoko and more importantly, Makoto, into Hope's Peak.]]
* BenevolentAbomination: Angie describes Atua this way, claiming he has created a sancutuary for some remnant of humanity to continue to exist after [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the rest of his kin return.]]
* ChewingTheScenery: Gundham Tanaka is constantly shouting and making dire declarations. He even introduces himself in all caps.
* CombatPragmatist: Kyoko. At one point, she lobs a kettle full of ''boiling water'' at someone.
* CombatPragmatist: Kyoko. At one point, she lobs a kettle full of ''boiling water'' at someone.
** Gundham Tanaka knows exactly what Hope's Peak is up to and is doing his damndest to stop them.
* DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou: [[spoiler:Fuhito threatened to kill Jin if he didn't leave Kyoko to him. Jin still wasn't swayed until he realized Fuhito had Eldritch backing ''and'' he [[MindControl forced Kyoko to burn her own hands.]]]]
** Mukuro's mother abandoned her at the hospital as a newborn but took Junko with her. [[spoiler:It's strongly implied this is because Junko was already an Eldritch. Given that true Eldritch forms tend to be a BrownNote, this likely saved Mukuro's life.]]
** Mukuro's mother abandoned her at the hospital as a newborn but took Junko with her. [[spoiler:It's strongly implied this is because Junko was already an Eldritch. Given that true Eldritch forms tend to be a BrownNote, this likely saved Mukuro's life.]]
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** Canonically, Kyoko is known for pulling some ''interesting'' moves during her investigations. ([[VisualNovel/DanganronpaTriggerHappyHavoc Sending Makoto into a secret room to see if he gets attacked]], [[Anime/Danganronpa3 tasting a corpse's saliva]], etc.) Given the revered status of Ultimates in canon, she's rarely questioned about it. Here though she gets called out much more often on her reckless and occasionally callous tactics.
** The Kirigiri clan itself is deconstructed with Nagito explicitly pointing out that modern-day evidence standards and protocols are so high that being a professional solo detective isn't really feasible. The only reason the Kirigiri clan has survived is [[spoiler:they've made a pact with an Eldritch being.]]
** The Kirigiri clan itself is deconstructed with Nagito explicitly pointing out that modern-day evidence standards and protocols are so high that being a professional solo detective isn't really feasible. The only reason the Kirigiri clan has survived is [[spoiler:they've made a pact with an Eldritch being.]]
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** Canonically, Kyoko is known for pulling some ''interesting'' moves during her investigations. ([[VisualNovel/DanganronpaTriggerHappyHavoc Sending Makoto into a secret room to see if he gets attacked]], [[Anime/Danganronpa3 tasting a corpse's saliva]], etc.) Given the revered status of Ultimates in canon, she's rarely questioned about it. Here though she gets called out much more often on her reckless and occasionally callous tactics.
tactics and many characters think she's a bit touched in the head.
** The Kirigiri clan itself is deconstructed with Nagitoexplicitly pointing out that modern-day evidence standards and protocols are so high that being a famous, professional solo detective isn't really feasible. The only reason the Kirigiri clan has survived is [[spoiler:they've made a pact with an Eldritch being.a Deep One.]]
** The Kirigiri clan itself is deconstructed with Nagito
* ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: The Elders are exactly that: elder individuals of the Eldritch species. More specifically, [[spoiler: Nagito and his ancestors.]]
* FatalFlaw: Kyoko's pride and tenacity. Despite her friends begging her to stop, Kyoko ''will not let go'' of the case. She even prioritizes it over Makoto for a while. Eventually, she wakes up after realizing she's being set up and her recklessness gets her and Makoto [[NiceJobBreakingItHero trapped at Hope's Peak during a storm]].
* FlatWhat: Kyoko's response to being told by the mechanic that she she picked up their broken-down car the day before.
* GeniusBonus: Those familiar with the Lovecraft universe will recognize the sigil drawn on Kyoko and Makoto's door and Chiaki's body as the [[spoiler:Eldritch-repelling Elder Sign, early proof that Kyoko is wrong and they weren't put there by Hope's Peak.]]
* GeniusBonus: Those familiar with the Lovecraft universe will recognize the sigil drawn on Kyoko and Makoto's door and Chiaki's body as the [[spoiler:Eldritch-repelling Elder Sign, early proof that Kyoko is wrong and they weren't put there by Hope's Peak.]]
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* HappilyMarried: While not actually married, Kyoko and Makoto give strong vibes of this at the beginning.
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* GreenEyedMonster: Played with. Kyoko is very territorial over Makoto and gets jealous easily, but she's not the least bit afraid of losing him.
* HappilyMarried: While not actually married, Kyoko and Makoto give strong vibes ofthis at the beginning.this.
* HappilyMarried: While not actually married, Kyoko and Makoto give strong vibes of
* HatesTheirParent: Kyoko is extremely resentful of her father for abandoning her as a child. She does seem to make up with him by the end.
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** Shuichi Saihara was tapped to investigate the deaths of Angie's tribe. Whatever happened on that island was so terrifying it not only left him terrified of Hope's Peak, ''every single person involved in the investigation'' agreed to keep it under wraps.
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** Shuichi Saihara was tapped to investigate the deaths of Angie's tribe. Whatever happened on that island during the investigation was so terrifying it not only left him terrified of Hope's Peak, ''every single person involved in the investigation'' agreed to keep it under wraps.
** It's clear Makoto is encountering his own share of supernatural happenings throughout the story, but since it's only from Kyoko's POV we never learn what they are.
* IHaveManyNames: Gundham Tanaka (though it's unknown if he's telling the truth) and [[spoiler:Atua]] claim this.
* IHaveNoSon: Like canon, Fuhito disowned Jin when he refused to become a detective.
* IHaveNoSon: Like canon, Fuhito disowned Jin when he refused to become a detective.
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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: It's never clarified whether Gundham is a human wizard or something entirely inhuman. Likewise, it's unclear whether the Devas of Destruction are ordinary hamsters that Gundham painted runes on or something else.
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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: It's never clarified whether Gundham is a human wizard with magical powers or something entirely inhuman. Likewise, it's unclear whether the Devas of Destruction are ordinary hamsters that Gundham painted runes on or something else.
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* ObfuscatingInsanity: While many of Gundam's lines [[RewatchBonus actually do make sense]], it's also implied he does this as a defense against uncomfortable situations.
* OffingTheOffspring: [[spoiler:When he was a child, Makoto's father tried to kill him.]]
* OffingTheOffspring: [[spoiler:When he was a child, Makoto's father tried to kill him.]]
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* NothingIsScarier: Shuichi refuses to explain what happened on Angie's island.
** We never fully find out what happened to [[spoiler:Makoto]] while [[spoiler:Kyoko was lost in the caves or what the 'hatching' process looks like.]]
** [[spoiler: Gundham Tanaka's fate is unrevealed]] although it's clear he's dead.
* ObfuscatingInsanity: While many ofGundam's Gundham's lines [[RewatchBonus actually do make sense]], it's also implied he does this as a defense against uncomfortable situations.
* OffingTheOffspring:[[spoiler:When he was a child, Makoto's father [[spoiler:Ohori Naegi tried to kill him.]]Makoto after realizing [[NotActuallyHisChild Makoto wasn't really human.]]]]
** We never fully find out what happened to [[spoiler:Makoto]] while [[spoiler:Kyoko was lost in the caves or what the 'hatching' process looks like.]]
** [[spoiler: Gundham Tanaka's fate is unrevealed]] although it's clear he's dead.
* ObfuscatingInsanity: While many of
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** Makoto becomes this for him and Kyoko to the point where [[spoiler:he goes behind her back and begs Byakuya to take them off the case.]]
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** Makoto becomes this for him and Kyoko as she becomes more unhinged, to the point where [[spoiler:he goes behind her back and begs Byakuya to take them off the case.]]]]
** The police chief, Byakuya Togami, generally makes good decisions and agrees with Makoto they need to stop the investigation. However, he's unaware of the scale of what they're up against and it's too little, too late.
* PapaWolf: Korekiyo only breaks character when Kyoko threatens [[spoiler:to kill Angie.]]
** [[spoiler:Nagito literally ''eats'' Ohori Naegi after he tried to kill Makoto. He also becomes murderous toward Kyoko after she attacks Izuru and Junko, although he calms down before he kills her.]]
* PrayerIsALastResort: Of all people, [[spoiler:Kyoko]] directly prays to the Deep One when [[spoiler:Gundham is about to kill Makoto.]]
* PrefersRawMeat: Eldritchs.
* ReligionOfEvil: Hope's Peak's clergy is working to [[spoiler:release the seal on the Deep Ones. Justified as the Deep Ones are their parents/grandparents.]]
* RewatchBonus: The story is chock-full of hidden meanings and details that are only noticeable on a reread.
* RunningGag: Every time Makoto tries to make a move on Kyoko, something ruins the moment.
** The police chief, Byakuya Togami, generally makes good decisions and agrees with Makoto they need to stop the investigation. However, he's unaware of the scale of what they're up against and it's too little, too late.
* PapaWolf: Korekiyo only breaks character when Kyoko threatens [[spoiler:to kill Angie.]]
** [[spoiler:Nagito literally ''eats'' Ohori Naegi after he tried to kill Makoto. He also becomes murderous toward Kyoko after she attacks Izuru and Junko, although he calms down before he kills her.]]
* PrayerIsALastResort: Of all people, [[spoiler:Kyoko]] directly prays to the Deep One when [[spoiler:Gundham is about to kill Makoto.]]
* PrefersRawMeat: Eldritchs.
* ReligionOfEvil: Hope's Peak's clergy is working to [[spoiler:release the seal on the Deep Ones. Justified as the Deep Ones are their parents/grandparents.]]
* RewatchBonus: The story is chock-full of hidden meanings and details that are only noticeable on a reread.
* RunningGag: Every time Makoto tries to make a move on Kyoko, something ruins the moment.
** [[spoiler:Mondo Owada]] becomes obsessed with Hope's Peak's scripture and goes insane.
* ScrewThisImOutOfHere: Kyoko eventually ''tries'' to do this. She gives up the case and tells Byakuya they need to stop all investigation into it. Hope's Peak isn't so willing to let her go, however.
* ScrewThisImOutOfHere: Kyoko eventually ''tries'' to do this. She gives up the case and tells Byakuya they need to stop all investigation into it. Hope's Peak isn't so willing to let her go, however.
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* PrayerIsALastResort: Of all people, [[spoiler:''Kyoko'']] directly prays to the Eldritchs when [[spoiler:Gundam is about to kill Makoto.]]
* PrefersRawMeat: Eldritchs.
* ReligionOfEvil: Hope's Peak's clergy is working to [[spoiler:release the seal on the Deep Ones. Justified as the Deep Ones are their parents/grandparents.]]
* RewatchBonus: The story is chock-full of hidden meanings and details that are only noticeable on a reread.
* PrefersRawMeat: Eldritchs.
* ReligionOfEvil: Hope's Peak's clergy is working to [[spoiler:release the seal on the Deep Ones. Justified as the Deep Ones are their parents/grandparents.]]
* RewatchBonus: The story is chock-full of hidden meanings and details that are only noticeable on a reread.
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* WellIntentionedExtremist: [[spoiler:Gundam has a good reason for trying to kill Makoto.]]
* YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm: The Eldritchs in general. Gundam also claims this, but it's unsure whether he's telling the truth.
* YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness: [[spoiler:Mukuro.]] However, it's subverted with the explanation that it's the first step in an Eldritch ritual to make humans less fragile.
* YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm: The Eldritchs in general. Gundam also claims this, but it's unsure whether he's telling the truth.
* YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness: [[spoiler:Mukuro.]] However, it's subverted with the explanation that it's the first step in an Eldritch ritual to make humans less fragile.
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* ViolentlyProtectiveGirlfriend: Touch Makoto and Kyoko ''will'' hurt you.
* WellIntentionedExtremist:[[spoiler:Gundam [[spoiler:Gundham has a good reason for trying to kill Makoto.]]
** Fuhito [[spoiler:has been working with the Deep Ones and manipulating Kyoko for most of her life. It's implied he knows [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Hope's Peak is close to succeeding]] and sees this as the only way to protect her.]]
* WhiteAndGreyMorality: Those against Hope's Peak are trying to prevent TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. From Hope Peak's side, [[spoiler:it's a group of children/grandchildren trying to free their parents/grandparents and making sure their weakened and famished relatives will have [[ImAHumanitarian plenty of food available when they escape.]]]]
* WouldNotShootACivilian: Gundham does his best to [[spoiler:incapacitate Kyoko without seriously harming her while he's trying to kill Makoto.]]
* YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm: TheEldritchs Deep Ones in general. Gundam Gundham also claims this, but it's unsure whether he's telling the truth.
* YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness: [[spoiler:Mukuro.]]However, it's It's subverted with the explanation that it's the first step in an Eldritch ritual to make humans less fragile.
* WellIntentionedExtremist:
** Fuhito [[spoiler:has been working with the Deep Ones and manipulating Kyoko for most of her life. It's implied he knows [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Hope's Peak is close to succeeding]] and sees this as the only way to protect her.]]
* WhiteAndGreyMorality: Those against Hope's Peak are trying to prevent TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. From Hope Peak's side, [[spoiler:it's a group of children/grandchildren trying to free their parents/grandparents and making sure their weakened and famished relatives will have [[ImAHumanitarian plenty of food available when they escape.]]]]
* WouldNotShootACivilian: Gundham does his best to [[spoiler:incapacitate Kyoko without seriously harming her while he's trying to kill Makoto.]]
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A body has been discovered at the secretive Hope's Peak Church run by Nagito Komaeda. As the best detective duo in the country, Kyoko Kirigiri and Makoto Naegi have been assigned to the case. Kyoko is thrilled - she's had her eye on the suspicious church for years. But the more they dig into the investigation, the odder everything becomes. Strange things keep happening. People keep getting hurt. Nagito knows way too much about her and Makoto and things are just ''wrong''.
But the Kirigiri clan isn't known for giving up. Kyoko is going to get to the bottom of this no matter what it takes.
''As Old As Time'' is a [[AlternateUniverseFic No-Ultimates]] ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' EldritchHorror fanfic where Kyoko and Makoto are ordinary (albeit, extremely talented in Kyoko's case) detectives. While heavily inspired by the ''Franchise/CthulhuMythos'' it does not appear to be a direct crossover.
Can be read [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/12331014/chapters/28038831 here]].
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!! ''As Old As Time'' contains examples of:
*AbusiveParents: Fuhito to Jin. [[spoiler:Kyoko eventually learns Fuhito was this to her too.]]
*ApocalypseCult: Hope's Peak.
*AwfulTruth: [[spoiler:With the exception of Jin Kirigiri, the Kirigiri clan are secretly servants of the Deep Ones.]]
**[[spoiler:Jin never wanted to abandon Kyoko. Her grandfather and Nagito forced him to.]]
**Makoto's father didn't randomly disappear. [[spoiler:He fled after attempting to murder Makoto and was killed by Nagito.]]
**[[spoiler:Makoto is the son of a Deep One.]]
*BatmanGrabsAGun: [[spoiler:Makoto tries to shoot Nagito.]]
*BrownNote: It physically hurts Kyoko to look upon the statue of Atua in Angie's room. Additionally, two of her colleagues end up dying while trying to translate Hope's Peak scripture.
*CrazyHomelessPeople: Averted. Yasuhiro Hagakure is a conspiracy theorist but he's a genuine medium and [[spoiler:the only person outside Hope's Peak who knows what Chiaki Nanami was doing there.]]
*CreepyCave: There's a cave network underneath the church that doubles as an EldritchLocation.
*{{Deconstruction}}: Of Kyoko and the Kirigiri clan.
**Canonically, Kyoko is known for pulling some ''interesting'' moves during her investigations. ([[VisualNovel/DanganronpaTriggerHappyHavoc Sending Makoto into a secret room to see if he gets attacked]], [[Anime/Danganronpa3 tasting a corpse's saliva]], etc.) Given the revered status of Ultimates in canon, she's rarely questioned about it. Here though she gets called out much more often on her reckless and occasionally callous tactics.
**The Kirigiri clan itself is deconstructed with Nagito explicitly pointing out that modern-day evidence standards and protocols are so high that being a professional solo detective isn't really feasible. The only reason the Kirigiri clan has survived is [[spoiler:they've made a pact with an Eldritch being.]]
*DarkAndTroubledPast: Both Kyoko and Makoto were abandoned by their father.
**Angie claims her tribe drowned her.
**[[spoiler:Hope's Peak murdered Mukuro's father and kidnapped her as a child.]]
*DeathByCameo: The body found at Hope's Peak is revealed to be [[spoiler:[[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 Chiaki Nanami.]]]]
*DemonicPossession: Eldritchs can directly control their favoured servants. While Angie only alludes to this with her and Atua, we see it in-story with [[spoiler:Junko and Mukuro]] and [[spoiler:Nagito and Kyoko.]]
*DespairEventHorizon: Dear lord, ''Kyoko.''
**Makoto, the most optimistic and hopeful character in the franchise, has given up by the end.
*{{Determinator}}: Kyoko's persists with the case for far longer than any ordinary person would and even after she's pulled off it. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero It's not a good thing.]]
**She also powers her way through a sleep spell through pure will to protect Makoto.
*EldritchLocation: The church and [[spoiler:the cave network underneath.]]
*ExistentialHorror
*{{Foreshadowing}}: A few characters joke about how protective Kyoko is about Makoto. [[spoiler:She's literally programmed to protect him.]]
**Kyoko notes that [[spoiler:Izuru]] looks like an older [[spoiler:Makoto. They're cousins.]]
**Many, ''many'' lines and interactions become this on a reread. [[CassandraTruth Especially Angie's.]]
*GeniusLoci: The swamp behind Hope's Peak seems to move around.
*GreatDetective: Kyoko. It's mentioned the Kirigiris are considered the last ones in the world.
*HappilyMarried: While not actually married, Kyoko and Makoto give strong vibes of this at the beginning.
*HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:Kyoko's possessiveness towards Makoto.]]
*HeroOfAnotherStory: The story has a lot of details about other characters' histories and makes it clear several have had Eldritch encounters of their own.
**Shuichi Saihara was tapped to investigate the deaths of Angie's tribe. Whatever happened on that island was so terrifying it not only left him terrified of Hope's Peak, ''every single person involved in the investigation'' agreed to keep it under wraps.
**Gundham Tanaka has been trying to thwart Hope's Peak for years and has recruited the Dark Devas of Destruction.
**Chiaki Nanami's [[spoiler:best friend Hajime Hinata started acting funny after receiving strange, unsigned letters. After he suddenly disappeared, she managed to track him to Hope's Peak and was killed trying to find him.]]
**Mukuro Ikusaba was abandoned as a baby at the hospital after [[spoiler:her mother realized Junko had been born as a [[ItMakesSenseInContext Eldritch instead of a human.]]]] She then lived peacefully with just her father for several years until [[spoiler:Junko tracked her down and had her kidnapped. She spent the rest of her childhood growing up in a cult that worshiped her sister and genuinely did not know how to raise a human child.]]
*KillEmAll: Angie claims Atua took great offense when she was murdered by her tribe's priests and slaughtered the entire tribe in retaliation.
*IdentityBreakdown: Kyoko suffers a ''huge'' one after learning the AwfulTruth of her family and realizing [[spoiler:most if not all her personality was 'pre-progammed' into her by Nagito.]]
*MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: It's never clarified whether Gundham is a human wizard or something entirely inhuman. Likewise, it's unclear whether the Devas of Destruction are ordinary hamsters that Gundham painted runes on or something else.
*MistakenForInsane: While justified, Kyoko's hated of Hope's Peak and insistence they [[spoiler:abducted Makoto]] is so extreme she's committed to an asylum.
*ObfuscatingInsanity: While many of Gundam's lines [[RewatchBonus actually do make sense]], it's also implied he does this as a defense against uncomfortable situations.
*OffingTheOffspring: [[spoiler:When he was a child, Makoto's father tried to kill him.]]
*OnlySaneMan: Izuru for the Hope's Peak crew.
**Makoto becomes this for him and Kyoko to the point where [[spoiler:he goes behind her back and begs Byakuya to take them off the case.]]
*SanitySlippage: Kyoko spirals down this path for a while after getting lost in the caves. She becomes more and more reckless and obsessed with Hope's Peak, continuing to investigate even after she's directly ordered not to and Makoto begs her to stop. Eventually, she snaps out of it.
*ShoutOut: The careers and relationship between most characters are direct shout-outs to their Ultimate talents and interactions in canon.
**At one point, Makoto's terrible luck leads him to falling into a swamp. He doesn't have a change of clothes so Nagito lends him a nun's habit. This is a reference to the original AU this story is based on where the premise is Makoto going undercover at Hope's Peak Church while disguised as a nun.
*PrayerIsALastResort: Of all people, [[spoiler:''Kyoko'']] directly prays to the Eldritchs when [[spoiler:Gundam is about to kill Makoto.]]
*ReligionOfEvil: Hope's Peak's clergy is working to [[spoiler:release the seal on the Deep Ones. Justified as the Deep Ones are their parents/grandparents.]]
*RewatchBonus: The story is chock-full of hidden meanings and details that are only noticeable on a reread.
*TimeAbyss: It's unknown how old [[spoiler:Nagito]] is, but Kyoko notices he hasn't aged in at least twenty years.
*UndyingLoyalty: It's very clear Makoto doesn't want to be anywhere near this case, but he's unwilling to leave Kyoko to deal with it alone. [[spoiler:He still sides with her even as an Eldritch.]]
*UnwittingPawn: [[spoiler:Kyoko]] is used by Hope's Peak to lure in [[spoiler:Makoto]] for their plan. Emphasis on the unwitting part as [[spoiler:Kyoko does not remember she made a pact with the Deep Ones.]]
*WellIntentionedExtremist: [[spoiler:Gundam has a good reason for trying to kill Makoto.]]
*YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm: The Eldritchs in general. Gundam also claims this, but it's unsure whether he's telling the truth.
*YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness: [[spoiler:Mukuro.]] However, it's subverted with the explanation that it's the first step in an Eldritch ritual to make humans less fragile.
But the Kirigiri clan isn't known for giving up. Kyoko is going to get to the bottom of this no matter what it takes.
''As Old As Time'' is a [[AlternateUniverseFic No-Ultimates]] ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'' EldritchHorror fanfic where Kyoko and Makoto are ordinary (albeit, extremely talented in Kyoko's case) detectives. While heavily inspired by the ''Franchise/CthulhuMythos'' it does not appear to be a direct crossover.
Can be read [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/12331014/chapters/28038831 here]].
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!! ''As Old As Time'' contains examples of:
*AbusiveParents: Fuhito to Jin. [[spoiler:Kyoko eventually learns Fuhito was this to her too.]]
*ApocalypseCult: Hope's Peak.
*AwfulTruth: [[spoiler:With the exception of Jin Kirigiri, the Kirigiri clan are secretly servants of the Deep Ones.]]
**[[spoiler:Jin never wanted to abandon Kyoko. Her grandfather and Nagito forced him to.]]
**Makoto's father didn't randomly disappear. [[spoiler:He fled after attempting to murder Makoto and was killed by Nagito.]]
**[[spoiler:Makoto is the son of a Deep One.]]
*BatmanGrabsAGun: [[spoiler:Makoto tries to shoot Nagito.]]
*BrownNote: It physically hurts Kyoko to look upon the statue of Atua in Angie's room. Additionally, two of her colleagues end up dying while trying to translate Hope's Peak scripture.
*CrazyHomelessPeople: Averted. Yasuhiro Hagakure is a conspiracy theorist but he's a genuine medium and [[spoiler:the only person outside Hope's Peak who knows what Chiaki Nanami was doing there.]]
*CreepyCave: There's a cave network underneath the church that doubles as an EldritchLocation.
*{{Deconstruction}}: Of Kyoko and the Kirigiri clan.
**Canonically, Kyoko is known for pulling some ''interesting'' moves during her investigations. ([[VisualNovel/DanganronpaTriggerHappyHavoc Sending Makoto into a secret room to see if he gets attacked]], [[Anime/Danganronpa3 tasting a corpse's saliva]], etc.) Given the revered status of Ultimates in canon, she's rarely questioned about it. Here though she gets called out much more often on her reckless and occasionally callous tactics.
**The Kirigiri clan itself is deconstructed with Nagito explicitly pointing out that modern-day evidence standards and protocols are so high that being a professional solo detective isn't really feasible. The only reason the Kirigiri clan has survived is [[spoiler:they've made a pact with an Eldritch being.]]
*DarkAndTroubledPast: Both Kyoko and Makoto were abandoned by their father.
**Angie claims her tribe drowned her.
**[[spoiler:Hope's Peak murdered Mukuro's father and kidnapped her as a child.]]
*DeathByCameo: The body found at Hope's Peak is revealed to be [[spoiler:[[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 Chiaki Nanami.]]]]
*DemonicPossession: Eldritchs can directly control their favoured servants. While Angie only alludes to this with her and Atua, we see it in-story with [[spoiler:Junko and Mukuro]] and [[spoiler:Nagito and Kyoko.]]
*DespairEventHorizon: Dear lord, ''Kyoko.''
**Makoto, the most optimistic and hopeful character in the franchise, has given up by the end.
*{{Determinator}}: Kyoko's persists with the case for far longer than any ordinary person would and even after she's pulled off it. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero It's not a good thing.]]
**She also powers her way through a sleep spell through pure will to protect Makoto.
*EldritchLocation: The church and [[spoiler:the cave network underneath.]]
*ExistentialHorror
*{{Foreshadowing}}: A few characters joke about how protective Kyoko is about Makoto. [[spoiler:She's literally programmed to protect him.]]
**Kyoko notes that [[spoiler:Izuru]] looks like an older [[spoiler:Makoto. They're cousins.]]
**Many, ''many'' lines and interactions become this on a reread. [[CassandraTruth Especially Angie's.]]
*GeniusLoci: The swamp behind Hope's Peak seems to move around.
*GreatDetective: Kyoko. It's mentioned the Kirigiris are considered the last ones in the world.
*HappilyMarried: While not actually married, Kyoko and Makoto give strong vibes of this at the beginning.
*HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:Kyoko's possessiveness towards Makoto.]]
*HeroOfAnotherStory: The story has a lot of details about other characters' histories and makes it clear several have had Eldritch encounters of their own.
**Shuichi Saihara was tapped to investigate the deaths of Angie's tribe. Whatever happened on that island was so terrifying it not only left him terrified of Hope's Peak, ''every single person involved in the investigation'' agreed to keep it under wraps.
**Gundham Tanaka has been trying to thwart Hope's Peak for years and has recruited the Dark Devas of Destruction.
**Chiaki Nanami's [[spoiler:best friend Hajime Hinata started acting funny after receiving strange, unsigned letters. After he suddenly disappeared, she managed to track him to Hope's Peak and was killed trying to find him.]]
**Mukuro Ikusaba was abandoned as a baby at the hospital after [[spoiler:her mother realized Junko had been born as a [[ItMakesSenseInContext Eldritch instead of a human.]]]] She then lived peacefully with just her father for several years until [[spoiler:Junko tracked her down and had her kidnapped. She spent the rest of her childhood growing up in a cult that worshiped her sister and genuinely did not know how to raise a human child.]]
*KillEmAll: Angie claims Atua took great offense when she was murdered by her tribe's priests and slaughtered the entire tribe in retaliation.
*IdentityBreakdown: Kyoko suffers a ''huge'' one after learning the AwfulTruth of her family and realizing [[spoiler:most if not all her personality was 'pre-progammed' into her by Nagito.]]
*MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: It's never clarified whether Gundham is a human wizard or something entirely inhuman. Likewise, it's unclear whether the Devas of Destruction are ordinary hamsters that Gundham painted runes on or something else.
*MistakenForInsane: While justified, Kyoko's hated of Hope's Peak and insistence they [[spoiler:abducted Makoto]] is so extreme she's committed to an asylum.
*ObfuscatingInsanity: While many of Gundam's lines [[RewatchBonus actually do make sense]], it's also implied he does this as a defense against uncomfortable situations.
*OffingTheOffspring: [[spoiler:When he was a child, Makoto's father tried to kill him.]]
*OnlySaneMan: Izuru for the Hope's Peak crew.
**Makoto becomes this for him and Kyoko to the point where [[spoiler:he goes behind her back and begs Byakuya to take them off the case.]]
*SanitySlippage: Kyoko spirals down this path for a while after getting lost in the caves. She becomes more and more reckless and obsessed with Hope's Peak, continuing to investigate even after she's directly ordered not to and Makoto begs her to stop. Eventually, she snaps out of it.
*ShoutOut: The careers and relationship between most characters are direct shout-outs to their Ultimate talents and interactions in canon.
**At one point, Makoto's terrible luck leads him to falling into a swamp. He doesn't have a change of clothes so Nagito lends him a nun's habit. This is a reference to the original AU this story is based on where the premise is Makoto going undercover at Hope's Peak Church while disguised as a nun.
*PrayerIsALastResort: Of all people, [[spoiler:''Kyoko'']] directly prays to the Eldritchs when [[spoiler:Gundam is about to kill Makoto.]]
*ReligionOfEvil: Hope's Peak's clergy is working to [[spoiler:release the seal on the Deep Ones. Justified as the Deep Ones are their parents/grandparents.]]
*RewatchBonus: The story is chock-full of hidden meanings and details that are only noticeable on a reread.
*TimeAbyss: It's unknown how old [[spoiler:Nagito]] is, but Kyoko notices he hasn't aged in at least twenty years.
*UndyingLoyalty: It's very clear Makoto doesn't want to be anywhere near this case, but he's unwilling to leave Kyoko to deal with it alone. [[spoiler:He still sides with her even as an Eldritch.]]
*UnwittingPawn: [[spoiler:Kyoko]] is used by Hope's Peak to lure in [[spoiler:Makoto]] for their plan. Emphasis on the unwitting part as [[spoiler:Kyoko does not remember she made a pact with the Deep Ones.]]
*WellIntentionedExtremist: [[spoiler:Gundam has a good reason for trying to kill Makoto.]]
*YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm: The Eldritchs in general. Gundam also claims this, but it's unsure whether he's telling the truth.
*YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness: [[spoiler:Mukuro.]] However, it's subverted with the explanation that it's the first step in an Eldritch ritual to make humans less fragile.
