History EvenEvilHasStandards / Saw

*** Of course, many of his traps require someone to die, give some of the victims no agency in their survival, or require multiple people to compete against each other. With the furnace trap in [[Film/Saw3d the seventh film,]] which it's implied he designed, saving the trapped victim required their rescuer to perform an impossible task (exposing the rescuer as a fraud because they claimed to have survived the exact same trap previously), so BlueAndOrangeMorality at best, regular [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy at worst]] is in full effect.

*** Also, happy as he was of his BatmanGambit succeeding, Hoffman ''was'' playing fair, with his own life on the line. Unlike other examples (including Hoffman himself in the previous movie) his survival wasnìt guaranteed and wasn't even up to him.

*** Of course, many of his traps require someone to die, give some of the victims no agency in their survival, or require multiple people to compete against each other. With the furnace trap in [[Film/Saw3d the seventh film,]] which it's implied he designed, saving the trapped victim required their rescuer to perform an impossible task (exposing the rescuer as a fraud,) so BlueAndOrangeMorality at best, regular [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy at worst]] is in full effect.

* Being a survivor himself, and a Jigsaw accomplice, Lawrence Gordon knows that Bobby was never tested, and is appalled by his scheme to pretend that he was to get rich and famous from his book about "surviving" the ordeal.

** He hates racist skinhead gangs. The Horsepower Trap barely looks survivable at all, and Kara is tied up with barbed wire when chains would have been perfectly fine, as the rest of the skinheads had them as restraints.

*** Happy as he was of his BatmanGambit succeeding, Hoffman ''was'' playing fair, with his own life on the line. Unlike other examples (including Hoffman himself in the previous movie) his survival wasnìt guaranteed and wasn't even up to him.

** In spite of how cruel or heartless he can come off at times, as well as the general brutality of his traps, John appears to take no pleasure in the agony and death of his victims and WordOfGod is that he honestly sees his actions as a NecessaryEvil that will help them appreciate life as much as he did.

** When Hoffman kidnaps Tara and Brent in ''Saw VI'' to give them the chance to exact revenge on William, John tells them through a video tape that he sincerely apologizes for putting them in cages for a time; he truly had no intention to harm or inconvenience either of them. Of course, that doesn't stop him from putting them in a situation where they're encouraged to (and Brent ultimately does) commit murder, which will traumatize them and probably result in Brent being prosecuted.

** When Hoffman kidnaps Tara and Brent in ''Saw VI'' to give them the chance to exact revenge on William, John tells them through a video tape that he sincerely apologizes for putting them in cages for a time; he truly had no intention to harm or inconvenience either of them.

** As painful and laborious as they may be, all of his traps (at least, the ones that he designed himself; his apprentices often deviate from this) ''are'' genuinely survivable. They may involve self-mutilation, psychological scarring, non-intuitive thinking, or all three, but you can survive them as long as you have the guts (and the pain tolerance) to do what it takes. The first time the police discover a trap that’s not survivable, it’s considered to be a major outlier in Jigsaw's MO.
** He doesn't lie. He may not fully tell the truth or give CrypticConversation, but he doesn't outright lie.

** In spite of how cruel or heartless he can come off at times, as well as the general brutality of his traps, John took no pleasure in the agony and death of his victims and instead honestly seeing his actions as a NecessaryEvil that will help them appreciate life as much as he did. Furthermore, he also genuinely cares about his surviving victims, as shown when he took care of Lawrence Gordon and nursed him back to health and being visibly saddened by Amanda's death.

** When Strahm is killed via TheWallsAreClosingIn, Hoffman ''looks away'' before the final impact, as if even he can't stand how horrific Strahm's death is.

** When Strahm is killed via TheWallsAreClosingIn, Hoffman ''looks aways'' before the final impact, as if even he can't stand how horrific Strahm's death is.

* While Amanda Young's traps were inescapable, she believed that she was doing people a service by simply letting them die rather than leaving them to suffer after surviving as she did. A lot of her morality is shown through her actions with Adam; a deleted scene shows her having a guilt-ridden nightmare of his apparition asking her why she sent him to his death, and in ''Saw III'', rather than letting him starve or dehydrate to death, she delivers a MercyKill, gently saying she was going to help and free him, and genuinely sobbing the whole time.

** All of his traps (at least, the ones he genuinely designed himself; his apprentices often deviate from this) ''are'' survivable. They may involve self-mutilation, psychological scarring, non-intuitive thinking, or all three, but you can survive them. The first time the police discover a trap that’s not survivable, it’s considered to be a major break in Jigsaw's MO.

** He abhors racists, sexual predators, and domestic abusers, among other scumbags. The traps they're put into are more likely than others to be symbolic of the crimes they've committed.

* Even Mark Hoffman hates racist skinhead gangs. The Horsepower Trap barely looks survivable at all, and Kara is tied up with barbed wire when chains would have been perfectly fine, as the rest of the skinheads had them as restraints.

** All of his traps (at least, the ones he genuinely designed himself; his apprentices often deviate from this) ''are'' survivable. They may involve self-mutilation, psychological scarring, non-intuitive thinking, or all three, but you can survive them. The first time the police discover a trap that was not survivable, it is considered to be a major break in Jigsaw's MO.

* While Amanda Young's traps were inescapable, she believed that she was doing people a service by simply letting them die rather than leaving them to suffer after surviving as she did. A lot of her morality is shown through her actions with Adam; a deleted scene shows her having a guilt-ridden nightmare of his apparition asking her why she sent him to his death, and in ''Saw III'', rather than letting him starve and dehydrate to death, she delivers a MercyKill, gently saying she was going to help and free him, and genuinely sobbing the whole time.

* While Amanda Young's traps were inescapable, she believed that she was doing people a service by simply letting them die rather than leaving them to suffer after surviving as she did. A lot of her morality is shown through her actions with Adam; a deleted scene shows her having a guilt-ridden nightmare of his apparition asking her why sent him to his death, and in ''Saw III'', rather than letting him starve and dehydrate to death, she delivers a MercyKill, gently saying she was going to help and free him, and genuinely sobbing the whole time.

* While Amanda Young's traps were inescapable, she believed that she was doing people a service by simply letting them die rather than leaving them to suffer after surviving as she did. A lot of her morality is shown through her actions with Adam: A deleted scene shows her having a guilt-ridden nightmare of his apparition asking her why sent him to his death, and in ''Saw III'', rather than letting him starve and dehydrate to death, she delivers a MercyKill, gently saying she was going to help and free him, and genuinely sobbing the whole time.

** In ''Jigsaw'', he saves Logan from the circular saw room trap, as it isn't fair for him to die just because he didn't wake up the same time the other four did (especially because John overdid it on the sedatives.) Also, he regrets putting him in the game in the first place since it was just an act of revenge on John's part, since Logan's only transgression was a genuine mistake of accidentally mixing up the brain x-rays that led to his tumor not being detected sooner. As well as this, he and Logan have parted ways by the events of ''Saw'', but he doesn't kill Logan off or put him in a trap to save himself - he lets him go.

* EvenEvilHasStandards: Being a survivor himself, and a Jigsaw accomplice, Lawrence Gordon knows that Bobby was never tested, and is appalled by his scheme to pretend that he was to get rich and famous from his book about "surviving" the ordeal.

** In ''Jigsaw'', he saves Logan from the circular saw room trap, as it isn't fair for him to die just because he didn't wake up the same time the other four did (especially because John overdid it on the sedatives.) Also, he regrets putting him in the game in the first place since it was just an act of revenge on John's part, since Logan's only transgression was a genuine mistake of accidentally mixing up the brain x-rays that led to his tumor not being detected sooner. As well as this, he and Logan have parted ways by the events of ''Saw'', but he doesn't kill Logan off or put him in a trap to save himself - he lets him go.

** In ''Jigsaw'', he saves Logan from the circular saw room trap, as it isn't fair for him to die just because he didn't wake up the same time the other four did (especially because John overdid it on the sedatives.) Also, he regrets putting him in the game in the first place since it was just an act of revenge on John's part, since Logan's only transgression was a genuine mistake of accidentally mixing up the brain x-rays that led to his tumor not being detected sooner. As well as this, he and Logan have parted ways

** In ''Jigsaw'', he saves Logan from the circular saw room trap, as it isn't fair for him to die just because he didn't wake up the same time the other four did (especially because John overdid it on the sedatives.) Also, he regrets putting him in the game in the first place since it was just an act of revenge on John's part, since Logan's only transgression was a genuine mistake of accidentally mixing up the brain x-rays that led to his tumor not being detected sooner. As well as this, he and Logan have parted ways
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