History DethroningMoment / DCComics

* [=RippenFan=]: I've never had any great desire to read the ''ComicBook/BatmanBeyond'' series, despite liking the [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond show it sprang from]], specifically ''ComicBook/BatmanBeyondRebirth'' and it's follow-ups ''Neo-Year'' and ''Neo-Gothic,'' and after a trip to the DC Wiki, I have even less desire to. Admittedly, these books are more of an AlternateContinuity with characters essentially based on the ones from the show, not the actual ones. [[note]] Not that the official comic continuation from 2011 didn't do Dana dirty either, it did, but it stopped around 2014 and it may have eventually led into the events of "Epilogue," but now we'll never know. [[/note]] Now, I understand not everyone likes Dana Tan, and I also understand why. That said, it's kind of sad seeing that, despite averting ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies and TheMasqueradeWillKillYourDatingLife in [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS2E13Epilogue "Epilogue"]] [[note]] Though admittedly, her only appearance in the episode is a what WordOfGod claimed was an ImagineSpot, but since it's from Terry's mind, this is likely how she is now. [[/note]] and essentially redeeming herself, only to find out in ''Neo-Gothic'' that she's pretty much been DemotedToExtra (as is pretty much everyone else from the show, actually) and Terry is now dating an [[HasAType Asian]] former GCPD officer. I get ShipToShipCombat is a thing, but you don't expect professional comic writers to indulge in it; this reeks of ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay''-style nonsense and seems like a huge middle finger to Dini & Timm's universe. I'm glad the wiki still lists the DCAU version of Dana as Terry's fiancée.

** Tropers/SickBritKid: I was pissed enough by the entirety of Cry for Justice, but the moment that murdered comics forever for me was the death of Lian Harper. Much like Linkara, one of my favorite comic series is the Titans. Lian's presence helped humanize her father, Arsenal, as well as provide a likeable character that had good potential to develop into a good character down the line, herself, much like Roy and Dick Grayson. Her death in Cry For Justice just reeked of Joe Quesada-esque "lets make Roy cool again by getting rid of the stuff that makes him look old" style of writing, removing one of the more interesting dynamics of Roy Harper's character: Being a single father struggling between his life as a superhero as well as being there for his young daughter. There was even a parallel in the fact that after losing Lian, Roy falls back into his old heroin habit before getting his ass kicked by Dick and then proceeding to become a cliche NinetiesAntiHero, essentially a DarkerAndEdgier form of how Peter Parker became a womanizing grown man living in his aunt's basement having multiple one-night-stands after ComicBook/OneMoreDay.
* @/{{Jonn}}: I'm not sure which of the many TakeThat[=s=] in ComicBook/TheAuthority was the DMS for me, but I managed to narrow it down to two candidates. One was when the team does a little... international intervention, after which when Hawksmoor blows off President UsefulNotes/BillClinton[='=]s concerns about reprisals against the United States of America. His response is that the team isn't actually American, and the bad guys would just have to come after them. Because we all know how logical terrorist groups tend to be about such things. Also note that the team is question is mostly American. In fact, it's slightly lower, proportionately, than the usual lineup of the Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, which the remark was a TakeThat at (Wonder Woman: Greek. Aquaman: Atlantean. Martian Manhunter: Martian. Superman is Kryptonian, though he's basically a naturalized American.) And behind him in the camera pickup at the time is a bunch of people wandering in and out of the party they happen to be having at the time, offscreen, in various states of dress and sobriety.

* [=RippenFan=]: I've never had any great desire to read the ''ComicBook/BatmanBeyond'' series, despite liking the [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond show it sprang from]], specifically ''ComicBook/BatmanBeyondRebirth'' and it's follow-ups ''Neo-Year'' and ''Neo-Gothic,'' and after a trip to the DC Wiki, I have even less desire to. Admittedly, these books are more of an AlternateContinuity with characters essentially based on the ones from the show, not the actual ones. [[note]] Not that the official comic continuation didn't do Dana dirty either, it did, but it ended in 2014 and may have led into the events of "Epilogue" so we'll never know. [[/note]] I have even further desire not to. Now, I understand not everyone likes Dana Tan, and I also understand why. That said, it's kind of sad seeing that, despite averting ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies and TheMasqueradeWillKillYourDatingLife in [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS2E13Epilogue "Epilogue"]] [[note]] Though admittedly, her only appearance in the episode is a what WordOfGod claimed was an ImagineSpot, but since it's from Terry's mind, this is likely how she is now. [[/note]] and essentially redeeming herself, only to find out in ''Neo-Gothic'' that she's pretty much been DemotedToExtra (as is pretty much everyone else from the show, actually) and Terry is now dating an [[HasAType Asian]] former GCPD officer. I get ShipToShipCombat is a thing, but you don't expect professional comic writers to indulge in it; this reeks of ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay''-style nonsense and seems like a huge middle finger to Dini & Timm's universe. I'm glad the wiki still lists the DCAU version of Dana as Terry's fiancée.

* [=RippenFan=]: I've never had any desire to read the ''ComicBook/BatmanBeyond'' series and, after a trip to the DC wiki, I have even further desire not to. Now, I understand not everyone likes Dana Tan, and I also understand why. That said, it's kind of sad seeing that, despite averting ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies and TheMasqueradeWillKillYourDatingLife in [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS2E13Epilogue "Epilogue"]] [[note]] Though admittedly, her only appearance in the episode is a what WordOfGod claimed was an ImagineSpot, but since it's from Terry's mind, this is likely how she is now. [[/note]] and essentially redeeming herself, only to find out in the later volumes that she's pretty much been DemotedToExtra (as is pretty much everyone else from the show, actually) and Terry is now dating an [[HasAType Asian]] former GCPD officer. I get ShipToShipCombat is a thing, but you don't expect professional comic writers to indulge in it; this reeks of ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay''-style nonsense and seems like a huge middle finger to Dini & Timm's universe. I'm glad the wiki considers the comics an AlternateContinuity from the series.

* [=RippenFan=]: I've never had any desire to read the ''ComicBook/BatmanBeyond'' series and, after a trip to the DC wiki, I have even further desire not to. Now, I understand not everyone likes Dana Tan, and I also understand why. That said, it's kind of sad seeing that, despite averting ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies and TheMasqueradeWillKillYourDatingLife in [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS2E13Epilogue "Epilogue"]] [[note]] Though admittedly, her only appearance in the episode is a what WordOfGod claimed was an ImagineSpot, but since it's from Terry's mind, this is likely how she is now. [[/note]] and essentially redeeming herself, only to find out in the later volumes that she's pretty much been DemotedToExtra (as is pretty much everyone else from the show, actually) and Terry is now dating an [[HasAType Asian]] former GCPD officer. I get ShipToShipCombat is a thing, but this reeks of ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay''-style nonsense and seems like a huge middle finger to Dini & Timm's universe. I'm glad the wiki considers the comics an AlternateContinuity from the series.

* RippenFan: I've never had any desire to read the ''ComicBook/BatmanBeyond'' series and, after a trip to the DC wiki, I have even further reason not to. Now, I understand not everyone likes Dana Tan, and I also understand why. That said, it's kind of sad seeing that she averted ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies and TheMasqueradeWillRuinYourDatingLife in [[/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS2E13Epilogue "Epilogue"]] [[note]] Though admittedly, her only appearance in the episode is a what WordOfGod claimed was an ImagineSpot, but since it's from Terry's mind, this is likely how she is now [[/note]] only to find out in the later volumers that she's pretty much been DemotedToExtra and Terry is now dating an [[HasAType Asian]] former GCPD officer MarySue. I get ShipToShipCombat is a thing, but this reeks of ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' -style nonsense and is a huge middle finger to Dini & Timm's universe. I'm glad the wiki considers the comics an AlternateContinuity from the series.

* [=DevNameless=]: The moment it was revealed Wally West was the killer in ''ComicBook/HeroesInCrisis'' was the moment I realized Dan [=DiDio=] was unsalvageable as a someone working on DC. While at first I had gripes with his actions, I was willing to put up with them for a time being even when I thought they were dumb. I admit I'm not the biggest fan of Wally West, but I still thought it was kinda uncool for [=DiDio=] to have such a hate-boner for him, but I could let it slide. Then we get to ''Heroes in Crisis''. You can check the [[Horrible/ComicBooks Comic Books Horrible page]] for a lot of the issues that plagued the series, so I won't get into it being a dumpster fire too much. Wally being revealed as the killer, however, was just the grand pinnacle of not only everything wrong in the book, but everything wrong with the structure of DC as a whole. The writing and justifications made no sense, and that was because they never were going to make sense. Tom King didn't have a character in mind when he wrote this, and left many of the decisions to the editors, and who else but [=DiDio=] comes forward to cast Wally West as the murderer, all just to spit in the face of the fans of a character he hated after he came back to massive praise from the fans. It became clear to me that [=DiDio=] didn't care what the fans thought was a good story, he cared about how he alone thought the DCU should work, and he'd go to any lengths to make it that way. I am so glad that whole debacle was retconned out of existence.

* Tropers/{{I Like Robots}}: Jonathan Kent's sudden and hackneyed PlotRelevantAgeUp in Brian Michael Bendis' ''Superman'' run. So after some extremely irresponsible, out of character behavior on the part of his parents (Lois and Clark letting their son leave for parts unknown with the grandfather they barely know?), Jon returns at 17 years old, and leaves his mother, father and the ''entire present day'' to stay with the Legion of Super-Heroes in the 31st Century, thus cutting short the fun and interesting development of watching a cheerful young boy growing up, getting used to his powers and learning how to be a hero. Not to mention, it abruptly robs Clark and Lois of an interesting character arc of learning how best to train and guide their son, Damian Wayne of an interesting character arc of mentoring Jon, growing alongside him and becoming more sociable, and the audience of one of the most wholesome and endearing characters of the DC Universe. I have no interest in reading ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes'' and I don't care if this is a MythologyGag, what happened to the plucky boy who was excited to join the Teen Titans when he turned 13? The upbeat boy who was Damian's {{foil}}, [[HeterosexualLifePartners best friend and partner?]] Sure, Jon Kent was going to grow up and become a teenager ''eventually'', but [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Bendis pulling a sudden mystical age up reeks of laziness and impatience.]] What's even lazier, while the age up happened in the space of a few weeks for everyone else, Jon ''actually lived those years;'' from age 11 to 17, he was held prisoner in a volcano on Earth-3, emotionally and physically tormented by Ultraman, a supervillain who looks just like his father, and he comes out of it with [[AngstWhatAngst virtually no trauma or long-lasting consequences to show for it.]] Seriously, Bendis? If you're going to force him through what ''should have been'' an extremely traumatic experience, then have the decency to ''explore its effects on him.'' You wanna know why Dick Grayson's transition from Robin to Nightwing was so well-received, and why no one demands that Dick Grayson return to the mantle of Robin? Because his CharacterDevelopment was well done and felt natural, and we actually got to see him grow up over decades of stories. Not to mention, teenage Jon is redundant, since we ''already have'' a teenage Superboy in the DC universe: ''Conner Kent''. Since then, Jon has remained a lukewarm, far less interesting clone of his father with all of his unique character traits filed away, and no Jon Kent-led book has been able to retain my attention. Way to ruin one of the best characters created recently, Bendis. Thank God for ''ComicBook/AdventuresOfTheSuperSons'' and other works starring young Jon, but I'm holding out hope that something retcons this idiocy soon.

* Tropers/{{I Like Robots}}: Jonathan Kent's sudden and hackneyed PlotRelevantAgeUp. So after some weird, nigh-nonsensical time-space shenanigans, Jon is suddenly 17 years old and leaves his mother, father and the ''entire present day'' to stay with the Legion of Super-Heroes in the 31st Century, thus cutting short the fun and interesting development of watching a cheerful young boy growing up, getting used to his powers and learning how to be a hero. Not to mention, it abruptly robs Clark and Lois of an interesting character arc of learning how best to train and guide their son, Damian Wayne of an interesting character arc of mentoring Jon, growing alongside him and becoming more sociable, and the audience of one of the most wholesome and endearing characters of the DC Universe. I have no interest in reading ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes'' and I don't care if this is a MythologyGag, what happened to the plucky boy who was excited to join the Teen Titans when he turned 13? The upbeat boy who was Damian's {{foil}}, [[HeterosexualLifePartners best friend and partner?]] Sure, Jon Kent was going to grow up and become a teenager ''eventually'', but [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Bendis pulling a sudden mystical age up reeks of laziness and impatience.]] You wanna know why Dick Grayson's transition from Robin to Nightwing was so well-received, and why no one demands that Dick Grayson return to the mantle of Robin? Because his CharacterDevelopment was well done and felt natural, and we actually got to see him grow up over decades of stories. Not to mention, teenage Jon is redundant, since we ''already have'' a teenage Superboy in the 'verse: ''Conner Kent''. Thank God for ''ComicBook/AdventuresOfTheSuperSons,'' but I'm desperately hoping that something retcons this idiocy soon.

* {{Tropers/Katsuhagi}}: ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' was a mess all around, and the dethroning moment for me wasn't even the one people cite most, the rape of Sue Dibny, but a more subtle one. Mainly, the sight of Sue's charred corpse being held by her weeping husband and the revelation that she'd just discovered she was pregnant. That did it for me, since the story went from dramatic to Trying Too Hard right then, by throwing the fact that she was pregnant onto it it was essentially screaming "Oh, you see this tragedy? Well it's tragic! Now have some more!" It was just too much. Not to mention that it causes a huge moment of FridgeLogic when you know that the Gingold Ralph got his powers from also made him sterile, so who exactly was the father of Sue's baby?
** Tropers/DrZulu2010: Speaking of ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' I have to mention [[spoiler: Firestorm's]] death for many reasons. 1. He barely appeared in the comic, so it comes as super cheap. 2. He dies pierced by a sword and has to flee before he explodes because "this is what happens when a nuclear reactor is punctured." No, [[https://www.whiterose.org/howlingcurmudgeons/archives/006974.html this]] is what truly happened when a nuclear reactor is punctured. And even if we have to believe it, that would not happen in [[spoiler: Firestorm's]] case because he is not a nuclear reactor. He has nuclear-related powers and he is not corporeal. And 3. It's just another one of DC's trademark cheap deaths for the sake of it and because they need to introduce a new character, only to bring him back later making the thing pointless in the end.

* [=DevNameless=]: The moment it was revealed Wally West was the killer in ''ComicBook/HeroesInCrisis'' was the moment I realized Dan [=DiDio=] was unsalvageable as a someone working on DC. While at first I had gripes with his actions, I was willing to put up with them for a time being even when I thought they were dumb. I admit I'm not the biggest fan of Wally West, but I still thought it was kinda uncool for [=DiDio=] to have such a hate-boner for him, but I could let it slide. Then we get to ''Heroes in Crisis''. You can check the Horrible/ComicBooks page for a lot of the issues that plagued the series, so I won't get into it being a dumpster fire too, much. Wally being revealed as the killer, however, was just the grand pinnacle of not only everything wrong in the book, but everything wrong with the structure of DC as a whole. The writing and justifications made no sense, and that was because they never were going to make sense. Tom King didn't have a character in mind when he wrote this, and left many of the decisions to the editors, and who else but [=DiDio=] comes forward to cast Wally West as the murderer, all just to spit in the face of the fans of a character he hated after he came back to massive praise from the fans. It became clear to me that [=DiDio=] didn't care what the fans thought was a good story, he cared about how he alone thought the DCU should work, and he'd go to any lengths to make it that way. I am so glad that whole debacle was retconned out of existence.

* PuffPuff: Power Girl's had it rough for a long time, but the solo run by Palmiotti/Conner is just one long unfunny "harhar, boobs" joke. The point where I completely washed my hands of the series and DC's overall handling of the character was when Power Girl had been beaten into the ground by a villain and is near death, and yet the cops and paramedics (except for the one woman, of course) carrying her to the ambulance were joking about how she's so heavy because of her boobs.

* Tropers/{{LLSmoothJ}}: [[Comicbook/TheFlash Wally West]] finally makes his ComicBook/{{New 52}} debut. Quite possibly the most anticipated (let alone requested) debut in DC since it started. What we got is basically [[AngryBlackMan a black kid who already has a criminal record]] (and yes, I said kid, as he's no longer a young adult like [[Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]]) with neither of his parents anywhere in sight. So not only has Wally been retconned out of his own generation, but now he's more or less a stereotypical black kid who grew up in the 'hood! UnfortunateImplications doesn't even begin to describe this. I'm really hoping that the ComicBook/New52 is going to have their own [[ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths Crisis]] and soon. The sooner we can get rid of this walking stereotype and get the real Wally West back, the better.

* Tropers/{{baeraad555}}: I cancelled a ten-year-long subscription of Wonder Woman after the ''Afterworlds'' arc. Funnily enough, the straw that broke the camel's back was the issue with Earth-11 and [[TestosteronePoisoning Wonder Man.]] Given that Wonder Man originated in [[ComicBook/CountdownToFinalCrisis a bad series]] as a reference to [[ComicBook/AmazonsAttack another bad series,]] you'd think I wouldn't care what they did with the character, but... there was just something uniquely annoying about Siggy quipping that [=WM=]'s [=MRA=]-ish rhetoric was [[PoliticallyCorrectHistory old even in his time.]] Uhm, no? I'm pretty sure no one complained about women running everything back in the early middle ages. Also, WM [[StrawmanHasAPoint actually has a point,]] since he comes from [[LadyLand a gender-flipped world where presumably all the crooked, powerful men Diana deals with in Earth-1 are crooked, powerful women instead.]] While [[JumpedOffTheSlipperySlope his approach of running in and smashing things would mark him as a supervillain,]] he should be of the WellIntentionedExtremist kind and Diana should be giving him a stern lecture about how she sympathises with his cause of "bringing down the matriarchy" but he's going about it the wrong way. But no, apparently that's far too much nuance in this day and age and only a [[StrawMisogynist rampaging misogynist]] could have a problem with women being in charge of everything.

* Tropers/{{baeraad555}}: I cancelled a ten-year-long subscription of Wonder Woman after the ''Afterworlds'' arc. Funnily enough, the straw that broke the camel's back was the issue with Earth-11 and [[TestosteronePoisoning Wonder Man.]] Given that Wonder Man originated in [[ComicBook/CountdownToFinalCrisis a bad series]] as a reference to [[ComicBook/AmazonsAttack another bad series,]] you'd think I wouldn't care what they did with the character, but... there was just something uniquely annoying about Siggy quipping that [=WM=]'s [=MRA=]-ish rhetoric was [[PoliticallyCorrectHistory old even in his time.]] Uhm, no? I'm pretty sure no one complained about women running everything back in the early middle ages. Also, WM [[StrawmanHasAPoint actually has a point,]] since he comes from [[LadyLand a gender-flipped world where presumably all the crooked, powerful men Diana deals with in Earth-1 are crooked, powerful women instead.]] While [[JumpedOffTheSlipperySlope his approach of running in and smashing things would mark him as a supervillain,]] he should be of the WellIntentionedExtremist kind and Diana should be giving him a stern lecture about how she sympathises with his cause of "bringing down the matriarchy" but he's going about it the wrong way. But no, apparently that's far too much nuance in this day and age and only a [[StrawMisogynist rampaging misogynist]] could have a problem with women being in charge of everything.
* Tropers/{{Arrowhead}} ''Straight Shooter,'' the first arc of ''Creator/JuddWinick'''s ''ComicBook/GreenArrow'' run not only destroyed the character of Oliver Queen but also the character of ''ComicBook/BlackLightning.''
** The story arc found Green Arrow having a one-night stand with Jefferson Pierce's niece, before she was killed by the villain of the storyline. This was used to set up a slow weakening of Green Arrow's relationship with ''ComicBook/BlackCanary'' because Winick thought Oliver was more interesting as "a horndog who chases skirts and can't stay faithful." This ignored that Oliver Queen's past characterization while dating Black Canary had been that of a CrazyJealousGuy who didn't like other men making eyes at his "Pretty Bird" rather than a HandsomeLech. It also ignored the work ''Creator/KevinSmith'' had done to develop Green Arrow's character after he came back from the dead and the fact that the previous arc ended with Black Canary rejecting Green Arrow's marriage proposal and saying she thought they were going too fast, with dialogue suggesting they weren't dating exclusively. In other words, Winnick brought Ollie and Dinah back together off-camera, so he could break them apart.
** Ignoring the fact that the niece was StuffedIntoTheFridge to give Ollie and Jefferson angst, Ollie's affair was also a major problem from a continuity standpoint as it was impossible for Black Lightning to HAVE a niece, since he had been prominently established as an only child in his origin story. (Winick also gave Black Lightning a daughter in defiance of the wishes of Black Lightning Creator Tony Isabella, who contended that Jefferson would never have gotten a divorce or risked his life as a superhero if it would chance leaving his children without a father.)
** The final straw was how the story ended with Jefferson Pierce, a man so moral that he retired from heroism when he thought he couldn't use his powers safely, causing the villain to be struck by lightning after he was cleared of any criminal wrongdoing.

** Ignoring the fact that the niece was StuffedIntoTheFridge to give Ollie and Jefferson angst, Ollie's affair was also a major problem from a continuity standpoint as it was impossible for Black Lightning to HAVE a niece, since he had been prominently established as an only child in his origin story. (Winick also gave Black Lightning a daughter in defiance of the wishes of Black Lightning Creator Tony Isabella, who contended that Jefferson would never have gotten a divorce or risked his life as a superhero if it would risk leaving his children without a father.)
** The final straw was how the story ended with Jefferson Pierce, a man so moral that he retired from heroism when he thought he couldn't use his powers safely,causing the villain to be struck by lightning after he was cleared of any criminal wrongdoing.

** Ignoring the fact that the niece was StuffedIntoTheFridge to give Ollie and Jefferson angst, Ollie's affair was also a major problem from a continuity standpoint as it was impossible for Black Lightning to HAVE a niece, since he had been prominently established as an only child in his origin story. (Winick also gave Black Lightning a daughter in defiance of the wishes of Black Lightning Creator Tony Isabella, who contended that Jefferson would never have gotten a divorce or risked his life as a superhero if it would risk leaving his children as orphans.)

** The story arc found Green Arrow having a one-night stand with Jefferson Pierce's niece, before she was killed by the villain of the storyline. This was used to set up a slow weakening of Green Arrow's relationship with ''ComicBook/BlackCanary'' because Winick thought Oliver was more interesting as "a horndog who chases skirts and can't stay faithful." This ignored that Oliver Queen's past characterization while dating Black Canary had been that of a CrazyJealousGuy who didn't like other men making eyes at his "Pretty Bird" rather than a HandsomeLech. It also ignored the work ''Creator/KevinSmith'' had done to develop Green Arrow's character after he came back from the dead and the fact that the previous arc ended with Black Canary rejecting Green Arrow's marriage proposal and saying she thought they were going too fast, with dialogue suggesting they weren't dating exclusively.