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* BigBrotherWorship: She deeply loves Luka, even though he's only older than her by five minutes.
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* BigBrotherWorship: She deeply loves Luka, Luka and seems to want him to protect her because he's her big brother, even though he's only older than her by five minutes.
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* LaResistance: According to Juleka, she is working to expose Ladybug's crimes.
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[[folder:Lila Rossi (Volpina, Chameleon)]]
The "Junior Ambassador" in the Italian embassy, and also a notorious liar who twists the truth in order to accrue money and power. Luka sees some similarities between her and the new Ladybug.
The "Junior Ambassador" in the Italian embassy, and also a notorious liar who twists the truth in order to accrue money and power. Luka sees some similarities between her and the new Ladybug.
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The "Junior Ambassador" in
A shy and moody classmate of Marinette's who thinks Paris has taken a turn for the
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* HarmlessVillain: {{Downplayed}}. Marinette believes that if she were the new Ladybug, she would have already made the Wish and destroyed the world. However, Marinette views her initial schtick of tall tales and lies to be so insignificant compared to the akumas that she stopped caring after a few weeks.
* ItsAllAboutMe: According to Marinette, Lila is so selfish that if she had the Earrings, she would have already stolen the Ring from Chat Noir and either made a Wish of her own or sold the Miraculouses to Hawkmoth. As far as she's concerned, the fact that the world still exists is proof-positive that Lila doesn't have the Earrings or access to the Ring.
* VillainousVirtues: Marinette notes that Lila is clever and willing to work hard for what she wants, like when she exercised and dieted extensively in order to be a model.
* ItsAllAboutMe: According to Marinette, Lila is so selfish that if she had the Earrings, she would have already stolen the Ring from Chat Noir and either made a Wish of her own or sold the Miraculouses to Hawkmoth. As far as she's concerned, the fact that the world still exists is proof-positive that Lila doesn't have the Earrings or access to the Ring.
* VillainousVirtues: Marinette notes that Lila is clever and willing to work hard for what she wants, like when she exercised and dieted extensively in order to be a model.
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* HarmlessVillain: {{Downplayed}}. Marinette believes that if she were the new Ladybug, she would have already made the Wish and destroyed the world. However, Marinette views BigBrotherWorship: She deeply loves Luka, even though he's only older than her initial schtick of tall tales and lies to be so insignificant compared to the akumas that she stopped caring after a few weeks.
* ItsAllAboutMe: According to Marinette, Lila is so selfish that if she had the Earrings, she would have already stolen the Ring from Chat Noir and either made a Wish of her own or sold the Miraculouses to Hawkmoth. As far as she's concerned, the fact that the world still exists is proof-positive that Lila doesn't have the Earrings or access to the Ring.
* VillainousVirtues: Marinette notes that Lila is clever and willing to work hard for what she wants, like when she exercised and dieted extensively in order to be a model.by five minutes.
* ItsAllAboutMe: According to Marinette, Lila is so selfish that if she had the Earrings, she would have already stolen the Ring from Chat Noir and either made a Wish of her own or sold the Miraculouses to Hawkmoth. As far as she's concerned, the fact that the world still exists is proof-positive that Lila doesn't have the Earrings or access to the Ring.
* VillainousVirtues: Marinette notes that Lila is clever and willing to work hard for what she wants, like when she exercised and dieted extensively in order to be a model.
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[[folder:Nino Lahiffe (The Bubbler, Oblivio, Shell Shock, Rocketear)]]
Alya's boyfriend, at least until her life disintegrated.
Alya's boyfriend, at least until her life disintegrated.
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Alya's boyfriend, at least until
The "Junior Ambassador" in the Italian embassy, and also a notorious liar who twists the truth in order to accrue money and power. Luka sees some similarities between her
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* CrazyJealousGuy: Marinette derides him as such, pointing out that all it took for him to get akumatized into Rocketear was seeing Alya talking to Chat Noir and leaping to all the wrong conclusions.
* LongDistanceRelationship: He tried to make this work with Alya, but it didn't pan out.
* LooseLips: Even without the risk of getting akumatized, Nino wasn't very good at keeping secrets. Such as when he invited everyone he could find to join his 'secret society' against Hawkmoth, including Gabriel Agreste.
* StartingANewLife: His family moved him out of Paris so he could reinvent himself with people who didn't associate him with the widely despised Alya.
* LongDistanceRelationship: He tried to make this work with Alya, but it didn't pan out.
* LooseLips: Even without the risk of getting akumatized, Nino wasn't very good at keeping secrets. Such as when he invited everyone he could find to join his 'secret society' against Hawkmoth, including Gabriel Agreste.
* StartingANewLife: His family moved him out of Paris so he could reinvent himself with people who didn't associate him with the widely despised Alya.
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* CrazyJealousGuy: HarmlessVillain: {{Downplayed}}. Marinette derides him as such, pointing out believes that all it took for him if she were the new Ladybug, she would have already made the Wish and destroyed the world. However, Marinette views her initial schtick of tall tales and lies to get akumatized into Rocketear was seeing Alya talking be so insignificant compared to the akumas that she stopped caring after a few weeks.
* ItsAllAboutMe: According to Marinette, Lila is so selfish that if she had the Earrings, she would have already stolen the Ring from Chat Noir andleaping to all either made a Wish of her own or sold the wrong conclusions.
* LongDistanceRelationship: He triedMiraculouses to make this Hawkmoth. As far as she's concerned, the fact that the world still exists is proof-positive that Lila doesn't have the Earrings or access to the Ring.
* VillainousVirtues: Marinette notes that Lila is clever and willing to workwith Alya, but it didn't pan out.
* LooseLips: Even without the risk of getting akumatized, Nino wasn't very good at keeping secrets. Such ashard for what she wants, like when he invited everyone he could find she exercised and dieted extensively in order to join his 'secret society' against Hawkmoth, including Gabriel Agreste.
* StartingANewLife: His family moved him out of Paris so he could reinvent himself with people who didn't associate him with the widely despised Alya.be a model.
* ItsAllAboutMe: According to Marinette, Lila is so selfish that if she had the Earrings, she would have already stolen the Ring from Chat Noir and
* LongDistanceRelationship: He tried
* VillainousVirtues: Marinette notes that Lila is clever and willing to work
* LooseLips: Even without the risk of getting akumatized, Nino wasn't very good at keeping secrets. Such as
* StartingANewLife: His family moved him out of Paris so he could reinvent himself with people who didn't associate him with the widely despised Alya.
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[[WMG:Former akumas (other Parisians)]]
[[folder:Andre Bourgeois (Malediktator)]]
Paris's corrupt mayor.
[[folder:Andre Bourgeois (Malediktator)]]
Paris's corrupt mayor.
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[[folder:Andre Bourgeois (Malediktator)]]
Paris's corrupt mayor.
Alya's boyfriend, at least until her life disintegrated.
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* AintTooProudToBeg: Frantically pleads with Luka and Marinette to help him contact the old Ladybug, admitting that he's ''desperate'' to figure out how to deal with the new one before he invokes her wrath.
* BadLiar: Tries to convince Luka and Marinette that he only wants to know who the original Ladybug was so he can thank her for her service and make sure retirement is treating her well. Even before they [[PullingTheThread pull the thread]], he's already babbled his way into exposing his ''true'' intentions.
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: He wanted a bribable Ladybug, and got one. The problem is, other people can bribe her too, so Bourgeois has to keep coming up with more and more money to keep her on his side. The other problem is, he's acutely aware that bad things could happen if he stops paying up.
* EntitledBastard: Wants to find the original Ladybug and have her replace the new one so they can return to the comfortable old status quo, while ignoring how ''un''comfortable that was for their old heroine.
* LikeFatherLikeSon: Just as selfish and entitled as his daughter; perhaps the biggest difference is that he actually ''has'' the power that she regularly abused by invoking his name.
* ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney: Along with [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections connections]] that he frequently uses to 'grease the wheels'. Attempts to use these to convince Luka and/or Marinette to point him towards the original Ladybug.
* SkewedPriorities: Considered his various vanity projects and spoiling his daughter rotten to be ''infinitely'' more important than things like taking care of his constituents' concerns or putting any measures in place to help manage the problems caused by Hawkmoth and his akumas.
* BadLiar: Tries to convince Luka and Marinette that he only wants to know who the original Ladybug was so he can thank her for her service and make sure retirement is treating her well. Even before they [[PullingTheThread pull the thread]], he's already babbled his way into exposing his ''true'' intentions.
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: He wanted a bribable Ladybug, and got one. The problem is, other people can bribe her too, so Bourgeois has to keep coming up with more and more money to keep her on his side. The other problem is, he's acutely aware that bad things could happen if he stops paying up.
* EntitledBastard: Wants to find the original Ladybug and have her replace the new one so they can return to the comfortable old status quo, while ignoring how ''un''comfortable that was for their old heroine.
* LikeFatherLikeSon: Just as selfish and entitled as his daughter; perhaps the biggest difference is that he actually ''has'' the power that she regularly abused by invoking his name.
* ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney: Along with [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections connections]] that he frequently uses to 'grease the wheels'. Attempts to use these to convince Luka and/or Marinette to point him towards the original Ladybug.
* SkewedPriorities: Considered his various vanity projects and spoiling his daughter rotten to be ''infinitely'' more important than things like taking care of his constituents' concerns or putting any measures in place to help manage the problems caused by Hawkmoth and his akumas.
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* AintTooProudToBeg: Frantically pleads with Luka and CrazyJealousGuy: Marinette to help derides him contact the old Ladybug, admitting as such, pointing out that he's ''desperate'' all it took for him to figure get akumatized into Rocketear was seeing Alya talking to Chat Noir and leaping to all the wrong conclusions.
* LongDistanceRelationship: He tried to make this work with Alya, but it didn't pan out.
* LooseLips: Even without the risk of getting akumatized, Nino wasn't very good at keeping secrets. Such as when he invited everyone he could find to join his 'secret society' against Hawkmoth, including Gabriel Agreste.
* StartingANewLife: His family moved him outhow to deal of Paris so he could reinvent himself with people who didn't associate him with the new one before he invokes her wrath.
* BadLiar: Tries to convince Luka and Marinette that he only wants to know who the original Ladybug was so he can thank her for her service and make sure retirement is treating her well. Even before they [[PullingTheThread pull the thread]], he's already babbled his way into exposing his ''true'' intentions.
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: He wanted a bribable Ladybug, and got one. The problem is, other people can bribe her too, so Bourgeois has to keep coming up with more and more money to keep her on his side. The other problem is, he's acutely aware that bad things could happen if he stops paying up.
* EntitledBastard: Wants to find the original Ladybug and have her replace the new one so they can return to the comfortable old status quo, while ignoring how ''un''comfortable that was for their old heroine.
* LikeFatherLikeSon: Just as selfish and entitled as his daughter; perhaps the biggest difference is that he actually ''has'' the power that she regularly abused by invoking his name.
* ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney: Along with [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections connections]] that he frequently uses to 'grease the wheels'. Attempts to use these to convince Luka and/or Marinette to point him towards the original Ladybug.
* SkewedPriorities: Considered his various vanity projects and spoiling his daughter rotten to be ''infinitely'' more important than things like taking care of his constituents' concerns or putting any measures in place to help manage the problems caused by Hawkmoth and his akumas.widely despised Alya.
* LongDistanceRelationship: He tried to make this work with Alya, but it didn't pan out.
* LooseLips: Even without the risk of getting akumatized, Nino wasn't very good at keeping secrets. Such as when he invited everyone he could find to join his 'secret society' against Hawkmoth, including Gabriel Agreste.
* StartingANewLife: His family moved him out
* BadLiar: Tries to convince Luka and Marinette that he only wants to know who the original Ladybug was so he can thank her for her service and make sure retirement is treating her well. Even before they [[PullingTheThread pull the thread]], he's already babbled his way into exposing his ''true'' intentions.
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: He wanted a bribable Ladybug, and got one. The problem is, other people can bribe her too, so Bourgeois has to keep coming up with more and more money to keep her on his side. The other problem is, he's acutely aware that bad things could happen if he stops paying up.
* EntitledBastard: Wants to find the original Ladybug and have her replace the new one so they can return to the comfortable old status quo, while ignoring how ''un''comfortable that was for their old heroine.
* LikeFatherLikeSon: Just as selfish and entitled as his daughter; perhaps the biggest difference is that he actually ''has'' the power that she regularly abused by invoking his name.
* ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney: Along with [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections connections]] that he frequently uses to 'grease the wheels'. Attempts to use these to convince Luka and/or Marinette to point him towards the original Ladybug.
* SkewedPriorities: Considered his various vanity projects and spoiling his daughter rotten to be ''infinitely'' more important than things like taking care of his constituents' concerns or putting any measures in place to help manage the problems caused by Hawkmoth and his akumas.
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[[folder:Bob Roth (Moolak)]]
A record producer with a penchant towards ripping off rivals.
A record producer with a penchant towards ripping off rivals.
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A
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* BadBoss: Mistreated his employees; the one who ultimately helped bring him down was akumatized into Soundstealer after Roth withheld at least two months' worth of wages for seemingly no other reason than because he ''could''.
* ConvictedByPublicOpinion: After he decided to no longer pay off Ladybug, she continued to protect him during an akuma attack... but then publicly stated that he didn't support her. The outraged public began to hate him, his musicians canceled their contracts, his business collapsed, and his life was completely destroyed.
* LaserGuidedKarma: Not wanting to pay into the new Ladybug's ProtectionRacket was understandable. His refusal to pay his own workers, less so. Both of these factors contributed to his downfall, as Ladybug took advantage of the latter to make a show of saving him right before casually remarking on his lack of support for her.
* StartingANewLife: According to the Mayor, rumor has it that he and his son were forced to spend most of their family's remaining fortune crafting new identities for themselves so they could do this.
* ConvictedByPublicOpinion: After he decided to no longer pay off Ladybug, she continued to protect him during an akuma attack... but then publicly stated that he didn't support her. The outraged public began to hate him, his musicians canceled their contracts, his business collapsed, and his life was completely destroyed.
* LaserGuidedKarma: Not wanting to pay into the new Ladybug's ProtectionRacket was understandable. His refusal to pay his own workers, less so. Both of these factors contributed to his downfall, as Ladybug took advantage of the latter to make a show of saving him right before casually remarking on his lack of support for her.
* StartingANewLife: According to the Mayor, rumor has it that he and his son were forced to spend most of their family's remaining fortune crafting new identities for themselves so they could do this.
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* BadBoss: Mistreated his employees; the one who ultimately helped bring him down was akumatized into Soundstealer after Roth withheld at least two months' worth of wages for seemingly no other reason than because he ''could''.
* ConvictedByPublicOpinion: After he decided to no longer pay off Ladybug, she continued to protect him during an akuma attack... but then publicly statedLoveMakesYouCrazy: An ubsubstantiated and false rumor that he didn't support her. The outraged public began to hate him, his musicians canceled their contracts, his business collapsed, and his life Juleka was breaking up with her caused Rose to become completely destroyed.
* LaserGuidedKarma: Not wanting to pay into the new Ladybug's ProtectionRacket was understandable. His refusal to pay his own workers, less so. Both of these factors contributed to his downfall, as Ladybug took advantage of the latter to make a show of saving him right before casually remarking on his lack of supportdistraught and run for her.
* StartingANewLife: Accordingcover while sobbing, to the Mayor, rumor has it that he and his son were forced point where Juleka expected her to spend most of their family's remaining fortune crafting new identities for themselves so they could do this.get akumatized.
* ConvictedByPublicOpinion: After he decided to no longer pay off Ladybug, she continued to protect him during an akuma attack... but then publicly stated
* LaserGuidedKarma: Not wanting to pay into the new Ladybug's ProtectionRacket was understandable. His refusal to pay his own workers, less so. Both of these factors contributed to his downfall, as Ladybug took advantage of the latter to make a show of saving him right before casually remarking on his lack of support
* StartingANewLife: According
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[[folder:Gabriel Agreste (The Collector)]]
A reclusive fashion designer with some very dark secrets.
A reclusive fashion designer with some very dark secrets.
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A reclusive fashion designer with some very dark secrets.
[[folder:Andre Bourgeois (Malediktator)]]
Paris's corrupt mayor.
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* BodyHorror: Was falling apart so badly by the time of his death that his shirt sleeve would have collapsed his arm if the funeral directors didn't put cork bark into it.
* TheFunInFuneral: Not only was his funeral crashed by Gigantitan, who shattered his coffin and left his body soaking in the mud while Ladybug sparred against the akumatized infant, his corpse was later possessed by a sentimonster to become first of the 'new wave' of akuma.
* LaserGuidedKarma: Gabriel exploited countless victims' [[MomentOfWeakness moments of weakness]] to akumatize them, and did not care about any of the pain, suffering and loss he inflicted during his reign as Hawkmoth. Not only did this eventually cost him his life, he suffered several indignities in death much like the ones he forced upon others.
* PosthumousCharacter: The fourth chapter indicates that he died about halfway between Ladybug's retirement and the present day.
* TheFunInFuneral: Not only was his funeral crashed by Gigantitan, who shattered his coffin and left his body soaking in the mud while Ladybug sparred against the akumatized infant, his corpse was later possessed by a sentimonster to become first of the 'new wave' of akuma.
* LaserGuidedKarma: Gabriel exploited countless victims' [[MomentOfWeakness moments of weakness]] to akumatize them, and did not care about any of the pain, suffering and loss he inflicted during his reign as Hawkmoth. Not only did this eventually cost him his life, he suffered several indignities in death much like the ones he forced upon others.
* PosthumousCharacter: The fourth chapter indicates that he died about halfway between Ladybug's retirement and the present day.
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* BodyHorror: Was falling apart so badly by AintTooProudToBeg: Frantically pleads with Luka and Marinette to help him contact the time of his death old Ladybug, admitting that his shirt sleeve would have collapsed his arm if he's ''desperate'' to figure out how to deal with the funeral directors didn't put cork bark into it.
new one before he invokes her wrath.
*TheFunInFuneral: Not BadLiar: Tries to convince Luka and Marinette that he only was his funeral crashed by Gigantitan, wants to know who shattered his coffin and left his body soaking in the mud while original Ladybug sparred against the akumatized infant, his corpse was later possessed by a sentimonster to become first of the 'new wave' of akuma.
* LaserGuidedKarma: Gabriel exploited countless victims' [[MomentOfWeakness moments of weakness]] to akumatize them,so he can thank her for her service and did not care about any of the pain, suffering and loss he inflicted during his reign as Hawkmoth. Not only did this eventually cost him his life, he suffered several indignities in death much like the ones he forced upon others.
* PosthumousCharacter: The fourth chapter indicates that he died about halfway between Ladybug'smake sure retirement is treating her well. Even before they [[PullingTheThread pull the thread]], he's already babbled his way into exposing his ''true'' intentions.
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: He wanted a bribable Ladybug, and got one. The problem is, other people can bribe her too, so Bourgeois has to keep coming up with more and more money to keep her on his side. The other problem is, he's acutely aware that bad things could happen if he stops paying up.
* EntitledBastard: Wants to find thepresent day. original Ladybug and have her replace the new one so they can return to the comfortable old status quo, while ignoring how ''un''comfortable that was for their old heroine.
* LikeFatherLikeSon: Just as selfish and entitled as his daughter; perhaps the biggest difference is that he actually ''has'' the power that she regularly abused by invoking his name.
* ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney: Along with [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections connections]] that he frequently uses to 'grease the wheels'. Attempts to use these to convince Luka and/or Marinette to point him towards the original Ladybug.
* SkewedPriorities: Considered his various vanity projects and spoiling his daughter rotten to be ''infinitely'' more important than things like taking care of his constituents' concerns or putting any measures in place to help manage the problems caused by Hawkmoth and his akumas.
*
* LaserGuidedKarma: Gabriel exploited countless victims' [[MomentOfWeakness moments of weakness]] to akumatize them,
* PosthumousCharacter: The fourth chapter indicates that he died about halfway between Ladybug's
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: He wanted a bribable Ladybug, and got one. The problem is, other people can bribe her too, so Bourgeois has to keep coming up with more and more money to keep her on his side. The other problem is, he's acutely aware that bad things could happen if he stops paying up.
* EntitledBastard: Wants to find the
* LikeFatherLikeSon: Just as selfish and entitled as his daughter; perhaps the biggest difference is that he actually ''has'' the power that she regularly abused by invoking his name.
* ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney: Along with [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections connections]] that he frequently uses to 'grease the wheels'. Attempts to use these to convince Luka and/or Marinette to point him towards the original Ladybug.
* SkewedPriorities: Considered his various vanity projects and spoiling his daughter rotten to be ''infinitely'' more important than things like taking care of his constituents' concerns or putting any measures in place to help manage the problems caused by Hawkmoth and his akumas.
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[[folder: "Gorilla" (Gorizilla)]]
Adrien's bodyguard, and the only remaining adult in his house after Gabriel and Nathalie meet their fates. He's trying to care for Adrien but is clearly out of his depth.
Adrien's bodyguard, and the only remaining adult in his house after Gabriel and Nathalie meet their fates. He's trying to care for Adrien but is clearly out of his depth.
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Adrien's bodyguard, and the only remaining adult in his house after Gabriel and Nathalie meet their fates. He's trying to care for Adrien but is clearly out of his depth.
A record producer with a penchant towards ripping off rivals.
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* RealMenCook: He's a muscular bodyguard who is trying to take care of Adrien's meals, though with mixed success.
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* RealMenCook: He's a muscular bodyguard BadBoss: Mistreated his employees; the one who is trying ultimately helped bring him down was akumatized into Soundstealer after Roth withheld at least two months' worth of wages for seemingly no other reason than because he ''could''.
* ConvictedByPublicOpinion: After he decided totake care no longer pay off Ladybug, she continued to protect him during an akuma attack... but then publicly stated that he didn't support her. The outraged public began to hate him, his musicians canceled their contracts, his business collapsed, and his life was completely destroyed.
* LaserGuidedKarma: Not wanting to pay into the new Ladybug's ProtectionRacket was understandable. His refusal to pay his own workers, less so. Both ofAdrien's meals, though with mixed success.these factors contributed to his downfall, as Ladybug took advantage of the latter to make a show of saving him right before casually remarking on his lack of support for her.
* StartingANewLife: According to the Mayor, rumor has it that he and his son were forced to spend most of their family's remaining fortune crafting new identities for themselves so they could do this.
* ConvictedByPublicOpinion: After he decided to
* LaserGuidedKarma: Not wanting to pay into the new Ladybug's ProtectionRacket was understandable. His refusal to pay his own workers, less so. Both of
* StartingANewLife: According to the Mayor, rumor has it that he and his son were forced to spend most of their family's remaining fortune crafting new identities for themselves so they could do this.
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[[folder:Jalil Kubdel (Pharaoh)]]
A conspiracy theorist.
A conspiracy theorist.
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A
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* ConspiracyTheorist: He believes ridiculous lies about the original Ladybug because he trusts trolls on the Internet, and helps spread that MaliciousSlander as [=LadybugSkeptic9000=].
* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: {{Downplayed}}; Marinette makes clear that while she's concerned about Mr. Kubdel's disappearance, she's not particularly bothered by the fact that Jalil vanished at the same time.
* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: {{Downplayed}}; Marinette makes clear that while she's concerned about Mr. Kubdel's disappearance, she's not particularly bothered by the fact that Jalil vanished at the same time.
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* ConspiracyTheorist: He believes ridiculous lies about BodyHorror: Was falling apart so badly by the original time of his death that his shirt sleeve would have collapsed his arm if the funeral directors didn't put cork bark into it.
* TheFunInFuneral: Not only was his funeral crashed by Gigantitan, who shattered his coffin and left his body soaking in the mud while Ladybugbecause he trusts trolls on sparred against the Internet, akumatized infant, his corpse was later possessed by a sentimonster to become first of the 'new wave' of akuma.
* LaserGuidedKarma: Gabriel exploited countless victims' [[MomentOfWeakness moments of weakness]] to akumatize them, andhelps spread that MaliciousSlander as [=LadybugSkeptic9000=].
* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: {{Downplayed}}; Marinette makes clear that while she's concerneddid not care about Mr. Kubdel's disappearance, she's not particularly bothered by any of the fact pain, suffering and loss he inflicted during his reign as Hawkmoth. Not only did this eventually cost him his life, he suffered several indignities in death much like the ones he forced upon others.
* PosthumousCharacter: The fourth chapter indicates thatJalil vanished at he died about halfway between Ladybug's retirement and the same time.present day.
* TheFunInFuneral: Not only was his funeral crashed by Gigantitan, who shattered his coffin and left his body soaking in the mud while Ladybug
* LaserGuidedKarma: Gabriel exploited countless victims' [[MomentOfWeakness moments of weakness]] to akumatize them, and
* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: {{Downplayed}}; Marinette makes clear that while she's concerned
* PosthumousCharacter: The fourth chapter indicates that
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[[folder:Nadja Chamack (Prime Queen)]]
A news reporter who seems to have taken over the city's 'Ladybug beat' after the Ladyblog went down in flames.
A news reporter who seems to have taken over the city's 'Ladybug beat' after the Ladyblog went down in flames.
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A news reporter who seems to have taken over
Adrien's bodyguard, and the
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Nadja wanted to hound the heroes for details about their personal lives, and [[NeverMyFault blamed Ladybug]] for rejecting her prying, leading line of questioning. Now she has a Ladybug who gladly gossips about herself every single day, at the cost of her reputation.
* EntitledBitch: Insists that the original Ladybug would have to help her simply because "she's a hero", despite how much she disrespected her before.
* LaserGuidedKarma: When she interviewed Marinette, all she cared about was ratings, to the point where she asked invasive and offensive questions that drove Marinette away. The new Ladybug, on the other hand, is great for ratings... but only by virtue of showing off a string of hot boyfriends and exploiting her fans' fanatical devotion to her. Nadja can't do any real news reports on the new Ladybug for fear of the new hero going to some other station and taking her ratings with her, and she can't get a job elsewhere because nobody else trusts her to do real news anymore, so she's forced to spend every day nodding along with Ladybug's vacuous gossip and shilling her products while the real stories she knows go untold.
* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she's saying all of this while still insisting that the old Ladybug has to come back and help her because "she's a hero".
* {{Paparazzi}}: Conducted herself like one while dealing with the original Ladybug, acting entitled to 'juicy details' about her private life. She also contributed to the media voices criticizing her, picking apart every mistake she made.
* PropagandaMachine: Has unwillingly become part of the new Ladybug's propaganda machine, as her superiors don't want to risk losing favor.
* EntitledBitch: Insists that the original Ladybug would have to help her simply because "she's a hero", despite how much she disrespected her before.
* LaserGuidedKarma: When she interviewed Marinette, all she cared about was ratings, to the point where she asked invasive and offensive questions that drove Marinette away. The new Ladybug, on the other hand, is great for ratings... but only by virtue of showing off a string of hot boyfriends and exploiting her fans' fanatical devotion to her. Nadja can't do any real news reports on the new Ladybug for fear of the new hero going to some other station and taking her ratings with her, and she can't get a job elsewhere because nobody else trusts her to do real news anymore, so she's forced to spend every day nodding along with Ladybug's vacuous gossip and shilling her products while the real stories she knows go untold.
* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she's saying all of this while still insisting that the old Ladybug has to come back and help her because "she's a hero".
* {{Paparazzi}}: Conducted herself like one while dealing with the original Ladybug, acting entitled to 'juicy details' about her private life. She also contributed to the media voices criticizing her, picking apart every mistake she made.
* PropagandaMachine: Has unwillingly become part of the new Ladybug's propaganda machine, as her superiors don't want to risk losing favor.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Nadja wanted to hound the heroes for details about their personal lives, and [[NeverMyFault blamed Ladybug]] for rejecting her prying, leading line of questioning. Now she has RealMenCook: He's a Ladybug muscular bodyguard who gladly gossips about herself every single day, at the cost is trying to take care of her reputation.
* EntitledBitch: Insists that the original Ladybug would have to help her simply because "she's a hero", despite how much she disrespected her before.
* LaserGuidedKarma: When she interviewed Marinette, all she cared about was ratings, to the point where she asked invasive and offensive questions that drove Marinette away. The new Ladybug, on the other hand, is great for ratings... but only by virtue of showing off a string of hot boyfriends and exploiting her fans' fanatical devotion to her. Nadja can't do any real news reports on the new Ladybug for fear of the new hero going to some other station and taking her ratingsAdrien's meals, though with her, and she can't get a job elsewhere because nobody else trusts her to do real news anymore, so she's forced to spend every day nodding along with Ladybug's vacuous gossip and shilling her products while the real stories she knows go untold.
* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she's saying all of this while still insisting that the old Ladybug has to come back and help her because "she's a hero".
* {{Paparazzi}}: Conducted herself like one while dealing with the original Ladybug, acting entitled to 'juicy details' about her private life. She also contributed to the media voices criticizing her, picking apart every mistake she made.
* PropagandaMachine: Has unwillingly become part of the new Ladybug's propaganda machine, as her superiors don't want to risk losing favor.mixed success.
* EntitledBitch: Insists that the original Ladybug would have to help her simply because "she's a hero", despite how much she disrespected her before.
* LaserGuidedKarma: When she interviewed Marinette, all she cared about was ratings, to the point where she asked invasive and offensive questions that drove Marinette away. The new Ladybug, on the other hand, is great for ratings... but only by virtue of showing off a string of hot boyfriends and exploiting her fans' fanatical devotion to her. Nadja can't do any real news reports on the new Ladybug for fear of the new hero going to some other station and taking her ratings
* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she's saying all of this while still insisting that the old Ladybug has to come back and help her because "she's a hero".
* {{Paparazzi}}: Conducted herself like one while dealing with the original Ladybug, acting entitled to 'juicy details' about her private life. She also contributed to the media voices criticizing her, picking apart every mistake she made.
* PropagandaMachine: Has unwillingly become part of the new Ladybug's propaganda machine, as her superiors don't want to risk losing favor.
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[[folder:Nathalie Sancoeur (Catalyst, Safari)]]
Gabriel's assistant, companion, and partner in crime. She sacrificed her health helping Gabriel to pursue his dream, but that was only the beginning of her losses.
Gabriel's assistant, companion, and partner in crime. She sacrificed her health helping Gabriel to pursue his dream, but that was only the beginning of her losses.
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Gabriel's assistant, companion, and partner in crime. She sacrificed her health helping Gabriel to pursue his dream, but that was only the beginning of her losses.
A conspiracy theorist.
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* PosthumousCharacter: She's dead, and according to Adrien, her death was even more horrific than Gabriel's.
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* PosthumousCharacter: She's dead, ConspiracyTheorist: He believes ridiculous lies about the original Ladybug because he trusts trolls on the Internet, and according to Adrien, her death was even more horrific than Gabriel's.helps spread that MaliciousSlander as [=LadybugSkeptic9000=].
* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: {{Downplayed}}; Marinette makes clear that while she's concerned about Mr. Kubdel's disappearance, she's not particularly bothered by the fact that Jalil vanished at the same time.
* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: {{Downplayed}}; Marinette makes clear that while she's concerned about Mr. Kubdel's disappearance, she's not particularly bothered by the fact that Jalil vanished at the same time.
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[[folder:Theo Barbot (Copycat)]]
A talented sculptor who fervently hoped for Ladybug to take an interest in him. He got what he wished for, in the worst way possible.
A talented sculptor who fervently hoped for Ladybug to take an interest in him. He got what he wished for, in the worst way possible.
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A
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Barbot wanted the original Ladybug to be interested in him and was very upset when she didn't, going so far as to get akumatized under the belief that he could just take Chat Noir's place to get Ladybug's affections. After the new Ladybug took over, Theo got the job of carving several sculptures of her, and he knew she'd pay close attention... because she'd want to know if his art didn't 'flatter' her enough so she could then destroy his life.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Barbot Nadja wanted to hound the heroes for details about their personal lives, and [[NeverMyFault blamed Ladybug]] for rejecting her prying, leading line of questioning. Now she has a Ladybug who gladly gossips about herself every single day, at the cost of her reputation.
* EntitledBitch: Insists that the original Ladybug would have tobe interested in him help her simply because "she's a hero", despite how much she disrespected her before.
* LaserGuidedKarma: When she interviewed Marinette, all she cared about was ratings, to the point where she asked invasive andwas very upset when she didn't, going so far as to get akumatized under the belief offensive questions that he could just take Chat Noir's place drove Marinette away. The new Ladybug, on the other hand, is great for ratings... but only by virtue of showing off a string of hot boyfriends and exploiting her fans' fanatical devotion to get Ladybug's affections. After her. Nadja can't do any real news reports on the new Ladybug took over, Theo got for fear of the job of carving several sculptures of new hero going to some other station and taking her ratings with her, and he knew she'd pay close attention... she can't get a job elsewhere because she'd nobody else trusts her to do real news anymore, so she's forced to spend every day nodding along with Ladybug's vacuous gossip and shilling her products while the real stories she knows go untold.
* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she's saying all of this while still insisting that the old Ladybug has to come back and help her because "she's a hero".
* {{Paparazzi}}: Conducted herself like one while dealing with the original Ladybug, acting entitled to 'juicy details' about her private life. She also contributed to the media voices criticizing her, picking apart every mistake she made.
* PropagandaMachine: Has unwillingly become part of the new Ladybug's propaganda machine, as her superiors don't want toknow if his art didn't 'flatter' her enough so she could then destroy his life.risk losing favor.
* EntitledBitch: Insists that the original Ladybug would have to
* LaserGuidedKarma: When she interviewed Marinette, all she cared about was ratings, to the point where she asked invasive and
* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she's saying all of this while still insisting that the old Ladybug has to come back and help her because "she's a hero".
* {{Paparazzi}}: Conducted herself like one while dealing with the original Ladybug, acting entitled to 'juicy details' about her private life. She also contributed to the media voices criticizing her, picking apart every mistake she made.
* PropagandaMachine: Has unwillingly become part of the new Ladybug's propaganda machine, as her superiors don't want to
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[[folder:Tom Dupain (Weredad) and Sabine Cheng (Qilin)]]
Marinette's parents. They love her. Her feelings towards them are more complicated.
Marinette's parents. They love her. Her feelings towards them are more complicated.
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Gabriel's assistant, companion, and
Marinette's parents. They love her. Her feelings towards them are more complicated.
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* DotingParent: Both are clearly trying hard to support and love their daughter.
* MisplacedRetribution: On the receiving end of this. Marinette still resents the way both got akumatized for [[DisappointedByTheMotive petty reasons]]. Luka notes that ''resisting'' akumatization [[MoreThanMindControl isn't easy]], and that it's not something [[VillainPossessedBystander they willingly chose]].
* MisplacedRetribution: On the receiving end of this. Marinette still resents the way both got akumatized for [[DisappointedByTheMotive petty reasons]]. Luka notes that ''resisting'' akumatization [[MoreThanMindControl isn't easy]], and that it's not something [[VillainPossessedBystander they willingly chose]].
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* DotingParent: Both are clearly trying hard to support PosthumousCharacter: She's dead, and love their daughter.
* MisplacedRetribution: On the receiving end of this. Marinette still resents the way both got akumatized for [[DisappointedByTheMotive petty reasons]]. Luka notes that ''resisting'' akumatization [[MoreThanMindControl isn't easy]], and that it's not something [[VillainPossessedBystander they willingly chose]].according to Adrien, her death was even more horrific than Gabriel's.
* MisplacedRetribution: On the receiving end of this. Marinette still resents the way both got akumatized for [[DisappointedByTheMotive petty reasons]]. Luka notes that ''resisting'' akumatization [[MoreThanMindControl isn't easy]], and that it's not something [[VillainPossessedBystander they willingly chose]].
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[[folder:Veronique (Manipula)]]
A museum curator who's moving up in the world, for better and for worse.
A museum curator who's moving up in the world, for better and for worse.
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A
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: She flipped out when Bourgeois shut down her previous exhibit on the miraculous heroes. Now she gets to run such an exhibit like she said she wanted, but thanks to the new Ladybug, she has no actual control over it.
* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka notes that it's wrong for Marinette to scare her or even be mad at her over her one akumatization, which was done for a sympathetic reason and which doesn't change her fundamentally decent nature.
* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka notes that it's wrong for Marinette to scare her or even be mad at her over her one akumatization, which was done for a sympathetic reason and which doesn't change her fundamentally decent nature.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: She flipped out Barbot wanted the original Ladybug to be interested in him and was very upset when Bourgeois shut down her previous exhibit on she didn't, going so far as to get akumatized under the miraculous heroes. Now she gets belief that he could just take Chat Noir's place to run such an exhibit like she said she wanted, but thanks to get Ladybug's affections. After the new Ladybug, Ladybug took over, Theo got the job of carving several sculptures of her, and he knew she'd pay close attention... because she'd want to know if his art didn't 'flatter' her enough so she has no actual control over it.
* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka notes that it's wrong for Marinette to scare her or even be mad at her over her one akumatization, which was done for a sympathetic reason and which doesn't change her fundamentally decent nature.could then destroy his life.
* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka notes that it's wrong for Marinette to scare her or even be mad at her over her one akumatization, which was done for a sympathetic reason and which doesn't change her fundamentally decent nature.
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[[folder:Felix Fathom]]
Adrien's cousin who cut a deal with Hawkmoth, only to find multiple governments seeking his arrest. This may have pushed him to take... drastic actions.
[[folder:Felix Fathom]]
Adrien's cousin who cut a deal with Hawkmoth, only to find multiple governments seeking his arrest. This may have pushed him to take... drastic actions.
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[[folder:Felix Fathom]]
Adrien's cousin who cut a deal with Hawkmoth, only to find multiple governments seeking his arrest. This may have pushed him to take... drastic actions.
Marinette's parents. They love her. Her feelings towards them are more complicated.
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* FakingTheDead: Adrien thinks he is doing this, though there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it.
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* FakingTheDead: Adrien thinks he is doing this, though there doesn't seem DotingParent: Both are clearly trying hard to be any evidence support and love their daughter.
* MisplacedRetribution: On the receiving end ofit.this. Marinette still resents the way both got akumatized for [[DisappointedByTheMotive petty reasons]]. Luka notes that ''resisting'' akumatization [[MoreThanMindControl isn't easy]], and that it's not something [[VillainPossessedBystander they willingly chose]].
* MisplacedRetribution: On the receiving end of
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[[folder:Su-Han]]
A member of the Order of the Miraculous who wants to address the problems of Paris, but whose methods may be questionable.
A member of the Order of the Miraculous who wants to address the problems of Paris, but whose methods may be questionable.
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A
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* JurisdictionFriction: According to Adrien, the Guardians cannot extradite the new Ladybug because they don't have enough evidence on her, so they just want Adrien to fight her and take her miraculous.
* LetsYouAndHimFight: According to Adrien, Su-Han wants him to fight Ladybug, and there's no sign Su-Han wishes to participate in the battle himself.
* LetsYouAndHimFight: According to Adrien, Su-Han wants him to fight Ladybug, and there's no sign Su-Han wishes to participate in the battle himself.
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* JurisdictionFriction: According to Adrien, BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: She flipped out when Bourgeois shut down her previous exhibit on the Guardians cannot extradite miraculous heroes. Now she gets to run such an exhibit like she said she wanted, but thanks to the new Ladybug because they don't have enough evidence on her, so they just want Adrien to fight her and take her miraculous.
* LetsYouAndHimFight: According to Adrien, Su-Han wants him to fightLadybug, she has no actual control over it.
* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka notes that it's wrong for Marinette to scare her or even be mad at her over her one akumatization, which was done for a sympathetic reason andthere's no sign Su-Han wishes to participate in the battle himself.which doesn't change her fundamentally decent nature.
* LetsYouAndHimFight: According to Adrien, Su-Han wants him to fight
* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka notes that it's wrong for Marinette to scare her or even be mad at her over her one akumatization, which was done for a sympathetic reason and
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[[folder:Felix Fathom]]
Adrien's cousin who cut a deal with Hawkmoth, only to find multiple governments seeking his arrest. This may have pushed him to take... drastic actions.
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* FakingTheDead: Adrien thinks he is doing this, though there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it.
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[[folder:Socqueline Wang]]
A former friend of Marinette's who is dating Kagami, and who has a dangerous secret.
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* LaResistance: According to Juleka, Socqueline is trying to be heroic by participating in Kagami's anti-Ladybug resistance.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Su-Han]]
A member of the Order of the Miraculous who wants to address the problems of Paris, but whose methods may be questionable.
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* JurisdictionFriction: According to Adrien, the Guardians cannot extradite the new Ladybug because they don't have enough evidence on her, so they just want Adrien to fight her and take her miraculous.
* LetsYouAndHimFight: According to Adrien, Su-Han wants him to fight Ladybug, and there's no sign Su-Han wishes to participate in the battle himself.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Felix Fathom]]
Adrien's cousin who cut a deal with Hawkmoth, only to find multiple governments seeking his arrest. This may have pushed him to take... drastic actions.
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* FakingTheDead: Adrien thinks he is doing this, though there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Socqueline Wang]]
A former friend of Marinette's who is dating Kagami, and who has a dangerous secret.
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* LaResistance: According to Juleka, Socqueline is trying to be heroic by participating in Kagami's anti-Ladybug resistance.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Su-Han]]
A member of the Order of the Miraculous who wants to address the problems of Paris, but whose methods may be questionable.
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* JurisdictionFriction: According to Adrien, the Guardians cannot extradite the new Ladybug because they don't have enough evidence on her, so they just want Adrien to fight her and take her miraculous.
* LetsYouAndHimFight: According to Adrien, Su-Han wants him to fight Ladybug, and there's no sign Su-Han wishes to participate in the battle himself.
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* EngineeredHeroics: {{Downplayed}}. According to Alya, her fight with Music Band-It involved her faking its difficulty.
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* EngineeredHeroics: {{Downplayed}}. According to Alya, her fight with Music Band-It involved her faking its difficulty.
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* NotYourProblem: Bourgeois says that Chat Noir doesn't seem to care about the new Ladybug's grifting, though he's not sure why.
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* LegacyCharacter: Not Adrien as he had the Ring taken away from him by Marinette.
* NotYourProblem: Mayor Bourgeois says that Chat Noir doesn't seem to care about the new Ladybug's grifting, though he's not sure why.
* NotYourProblem: Mayor Bourgeois says that Chat Noir doesn't seem to care about the new Ladybug's grifting, though he's not sure why.
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* LaserGuidedKarma: Treated his superhero life as an escape and didn't take his duties seriously, forcing his partner to take on all the stress and responsibility. Now the only thing he has in his life is the pursuit of justice against the woman his partner handed the reigns to when she quit.
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* BodyHorror: Was falling apart so badly by the time of his death that his shirt sleeve would have collapsed his arm if the funeral directors didn't put cork bark into it.
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[[folder:Felix Fathom]]
Adrien's cousin who cut a deal with Hawkmoth, only to find multiple governments seeking his arrest. This may have pushed him to take... drastic actions.
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* FakingTheDead: Adrien thinks he is doing this, though there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Su-Han]]
A member of the Order of the Miraculous who wants to address the problems of Paris, but whose methods may be questionable.
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* JurisdictionFriction: According to Adrien, the Guardians cannot extradite the new Ladybug because they don't have enough evidence on her, so they just want Adrien to fight her and take her miraculous.
* LetsYouAndHimFight: According to Adrien, Su-Han wants him to fight Ladybug, and there's no sign Su-Han wishes to participate in the battle himself.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Felix Fathom]]
Adrien's cousin who cut a deal with Hawkmoth, only to find multiple governments seeking his arrest. This may have pushed him to take... drastic actions.
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* FakingTheDead: Adrien thinks he is doing this, though there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Su-Han]]
A member of the Order of the Miraculous who wants to address the problems of Paris, but whose methods may be questionable.
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* JurisdictionFriction: According to Adrien, the Guardians cannot extradite the new Ladybug because they don't have enough evidence on her, so they just want Adrien to fight her and take her miraculous.
* LetsYouAndHimFight: According to Adrien, Su-Han wants him to fight Ladybug, and there's no sign Su-Han wishes to participate in the battle himself.
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[[folder:Kagami Tsurugi (Riposte, Oni-Chan, Lies)]]
A skilled fencer whom Luka thinks Marinette may have considered to be the new Ladybug.
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* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka thinks Kagami is fundamentally a good person, and is surprised when Marinette implies she wouldn't have chosen her simply because of [[DisappointedByTheMotive how she got akumatized into Riposte]]. That being said, Marinette is also sure that Kagami would be too honorable to ever pull the grift that the current Ladybug is.
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A skilled fencer whom Luka thinks Marinette may have considered to be the new Ladybug.
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* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka thinks Kagami is fundamentally a good person, and is surprised when Marinette implies she wouldn't have chosen her simply because of [[DisappointedByTheMotive how she got akumatized into Riposte]]. That being said, Marinette is also sure that Kagami would be too honorable to ever pull the grift that the current Ladybug is.
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[[folder:Kagami Tsurugi (Riposte, Oni-Chan, Lies)]]
A skilled fencer whom Luka thinks Marinette may have considered to be the new Ladybug.
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* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka thinks Kagami is fundamentally a good person, and is surprised when Marinette implies she wouldn't have chosen her simply because of [[DisappointedByTheMotive how she got akumatized into Riposte]]. That being said, Marinette is also sure that Kagami would be too honorable to ever pull the grift that the current Ladybug is.
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A skilled fencer whom Luka thinks Marinette may have considered to be the new Ladybug.
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* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka thinks Kagami is fundamentally a good person, and is surprised when Marinette implies she wouldn't have chosen her simply because of [[DisappointedByTheMotive how she got akumatized into Riposte]]. That being said, Marinette is also sure that Kagami would be too honorable to ever pull the grift that the current Ladybug is.
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[[folder:Adrien Agreste (Chat Blanc, Ephemeral)]]
The son of famous fashion designer Gabriel Agreste and the former holder of the Black Cat Miraculous, Adrien used to have everything going for him. A series of tragedies have shaken him to his core, but he hasn't given up hope of getting back at least some of what he lost--no matter what it takes.
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* DissonantSerenity: He acts like he's very calm about most of his family dying and him losing his Miraculous, but Marinette thinks this is just a mask to bury his pain, anger, and knowledge that he was responsible for at least some of the problems in his life. Indeed, during their talk, his mask slips when Marinette calls him out on his behavior.
[[/folder]]
The son of famous fashion designer Gabriel Agreste and the former holder of the Black Cat Miraculous, Adrien used to have everything going for him. A series of tragedies have shaken him to his core, but he hasn't given up hope of getting back at least some of what he lost--no matter what it takes.
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* DissonantSerenity: He acts like he's very calm about most of his family dying and him losing his Miraculous, but Marinette thinks this is just a mask to bury his pain, anger, and knowledge that he was responsible for at least some of the problems in his life. Indeed, during their talk, his mask slips when Marinette calls him out on his behavior.
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[[folder:Tom Dupain (Weredad) and Sabine Cheng (Qilin)]]
Marinette's parents. They love her. Her feelings towards them are more complicated.
Marinette's parents. They love her. Her feelings towards them are more complicated.
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Marinette's parents. They love her. Her feelings towards them are more complicated.
Paris's corrupt mayor.
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* DotingParent: Both are clearly trying hard to support and love their daughter.
* MisplacedRetribution: On the receiving end of this. Marinette still resents the way both got akumatized for [[DisappointedByTheMotive petty reasons]]. Luka notes that ''resisting'' akumatization [[MoreThanMindControl isn't easy]], and that it's not something [[VillainPossessedBystander they willingly chose]].
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[[folder:Andre Bourgeois (Malediktator)]]
Paris's corrupt mayor.
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* MisplacedRetribution: On the receiving end of this. Marinette still resents the way both got akumatized for [[DisappointedByTheMotive petty reasons]]. Luka notes that ''resisting'' akumatization [[MoreThanMindControl isn't easy]], and that it's not something [[VillainPossessedBystander they willingly chose]].
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[[folder:Andre Bourgeois (Malediktator)]]
Paris's corrupt mayor.
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[[folder:Theo Barbot (Copycat)]]
A talented sculptor who fervently hoped for Ladybug to take an interest in him. He got what he wished for, in the worst way possible.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Barbot wanted the original Ladybug to be interested in him and was very upset when she didn't, going so far as to get akumatized under the belief that he could just take Chat Noir's place to get Ladybug's affections. After the new Ladybug took over, Theo got the job of carving several sculptures of her, and he knew she'd pay close attention... because she'd want to know if his art didn't 'flatter' her enough so she could then destroy his life.
[[/folder]]
A talented sculptor who fervently hoped for Ladybug to take an interest in him. He got what he wished for, in the worst way possible.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Barbot wanted the original Ladybug to be interested in him and was very upset when she didn't, going so far as to get akumatized under the belief that he could just take Chat Noir's place to get Ladybug's affections. After the new Ladybug took over, Theo got the job of carving several sculptures of her, and he knew she'd pay close attention... because she'd want to know if his art didn't 'flatter' her enough so she could then destroy his life.
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[[folder:Nadja Chamack (Prime Queen)]]
A news reporter who seems to have taken over the city's 'Ladybug beat' after the Ladyblog went down in flames.
A news reporter who seems to have taken over the city's 'Ladybug beat' after the Ladyblog went down in flames.
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A news reporter who seems to have taken over
Adrien's bodyguard, and the
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Nadja wanted to hound the heroes for details about their personal lives, and [[NeverMyFault blamed Ladybug]] for rejecting her prying, leading line of questioning. Now she has a Ladybug who gladly gossips about herself every single day, at the cost of her reputation.
* EntitledBitch: Insists that the original Ladybug would have to help her simply because "she's a hero", despite how much she disrespected her before.
* LaserGuidedKarma: When she interviewed Marinette, all she cared about was ratings, to the point where she asked invasive and offensive questions that drove Marinette away. The new Ladybug, on the other hand, is great for ratings... but only by virtue of showing off a string of hot boyfriends and exploiting her fans' fanatical devotion to her. Nadja can't do any real news reports on the new Ladybug for fear of the new hero going to some other station and taking her ratings with her, and she can't get a job elsewhere because nobody else trusts her to do real news anymore, so she's forced to spend every day nodding along with Ladybug's vacuous gossip and shilling her products while the real stories she knows go untold.
* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she's saying all of this while still insisting that the old Ladybug has to come back and help her because "she's a hero".
* {{Paparazzi}}: Conducted herself like one while dealing with the original Ladybug, acting entitled to 'juicy details' about her private life. She also contributed to the media voices criticizing her, picking apart every mistake she made.
* PropagandaMachine: Has unwillingly become part of the new Ladybug's propaganda machine, as her superiors don't want to risk losing favor.
* EntitledBitch: Insists that the original Ladybug would have to help her simply because "she's a hero", despite how much she disrespected her before.
* LaserGuidedKarma: When she interviewed Marinette, all she cared about was ratings, to the point where she asked invasive and offensive questions that drove Marinette away. The new Ladybug, on the other hand, is great for ratings... but only by virtue of showing off a string of hot boyfriends and exploiting her fans' fanatical devotion to her. Nadja can't do any real news reports on the new Ladybug for fear of the new hero going to some other station and taking her ratings with her, and she can't get a job elsewhere because nobody else trusts her to do real news anymore, so she's forced to spend every day nodding along with Ladybug's vacuous gossip and shilling her products while the real stories she knows go untold.
* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she's saying all of this while still insisting that the old Ladybug has to come back and help her because "she's a hero".
* {{Paparazzi}}: Conducted herself like one while dealing with the original Ladybug, acting entitled to 'juicy details' about her private life. She also contributed to the media voices criticizing her, picking apart every mistake she made.
* PropagandaMachine: Has unwillingly become part of the new Ladybug's propaganda machine, as her superiors don't want to risk losing favor.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Nadja wanted to hound the heroes for details about their personal lives, and [[NeverMyFault blamed Ladybug]] for rejecting her prying, leading line of questioning. Now she has RealMenCook: He's a Ladybug muscular bodyguard who gladly gossips about herself every single day, at the cost is trying to take care of her reputation.
* EntitledBitch: Insists that the original Ladybug would have to help her simply because "she's a hero", despite how much she disrespected her before.
* LaserGuidedKarma: When she interviewed Marinette, all she cared about was ratings, to the point where she asked invasive and offensive questions that drove Marinette away. The new Ladybug, on the other hand, is great for ratings... but only by virtue of showing off a string of hot boyfriends and exploiting her fans' fanatical devotion to her. Nadja can't do any real news reports on the new Ladybug for fear of the new hero going to some other station and taking her ratingsAdrien's meals, though with her, and she can't get a job elsewhere because nobody else trusts her to do real news anymore, so she's forced to spend every day nodding along with Ladybug's vacuous gossip and shilling her products while the real stories she knows go untold.
* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she's saying all of this while still insisting that the old Ladybug has to come back and help her because "she's a hero".
* {{Paparazzi}}: Conducted herself like one while dealing with the original Ladybug, acting entitled to 'juicy details' about her private life. She also contributed to the media voices criticizing her, picking apart every mistake she made.
* PropagandaMachine: Has unwillingly become part of the new Ladybug's propaganda machine, as her superiors don't want to risk losing favor.mixed success.
* EntitledBitch: Insists that the original Ladybug would have to help her simply because "she's a hero", despite how much she disrespected her before.
* LaserGuidedKarma: When she interviewed Marinette, all she cared about was ratings, to the point where she asked invasive and offensive questions that drove Marinette away. The new Ladybug, on the other hand, is great for ratings... but only by virtue of showing off a string of hot boyfriends and exploiting her fans' fanatical devotion to her. Nadja can't do any real news reports on the new Ladybug for fear of the new hero going to some other station and taking her ratings
* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she's saying all of this while still insisting that the old Ladybug has to come back and help her because "she's a hero".
* {{Paparazzi}}: Conducted herself like one while dealing with the original Ladybug, acting entitled to 'juicy details' about her private life. She also contributed to the media voices criticizing her, picking apart every mistake she made.
* PropagandaMachine: Has unwillingly become part of the new Ladybug's propaganda machine, as her superiors don't want to risk losing favor.
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A museum curator who's moving up in the world, for better and for worse.
A museum curator who's moving up in the world, for better and for worse.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: She flipped out when Bourgeois shut down her previous exhibit on the miraculous heroes. Now she gets to run such an exhibit like she said she wanted, but thanks to the new Ladybug, she has no actual control over it.
* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka notes that it's wrong for Marinette to scare her or even be mad at her over her one akumatization, which was done for a sympathetic reason and which doesn't change her fundamentally decent nature.
* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka notes that it's wrong for Marinette to scare her or even be mad at her over her one akumatization, which was done for a sympathetic reason and which doesn't change her fundamentally decent nature.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: She flipped out when Bourgeois shut down her previous exhibit ConspiracyTheorist: He believes ridiculous lies about the original Ladybug because he trusts trolls on the miraculous heroes. Now she gets to run such an exhibit like she said she wanted, but thanks to the new Ladybug, she has no actual control over it.
* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka notesInternet, and helps spread that it's wrong for MaliciousSlander as [=LadybugSkeptic9000=].
* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: {{Downplayed}}; Marinetteto scare her or even be mad makes clear that while she's concerned about Mr. Kubdel's disappearance, she's not particularly bothered by the fact that Jalil vanished at her over her one akumatization, which was done for a sympathetic reason and which doesn't change her fundamentally decent nature.the same time.
* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka notes
* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: {{Downplayed}}; Marinette
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A conspiracy theorist.
A conspiracy theorist.
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* ConspiracyTheorist: He believes ridiculous lies about the original Ladybug because he trusts trolls on the Internet, and helps spread that MaliciousSlander as [=LadybugSkeptic9000=].
* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: {{Downplayed}}; Marinette makes clear that while she's concerned about Mr. Kubdel's disappearance, she's not particularly bothered by the fact that Jalil vanished at the same time.
* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: {{Downplayed}}; Marinette makes clear that while she's concerned about Mr. Kubdel's disappearance, she's not particularly bothered by the fact that Jalil vanished at the same time.
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* ConspiracyTheorist: He believes ridiculous lies BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Nadja wanted to hound the heroes for details about their personal lives, and [[NeverMyFault blamed Ladybug]] for rejecting her prying, leading line of questioning. Now she has a Ladybug who gladly gossips about herself every single day, at the cost of her reputation.
* EntitledBitch: Insists that the original Ladybug would have to help her simply becausehe trusts trolls on "she's a hero", despite how much she disrespected her before.
* LaserGuidedKarma: When she interviewed Marinette, all she cared about was ratings, to theInternet, point where she asked invasive and helps spread offensive questions that MaliciousSlander as [=LadybugSkeptic9000=].
* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: {{Downplayed}};drove Marinette makes clear that while away. The new Ladybug, on the other hand, is great for ratings... but only by virtue of showing off a string of hot boyfriends and exploiting her fans' fanatical devotion to her. Nadja can't do any real news reports on the new Ladybug for fear of the new hero going to some other station and taking her ratings with her, and she can't get a job elsewhere because nobody else trusts her to do real news anymore, so she's concerned about Mr. Kubdel's disappearance, forced to spend every day nodding along with Ladybug's vacuous gossip and shilling her products while the real stories she knows go untold.
* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she'snot particularly bothered by the fact saying all of this while still insisting that Jalil vanished at the same time.old Ladybug has to come back and help her because "she's a hero".
* {{Paparazzi}}: Conducted herself like one while dealing with the original Ladybug, acting entitled to 'juicy details' about her private life. She also contributed to the media voices criticizing her, picking apart every mistake she made.
* PropagandaMachine: Has unwillingly become part of the new Ladybug's propaganda machine, as her superiors don't want to risk losing favor.
* EntitledBitch: Insists that the original Ladybug would have to help her simply because
* LaserGuidedKarma: When she interviewed Marinette, all she cared about was ratings, to the
* MyFriendsAndZoidberg: {{Downplayed}};
* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she's
* {{Paparazzi}}: Conducted herself like one while dealing with the original Ladybug, acting entitled to 'juicy details' about her private life. She also contributed to the media voices criticizing her, picking apart every mistake she made.
* PropagandaMachine: Has unwillingly become part of the new Ladybug's propaganda machine, as her superiors don't want to risk losing favor.
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[[folder:Nathalie Sancoeur (Catalyst, Safari)]]
Gabriel's assistant, companion, and partner in crime. She sacrificed her health helping Gabriel to pursue his dream, but that was only the beginning of her losses.
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* PosthumousCharacter: She's dead, and according to Adrien, her death was even more horrific than Gabriel's.
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[[folder:Theo Barbot (Copycat)]]
A talented sculptor who fervently hoped for Ladybug to take an interest in him. He got what he wished for, in the worst way possible.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Barbot wanted the original Ladybug to be interested in him and was very upset when she didn't, going so far as to get akumatized under the belief that he could just take Chat Noir's place to get Ladybug's affections. After the new Ladybug took over, Theo got the job of carving several sculptures of her, and he knew she'd pay close attention... because she'd want to know if his art didn't 'flatter' her enough so she could then destroy his life.
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[[folder:Tom Dupain (Weredad) and Sabine Cheng (Qilin)]]
Marinette's parents. They love her. Her feelings towards them are more complicated.
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* DotingParent: Both are clearly trying hard to support and love their daughter.
* MisplacedRetribution: On the receiving end of this. Marinette still resents the way both got akumatized for [[DisappointedByTheMotive petty reasons]]. Luka notes that ''resisting'' akumatization [[MoreThanMindControl isn't easy]], and that it's not something [[VillainPossessedBystander they willingly chose]].
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[[folder:Veronique (Manipula)]]
A museum curator who's moving up in the world, for better and for worse.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: She flipped out when Bourgeois shut down her previous exhibit on the miraculous heroes. Now she gets to run such an exhibit like she said she wanted, but thanks to the new Ladybug, she has no actual control over it.
* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka notes that it's wrong for Marinette to scare her or even be mad at her over her one akumatization, which was done for a sympathetic reason and which doesn't change her fundamentally decent nature.
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Gabriel's assistant, companion, and partner in crime. She sacrificed her health helping Gabriel to pursue his dream, but that was only the beginning of her losses.
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* PosthumousCharacter: She's dead, and according to Adrien, her death was even more horrific than Gabriel's.
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[[folder:Theo Barbot (Copycat)]]
A talented sculptor who fervently hoped for Ladybug to take an interest in him. He got what he wished for, in the worst way possible.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Barbot wanted the original Ladybug to be interested in him and was very upset when she didn't, going so far as to get akumatized under the belief that he could just take Chat Noir's place to get Ladybug's affections. After the new Ladybug took over, Theo got the job of carving several sculptures of her, and he knew she'd pay close attention... because she'd want to know if his art didn't 'flatter' her enough so she could then destroy his life.
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[[folder:Tom Dupain (Weredad) and Sabine Cheng (Qilin)]]
Marinette's parents. They love her. Her feelings towards them are more complicated.
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* DotingParent: Both are clearly trying hard to support and love their daughter.
* MisplacedRetribution: On the receiving end of this. Marinette still resents the way both got akumatized for [[DisappointedByTheMotive petty reasons]]. Luka notes that ''resisting'' akumatization [[MoreThanMindControl isn't easy]], and that it's not something [[VillainPossessedBystander they willingly chose]].
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[[folder:Veronique (Manipula)]]
A museum curator who's moving up in the world, for better and for worse.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: She flipped out when Bourgeois shut down her previous exhibit on the miraculous heroes. Now she gets to run such an exhibit like she said she wanted, but thanks to the new Ladybug, she has no actual control over it.
* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka notes that it's wrong for Marinette to scare her or even be mad at her over her one akumatization, which was done for a sympathetic reason and which doesn't change her fundamentally decent nature.
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[[folder:Bunnyx]]
Bunnyx was last reported to be traveling through time in an effort to keep her miraculous away from Hawkmoth. However, a recent spate of impossible rabbit sightings have raised the question of whether she's returned to the present time... and what her true objectives are.
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* CallingCard: She seems to leave bunny-themed items from impossible times, like a digital photo of a rabbit taken before digital photography existed, on the scenes of her manipulations.
* TheChessmaster: Luka believes that Bunnyx is manipulating things to put him and Marinette on a collision course with the new Ladybug, both by spreading rumors that might make the new Ladybug want to oppose them while also arranging for Luka and Marinette to learn information which could spur them to take Ladybug on.
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Bunnyx was last reported to be traveling through time in an effort to keep her miraculous away from Hawkmoth. However, a recent spate of impossible rabbit sightings have raised the question of whether she's returned to the present time... and what her true objectives are.
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* CallingCard: She seems to leave bunny-themed items from impossible times, like a digital photo of a rabbit taken before digital photography existed, on the scenes of her manipulations.
* TheChessmaster: Luka believes that Bunnyx is manipulating things to put him and Marinette on a collision course with the new Ladybug, both by spreading rumors that might make the new Ladybug want to oppose them while also arranging for Luka and Marinette to learn information which could spur them to take Ladybug on.
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* HarmlessVillain: {{Downplayed}}. Marinette thinks that if she was the new Ladybug, she would have already made the wish and destroyed the world. However, Marinette views her initial schtick of tall tales and lies to be so insignificant compared to the akumas that she stopped caring after a few weeks.
* ItsAllAboutMe: Marinette's reason for why she doesn't think she'd have given Lila the Ladybug Earrings is that she thinks Lila is so selfish she would have, after stealing the ring from Chat Noir, either made a Wish of her own (which would destroy the world) or just sold the Miraculouses to Hawkmoth (who would have Wished and also destroyed the world). She goes so far as to say that the world not being destroyed is proof-positive Lila doesn't have the Earrings and access to the Ring.
* ItsAllAboutMe: Marinette's reason for why she doesn't think she'd have given Lila the Ladybug Earrings is that she thinks Lila is so selfish she would have, after stealing the ring from Chat Noir, either made a Wish of her own (which would destroy the world) or just sold the Miraculouses to Hawkmoth (who would have Wished and also destroyed the world). She goes so far as to say that the world not being destroyed is proof-positive Lila doesn't have the Earrings and access to the Ring.
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* HarmlessVillain: {{Downplayed}}. Marinette thinks believes that if she was were the new Ladybug, she would have already made the wish Wish and destroyed the world. However, Marinette views her initial schtick of tall tales and lies to be so insignificant compared to the akumas that she stopped caring after a few weeks.
* ItsAllAboutMe:Marinette's reason for why she doesn't think she'd have given Lila the Ladybug Earrings is that she thinks According to Marinette, Lila is so selfish that if she had the Earrings, she would have, after stealing have already stolen the ring Ring from Chat Noir, Noir and either made a Wish of her own (which would destroy the world) or just sold the Miraculouses to Hawkmoth (who would have Wished and also destroyed the world). She goes so Hawkmoth. As far as to say she's concerned, the fact that the world not being destroyed still exists is proof-positive that Lila doesn't have the Earrings and or access to the Ring.
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* StartingANewLife: His family moved him out of Paris so he could reinvent himself with people who didn't associate him with the widely-despised Alya.
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* StartingANewLife: His family moved him out of Paris so he could reinvent himself with people who didn't associate him with the widely-despised Alya.
widely despised Alya.
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* NotHelpingYourCase: When called out on how she insulted the original Ladybug, Nadja tries to handwave that away before adding that she ''deserved'' to be badmouthed and lose support. Note that she's saying all of this while still insisting that the old Ladybug has to come back and help her because "she's a hero".
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** While Marinette doesn't really have much sympathy or understanding about [[MoreThanMindControl how powerful akumatization can really be]] she is right that numerous people have been akumatized over petty and trivial matters. Meanwhile she wasn't allowed to express even the slightest bit of negativity over the struggles in her life.
** She's shown to be perfectly right that most of Paris were [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], [[EntitledBastard entitled]] and [[DudeWheresMyRespect disrespectful]] to her during her time as Ladybug. Nadja proves this point as she spent her first interview with the new Ladybug badmouthing the old one, tries to claim she was wrong to do so only to go on about how losing the miraculouses meant that the old Ladybug ''deserved'' to lose support, all the while she firmly believes that the old Ladybug should return to help stop the new one on the grounds that she's a "hero" and heroes have to help no matter what they have to put up with.
** Marinette is incredibly petty and unwilling to help Alya, who's being unfairly persecuted due to the new Ladybug, but she's not wrong about on a few points when she lays this out to her former friend; Alya did expose her SecretIdentity after only a couple weeks to try and smooth things over with Nino while Marinette kept her life as Ladybug an absolute secret for over a year and a half until she couldn't take it anymore and it was a genuine danger for Alya to do so.
** Badmouthing Nino for being akumatized wasn't kind in the least but she is right about his poor emotional control in those instances.
** Refusing to help Alya while her life is falling apart was definitely a KickTheDog moment but Marinette is right that unfair things happen to people all the time and she can't always be expected to fight every injustice she encounters. Not to mention this is exactly the kind of problem, her being expected to to step up and help out while other people cause trouble, that she gave up being Ladybug to get away from.
** She's shown to be perfectly right that most of Paris were [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], [[EntitledBastard entitled]] and [[DudeWheresMyRespect disrespectful]] to her during her time as Ladybug. Nadja proves this point as she spent her first interview with the new Ladybug badmouthing the old one, tries to claim she was wrong to do so only to go on about how losing the miraculouses meant that the old Ladybug ''deserved'' to lose support, all the while she firmly believes that the old Ladybug should return to help stop the new one on the grounds that she's a "hero" and heroes have to help no matter what they have to put up with.
** Marinette is incredibly petty and unwilling to help Alya, who's being unfairly persecuted due to the new Ladybug, but she's not wrong about on a few points when she lays this out to her former friend; Alya did expose her SecretIdentity after only a couple weeks to try and smooth things over with Nino while Marinette kept her life as Ladybug an absolute secret for over a year and a half until she couldn't take it anymore and it was a genuine danger for Alya to do so.
** Badmouthing Nino for being akumatized wasn't kind in the least but she is right about his poor emotional control in those instances.
** Refusing to help Alya while her life is falling apart was definitely a KickTheDog moment but Marinette is right that unfair things happen to people all the time and she can't always be expected to fight every injustice she encounters. Not to mention this is exactly the kind of problem, her being expected to to step up and help out while other people cause trouble, that she gave up being Ladybug to get away from.
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** While Marinette doesn't really have much sympathy or has NoSympathy for anyone who's been akumatized, not understanding about just how [[MoreThanMindControl how powerful akumatization can really be]] and difficult to resist it is]], she is right correctly notes that numerous people have been akumatized over petty and trivial matters. Meanwhile Meanwhile, she wasn't allowed had to constantly repress her own emotions, unable to express even the slightest bit of negativity over the her struggles in her life.
for fear of attracting Hawkmoth's attention.
** She's shown to be perfectly right that most of Paris were [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], [[EntitledBastard entitled]] and [[DudeWheresMyRespect disrespectful]] to her during her time as Ladybug. Nadja proves this point as she spent her first interview with the new Ladybug badmouthing the old one, tries to claim she was wrong to do so only to go on about how losing themiraculouses Miraculouses meant that the old Ladybug ''deserved'' to lose support, all the while she firmly believes that the old Ladybug should return to help stop the new one on the grounds that she's a "hero" and heroes have to help no matter what they have to put up with.
** Marinette's refusal to help Alya clear her name is harsh, but she correctly points out that she endangered everyone by revealing that she was Rena Furtive to Nino. Marinetteis incredibly petty and unwilling to help Alya, who's being unfairly persecuted due to the new Ladybug, but she's not wrong about on a few points when she lays this out to her former friend; Alya did expose her SecretIdentity after only a couple weeks to try and smooth things over with Nino while Marinette had kept her life as Ladybug an absolute own secret identity hidden for over a year and a half until she couldn't take it anymore by that point, dealing with the damage this was doing to her social life and it was a genuine danger for reputation; Alya to do so.
caved and spilled her secret the moment she saw some strain with Nino.
**Badmouthing Though she cruelly insults Nino for being akumatized wasn't kind in all the least but times he got akumatized, she is right isn't wrong about his how poor his emotional control in those instances.
control, or about how bad he is at keeping secrets.
** Refusing to help Alya while her life is falling apartwas definitely a KickTheDog moment is cruel, but Marinette is right she rightly notes that unfair things happen to people all the time time, and that she can't always be expected to fight every single injustice she encounters. Not to mention this is exactly on their behalf. This was also ''exactly'' the kind of problem, problem that led to her being expected to to step up and help out while other retirement in the first place: people cause trouble, that she gave up being Ladybug getting into trouble and expecting her to get away from. help protect them from the consequences.
** She's shown to be perfectly right that most of Paris were [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], [[EntitledBastard entitled]] and [[DudeWheresMyRespect disrespectful]] to her during her time as Ladybug. Nadja proves this point as she spent her first interview with the new Ladybug badmouthing the old one, tries to claim she was wrong to do so only to go on about how losing the
** Marinette's refusal to help Alya clear her name is harsh, but she correctly points out that she endangered everyone by revealing that she was Rena Furtive to Nino. Marinette
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** Refusing to help Alya while her life is falling apart
* TheoryTunnelvision: Tends to assume that whatever theory she's formed about what's ''really'' going on is the truth, and ignores/dismisses all evidence to the contrary.
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* HarmlessVillain: Downplayed. Marinette thinks that if she was the new Ladybug, she would have already made the wish and destroyed the world. However, Marinette views her initial schtick of tall tales and lies to be so insignificant compared to the akumas that she stopped caring after a few weeks.
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* HarmlessVillain: Downplayed.{{Downplayed}}. Marinette thinks that if she was the new Ladybug, she would have already made the wish and destroyed the world. However, Marinette views her initial schtick of tall tales and lies to be so insignificant compared to the akumas that she stopped caring after a few weeks.
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* LooseLips: Marinette hoped that Alya would understand the importance of keeping their secret identities ''secret'' once she confided in her. While Alya didn't tell anyone that her 'best friend' was Ladybug, she let Nino know that she was still active as Rena Furtive, without considering how that could lead to not just ''her'' exposure, but Marinette as well.
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* CrazyJealousGuy: Marinette derides him as such, pointing out that all it took for him to get akumatized into Rocketear was seeing Alya talking to Chat Noir and leaping to all the wrong conclusions.
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* LooseLips: Even without the risk of getting akumatized, Nino wasn't very good at keeping secrets. Such as when he invited everyone he could find to join his 'secret society' against Hawkmoth, including Gabriel Agreste.
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* DramaticallyMissingThePoint: Even after Marinette spells out for her just ''why'' she's so upset, Alya continues acting confused, then trying to downplay the severity of her mistake. [[NotHelpingYourCase This doesn't convince Marinette to change her mind.]]
* GoingForTheBigScoop: A key factor in her downfall; while trying to ferret out and expose all of the new Ladybug's secrets, she was lured into a trap which exploited her [[FatalFlaw impulsive, stubborn nature]]. Afterwards, practically all of Paris was convinced that she'd been trying to ''unmask'' their new heroine, exposing her SecretIdentity to the world -- and to Hawkmoth.
* LaserGuidedKarma: In Marinette's eyes, Alya's deepest betrayal of her was how she risked exposing her SecretIdentity as Ladybug through her carelessness. Alya is now [[HatedByAll despised by practically all of Paris]] because they believe she tried to unmask the ''new'' Ladybug for the sake of an 'exclusive scoop'.
* RightForTheWrongReasons: Considered the new Ladybug to be incredibly suspicious from the start... because she was blindsided by Marinette's decision to retire, and refused to accept that it was voluntary. She also assumed the new Ladybug was responsible for Marinette avoiding her, missing (or ignoring) all the signs that her former friend wanted nothing more to do with her.
* GoingForTheBigScoop: A key factor in her downfall; while trying to ferret out and expose all of the new Ladybug's secrets, she was lured into a trap which exploited her [[FatalFlaw impulsive, stubborn nature]]. Afterwards, practically all of Paris was convinced that she'd been trying to ''unmask'' their new heroine, exposing her SecretIdentity to the world -- and to Hawkmoth.
* LaserGuidedKarma: In Marinette's eyes, Alya's deepest betrayal of her was how she risked exposing her SecretIdentity as Ladybug through her carelessness. Alya is now [[HatedByAll despised by practically all of Paris]] because they believe she tried to unmask the ''new'' Ladybug for the sake of an 'exclusive scoop'.
* RightForTheWrongReasons: Considered the new Ladybug to be incredibly suspicious from the start... because she was blindsided by Marinette's decision to retire, and refused to accept that it was voluntary. She also assumed the new Ladybug was responsible for Marinette avoiding her, missing (or ignoring) all the signs that her former friend wanted nothing more to do with her.
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* ThisIsUnforgivable: As far as she's concerned, Alya's decision to let Nino know she was Rena Furtive was an utterly unforgivable act, as she ran the risk of leading Hawkmoth straight to her -- and through her, to Marinette.
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* EngineeredHeroics: Downplayed. According to Alya, her fight with Music Band-it involved her faking its difficulty.
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* EngineeredHeroics: Downplayed. {{Downplayed}}. According to Alya, her fight with Music Band-it Band-It involved her faking its difficulty.
* WoundedGazelleGambit: After seemingly [[TakingTheBullet shielding Alya]] from one of Music Band-It's attacks, she acted as though she'd been severely injured, limping around in the aftermath and pleading with the public to be more careful around akuma attacks, and not get involved with them '[[SocialMediaBeforeReason just to get clips for social media]]'.
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The holder of the Black Cat miraculous.
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* UncertainDoom: In the third chapter, Luka mentions that Alya 'self-destructed', and Marinette previously said that the Ladyblog 'isn't an option' for looking up details on her past life. When people do reference checking the blog, they say they check 'archives' of it and not the blog itself. What actually happened to Alya and her blog, though, has not yet been defined.
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* ClearTheirName: With her reputation trashed, Alya is desperate for others to help her accomplish this.
* ConvictedByPublicOpinion: Following the Music Band-It debacle, the new Ladybug's followers were whipped into a frenzy by the sight of their wounded heroine pleading for people to be more careful. Throw in a reminder about how her SecretIdentity was a matter of national security, and Alya was promptly labeled "Hawkmoth's sidekick", falsely accused of having tried to unmask Ladybug. The backlash forced her own parents to publicly denounce her in order to protect themselves, and the Cesaires were forced to move into a small, out of the way apartment after their address was leaked.
* UncertainDoom:In the third chapter, Luka mentions that It takes seven chapters before it's revealed just how Alya 'self-destructed', and Marinette previously said that with several hints laid down about how the Ladyblog 'isn't an option' for looking up details on her past life. When people do reference checking the blog, they say they check 'archives' of it and not the blog itself. What actually happened to Alya has been 'archived' and her blog, though, has not yet been defined.reputation ruined.
* ConvictedByPublicOpinion: Following the Music Band-It debacle, the new Ladybug's followers were whipped into a frenzy by the sight of their wounded heroine pleading for people to be more careful. Throw in a reminder about how her SecretIdentity was a matter of national security, and Alya was promptly labeled "Hawkmoth's sidekick", falsely accused of having tried to unmask Ladybug. The backlash forced her own parents to publicly denounce her in order to protect themselves, and the Cesaires were forced to move into a small, out of the way apartment after their address was leaked.
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* HarmlessVillain: Downplayed. Marinette thinks that if she was the new Ladybug, she would have already made the wish and destroyed the world. However, Marinette views her initial schtick of tall tales and lies to be so insignificant compared to the akumas that she stopped caring after a few weeks.
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* EngineeredHeroics: Downplayed. According to Alya, her fight with Music Band-it involved her faking its difficulty.
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Alya's boyfriend, at least until her life disintegrated.
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* LongDistanceRelationship: He tried to make this work with Alya, but it didn't pan out.
* StartingANewLife: His family moved him out of Paris so he could reinvent himself with people who didn't associate him with the widely-despised Alya.
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Alya's boyfriend, at least until her life disintegrated.
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* LongDistanceRelationship: He tried to make this work with Alya, but it didn't pan out.
* StartingANewLife: His family moved him out of Paris so he could reinvent himself with people who didn't associate him with the widely-despised Alya.
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** Marinette is incredibly petty and unwilling to help Alya, who's being unfairly persecuted due to the new Ladybug, but she's not wrong about on a few points when she lays this out to her former friend; Alya did expose her SecretIdentity after only a couple weeks to try and smooth things over with Nino while Marinette kept her life as Ladybug an absolute secret for over a year and a half until she couldn't take it anymore and it was a genuine danger for Alya to do so.
** Badmouthing Nino for being akumatized wasn't kind in the least but she is right about his poor emotional control in those instances.
** Refusing to help Alya while her life is falling apart was definitely a KickTheDog moment but Marinette is right that unfair things happen to people all the time and she can't always be expected to fight every injustice she encounters. Not to mention this is exactly the kind of problem, her being expected to to step up and help out while other people cause trouble, that she gave up being Ladybug to get away from.
** Badmouthing Nino for being akumatized wasn't kind in the least but she is right about his poor emotional control in those instances.
** Refusing to help Alya while her life is falling apart was definitely a KickTheDog moment but Marinette is right that unfair things happen to people all the time and she can't always be expected to fight every injustice she encounters. Not to mention this is exactly the kind of problem, her being expected to to step up and help out while other people cause trouble, that she gave up being Ladybug to get away from.
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Wifi, Oblivion, Rena Rage)]]
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* CartesianKarma: Has convinced herself that everybody (except Luka, apparently) who got akumatized ''knowingly'' made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with Hawkmoth]] through their inability to control their emotions, and repeatedly uses this to justify looking down upon them. This ranges from [[JustifiedTrope correct]](Xavier Ramier's absolute refusal to seek mental help or show any remorse) to petty InsaneTrollLogic (Veronique's akumatization).
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* CartesianKarma: Has convinced herself that everybody (except Luka, apparently) who got akumatized ''knowingly'' made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with Hawkmoth]] through their inability to control their emotions, and repeatedly uses this to justify looking down upon them. This ranges from [[JustifiedTrope correct]](Xavier correct]] (Xavier Ramier's absolute refusal to seek mental help or show any remorse) to petty InsaneTrollLogic (Veronique's akumatization).
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* MisplacedRetribution: On the receiving end of this. Marinette still has some bad blood for their Akumatizations even after some time has passed and Luka points out that being Akumatized is [[VillainPossessedBystander not a thing they willingly chose]], or [[MoreThanMindControl is easy to fight against]].
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* MisplacedRetribution: On the receiving end of this. Marinette still has some bad blood resents the way both got akumatized for their Akumatizations even after some time has passed and [[DisappointedByTheMotive petty reasons]]. Luka points out notes that being Akumatized is ''resisting'' akumatization [[MoreThanMindControl isn't easy]], and that it's not something [[VillainPossessedBystander not a thing they willingly chose]], or [[MoreThanMindControl is easy to fight against]].chose]].
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* EveryoneHasStandards: While it's implied that Marinette deliberately chose a SketchySuccessor to get back at Paris she wasn't so bitter that she chose someone who would screw over the whole world by being bad at the job of fighting Hawkmoth. This is why she's certain that she wouldn't have chosen Chloe or Lila as the new Ladybug; the former would be too lazy and entitled to fight Hawkmoth for long while the latter would almost certainly try to make a Wish for herself.
* JerkassHasAPoint: As bitter and resentful as she acts towards most of Paris the fact is the reasons she give for giving up being Ladybug are shown to be perfectly right.
** While she is practicing CartesianKarma towards everybody that has been akumatized, including genuinely good people who had a MomentOfWeakness and even her own parents, she's not exactly wrong that it seems like no one is even trying to resist [[DealWithTheDevil dealing with Hawkmoth]] or even taking steps to try and avoid getting to the point that they'll be targeted at all. There are repeat offenders, like Xavier Ramier who refuses to do ''something'' besides just being akumatized as a way to deal with his issues, and several people have been akumatized over trivial and petty matters.
** While Marinette doesn't really have much sympathy or understanding about [[MoreThanMindControl how powerful akumatization can really be]] she is right that numerous people have been akumatized over petty and trivial matters. Meanwhile she wasn't allowed to express even the slightest bit of negativity over the struggles in her life.
** She's shown to be perfectly right that most of Paris were [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], [[EntitledBastard entitled]] and [[DudeWheresMyRespect disrespectful]] to her during her time as Ladybug. Nadja proves this point as she spent her first interview with the new Ladybug badmouthing the old one, tries to claim she was wrong to do so only to go on about how losing the miraculouses meant that the old Ladybug ''deserved'' to lose support, all the while she firmly believes that the old Ladybug should return to help stop the new one on the grounds that she's a "hero" and heroes have to help no matter what they have to put up with.
* JerkassHasAPoint: As bitter and resentful as she acts towards most of Paris the fact is the reasons she give for giving up being Ladybug are shown to be perfectly right.
** While she is practicing CartesianKarma towards everybody that has been akumatized, including genuinely good people who had a MomentOfWeakness and even her own parents, she's not exactly wrong that it seems like no one is even trying to resist [[DealWithTheDevil dealing with Hawkmoth]] or even taking steps to try and avoid getting to the point that they'll be targeted at all. There are repeat offenders, like Xavier Ramier who refuses to do ''something'' besides just being akumatized as a way to deal with his issues, and several people have been akumatized over trivial and petty matters.
** While Marinette doesn't really have much sympathy or understanding about [[MoreThanMindControl how powerful akumatization can really be]] she is right that numerous people have been akumatized over petty and trivial matters. Meanwhile she wasn't allowed to express even the slightest bit of negativity over the struggles in her life.
** She's shown to be perfectly right that most of Paris were [[UngratefulBastard ungrateful]], [[EntitledBastard entitled]] and [[DudeWheresMyRespect disrespectful]] to her during her time as Ladybug. Nadja proves this point as she spent her first interview with the new Ladybug badmouthing the old one, tries to claim she was wrong to do so only to go on about how losing the miraculouses meant that the old Ladybug ''deserved'' to lose support, all the while she firmly believes that the old Ladybug should return to help stop the new one on the grounds that she's a "hero" and heroes have to help no matter what they have to put up with.
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* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka thinks Kagami is fundamentally a good person, and is surprised when Marinette implies she wouldn't have chosen her simply because of [[DisappointedByTheMotive how she got akumatized into Riposte]].
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* [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka thinks Kagami is fundamentally a good person, and is surprised when Marinette implies she wouldn't have chosen her simply because of [[DisappointedByTheMotive how she got akumatized into Riposte]]. That being said, Marinette is also sure that Kagami would be too honorable to ever pull the grift that the current Ladybug is.
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* CartesianKarma: Has convinced herself that everybody (except Luka, apparently) who got akumatized ''knowingly'' made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with Hawkmoth]], and repeatedly uses this to justify looking down upon them.
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* CartesianKarma: Has convinced herself that everybody (except Luka, apparently) who got akumatized ''knowingly'' made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with Hawkmoth]], Hawkmoth]] through their inability to control their emotions, and repeatedly uses this to justify looking down upon them.them. This ranges from [[JustifiedTrope correct]](Xavier Ramier's absolute refusal to seek mental help or show any remorse) to petty InsaneTrollLogic (Veronique's akumatization).
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* ItsAllAboutMe: Marinette's reason for why she doesn't think she'd have given Lila the Ladybug Earrings is that she thinks Lila is so selfish she would have, after stealing the ring from Chat Noir, either made a Wish of her own (which would destroy the world) or just sold the miraculouses to Hawkmoth (who would have Wished and also destroyed the world). She goes so far as to say that the world not being destroyed is proof-positive Lila doesn't have the Earrings and access to the Ring.
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* ItsAllAboutMe: Marinette's reason for why she doesn't think she'd have given Lila the Ladybug Earrings is that she thinks Lila is so selfish she would have, after stealing the ring from Chat Noir, either made a Wish of her own (which would destroy the world) or just sold the miraculouses Miraculouses to Hawkmoth (who would have Wished and also destroyed the world). She goes so far as to say that the world not being destroyed is proof-positive Lila doesn't have the Earrings and access to the Ring.
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* CartesianKarma: Has convinced herself that everybody who got akumatized ''knowingly'' made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with Hawkmoth]], and repeatedly uses this to justify looking down upon them.
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* CartesianKarma: Has convinced herself that everybody (except Luka, apparently) who got akumatized ''knowingly'' made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with Hawkmoth]], and repeatedly uses this to justify looking down upon them.
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* AndThereWasMuchRejoicing: Played with, aiming primarily towards deconstruction: There were a number of people who were such jerks and responsible of the pressures that made her decide to quit that they definitely deserve some celebration from the torment they are suffering, but the problem then becomes that Marinette's scheme is aimed towards ''all of Paris'', because she has seemingly come to think that ''all of them'' deserve it - [[MisplacedRetribution even her own parents have earned bad blood]].
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* AndThereWasMuchRejoicing: Played with, PlayedWith, aiming primarily towards deconstruction: There were a [[DeconstructionFic deconstruction]]: A number of people who were such jerks proved to be selfish {{Jerkass}}es, and responsible of contributed to the myriad pressures that made her decide led to quit that they definitely deserve some celebration from the torment they are suffering, but the problem then becomes that Marinette's scheme is aimed towards ''all decision to quit. Their downfalls are possibly worth celebrating... but what of Paris'', because she has seemingly come the rest of Paris? Marinette came to think the conclusion that ''all of them'' deserve it ''everybody'' deserves some karmic retribution - [[MisplacedRetribution even her own parents have earned some bad blood]].blood.
* CartesianKarma: Has convinced herself that everybody who got akumatized ''knowingly'' made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with Hawkmoth]], and repeatedly uses this to justify looking down upon them.
* CartesianKarma: Has convinced herself that everybody who got akumatized ''knowingly'' made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with Hawkmoth]], and repeatedly uses this to justify looking down upon them.
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* EveryoneHasStandards: He is a very supporting boyfriend, but he still feels a little disturbed at [[TookALevelInJerkass the glee Marinette occasionally barely conceals about the situation]]. He is [[spoiler:also utterly horrified at discovering how many prior Ladybug holders were betrayed and killed.]]
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* EveryoneHasStandards: He is a very supporting boyfriend, but he still feels a little disturbed at [[TookALevelInJerkass the glee Marinette occasionally barely conceals about the situation]]. He is [[spoiler:also utterly horrified at discovering how many prior Ladybug holders were betrayed and killed.]]killed]].
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* [[Main/NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka thinks Kagami is fundamentally good and that Marinette shouldn't still be mad about the Riposte akumatization.
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* [[Main/NiceGuy [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]]: Luka thinks Kagami is fundamentally a good person, and that is surprised when Marinette shouldn't still be mad about the Riposte akumatization.implies she wouldn't have chosen her simply because of [[DisappointedByTheMotive how she got akumatized into Riposte]].
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* SpoiledBrat: Marinette notes that Chloe was so spoiled she would happily have bankrupted her father just to get the things she wanted.
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* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: {{Averted}}; Marinette dismisses the idea that Chloe ''wouldn't'' blackmail and bankrupt her father, as she's so self-centered that she'd do pretty much anything to get what she wants... other than work for it.
* SpoiledBrat: Massively. Her father constantly caters to her every whim, though Marinettenotes doubts that Chloe was so spoiled she would happily have bankrupted keep her father just to get from throwing him under the things she wanted.bus.
* SpoiledBrat: Massively. Her father constantly caters to her every whim, though Marinette
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* ItsAllAboutMe: Marinette's reason for why she doesn't think she'd have given Lila the Ladybug earrings is that she thinks Lila is so selfish she would have, after stealing the ring from Chat Noir, either made a Wish of her own (which would destroy the world) or just sold the miraculouses to Hawkmoth (who would have Wished and also destroyed the world). She goes so far as to say that the world not being destroyed is proof-positive Lila doesn't have the earrings and access to the ring.
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* ItsAllAboutMe: Marinette's reason for why she doesn't think she'd have given Lila the Ladybug earrings Earrings is that she thinks Lila is so selfish she would have, after stealing the ring from Chat Noir, either made a Wish of her own (which would destroy the world) or just sold the miraculouses to Hawkmoth (who would have Wished and also destroyed the world). She goes so far as to say that the world not being destroyed is proof-positive Lila doesn't have the earrings Earrings and access to the ring.Ring.
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* EveryoneHasStandards: He is a very supporting boyfriend, but he still feels a little disturbed at [[TookALevelInJerkass the glee Marinette occasionally barely conceals about the situation]].
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* EveryoneHasStandards: He is a very supporting boyfriend, but he still feels a little disturbed at [[TookALevelInJerkass the glee Marinette occasionally barely conceals about the situation]]. He is [[spoiler:also utterly horrified at discovering how many prior Ladybug holders were betrayed and killed.]]
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* EveryoneHasStandards: He is a very supporting boyfriend, but he still feels a little disturbed at [[TookALevelInJerkass the glee Marinette occasionally barely conceals about the situation]].