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** Together, Elan and Belkar, the two least intelligent members of the party, independently deduce that part of the reason Xykon's such a prick is because, as an [[DemBones undead lich]], he's unable to experience the pleasures of the flesh, by speculating idly about whether or not he can taste ice cream and what the point of living would be if someone couldn't.
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'''Elan:'' Roy, I'm a spellcaster.\\

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'''Elan:'' '''Elan:''' Roy, I'm a spellcaster.\\
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* IneptMage: As a bard, Elan is capable of casting spells, but he's not very good at it. This is largely because he's focused on illusion, a school of spells where the caster's intellect and creativity is the main limitation. Most of his illusions, therefore, end up being unconvincing or useless, barring some occasional lucky breaks. He also has a tendency to forget he can even use them in favor of focusing on swordplay--most notably, in the Battle of Azure City, Vaarsuvius was surprised to find that Elan had only cast a single spell in the entire battle. He does improve over the comic's run, with Vaarsuvius's tutelage helping him craft actual effective illusions and a newfound focus on healing.
-->'''Roy:''' And as of right now, we don't even have any spellcasters!\\
'''Elan:'' Roy, I'm a spellcaster.\\
'''Roy:''' YOU DON'T COUNT!!
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-->'''Haley:''' Am I drunk enough yet that later, I won't remember [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0747.html getting out-logicked by Elan?]]

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-->'''Haley:''' --->'''Haley:''' Am I drunk enough yet that later, I won't remember [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0747.html getting out-logicked by Elan?]]



* EurekaMoment: It’s heavily implied that he finally realized his own romantic feelings towards Haley when he was wrongfully imprisoned by Nale and started to ''especially'' freak out when he had the sudden revelation that she was now at Nale’s mercy as he infiltrated the Order.

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* EurekaMoment: It’s It's heavily implied that he finally realized his own romantic feelings towards Haley when he was wrongfully imprisoned by Nale and started to ''especially'' freak out when he had the sudden revelation that she was now at Nale’s Nale's mercy as he infiltrated the Order.

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* DumbassHasAPoint: Happens a few times.

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** In later comics, this actually becomes something of a gag involving him and Roy: Roy has gotten so used to Elan's CrazyEnoughToWork and GenreSavvy aspects turning out right for him that he will actively take Elan's viewpoints into consideration or even give them a shot. At times, this even scares Elan: when Roy gives an entirely serious explanation for why they couldn't use Banjo the Clown to break the tie at the Godsmoot, Elan looks horrified until Roy [[ClueEvidenceAndASmokingGun concludes by noting that Banjo is a hand puppet]].
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** In a fit of irony, he's actually starting to end up on the ''recieving'' end of this trope too. [[TheDragon Redcloak]] soldily recognises him as, if not his ArchEnemy, at least one of the most recurring and dangerous heroes working against him ("Greenhilt. Of ''course'' it would be Greenhilt"). By all accounts, ''Roy'' isn't really aware of ''Redcloak'' except as "Xykln's cleric minion"

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** In a fit of irony, he's actually starting to end up on the ''recieving'' ''receiving'' end of this trope too. [[TheDragon Redcloak]] soldily recognises solidly recognizes him as, if not his ArchEnemy, at least one of the most recurring and dangerous heroes working against him him. ("Greenhilt. Of ''course'' it would be Greenhilt"). Greenhilt.") By all accounts, ''Roy'' isn't really aware of ''Redcloak'' except as "Xykln's "Xykon's cleric minion"minion".
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** In a fit of irony, he's actually starting to end up on the ''recieving'' end of this trope too. [[TheDragon Redcloak]] soldily recognises him as, if not his ArchEnemy, at least one of the most recurring and dangerous heroes working against him ("Greenhilt. Of ''course'' it would be Greenhilt"). By all accounts, ''Roy'' isn't really aware of ''Redcloak'' except as "Xykln's cleric minion"
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** One early comic has Roy decapitating a pair of sleeping goblins. Roy is hardly a paragon of honor or pacifism, but future comics wrote him as someone who prefers to only use lethal force if there aren't any clear alternatives: for instance, an arc in ''On the Origin of [=PCs=]'', which takes place chronologically earlier, shows him going out of his way to negotiate peace with a group of orcs rather than simply wipe them out. Later comics would reserve that kind of behavior to Belkar.

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** One early comic has Roy decapitating a pair of sleeping goblins. Roy is hardly a paragon of honor or pacifism, but future comics wrote him as someone who prefers to only use lethal force if there aren't any clear alternatives: for instance, an arc in ''On the Origin of [=PCs=]'', which takes place chronologically earlier, shows him going out of his way to negotiate peace with a group of orcs rather than simply wipe them out.out, and at one point, he even outright dismisses the idea of killing someone in their sleep. Later comics would reserve that kind of behavior to Belkar.

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* CharacterizationMarchesOn: Early in the comic he called Vaarsuvius very silly nicknames like "dog" and "V-Man". It's hard to imagine Roy doing something like that nowadays.

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Early in the comic he called Vaarsuvius very silly nicknames like "dog" and "V-Man". It's hard to imagine Roy doing something like that nowadays.nowadays.
** One early comic has Roy decapitating a pair of sleeping goblins. Roy is hardly a paragon of honor or pacifism, but future comics wrote him as someone who prefers to only use lethal force if there aren't any clear alternatives: for instance, an arc in ''On the Origin of [=PCs=]'', which takes place chronologically earlier, shows him going out of his way to negotiate peace with a group of orcs rather than simply wipe them out. Later comics would reserve that kind of behavior to Belkar.
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** More broadly, he resents the "[[DumbMuscle dumb Fighter]]" stereotype, which is implied to be why he hates Thog so much.

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** More broadly, he resents the "[[DumbMuscle dumb Fighter]]" stereotype, which is implied to be why he hates Thog so much. He uses the arena fight as an opportunity to vent how insulting it is to have the half-orc as an evil counterpart.
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* CripplingOverspecialization: Despite being a JackOfAllStats statistically, Roy's actual build is laser-focused onto a single strategy: that being, hitting things with a greatsword until they die. As a single-classed fighter, he relies mainly on his good mental stats and overall cleverness whenever handling leadership duties, since he doesn't have a lot of skill points to work with or any notable abilities outside of his combat feats. Additionally, as a fighter, being so focused on greatsword combat means that whenever he has to trade down to another melee weapon (most notably the club he uses during ''No Cure for the Paladin Blues''), he takes a very noticeable hit in effectiveness, and his skill at other fighting styles like mounted combat or archery is only passable at best. He doesn't even bother to carry a backup weapon. A few characters have pointed out that his focus on being a fighter has left him with a lot of gaps in his skillset--including, in ''Snips, Snails, and Dragon Tales'', ''himself'', with 4e Roy pointing out that he would probably have been better off as a warblade (Roy responds by griping that Eugene would never have paid for a [=PhD=] program).
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** In early strips, she had a girlish giggle ("tee hee!") that was later phased out.

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** In early strips, she had a girlish giggle ("tee hee!") that was later phased out. Burlew points out in some of the commentaries that early comics often wrote Haley as something of a BrainlessBeauty; future comics treated her as reasonably bright.

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* FatalFlaw: Not paying enough attention to what's going on around him (because of a crappy [[FailedASpotCheck Spot Check]] and lack of Sense Motive), and [[KnowNothingKnowItAll thinking he knows more about a situation than he actually does]]. As illustrated in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0362.html "Grand Theft Identity"]]. [[spoiler:Even worse, crossing into PoorCommunicationKills, with the Vampire Durkon situation. He refuses to listen when Belkar tries to bluntly tell him, "That isn't Durkon. It's something ''possessing'' Durkon," though Vampire Durkon's quick use of his powers whenever anyone ''too'' reliable tries to share the information is at least partially to blame.]]

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Not paying enough attention to what's going on around him (because of a crappy [[FailedASpotCheck Spot Check]] and lack of Sense Motive), and [[KnowNothingKnowItAll thinking he knows more about a situation than he actually does]]. As illustrated in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0362.html "Grand Theft Identity"]]. [[spoiler:Even worse, crossing into PoorCommunicationKills, with the Vampire Durkon situation. He refuses to listen when Belkar tries to bluntly tell him, "That isn't Durkon. It's something ''possessing'' Durkon," though Vampire Durkon's quick use of his powers whenever anyone ''too'' reliable tries to share the information is at least partially to blame.]]]]
** Overdependence on his primary weapon. He doesn't have a backup weapon and he doesn't carry any sort of ranged weapons until his sword gained the returning property, which bit him in the ass in his original fight with the High Priest of Hel. He even sold off a magical sword he could have used while searching for the starmetal, forcing him to use a nonmagical club instead.

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** [[https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0788.html "Bad guys not remembering their evil deeds is something of a pet peeve of mine."]]

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** "[[ButForMeItWasTuesday Bad guys not remembering their evil deeds]] [[https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0788.html "Bad guys not remembering their evil deeds is something of a pet peeve of mine."]]]]"
** More broadly, he resents the "[[DumbMuscle dumb Fighter]]" stereotype, which is implied to be why he hates Thog so much.
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* TragicDream: More than anything, he wants to see his family brought back together. A big part of his CharacterDevelopment is his coming to terms with the fact that Nale and Tarquin are irredeemable, and that he'll have to look [[FamilyOfChoice elsewhere]] for a happy ending.

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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: [[spoiler:He ''nearly kills Belkar'' when the halfling reveals that Durkon has been vampirized, completely ignoring Belkar's use on the team as he's so furious at what seems to be TheMillstone of his guild yet again putting everyone in danger. It's only when Haley points out to him that [[EvilCannotComprehendGood Belkar likely wouldn't be able to properly conceive of]] Durkon's HeroicSacrifice that he accepts the truth and nearly shuts down as a result]].

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''nearly kills Belkar'' when the halfling reveals that Durkon has been vampirized, completely ignoring Belkar's use on the team as he's so furious at what seems to be TheMillstone of his guild yet again putting everyone in danger. It's only when Haley points out to him that [[EvilCannotComprehendGood Belkar likely wouldn't be able to properly conceive of]] Durkon's HeroicSacrifice that he accepts the truth and nearly shuts down as a result]].result]].
** A minor example: His heartfelt goodbye to Wrecan can come off as this to readers who are unaware that Wrecan is a tribute to a deceased member of the online [=OotS=] community. When they part, Wrecan is in no particular danger [[spoiler:(at least, no more than any other creature on the planet)]], and a RunningGag has Roy immediately lose interest in interacting with minor characters who have served their narrative purpose.
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* ButNotTooBi: Has "Latent Bisexuality" as one of her personality fragments and mentions having kissed girls in the past, but her only on-page relationship is with Elan and she is not about to cheat on him.

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I do not see how weaponizing an anti-climatic is impossible according to story logic.


* BeyondTheImpossible:
** In [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0794.html Strip #794]], Elan seduces a ''succubus''. As in, you know, a demon who is, by her own admission, an evil incarnation of illicit sex.
** A more dramatic case happens in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0936.html Strip #936]], where he manages to effectively '''weaponize an AntiClimax''' against his father and make it a genuinely awesome moment through defying his father's wishes to be anything above the ArcVillain he really is.

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BeyondTheImpossible: In [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0794.html Strip #794]], Elan seduces a ''succubus''. As in, you know, a demon who is, by her own admission, an evil incarnation of illicit sex.
** A more dramatic case happens in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0936.html Strip #936]], where he manages to effectively '''weaponize an AntiClimax''' against his father and make it a genuinely awesome moment through defying his father's wishes to be anything above the ArcVillain he really is.
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* FunPersonified: In [[https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0302.html "New Beginnings"]], Elan and Hinjo are walking down the street while a festival is going on. Elan manages to party with ''everybody'' while Hinjo completes an expository monologue on what the festival is and [[DramaticIrony why Elan and Hinjo shouldn't be celebrating right now]]. When Hinjo turns his head to check on Elan, Elan is back to his normal walking pace behind Hinjo, with his lute and puppet put away and his clothes back on (and a woman's hotel room key in his pocket).

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* ChronicHeroSyndrome: Julia accuses him of having this, but in truth it's averted as Roy is too pragmatic for that.



* HelmetsAreHardlyHeroic: He has never been seen with an helmet, despite otherwise wearing a lot of armor. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Julia, who sardonically asked if he was absent from fighter school the day they were teaching about them.

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* HelmetsAreHardlyHeroic: He has never been seen with an helmet, despite otherwise wearing a lot of armor. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Julia, who sardonically asked asks if he was absent from fighter school the day they were teaching about them.



* ChronicHeroSyndrome: Julia accuses him of having this, but in truth it's averted as Roy is too pragmatic for that.
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* HeroComplex: Julia accuses him of having one, but in truth it's averted as Roy is too pragmatic for that.

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* HeroComplex: ChronicHeroSyndrome: Julia accuses him of having one, this, but in truth it's averted as Roy is too pragmatic for that.
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* HelmetsAreHardlyHeroic: He has never been seen with an helmet, despite otherwise wearing a lot of armor. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Julia, who sardonically ask if he was absent from fighter school the day they were teaching about them.

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* HelmetsAreHardlyHeroic: He has never been seen with an helmet, despite otherwise wearing a lot of armor. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Julia, who sardonically ask asked if he was absent from fighter school the day they were teaching about them.
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** During his [[YouAllMeetInAnInn tavern recruitment]] of the party in ''Recap/OnTheOriginOfPCs'', after meeting with a refusal from some thirty adventurers, Roy begins to thank Haley for listening and saying that he understands, before realizing she just accepted to join.

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** During his [[YouAllMeetInAnInn tavern recruitment]] of the party in ''Recap/OnTheOriginOfPCs'', ''[[Recap/TheOrderOfTheStickOnTheOriginOfPCs On the Origin of PCs]]'', after meeting with a refusal from some thirty adventurers, Roy begins to thank Haley for listening and saying that he understands, before realizing she just accepted to join.



* TheLoad: At the beginning of the comic, many jokes are made about his uselessness. Until he [[TookALevelInBadass Takes a Level in Badass]], Roy compares adventuring with him to adventuring with syphilis. He leans toward TheMillstone when his music keeps making things worse, and especially when he blows up Dorukan's Dungeon. In the prequel book ''Recap/OnTheOriginOfPCs'', Sir François ditched him when he screwed up one too many times (though unlike Roy, at least it was in a populated, if seedy, city where there was no immediate danger) and Elan's reaction to realizing he was just abandoned indicates this wasn't the first time this has happened.

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* TheLoad: At the beginning of the comic, many jokes are made about his uselessness. Until he [[TookALevelInBadass Takes a Level in Badass]], Roy compares adventuring with him to adventuring with syphilis. He leans toward TheMillstone when his music keeps making things worse, and especially when he blows up Dorukan's Dungeon. In the prequel book ''Recap/OnTheOriginOfPCs'', ''[[Recap/TheOrderOfTheStickOnTheOriginOfPCs On the Origin of PCs]]'', Sir François ditched him when he screwed up one too many times (though unlike Roy, at least it was in a populated, if seedy, city where there was no immediate danger) and Elan's reaction to realizing he was just abandoned indicates this wasn't the first time this has happened.
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-->'''Haley''' Well anyway, V says Elan has been running around naked, so I'm off to see what his 18 Charisma is worth "under the hood".

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-->'''Haley''' -->'''Haley:''' Well anyway, V says Elan has been running around naked, so I'm off to see what his 18 Charisma is worth "under the hood".



* ChaoticStupid: [[invoked]] Averted; Elan is ChaoticGood and Stupid separately (and has been working on the "Stupid" part... more or less). He still illustrates the trope on its page image, though, taken from one of his silliest moments. However, Elan is less Stupid and more Foolish.

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* ChaoticStupid: [[invoked]] Averted; Elan is ChaoticGood and Stupid separately (and has been working on the "Stupid" part... more or less). He still illustrates the trope on its page image, though, taken from one of his silliest moments. However, Elan is less Stupid and more Foolish.
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If the strip in question is https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0936.html there's no enraged face there


** Specifically when dealing with his ArchnemesisDad near the end of the Empire of Blood arc. To see Elan making the '''extremely'' enraged' face (which depicts the eye socket lines in addition to slanted eyebrows) while delivering TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, and letting his own dad plummet hundreds of feet from an airship with a cold, blank expression are rather jarring, considering he's a NiceGuy otherwise.

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** Specifically when dealing with his ArchnemesisDad near the end of the Empire of Blood arc. To see Elan making the '''extremely'' enraged' face (which depicts the eye socket lines in addition to slanted eyebrows) while delivering TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to him and letting his own dad him plummet hundreds of feet from an airship with a cold, blank expression are rather jarring, considering he's a NiceGuy otherwise.
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* TookALevelInKindness: Becoming kinder to his teammates and learning to work with their quirks is a major part of his development. In the comic's early days, he had little patience for most other members of the Order and frequently doubted, insulted and generally devalued them, treating some of them as little more than annoyances. By the time the Order reaches Kraagor's gate, he's learned to accept their various eccentricities and treats them all with respect, taking care to involve them in his plans and being empathetic to their struggles. This change is most visible with Elan: Roy went from telling Elan he hates him and abandoning him to be killed by bandits, to asking for Elan's imput on important matters, trying out his silly ideas in earnest and apologising to him for every misstep.

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* TookALevelInKindness: Becoming kinder to his teammates and learning to work with their quirks is a major part of his development. In the comic's early days, he had little patience for most other members of the Order and frequently doubted, insulted and generally devalued them, treating some of them as little more than annoyances. By the time the Order reaches Kraagor's gate, he's learned to accept their various eccentricities and treats them all with respect, taking care to involve them in his plans and being empathetic to their struggles. This change is most visible with Elan: Roy went from telling Elan he hates him and abandoning him to be killed by bandits, to asking for Elan's imput on important matters, trying out his silly ideas in earnest and apologising to him for every misstep. [[https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0891.html Even Elan was shocked by this development!]]
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* TookALevelInKindness: Becoming kinder to his teammates and learning to work with their quirks is a major part of his development. In the comic's early days, he had little patience for most other members of the Order and frequently doubted, insulted and generally devalued them, treating some of them as little more than annoyances. By the time the Order reaches Kraagor's gate, he's learned to accept their various eccentricities and treats them all with respect, taking care to involve them in his plans and being empathetic to their struggles. This change is most visible with Elan: Roy went from telling Elan he hates him and abandoning him to be killed by bandits, to asking for Elan's imput on important matters, trying out his silly ideas in earnest and apologising to him for every misstep.
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* BareYourMidriff: Though the art style makes it hard to tell at times, her top looks a lot like a leather sports bra. She averts it starting with her resistance leader outfit, and later with her "leather armor" in ''Blood Runs in the Family''. She later lampshades that it was a poor idea:

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* BareYourMidriff: Though BareMidriffsAreFeminine: She's the only obviously female member of the Order, and though the art style makes it hard to tell at times, her top looks a lot like a leather sports bra. She averts it starting with her resistance leader outfit, and later with her "leather armor" in ''Blood Runs in the Family''. She later lampshades that it was a poor idea:
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* HelmetsAreHardlyHeroic: He has never been seen with an helmet, despite otherwise wearing a lot of armor. [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Julia, who sardonically ask if he was absent from fighter school the day they were teaching about them.

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