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* DistractedByTheSexy: In the private demo, she distracts some guards by opening a few buttons in her shirt.

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* DeathByDespair: [[spoiler:Implied as Karen's fate is never addressed in [=RDR2=], but a letter written by Tilly speculates that Karen likely died from alcohol overdose. Given how she was in mental disrepair in the Beaver Hollow chapter, it's likely Karen never got over Molly's death and the gang's eventual decay and destruction, which would have contributed to her alcoholism.]]
* DespairEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Molly's death completely shatters Karen's well-being and no matter what, she never recovers in the ''Beaver Hollow'' chapter, always either downing her alcohol or getting involved in arguments against Miss Grimshaw. Should she be approached by Arthur, most of Karen's comments are simply addressing the hopelessness of the gang's situation and wallowing in her self-pity. While she does leave the gang after ''My Last Boy'', it's unknown whether she did it because she became aware of Dutch's instability, or she was disgusted by how most of them treated Molly as an afterthought and it's implied that in her despair, she drank herself to death not long after.]]
* DistractedByTheSexy: In the private demo, she distracts some guards by opening a few buttons in on her shirt.



* LadyDrunk: She can be occasionally be found drunk in camp; unlike Swanson or Uncle [[PetTheDog Arthur gently tells her that she's better than that, trying to ease her away from drinking so much]].

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She can be occasionally be found drunk in camp; unlike Swanson or Uncle Uncle, [[PetTheDog Arthur gently tells her that she's better than that, trying to ease her away from drinking so much]].much]].
** [[spoiler:PlayedForDrama come Beaver Hollow. Molly being killed by Grimshaw, the predicament of the gang being in danger at nearly all times, and further hostilities between gang members drive Karen to despair and, as a response, doubles down on her alcoholism, which likely would have killed her during the timeskip.]]



** She has an ambient conversation with Kieran where she reassures him that he's one of the gang now and he doesn't have to worry about getting hurt. Given that it's can happen as early as Horseshoe Overlook, when most of the gang is still openly hostile to Kieran, it's very kind of her.
** [[spoiler: Despite her and Molly having a poor relationship while the latter was alive, Karen does (make a failed) attempt to reach out to Molly in chapter 4 regarding the latter's emotional strife from Dutch's neglectfulness, and is subsequently heartbroken about Molly's death later on, defending her actions afterward in ambient dialogue.]]

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** She has an ambient conversation with Kieran where she reassures him that he's one of the gang now and he doesn't have to worry about getting hurt. Given that it's it can happen as early as Horseshoe Overlook, when most of the gang is still openly hostile to Kieran, it's very kind of her.
** [[spoiler: Despite her and Molly having a poor relationship while the latter was alive, Karen does (make a failed) attempt to reach out to Molly in chapter 4 regarding the latter's emotional strife from Dutch's neglectfulness, and is subsequently heartbroken about Molly's death later on, defending her actions afterward afterwards in ambient dialogue.]]
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: [[spoiler:Like most of the non-combatants during the Beaver Hollow chapter, Karen leaves the camp after ''My Last Boy''. Unlike most members, her reasons are ambiguous whether she became aware of Dutch's dwindling sanity and deemed him too dangerous to stick around with, or she was so badly affected by Molly's death that she lost any faith and respect for the gang for treating Molly as a disgraced afterthought and ditched them out of spite. The fact that her last encounter with Arthur sees Karen as a drunken mess wallowing in self-pity seems to lean on the latter.
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* AlasPoorVillain: [[spoiler:Despite being a despicable man who took advantage of desperate people and forcing them into terrible conditions, his exile from the gang is treated in a rather pitiful light. Strauss seems heartbroken from being treated to hostility by Arthur, genuinely claiming that they were friends and leaving with an utterly dejected look. His death sometime later accentuates this as despite it all, Strauss never caved in and told the Pinkertons anything about the gang, affirming his loyalty. Even John comments about his valor years after his death.]]


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* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler:Should the final debt missions be completed and his eventual exilement, most of the gang don't hold it against him for kicking Struss out, with some admitting that they never liked him and that the gang is better off without him.]]


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* HateSink: {{Downplayed|Trope}}; Strauss does help the gang from a financial perspective and is generally cordial with his fellow members, but the people he targets include desperate people who couldn't pay back and are thus left nearly homeless, working humiliating jobs, or overwork themselves to death. The worst part is that Strauss couldn't care less about their predicament and as the final debt collection missions are played through, Strauss's immorality is accentuated and the narrative makes a point about how despicable his actions and his attitude are, [[spoiler:best shown when Arthur just grows frustrated and angry at his actions and throws him out of the gang. The only things keeping him from being completely despicable are his heartbroken reaction to being exiled and for remaining genuinely loyal to the gang even in the face of death]].

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* SacrificialLamb: [[spoiler:He works to integrate himself into the gang, but is then captured and killed offscreen near the end of chapter 4.]]

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* SacrificialLamb: [[spoiler:He works to integrate himself into the gang, but is then captured and killed offscreen near the end of chapter 4. This is {{downplayed|Trope}} in that while he wasn't a major character, Kieran's death marks the end of whatever celebratory events and optimism the gang has in their interactions from that point on and you're to see expected caustic, pessimistic, and outright hostile responses from Arthur's fellow gangmates, foreshadowing the gang's eventual decline and destruction.]]


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* TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth: [[spoiler:{{Downplayed|Trope}} as he willingly stuck to becoming a member of a feared gang, but with his polite and kind attitude, willingness to help his newfound companions out, and generally being meek and averse to combat, Kieran just didn't seem like he would fit in with the outlaw life, and he's the last person you'd want to see be given a death as horrible as the one the O'Driscolls gave him. When posthumously thinking about him nearly every member laments Kieran, with most of the women crying and some of the gunslingers admitting that they were beginning to like him for his kindness and his budding loyalty.]]


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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: While his occupation as the gang's {{Loan Shark}}ing business means he is providing for them financially and does keep the more vulnerable members financially upfloat, his targets for debt include destitute people who don't have any money to pay them back, or have gotten themselves involved in extreme situations that would likely get them killed, all of which [[LackOfEmpathy Strauss couldn't give a crap about]]. [[spoiler:By the final few debt collectors and dealing with them, Arthur comes to believe Strauss's business does more harm and destruction for others, visibly expresses disgust, and furiously exiles him from the gang.]]


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* {{Narcissist}}: She has a high, esteemed opinion about herself and expects herself to be treated with respect, especially given her occupation as Dutch's then-lover despite not doing anything productive or menial to support the gang. Unfortunately for her, this accentuates her unpopularity within the gang.
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* DontYouDarePityMe: After she and Arthur go shopping in Rhodes, she makes it clear on their conversation back to camp that she doesn't want to be pitied for having lost her husband and home, only that she's treated equal to the other members of the gang.
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** Before that, he and Javier chat up and get drinks with two women in Valentine. During the following BarBrawl, he joins Lenny in [[EscalatingBrawl attacking]] random patrons uninvolved in the inciting confrontation between Bill and a local [[ChairmanOfTheBrawl with a chair]].

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** Before that, he and Javier chat up and get drinks with two women in Valentine. During the following BarBrawl, he joins Lenny Javier in [[EscalatingBrawl attacking]] random patrons uninvolved in the inciting confrontation between Bill and a local [[ChairmanOfTheBrawl with a chair]].
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** Before that, he and Javier chat up and get drinks with two women in Valentine.

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** Before that, he and Javier chat up and get drinks with two women in Valentine. During the following BarBrawl, he joins Lenny in [[EscalatingBrawl attacking]] random patrons uninvolved in the inciting confrontation between Bill and a local [[ChairmanOfTheBrawl with a chair]].
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** The Van der Linde Gang will perform bank robberies, train jobs, and even steal cattle and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lend money at usurious rates]], but they have an official policy of not robbing people who get by like the local grocer. [[spoiler:It's implied that the main reason [[LoanShark Strauss]] is ejected from the gang by Morgan is because he's breaking this rule, specifically targeting people with little to nothing with which to pay back the loans]].

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** The Van der Linde Gang will perform bank robberies, train jobs, and even steal cattle and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lend money at usurious rates]], but they have an official policy of not robbing people who who're just trying to get by by, like the local grocer.grocer. However, they're considered legitimate targets for robbery if they're secretly involved in a criminal enterprise, and thus are in "the life". [[spoiler:It's implied that the main reason [[LoanShark Strauss]] is ejected from the gang by Morgan is because he's breaking this rule, specifically targeting people with little to nothing with which to pay back the loans]].
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* PatrioticFervor: {{Downplayed}}. Sean nags "King" Arthur about his supposed English ancestry (Arthur is in fact [[UsefulNotes/MisplacedNationalism of Welsh descent]], and therefore a fellow Celt), but it's always in jest and it in itself is never a problem in their relationship so much as him generally being annoying.

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* BaitAndSwitch: He bears a strong resemblance to the Strange Man and is a StageMagician, potentially explaining the weird tricks the Strange Man performed in the first game. Both happen to be complete coincidences.

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** There's everything to suggest that he's a traitor, or at least disloyal to the gang; he disappears often and is ''very'' genteel for an ostensible ally of hard-knocks outlaws attempting to resist the urbanization and industrialization of the American West. However, he's a trusted source of information for the gang and in the end, [[spoiler:he's entirely innocuous, never betrays it, and only abandons it out of concern about Dutch's mental stability, without recourse to slinking away instead of actually declaring his intention to leave]].



* LastNameBasis: Almost always referred simply as Trelawny. [[spoiler: Arthur addresses him as Josiah when the former leaves the gang for good by chapter six]].

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* LastNameBasis: Almost always referred simply as Trelawny. [[spoiler: Arthur [[spoiler:Arthur addresses him as Josiah when the former leaves the gang for good by chapter six]].
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* NotTheIllnessThatKilledThem: [[spoiler:He dies by getting shot in the chest by Milton instead of succumbing to whatever illness he has]].
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: During a companion activity where Arthur and him investigate who have been massacring bison across New Hanover, Charles makes it clear that he only kills when necessary, killing wastefully and for fun appals him.
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* ArcherArchetype: He ticks all the boxes. He's silent but capable of being ruthless, and not only is he an excellent archer but also other ranged weapons too like throwing knifes, rifles, and tomahawks.
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don't forget about Tilly! she admittedly reacted with biting sarcasm to some of his less reasonable demands, but offered the same charity to him as Mary-Beth.


* BecauseYouWereNiceToMe: Kieran’s feelings for Mary-Beth stem from the fact that she was the only one who was kind to him when he was kept as a prisoner by the Van der Linde gang.

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* BecauseYouWereNiceToMe: Kieran’s feelings for Mary-Beth partially stem from the fact that she was the one of only one two people who was were kind to him when he was kept as a prisoner by the Van der Linde gang.
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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: [[spoiler: He's genuinely confused on why someone would [[EvenEvilHasStandards have qualms]] with what he does, and is genuinely shocked when Arthur throws him out, saying that he thought Arthur was hs friend.]]

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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: [[spoiler: He's genuinely confused on why someone would [[EvenEvilHasStandards have qualms]] with what he does, and is genuinely shocked when Arthur throws him out, saying that he thought Arthur was hs his friend.]]
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* YoungerThanTheyLook: He's only 55, but due to the shorter life expectancy rates in the Wild West and living most of his life as an outlaw he looks about a decade or two older than his actual age.
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* BecauseYouWereNiceToMe: Kieran’s feelings for Mary-Beth stem from the fact that she was the only one who was kind to him when he was kept as a prisoner by the Van der Lin gang.

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* BecauseYouWereNiceToMe: Kieran’s feelings for Mary-Beth stem from the fact that she was the only one who was kind to him when he was kept as a prisoner by the Van der Lin Linde gang.
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* BecauseYouWereNiceToMe: Kieran’s feelings for Mary-Beth stem from the fact that she was the only one who was kind to him when he was kept as a prisoner by the Van der Lin gang.

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* AgeGapRomance: She's visibly much younger than Dutch and is implied to be around Marston's age.

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* AgeGapRomance: She's visibly much younger than Dutch and is implied to be around John Marston's age.


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* SurprisinglySuddenDeath: [[spoiler:While she's ranting about how she loved Dutch and sold the gang out to the Pinkertons (turns out she didn't), she abruptly gets shot and killed by Miss Grimshaw]].
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* GoodAllAlong: Downplayed, as the gang doesn't think he's openly antagonistic to them. Instead, they don't seem to trust him that much due to his constant dissapearences. [[spoiler: He never betrays the gang and is shown to care about them when he turns up at Beaver Hollow at the gang lowest point. He only leaves them when he realizes staying will only lead to his death.]]

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* GoodAllAlong: Downplayed, as the gang doesn't think he's openly antagonistic to them. Instead, they don't seem to trust him that much due to his constant dissapearences. [[spoiler: He never betrays the gang and is shown to care about them when he turns up at Beaver Hollow at the gang gang's lowest point. He only leaves them when he realizes staying will only lead to his death.]]
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* AgeGapRomance: She's visibly much younger than Dutch and is implied to be around Marston's age.
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* BewareTheNiceOnes: He's usually a NiceGuy when you're around him, but when he discovers the massacre of several bison, he's ''pissed'' to the point he shoots one of the poachers dead without batting an eye and will complain to Arthur if he doesn't kll the other one. Micah, [[TheFriendNobodyLikes unsurprisingly]], spends a lot of time hassling Charles, until TheBigGuy throws him to the ground like a sack of potatoes and warns him to step off. Wisely, he does.

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* BewareTheNiceOnes: He's usually a NiceGuy when you're around him, but when he discovers the massacre of several bison, he's ''pissed'' to the point he shoots one of the poachers dead without batting an eye and will complain to Arthur if he doesn't kll kill the other one. Micah, [[TheFriendNobodyLikes unsurprisingly]], spends a lot of time hassling Charles, until TheBigGuy throws him to the ground like a sack of potatoes and warns him to step off. Wisely, he does.
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* BewareTheNiceOnes: He's usually a NiceGuy when you're around him, but when he discovers the massacre of several bison, he's ''pissed'' to the point he shoots one of the poachers dead without batting an eye. Micah, [[TheFriendNobodyLikes unsurprisingly]], spends a lot of time hassling Charles, until TheBigGuy throws him to the ground like a sack of potatoes and warns him to step off. Wisely, he does.

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* BewareTheNiceOnes: He's usually a NiceGuy when you're around him, but when he discovers the massacre of several bison, he's ''pissed'' to the point he shoots one of the poachers dead without batting an eye.eye and will complain to Arthur if he doesn't kll the other one. Micah, [[TheFriendNobodyLikes unsurprisingly]], spends a lot of time hassling Charles, until TheBigGuy throws him to the ground like a sack of potatoes and warns him to step off. Wisely, he does.
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* GoodCounterpart: Sadie is this to Micah. They share almost equal levels of bloodthirst, but their core values is what separates them apart. Both share similar levels of recklessness, and tend to not listen to orders and instead gun anyone in their way. However, unlike Micah, who only gives a damn only to himself, Sadie is loyal to those who trust and respect her and is quite moral whenever she's in a good head-space. And her psychotic breaks are mostly reserved for the O'Driscolls, who killed her husband and likely raped her, while Micah is introduced shooting up an entire town of civilians to get his guns back.

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* GoodCounterpart: Sadie is this to Micah. They share almost equal levels of bloodthirst, but their core values is what separates them apart. Both share similar levels of recklessness, and tend to not listen to orders and instead gun anyone in their way. However, unlike Micah, who only gives a damn only to about himself, Sadie is loyal to those who trust and respect her and is quite moral whenever she's in a good head-space. And her psychotic breaks are mostly reserved for the O'Driscolls, who killed her husband and likely raped her, while Micah is introduced shooting up an entire town of civilians to get his guns back.
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* NeverMessWithGranny: Is one of the most senior of the gang, with wrinkles on her face and greys in her hair, and holding a more passive role in the gang as the one who oversees the chores in camp. Underestimate her because of this, however, and it ''will'' be your ''last'' mistake. As she will ''gladly'' stab you in the throat, or cut you in half with her shotgun without a moment's hesitation if she decides you're a danger to her "family". [[spoiler: The Foreman Brothers, and Molly learned that the hard way; though she only kills one of the Foreman boys personally, she pointedly asked [[OneManArmy Arthur]] to come with her, sics him on the ones in the house, joins him in chasing down the ones who ran, and tells him that ''she'd'' slit Anthony Foreman's throat instead of letting him go if ''she'' was the one holding him instead of Arthur.]]

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* NeverMessWithGranny: Is one of the most senior oldest members of the gang, with wrinkles on her face and greys in her hair, and holding a more passive role in the gang as the one who oversees the chores in camp. Underestimate her because of this, however, and it ''will'' be your ''last'' mistake. As she will ''gladly'' stab you in the throat, or cut you in half with her shotgun without a moment's hesitation if she decides you're a danger to her "family". [[spoiler: The Foreman Brothers, and Molly learned that the hard way; though she only kills one of the Foreman boys personally, she pointedly asked [[OneManArmy Arthur]] to come with her, sics him on the ones in the house, joins him in chasing down the ones who ran, and tells him that ''she'd'' slit Anthony Foreman's throat instead of letting him go if ''she'' was the one holding him instead of Arthur.]]
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* EstablishingCharacterMoment: If Arthur robs Kieran while capuring him when they first meet, one of the few items he has is horse reviver, hinting at his affinity for horses.

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* EstablishingCharacterMoment: If Arthur robs Kieran while capuring capturing him when they first meet, one of the few items he has is horse reviver, hinting at his affinity for horses.
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* BlackAndNerdy: As noted above. Almost in defiance to the discredited Jim Crow-esque stereotype popularly disseminated [[DeliberateValuesDissonance (at the time)]] that blacks were somehow unintelligent, Lenny is ''very'' cunning. His skill with literacy in particular is [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] by his father lucking out big-time with some semblance of an education in spite of being a slave; one letter sent from the old man reveals that he himself had a large vocabulary and excellent penmanship, and even advises Lenny to say "is not", not the substitution "ain't", when reading the letter aloud to his presumably illiterate mother, showing just how important learning was for Lenny growing up. However, the canny attitude, perceptiveness, [[https://youtu.be/pf_lZGhWgzQ circumstantial awareness]] and ability to outwit Dutch in philosophical rhetoric is ''all'' Lenny, books or no books.

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* BlackAndNerdy: As noted above. Almost in defiance to the discredited Jim Crow-esque stereotype popularly disseminated [[DeliberateValuesDissonance (at the time)]] that blacks were somehow unintelligent, Lenny is ''very'' cunning.cunning and perceptive. His skill with literacy in particular is [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] by his father lucking out big-time with some semblance of an education in spite of being a slave; one letter sent from the old man reveals that he himself had a large vocabulary and excellent penmanship, and even advises Lenny to say "is not", not the substitution "ain't", when reading the letter aloud to his presumably illiterate mother, showing just how important learning was for Lenny growing up. However, the canny attitude, perceptiveness, attitude (for example, it's all but stated that [[spoiler:he and Karen are largely responsible for the investigative legwork taken to solidify Bill's plan to hit the bank in Valentine)]], [[https://youtu.be/pf_lZGhWgzQ circumstantial awareness]] and ability to outwit Dutch in philosophical rhetoric is ''all'' Lenny, books or no books.
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* BlackAndNerdy: As noted above. Almost in defiance to the discredited Jim Crow-esque stereotype popularly disseminated [[DeliberateValuesDissonance (at the time)]] that blacks were somehow unintelligent, Lenny is ''very'' cunning. His skill with literacy in particular is [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] by his father lucking out big-time with some semblance of an education in spite of being a slave; one letter sent from the old man reveals that he himself had a large vocabulary and excellent penmanship, and even advises Lenny to say "is not", not the substitution "ain't", when reading the letter aloud to his presumably illiterate mother, showing just how important learning was for Lenny growing up. However, the canny attitude, perceptiveness, social awareness and ability to outwit Dutch in philosophical rhetoric is ''all'' Lenny, books or no books.

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* BlackAndNerdy: As noted above. Almost in defiance to the discredited Jim Crow-esque stereotype popularly disseminated [[DeliberateValuesDissonance (at the time)]] that blacks were somehow unintelligent, Lenny is ''very'' cunning. His skill with literacy in particular is [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] by his father lucking out big-time with some semblance of an education in spite of being a slave; one letter sent from the old man reveals that he himself had a large vocabulary and excellent penmanship, and even advises Lenny to say "is not", not the substitution "ain't", when reading the letter aloud to his presumably illiterate mother, showing just how important learning was for Lenny growing up. However, the canny attitude, perceptiveness, social awareness [[https://youtu.be/pf_lZGhWgzQ circumstantial awareness]] and ability to outwit Dutch in philosophical rhetoric is ''all'' Lenny, books or no books.

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