History Characters / HomestuckPreScratchTrolls

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Billions and billions of years ago, a group of twelve trolls played Sburb[=/=]Sgrub. However their society left them unprepared for the rigors of the game and a mysterious glitch affected their session, preventing them from succeeding. With no other options left, they initiated a Scratch and reset themselves and their universe. In this new reality their Ancestors - the modern trolls we know- became the players, while the pre-Scratch players would become [[Characters/HomestuckTrollsOne the modern trolls' Ancestors]]. This time, with troll culture shaped by Doc Scratch, the players were able to win...[[NonstandardGameOver sort of]].

* NiceJobBreakingItHero: The pre-Scratch versions of the current trolls' Ancestors [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005953 performed the Scratch]], that's why post-Scratch Alternia is such an awful place, and why their universe is on Lord English's menu.

The first shown ghost troll, met by Jake briefly after blacking out. She is the pre-Scratch iteration of Marquise Spinneret Mindfang. She was the '''[[color:#ed7b00:Sylph of Light]]''' of her session, sharing her aspect with Vriska.

* FanNickname: The [[http://ib.skaia.net/post/list Skaia]] imageboard has her tagged as '{{Nerd}} Mindfang', after speculation that she is in fact pre-Scratch Mindfang (which was later proved correct).

First seen when Roxy was temporarily trapped in the Furthest Ring, she is the pre-Scratch iteration of the Condesce, and was the '''[[color:#78ab5f:Thief of Life]]''' of her session.

Very little is known about this character. She is presumed to have been the Hero of Mind in the Pre-Scratch Troll Session.

* IdenticalGrandson: She resembles her mother, Terezi. This is in fact how we even know she exists, as Meenah mentioned Terezi looked like "pyrope".

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* ImprobableWeaponUser: While Vriska throws dice, Aranea flips coins.

A mysterious dead troll from an unknown session, first seen when Roxy was temporarily trapped in the Furthest Ring. She is the pre-Scratch iteration of the Condesce, and was the '''[[color:#78ab5f:Thief of Life]]''' of her session.

!!!Zahhak ??????
A troll [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006667 briefly mentioned]] by Aranea to be her neighbor. He has yet to properly appear in the comic. As such, there is very little known about him.
* TheMedic: Aranea, pretending to be Vriska, mentions that he can fix up a broken arm.

* FantasticCasteSystem: Like in the Post-Scratch world, they have the [[FantasticRacism Hemospectrum]]. However, rather than being outright racist, theirs simply determines what role you will play in society. Notability, the higher bloods actually help and guide the lower ones, rather then oppress them.

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* PerfectPacifistPeople: Subverted, though when compared to [[CrapsackWorld Post-Scratch]], it seems like this. They still have criminals though, just look at [[AxeCrazy Meenah]].

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* CrystalDragonJesus: She wears a small Cancer symbol around her neck, and it's even visible on her sprite. Notably however, Mindfang was ''not'' a follower of the Sufferer's - but see above.

* FantasticCasteSystem: Like in the Post-Scratch, they have the [[FantasticRacism Hemospectrum]], however it is more like what job your going to get, than outright racism. Notability, the higher bloods actually help and guide the lower ones, rather then oppress them.

* FantasticCasteSystem: Like in the Post-Scratch, they have the Hemospectrum, however it is more like what job your going to get, than outright racism.

** Played with as well. Aranea is the one who consulted Echidna about the Scratch, ''not'' the Dolorosa's counterpart. This is contrast to Jade, who did.

* CrystalDragonJesus: She wears a small Cancer symbol around her neck, and it's even visible on her sprite. Notably however, Mindfang was ''not'' a follower of the Sufferer's.

* FanNickname: The [[http://ib.skaia.net/post/list Skaia]] imageboard has her tagged as '{{Nerd}} Mindfang', after speculation that she is in fact pre-Scratch Mindfang, that proved correct.

* TimeyWimeyBall: Aranea witnessed the entire birth and death of the Post-Scratch Troll civilization before Meenah even entered her first dreambubble.

* MarySue: Invoked. She mentions she was a boring version of Sue who would often turn discussion around to being about her.
** Played with as well. Aranea is the one who consulted Echidna about the Scratch, ''not'' the Dolorosa's counterpart, as both other known Heroes of Space did.

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Billions and billions of years ago, a group of twelve trolls played Sburb[=/=]Sgrub. However their society left them unprepared for the rigors of the game and a mysterious glitch affected their session, preventing them from succeeding. With no other options left, they initiated a Scratch and reset themselves and their universe. In this new reality their Ancestors - the modern trolls we know- became the players, while the pre-Scratch players would become [[Characters/HomestuckTrollsOne the modern trolls' Ancestors]]. This time, with troll culture shaped by Doc Scratch, the players were able to win...[[NonstandardGameOver sort of]].

This seemed to be the end of their story, until a pair of hitherto-unknown deceased troll girls started appearing in dream bubbles...

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!!!Universal Tropes:
* CastHerd: Averted thus far, but the Pre-Scratch session did have 12 players, all of whom perished and might appear in dreambubbles, and the influence of some of the Pre-Scratch Ancestors has been hinted at, suggesting they too might make an appearance.
** Possibly even defied, as Aranea says she and Meenah both were pretty much loners.
* CallBack: From what little has been said about their session, it's greatly similar to the Human Pre-Scratch Session, only where the Humans did everything right and barely managed to survive, everything went to shit for the Trolls.
* DeadToBeginWith: And given that they seem to show up in dreambubbles, they are implicitly confirmed to be dead players. How they died is uncertain, but it is confirmed not to have been due to the Scratch.
* DealWithTheDevil: WordOfGod has likened their decision to initiate the Scratch in their own session as one, given that it basically allowed Doc Scratch, often described as the manipulative devil figure of the series, free reign to twist the post-Scratch Alternia into the CrapsackWorld it eventually became.
* GenerationXerox: They're identical to the Ancestors and heavily resemble their parents, the Modern Trolls.
* MilkyWhiteEyes
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: The pre-Scratch versions of the current trolls' Ancestors [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005953 performed the Scratch]], that's why post-Scratch Alternia is such an awful place, and why their universe is on Lord English's menu.
** On the other hand it was a SadisticChoice; either they let their species die out or give them some hope of survival.
* PlotRelevantAgeUp: They seem to be noticeably older than the other trolls; probably being roughly 16 like just about everyone else is in Act 6.
* TimeyWimeyBall: Aranea witnessed the entire birth and death of the Post-Scratch Troll civilization before Meenah even entered her first dreambubble.

!!!Aranea ??????
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The first shown ghost troll, met by Jake briefly after blacking out. She is the pre-Scratch iteration of Marquise Spinneret Mindfang. She was the '''[[color:#ed7b00:Sylph of Light]]''' of her session, sharing her aspect with Vriska.

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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: She wanted to be strong, independent, and not care as much about what other people thought of her. The Scratch gave her that wish, at least vicariously, in the form of the life of Mindfang... but she readily admits that the price of the [[CrapsackWorld other]] effects of the Scratch make it Not Worth It.
* CallBack: Her hair is a mix of Vriska, John, and Terezi's.
** The Sufferer's necklace may be a reference to a line in Mindfang's journal, where she found the Sufferer's tale "compelling".
* CrystalDragonJesus: She wears a small Cancer symbol around her neck, and it's even visible on her sprite. Notably however, Mindfang was ''not'' a follower of the Sufferer's.
* CuteLittleFangs: Per [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006482 her first appearance.]]
* {{Expy}}: She has a number of similarities to Rose, though part of that is possibly because they are both Heroes of Light.
* FanNickname: The [[http://ib.skaia.net/post/list Skaia]] imageboard has her tagged as '{{Nerd}} Mindfang', after speculation that she is in fact pre-Scratch Mindfang, that proved correct.
** [[LighterAndSofter "Kindfang"]] has shown up in Something Awful's MSPA thread.
* [[EvilCounterpart Good Counterpart]]: To Vriska. It's even lampshaded, although Aranea herself admits that she wasn't perfect either and that the others didn't really like her much.
-->[[color:teal:GC: [=H3H3H3H3. YOU R34LLY 4R3 L1K3 4 N1C3 VR1SK4=]]]
* MarySue: Invoked. She mentions she was a boring version of Sue who would often turn discussion around to being about her.
** Played with as well. Aranea is the one who consulted Echidna about the Scratch, ''not'' the Dolorosa's counterpart, as both other known Heroes of Space did.
* MeaningfulName: ''Aranea'' is a genus of garden-variety orb-weaver spiders. It's also Latin for [[ShapedLikeItself spider]].
* NiceShoes
* PhysicalGod: Like her post-Scratch counterpart, she had ascended to the God Tiers.
* PimpedOutDress: Compared the the Beta trolls' BoringButPractical outfits. It also seems to be an inversion of the typical plain black troll shirt with their symbol in their blood color, as her dress is a deep blue (seemingly her blood color) with a plain white symbol.
** It's also very similar (possibly even a reference) to the white fairy dress Vriska once wore.
* ProductPlacement: Her necklace seems to be a picture of the one actually available in the ''What Pumpkin'' store.
* SesquipedalianLoquaciousness
* SpiritAdvisor: The truest example of the trope in ''Homestuck'' yet.
* TimeAbyss: She's spent so much time in the Furthest Ring that time no longer has much meaning to her.
* ZettaiRyouiki: Type B.

!!!Meenah ??????
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A mysterious dead troll from an unknown session, first seen when Roxy was temporarily trapped in the Furthest Ring. She is the pre-Scratch iteration of the Condesce, and was the '''[[color:#78ab5f:Thief of Life]]''' of her session.

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* AllAccordingToPlan: She's quite happy to find out that she's dead, even though she thinks she's in hell, because it means her plan ''worked''. According to Aranea, this is because Meenah's plan is what kept them from all being consigned to non-existence by rebooting their session.
* AxCrazy: Assaults Roxy immediately after being introduced with a SlasherSmile the whole time. She later tells John she wants to kill Roxy for the hell of it.
--> [[color:#77003c:MEENAH: dont know who she is but i know W)(AT she is]]
--> [[color:#77003c:MEENAH: shes done]]
--> [[color:#0715cd:JOHN: huh?]]
--> [[color:#77003c:MEENAH: ever do any baking nerd]]
--> [[color:#0715cd:JOHN: yeah, a little...]]
--> [[color:#77003c:MEENAH: then you know -EXACTLY what you do with somefin thats done]]
--> [[color:#77003c:MEENAH: you stick a fork in it]]
* CallBack: Her hair is reminiscent of Jade's God Tier hood. It is also similar to the Handmaid's hair, except the twin tails are in the back instead of the front.
** Her SlasherSmile and demeanor seem by and large similar to the Condesce's, while her weapon is identical to Feferi's and Condesce's shared WeaponOfChoice.
** [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006543 The part where she attacks Roxy]] is a CallBack to the Midnight Crew Intermission where [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003192 Spades Slick tries to choke someone unconscious]].
** The baking metaphor above may be a nod to the Condesce's role as the Batterwitch.
* TheCameo: In a FreezeFrameBonus during a DerangedAnimation sequence in [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006565 Jane: Enter]]. The nature of the cameo suggests a connection to The Condesce and possibly Post-Scratch Earth
* FanNickname: Much like the Scorpio troll, the Skaia imageboard tags her as '{{UsefulNotes/Punk}} Condesce'
** FandomNod: The narration later says she's "punky looking".
* FlashStep
* {{Jerkass}}: Pretty solidly pegs herself as one when she dismisses John as a nerd and tries to kill Roxy again.
* MeaningfulName: "Mina" or "Meena" is Sanskrit for the Pisces zodiac sign (literally meaning "fish"). It is also an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meena Indian caste]]. "Meen" is also a homophone of "mean", which she certainly is.
%% Not really hearing the "Meaner" connection (the "ah/uh" sound is very different from the "er" sound"), and the mention of Meen and Mean being homophones covers it anyways.
* MoreTeethThanTheOsmondFamily
* PinkMeansFeminine: Aversion. She's associated with pink because Pisces is associated with pink, not because of any feature of her personality.
* ProngsOfPoseidon
** DoubleWeapon
* ScaryShinyGlasses: Though that's mostly due to her MilkyWhiteEyes.
** FourEyesZeroSoul
* SlasherSmile: Seemingly constantly.
* ShortHairWithTail: Actually two thin tails, both long enough to trail behind her on the ground.
* ThisIsForEmphasisBitch
* TokenEvilTeammate: For the Pre-Scratch trolls as a whole. As Aranea puts it:
--> [[color:#005682: AG: [Vriska] was a serious trou8lemaker in your party. Many player groups have to deal with those.]]
--> [[color:#005682: AG: I feel as though we had one of the worst cases in our party. 8ut when all was said and done, she was still our friend.]]
* VillainProtagonist: She's an alternate version of the current BigBad. Note that similar things have occurred with other [[BigBad Big Bads]], like Cal and [=SBaHJ=] being a primer on Doc Scratch, or Spades Slick providing characterization for Jack Noir.
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