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It was Archaon who tricked Sigmar to throw his hammer.


** However he gets overshadowed by Tzeentch who ends up being the true mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic and further his own plans. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. JUST AS PLANNED!

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** However he gets overshadowed by Tzeentch who ends up being the true mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic and further his own plans. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. JUST AS PLANNED!
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** However he gets overshadowed by Tzeentch who ends up being the True mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic and further his own plans. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. JUST AS PLANNED!

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** However he gets overshadowed by Tzeentch who ends up being the True true mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic and further his own plans. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. JUST AS PLANNED!
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** However he gets [[Overshadowed]] by Tzeentch who ends up being the True mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic and further his own plans. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. [[spoiler: This keeps up within the game, as Khrone forces are stuck as Jobbers while Tzeentch is the only Chaos god able to stop Sigmar.]] JUST AS PLANNED!

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** However he gets [[Overshadowed]] overshadowed by Tzeentch who ends up being the True mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic and further his own plans. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. [[spoiler: This keeps up within the game, as Khrone forces are stuck as Jobbers while Tzeentch is the only Chaos god able to stop Sigmar.]] JUST AS PLANNED!
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** However its gets OverShadow by Tzeentch who ends up being the True mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. [[spoiler: This keeps up within the game, as Khrone forces are stuck as Jobbers while Tzeentch is the only Chaos god able to stop Sigmar.]] JUST AS PLANNED!

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** However its he gets OverShadow [[Overshadowed]] by Tzeentch who ends up being the True mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic.chaotic and further his own plans. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. [[spoiler: This keeps up within the game, as Khrone forces are stuck as Jobbers while Tzeentch is the only Chaos god able to stop Sigmar.]] JUST AS PLANNED!
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** Another rather awesome moment is that [[spoiler: despite being sold out by Mannfred von Carstein in those final moments, Tarsus still gives Mannfred a chance to escape Nagash's wrath as repayment for the genuine help the Vampire actually did give them in their journey across Shyish.]]

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** Another rather awesome moment is that [[spoiler: despite being sold out by Mannfred von Carstein in those final moments, Tarsus still gives Mannfred a chance to escape Nagash's wrath as repayment for the genuine help the Vampire actually did give them in their journey across Shyish.]] [[spoiler: This event actually makes Mannfred feel guilty after countless aeons.]]
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* And a nice slice of Awesome for you, the players, to experience, is the Battleplan ''Clash of Titans'' in the Battletome: Everchosen. You take two of the big God models (in-story, this is done with Nagash and Archaon) and they duke it out, complete with armies fighting all around them and them using a very cinematic system to plan their moves. The focus is entirely on them, and it is infinitely awesome to have these two duke it out.

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* And a nice slice of Awesome for you, the players, to experience, is the Battleplan ''Clash of Titans'' in the Battletome: Everchosen. You take two of the big God models (in-story, this is done with Nagash and Archaon) and they duke it out, complete with armies fighting all around them and them using a very cinematic system to plan their moves. The focus is entirely on them, and it is infinitely awesome to have these two duke it out.out.
* Nagash is making a comeback after over two years of Chaos being the most prominent threat of the game; Kicked off with a bunch of well-written and acted mini-videos and a brand new website, ''Malign Portents'' is story-based event with the Lord of Undeath [[spoiler: seemingly finalising the construction of a new Black Pyramid, and the other alliances racing to stop his machinations. That GW have already stated 2018 is going to be a good year for Death players suggests they're already too late]].
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** However its gets OverShadow by Tzeentch who ends up being the True mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. [[spoiler: this keeps up within the game, as Khrone forces are stuck as Jobbers while Tzeentch is the only Chaos god able to stop Sigmar.]] JUST AS PLANNED!

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** However its gets OverShadow by Tzeentch who ends up being the True mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. [[spoiler: this This keeps up within the game, as Khrone forces are stuck as Jobbers while Tzeentch is the only Chaos god able to stop Sigmar.]] JUST AS PLANNED!
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** However its gets OverShadow by Tzeentch who ends up being the True mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. [[spoiler: this keeps up within the game, as Khrone forces are stuck as Jobbers while Tzeentch is the only Chaos god able to stop Sigmar.]]

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** However its gets OverShadow by Tzeentch who ends up being the True mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. [[spoiler: this keeps up within the game, as Khrone forces are stuck as Jobbers while Tzeentch is the only Chaos god able to stop Sigmar.]] ]] JUST AS PLANNED!
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* The Hunt for Nagash audio-drama series sees the Hallowed Knights Warrior-Chamber, "The Bullhearts", dispatched to Shyish to attempt to recruit Nagash to Sigmar's side for the ongoing Realmgate Wars. Needless to say, it goes badly. [[spoiler: Nagash refuses any kind of deal with Sigmar and kills all of the Stormcast remaining aside from Lord-Celestant Tarsus Bullheart, but also prevents their souls from returning to Azyr. Knowing what he has to do, Tarsus launches the Azyrite hammers from his cloak and catches Nagash off-guard, actually knocking the God of the Dead on his ass, allowing his brothers to escape while he remains trapped. And how does he go out? Charging head first into an extremely pissed-off Nagash with no fear.]] Sigmar would be proud.
** Another rather awesome moment is that [[spoiler: despite being sold out by Mannfred von Carstein in those final moments, Tarsus still gives Mannfred a chance to escape Nagash's wrath as repayment for the genuine help the Vampire actually did give them in their journey across Shyish.]]

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** It has been confirmed! The Celestant-Prime can redeem souls from the corruption of Chaos with Ghal-Maraz, [[spoiler: the Nurglite Chaos Lord Torglug the Despised being the first Champion of Chaos to be redeemed and added to the ranks of the Stormcast Eternals, as Tornus the Hero of the Hallowed Knights.]]

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** It has been confirmed! The Celestant-Prime can redeem souls from the corruption of Chaos with Ghal-Maraz, [[spoiler: the Nurglite Chaos Lord Torglug the Despised being the first Champion of Chaos to be redeemed and added to the ranks of the Stormcast Eternals, as Tornus the Hero Redeemed of the Hallowed Knights.]]



* At one point during the Realmgate Wars book series, a Lord-Celestant named Gardus draws a Great Unclean One into ''the Realm of Chaos itself''. No Eternal has ever been there, and Sigmar has no presence there. Even more awesome? ''He lives. And comes back.''

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* At one point during the Realmgate Wars book series, a Lord-Celestant named Gardus draws a Great Unclean One into ''the Realm of Chaos itself''. No Eternal has ever been there, and Sigmar has no presence there. Even more awesome? ''He lives. And comes back.''''
* And a nice slice of Awesome for you, the players, to experience, is the Battleplan ''Clash of Titans'' in the Battletome: Everchosen. You take two of the big God models (in-story, this is done with Nagash and Archaon) and they duke it out, complete with armies fighting all around them and them using a very cinematic system to plan their moves. The focus is entirely on them, and it is infinitely awesome to have these two duke it out.
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** However its gets OverShadow by Tzeentch who ends up being the True mastermind behind much of the events of above, in order to keep Chaos chaotic. He's also the reason for Sigmar to lose his hammer and Slaanesh being taken out. [[spoiler: this keeps up within the game, as Khrone forces are stuck as Jobbers while Tzeentch is the only Chaos god able to stop Sigmar.]]
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** It has been confirmed! The Celestant-Prime can redeem souls from the corruption of Chaos with Ghal-Maraz, [[spoiler: the Nurglite Chaos Lord Torglug the Despised being the first Champion of Chaos to be redeemed and added to the ranks of the Stormcast Eternals, as Tornus the Hero of the Hallowed Knights.]]
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** During one battle against Chaos "a mummified Slann with a golden mask that wielded the powers of a god and whose soul is more ancient than the first Daemons rained down meteors from the sky using his mind." And as that happened "the stars re-arranged themselves into the grinning face of a frog with red eyes."

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** During one battle against Chaos "a mummified Slann with a golden mask that wielded the powers of a god and whose soul is more ancient than the first Daemons rained down meteors from the sky using his mind." And as that happened "the stars re-arranged themselves into the grinning face of a frog with red eyes."". In other words: [[spoiler: Lord Kroak is back, baby.]]
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** One instance from the Stormcast Battletome details the attempts to take Black Chasm Bridge; eleven Stormhosts had failed previously. With the arrival of the Celestant-Prime, the way was cleared quickly.
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*** While this was happening a lone Skaven watched the battle and "was plagued by horrific nightmares of Lustria, Skaven being ritually sacrificed and all the horror the Lizardmen inflicted on the Ratmen through the ages." This is because during the End Times the Horned Rat went up against Sotek the Snake God and was beaten down so completely that even now the Skaven are utterly horrified by just the sight of the Seraphon.

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*** While this was happening a lone Skaven watched the battle and "was plagued by horrific nightmares of Lustria, Skaven being ritually sacrificed and all the horror the Lizardmen inflicted on the Ratmen through the ages." This is because during the End Times the Horned Rat went up against Sotek the Snake God and was beaten down so completely that even now the Skaven are utterly horrified by just the sight of the Seraphon.Seraphon.
* At one point during the Realmgate Wars book series, a Lord-Celestant named Gardus draws a Great Unclean One into ''the Realm of Chaos itself''. No Eternal has ever been there, and Sigmar has no presence there. Even more awesome? ''He lives. And comes back.''
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** It's also worth noting that Slaanesh's minions are still around and causing trouble in their search to find where the Aelves have imprisoned Slaanesh. This could make Slaanesh a particularly nasty kind of [[SealedEvilInACan Sealed Evil in a Can]]. If Games Workshop do push forward with an evolving narrative I bet this will be a major story point.

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** It's also worth noting that Slaanesh's minions are still around and causing trouble in their search to find where the Aelves have imprisoned Slaanesh. This could make Slaanesh a particularly nasty kind of [[SealedEvilInACan Sealed Evil in a Can]]. If Games Workshop do push forward with an evolving narrative I bet this will be a major story point.point.
* The Celestant-Prime, the first of the Stormcast Eternals and the most powerful champion of Order apart from Sigmar himself [[spoiler: and possibly the spirit of Karl Franz reincarnated]], can do something even Sigmar cannot do. He can purify Daemons, he can convert the very essence of Blood, Plague, Lust and Change into energies of the light, and Sigmar can turn that energy into Stormcast Eternals. The Prime can redeem Chaos.
* The Seraphon (Lizardmen) have taken a million levels in badass and become Daemons of Order, Azyr magic forming their very bodies, while the Starseers (Slann) have decided to take advantage of Chaos' greatest weakness; its inability to learn from its mistakes, really to learn anything at all. With their ability to see everything that goes on in the Mortal Realms, something even Tzeentch can't do, the Seraphon have essentially turned the entire Realmgate Wars into a chess match between them and the Dark Gods.
** During one battle against Chaos "a mummified Slann with a golden mask that wielded the powers of a god and whose soul is more ancient than the first Daemons rained down meteors from the sky using his mind." And as that happened "the stars re-arranged themselves into the grinning face of a frog with red eyes."
** During another battle against Chaos a horde of Nurglite warriors accidentally opened a Realmgate into the Seraphon's realm rather than Nurgle's, and in the ensuing massacre the Warlord managed to kill one of the rampaging Order Daemons, only for the Azyr magic it was formed of to remove Nurgle's taint from him, rendering him killable.
*** While this was happening a lone Skaven watched the battle and "was plagued by horrific nightmares of Lustria, Skaven being ritually sacrificed and all the horror the Lizardmen inflicted on the Ratmen through the ages." This is because during the End Times the Horned Rat went up against Sotek the Snake God and was beaten down so completely that even now the Skaven are utterly horrified by just the sight of the Seraphon.
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* The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[TheHedonist nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Though this may be related to the fact that the four Chaos Gods each send a super champion to fight. Slaanesh, the Deity of Excess and Pleasure, send the weakest one in a temporary fit of ''moderation''. This apparently bit Slaanesh square back in the ass.

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* The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[TheHedonist nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Though this may be related to the fact that the four Chaos Gods each send a super champion to fight. Slaanesh, the Deity of Excess and Pleasure, send sent the weakest one in a temporary fit of ''moderation''. This apparently bit Slaanesh square back in the ass.
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* The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Though this may be related to the fact that the four Chaos Gods each send a super champion to fight. Slaanesh, the Deity of Excess and Pleasure, send the weakest one in a temporary fit of moderation (!?). This apparently bit Slaanesh square back in the ass.

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* The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil Slaa]][[TheHedonist nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Though this may be related to the fact that the four Chaos Gods each send a super champion to fight. Slaanesh, the Deity of Excess and Pleasure, send the weakest one in a temporary fit of moderation (!?).''moderation''. This apparently bit Slaanesh square back in the ass.

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* The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Though this may be related to the fact that the four Chaos Gods each send a super champion to fight. Slaanesh, the Deity of Excess and Pleasure, send the weakest one in a temporary fit of insanity (?) and moderation (!?). This apparently bit Slaanesh square back in the ass.
** Some see it as this; others see it as setting up the Elves, particularly Tyrion, as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].

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* The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Though this may be related to the fact that the four Chaos Gods each send a super champion to fight. Slaanesh, the Deity of Excess and Pleasure, send the weakest one in a temporary fit of insanity (?) and moderation (!?). This apparently bit Slaanesh square back in the ass.
** Some see it as this; others see it as setting up the Elves, particularly Tyrion, as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].
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** It's also worth noting that Slaanesh's minions are still around and causing trouble in their search to find where the Aelves have imprisoned Slaanesh. Making Slaanesh a particularly nasty kind of [[SealedEvilInACan Sealed Evil in a Can]]. If Games Workshop do push forward with an evolving narrative I bet this will be a major story point.

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** It's also worth noting that Slaanesh's minions are still around and causing trouble in their search to find where the Aelves have imprisoned Slaanesh. Making This could make Slaanesh a particularly nasty kind of [[SealedEvilInACan Sealed Evil in a Can]]. If Games Workshop do push forward with an evolving narrative I bet this will be a major story point.
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** However, it should be noted that going off and doing this [[NiceJobBreakingItHero caused Sigmar's alliance to weaken enough for Chaos to get a much needed foothold due to their absence.]]

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** However, it should be noted that going off and doing this [[NiceJobBreakingItHero caused Sigmar's alliance to weaken enough for Chaos to get a much needed foothold due to their absence.]]]]
** It's also worth noting that Slaanesh's minions are still around and causing trouble in their search to find where the Aelves have imprisoned Slaanesh. Making Slaanesh a particularly nasty kind of [[SealedEvilInACan Sealed Evil in a Can]]. If Games Workshop do push forward with an evolving narrative I bet this will be a major story point.
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* The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Though this may be related to the fact that the four Chaos Gods each send a super champion to fight. Slaanesh, the Deity of Excess and Pleasure, send the weakest one in a temporary fit of insanity (?) and moderation. This apparently bit Slaanesh square back in the ass.

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* The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Though this may be related to the fact that the four Chaos Gods each send a super champion to fight. Slaanesh, the Deity of Excess and Pleasure, send the weakest one in a temporary fit of insanity (?) and moderation.moderation (!?). This apparently bit Slaanesh square back in the ass.
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* The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far.

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* The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Though this may be related to the fact that the four Chaos Gods each send a super champion to fight. Slaanesh, the Deity of Excess and Pleasure, send the weakest one in a temporary fit of insanity (?) and moderation. This apparently bit Slaanesh square back in the ass.
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** Some see it as this; others see it as setting up the Elves, particularly Tyrion, as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].

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** Some see it as this; others see it as setting up the Elves, particularly Tyrion, as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].Sues]].
** However, it should be noted that going off and doing this [[NiceJobBreakingItHero caused Sigmar's alliance to weaken enough for Chaos to get a much needed foothold due to their absence.]]
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* Khorne absolutely steamrolling everything in the setting's ancient history. Gork and Mork? Couldn't touch him. The Aelves? Bulldozed aside. Sigmar's alliance? Crushed. The best part? During the later Age of Daemons when all the other gods tried to gang up on him, they STILL couldn't hope to challenge the Blood God, united as they were! This finally offers definitive proof of what has been stated in the background fluff for both Fantasy as well as 40K - Khorne truly is the mightiest of all the gods. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
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Crowning Moment of Awesome is already a YMMV trope. To call it such is a redundancy.


** Your Mileage may vary on this. Some see it as this; others see it as setting up the Elves, particularly Tyrion, as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].

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** Your Mileage may vary on this. Some see it as this; others see it as setting up the Elves, particularly Tyrion, as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].
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** Your Mileage may vary on this. Some see it as this; others see it either [[ExecutiveMeddling an attempt to reduce the sexual/more controversial aspects in the setting and broaden their target audience]] or setting up the Elves, particularly Tyrion, as [[MarySue Mary Sues]]. Though the "remove sexual aspects" theory is demonstrably false, as Slaanesh's forces are still active parts of the background.

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** Your Mileage may vary on this. Some see it as this; others see it either [[ExecutiveMeddling an attempt to reduce the sexual/more controversial aspects in the setting and broaden their target audience]] or as setting up the Elves, particularly Tyrion, as [[MarySue Mary Sues]]. Though the "remove sexual aspects" theory is demonstrably false, as Slaanesh's forces are still active parts of the background.
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* The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Some see it as this; others see it either [[ExecutiveMeddling an attempt to reduce the sexual/more controversial aspects in the setting and broaden their target audience]] or setting up the Elves as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].
** As for the sexual aspects - demonstrably false, as Slaanesh's forces are still active parts of the background.

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* The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far.
** Your Mileage may vary on this.
Some see it as this; others see it either [[ExecutiveMeddling an attempt to reduce the sexual/more controversial aspects in the setting and broaden their target audience]] or setting up the Elves Elves, particularly Tyrion, as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].
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Sues]]. Though the "remove sexual aspects - aspects" theory is demonstrably false, as Slaanesh's forces are still active parts of the background.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Some see it as this; others see it either [[ExecutiveMeddling an attempt to reduce the sexual/more controversial aspects in the setting and broaden their target audience]] or setting up the Elves as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].

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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Some see it as this; others see it either [[ExecutiveMeddling an attempt to reduce the sexual/more controversial aspects in the setting and broaden their target audience]] or setting up the Elves as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Some see it as this; others see it either [[ExecutiveMeddling an attempt to reduce the sexual/more controversial aspects in the setting and broaden their target audience]] or setting up the Elves as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].

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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Some see it as this; others see it either [[ExecutiveMeddling an attempt to reduce the sexual/more controversial aspects in the setting and broaden their target audience]] or setting up the Elves as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].Sues]].
** As for the sexual aspects - demonstrably false, as Slaanesh's forces are still active parts of the background.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: The fact the Aelfs somehow managed to capture and neutralise [[EldritchAbomination Slaa]][[GodOfEvil nesh]] given how utterly unstoppable and omnipotent he/she has been portrayed as in both 40k and Fantasy thus far. Some see it as this; others see it either [[ExecutiveMeddling an attempt to reduce the sexual/more controversial aspects in the setting and broaden their target audience]] or setting up the Elves as [[MarySue Mary Sues]].

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