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This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.


Lale: Nitpikcing over hyperbole in the main page:

  • This editor is of the opinion that the above editor is the one who Did Not Do The Research... Specifically by reading the Old Testament and that a quick whipping and crucifiction is the most painful method possible to execute some one, as opposed to, for instance, impalement of the type performer by Vlad the Impaler.
    • This editor can come up with a million more painful methods of execution than simply whipping and crucifying someone. Plus I'm an Atheist!

Ninjacrat: After mature consideration, pulling:

The Authority is not the Christian God.
The Church in the trilogy clearly believes Eve's act of eating the Forbidden Fruit granted humans free will and knowledge, which The Authority and the Church hate, view as a threat, and try to suppress. But the Christian God created humans with free will; otherwise, Eve wouldn't have been able to choose to disobey God's command and eat the fruit. Plus, Metatron is a tyrant who kills those who disobey him, while the Christian God is loving and forgiving and died via the most painful method possible to save those who disobey Him from the consequences. A heartless tyrant doesn't make that kind of sacrifice for His people. Either Metatron and the Authority have lied to their human followers all these centuries, or Pullman Did Not Do The Research. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

The trilogy is pro-Republic of Heaven propaganda written by Lord Asriel or one of his followers to persuade people to join the rebellion against the Church.
This would explain the discrepancies between the trilogy's portrayal of the Authority and the Church, and the Christian God and Church the author meant to deconstruct; all propaganda exaggerates or ignores facts depending on the best way to portray its cause.

because they really don't seem to be guesses so much some troper's bafflement and/or feigned bafflement at anyone writing a story in which God isn't the hero. Also, like all Real World Religion-related WMGs they were attracting epic amounts of Stupid.

Lale: Yeah, that's mature; instead of coming up with a counter theory, just delete it. I wish could delete all the entries on this site I don't like.

TTD: Putting them back in, especially given that Phil Pullman all but confirmed the first one.

Ninjacrat: If he confirmed it then it's not a wild guess, is it? Christ, the first one is actually accusing him of writing god as a villain because he "did not do the research". The sheer confusion of thought behind that sentence is staggering.

Pulling them again, for the same reasons as already stated: they're not guesses but badly confused bids to 'clear God's name' (is God that thin-skinned?), and they've got proven ability to attract the worst kind of Dumb.

(Or would pull them again, except they never went back in...?)

(Nope, there they go.)

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