This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Keru: LT, I'm trying to understand the reasoning for the bit about The Ojou sometimes being a comical subversion. (Not saying that it doesn't happen, necessarily... just trying to figure out the thought process.)
Osh: The Ojou sometimes likes to think she's a YN when it's obvious she's too meanspirited, loud, or goofy to be one. Although there's an overlap, YN is one of those tropes that still tends to get played straight whenever it's done. The Oujo can be done straight or silly with about equal frequency.
Looney Toons: Although it should probably be obvious from Osh's answer, I didn't add the line about the Ojou — I just changed the markup on it.
osh: Forgot. A good example are two girls in Ai Yori Aoshi. That purple-haired short girl is an Ojou, but Aoi is clearly the YN.
Keru: Yeah, I was running around in a hurry, and my eyes slid right over that part of his entry in the history markup. Sorry, LT.
Looney Toons: No prob.
Looney Toons: Is Steel Angel Kurumi: Encore another name for Steel Angel Kurumi 2 or 0, or is it a new series entirely?
Drow Lord: It's a four-episode omake based on the first series.
Shouldn't Tsukamoto Yakumo from School Rumble fall under the category yandere? She initially appears to be a Yamato Nadeshiko, but she shows herself prone to acts of violence and jealousy very late in the story.
Midori? Really? Isn't the Yamato Nadeshiko supposed to be sweetly dignified? Dignity isn't a concept I associate with hand-girl.
Zeke: She's a bit more energetic than most YNs, but she certainly aspires to the role, and she has many of the other characteristics.
Steelhead Tsotha: It looks like the off-site link to the FAQ explaining this has been broken for a long while.
Zeke: Fixed. I've also done some work on the intro. (In particular, "beyond this wiki writer's scope" had annoyed me for a while; why say it's beyond your scope and then talk about it?)
Fly: Aeris is not a Yamato Nadeshiko. No no no NO NO NO NO. Does the pink dress really fool people that much?!
Wolfiso: Would the southern belle, perhaps, be a western version of this?
Runespoor: Removing Hinata from Naruto. She may be shy, but her character either lacks either subverts the following: "Basically it revolves around acting for the benefit of the family and obeying and assisting authority figures (father/husband). Virtues include loyalty, domestic ability, wisdom, and humility." She's considered a failure to her family and her primary defining trait is wanting to change herself, which makes her a Determinator.
MelMel2: Couldn't Michiru from Sailor Moon be considered a Yamato Nadeshiko.
Also from Sailor Moon, this anonymous troper is not very familiar with the series but isn't Hotaru Tomoe the freaking embodiment of this trope? Barrier Warrior and all.
Trouser Wearing Barbarian: Made a slight change to the Final Fantasy entry, because there's nothing Faux about Yuna's Action Girl status in Final Fantasy X 2.
Rebochan: I updated the image with one of Belldandy posing in a dress very typical of girls in this trope. Mainly because the linked image was not on the tropes server, it looked badly stretched, and I dunno, I think Belldandy made more sense than a nameless Japanese girl considering how often she comes up in those discussions.
Sackett: Here is the old picture for comparison: 
Rogue 7: I preferred the first one, largely because, nameless or not, I'd hit it like the fist of an angry god.
Runespoor: Removing this:
- Hinata Hyuga of Naruto, who is exceptionally kind, polite and soft-spoken. She almost personifies the trope.
Part of the trope is that the Yamato Nadeshiko's motivation for being one is to honor her family. You might argue that Hinata is a deconstruction of a Yamato Nadeshiko, because a)her kind-polite-and-soft-spoken are exactly the reason why her family doesn't respect her, and b)you might argue that one of the reasons she wants to change herself is to fit her family's ideals (and even then that's a matter of interpretation). But a straight-up Yamato Nadeshiko she ain't, so far that we've seen.
Jas: Hinata has been cited enough as a Yamato Nadeshiko that it's used to explain part of her great appeal. She definitely fits and belongs here. I'll remove the part about her personifying the trope though.
Revolos55: Don't know if this would count since she's a lesbian, but this sounds a lot like Tara from Buffy The Vampire Slayer.
Zeke: Lesbians count, but Tara's just a doormat.
s5555: Is Erika from Pokemon considered one, or is she just very traditional?
