This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Mister Six: Shouldn't this be Black Magic Girl? Black Magician Girl sounds like a girl magician who is black.
Harpie Siren: To quote the artical "Named both for the Final Fantasy class "black mage" and for the Dark Magician Girl from Yu-Gi-Oh!."
Tanto: This entry was born in YKTTW and we went through the thought process, but someone didn't launch it (sigh) and that discussion has been lost.
Later: Incidentally, I don't think the Final Fantasy VI girls count. Terra and Celes don't have the personality, and Relm's not a natural magic-user. "Girl who uses attack magic" is not the trope; it's just a part of the trope. Moving here...
- * The three female characters in Final Fantasy VI all embody this trope, actually. Two of them, Terra and Celes, are magic-users before everybody else can be, the third, Relm, has the ability to bring her paintings to life. Relm is a Genki Girl, and Terra and Celes were both Action Girls for The Empire — Terra, being half-Esper, was considered a special weapon, and Celes was one of their generals.
Scifantasy: Fair enough.
Citizen: I saw this picture
◊ and thought of this entry, but the description doesn't fit, so linked here.
Duckluck:I gotta say, even knoywing the reason behind it, it's still a stupid name. Not that I can think of anything better...
Big T: Well, maybe if you used the PC term "of African Descent" instead of black, you wouldn't have a problem with it. :P
- The Valkyrie class in Fire Emblem is, basically, a mounted Staff Chick who can relay on offensive magic *and* staves after promotion. Notable Valkyries are Mage General Cecilia from Fuuin no Tsurugi, the promoted Priscilla and Ursula the Blue Crow from Rekka no Ken.
- Subverted in Fire Emblem 8. The Cleric Natasha and the Troubadour L'Arachel can promote into Valkyries, but Natasha can also becomer a Bishop and L'Arachel can promote into Mage Knight (who uses staves and fire/thunder magic, whereas Valkies use staves and offensive light magic). Badass Bookworm Lute and the male Pupil Ewan, if he becomes a Mage and not a Shaman, can also promote into Mage Knights.
Tanto: In addition to being egregiously rambly, this doesn't have anything to do with anything. BMG is a personality type; that's just as important to the trope as the "girl who uses offensive magic" part. None of these characters fit that greater trope. At all.
Later: And they still don't.
Mouser: I've removed Priscilla again and inserted a new Fire Emblem entry. Is this more accurate?
Yoshi348: Illyana definitely wasn't, unless something weird happens to her between 9 and 10. She's a doormat. Her death speech is Visible Silence.
Mouser: When I put that there, I only listed Nino and Tiltyu as examples. Agreed on Illyana. (And Tinny, for that matter. Removing her.)
Bob La Rice: The fact that you did not seize the opportunity to call this trope Black Magic Woman gives me a little pang of regret.
- Just Call Me Ned: No fucking kidding! What a waste.
Removed Cecelia from Wild Arms. Not only is her character upbeat and happy, she also uses both healing and offensive magic, so doesn't fit this trope in the least.
