Useful Notes The American Civil War Discussion

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02:19:27 PM Dec 28th 2015
Draft Riots - what little research I've done indicates that there were fewer than 2000 casualties, much less deaths, but the article reads "... still remains the most violent incident in the city’s history (far more people died there than in 9/11), ..." I think ~5,000 people died in the 9/11 attacks, not 120 [Casualty counts vary by source. See *Mc Pherson, James M. (1982), Ordeal By Fire: The Civil War and Reconstruction., New York: Alfred A. Knopf, p. 360, ISBN 978-0-394-52469-6.]
08:30:43 PM Jul 11th 2015
edited by ike755
We might want to add something about how the Stars and Bars are starting to be censored due to a knee-jerk reaction to the Charleston shooting. The reaction reeks of Hitler Ate Sugar: Dylan Roof was bad. Dylan roof had a Confederate flag. Therefore, the Confederate flag is bad. Q.E.D.
09:12:06 PM Jul 11th 2015
edited by kchishol
That is pure bunk, the Confederate Flag in all its variants was meant to represent a nation founded from the beginning on White racial supremacist tyranny. (Here's a source for that statement: Furthermore, the modern display of the Confederate Battle Flag got started in direct reaction to the advances of civil rights beginning with Harry Truman's desgregation of the US military (

Furthermore, the Confederate Battle Flag was the standard of the Army of Northern Virginia led by Robert E. Lee, a General who claimed to loath slavery, but hypocritically allowed the enslavement of free blacks in his military operations:

Lee's army also had a policy of seizing and carrying off into slavery in the South every black person it encountered - man, woman, or child, escaped slave or freeborn citizen of Pennsylvania. This Great Struggle: America's Civil War, p 214 - Steven Woodworth, professor of history at Texas Christian University

When Albert Jenkins' rough-hewn cavalrymen made their initial foray into the Cumberland Valley in mid-June, "they took up all [the people of color] they could find, even little children, who they had to carry on horseback before them" to be claimed or sold in the slave markets in Richmond. Gettysburg: The Last Invasion, p 73, Allen Guelzo, Henry R Luce Professor of the Civil War Era and Director of Civil War Era Studies at Gettysburg College

Cavalry units of the Army of Northern Virginia also kidnapped blacks, both slave and free, during the Pennsylvania campaign in June of 1863. Freedom at Risk: The Kidnapping of Free Blacks in America 1780-1865, p 15, Carol Wilson, Professor of History at Washington College

All the more reason to consign that symbol of tyranny to a museum.
02:00:17 AM Jul 12th 2015
Please do not use discussion pages for debating Real Life controversies.
01:50:45 AM Oct 14th 2013
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Hydro Globus: Why does this article stink of being Written By The Victors? I realize that in a civil war, the losers generally integrate, but this frankly reads like propaganda.
12:58:22 AM Jan 3rd 2014
How does it read like propaganda? Examples?
11:05:29 PM Jun 23rd 2014
'Stink'? 'Propaganda'...? I never take such claims personally but that's a bit far, surely. You'll have to be more specific, moreover.
11:27:44 AM Jul 7th 2014
Yeees, let's be nice to the slaver aristocracy and their plutocratic ethnic state...
11:47:56 AM Jul 7th 2014
There are plenty of people who think that the Civil War was not about slavery. They are a fringe viewpoint, though.

Anyhow, I question why we have a trope list here. The Civil War is not a story.
03:36:10 PM Jul 24th 2014
Yeah, tropes don't apply to Real Life...
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