Useful Notes North Korea Discussion

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Dedars1
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08:48:40 PM Jan 22nd 2016
Why North Korea is described as a "totalitarian nightmare"? What proof (and by proof I mean "not a cheap lying attack of burgeoise media) do you have that North Korea is this?
Nithael
01:58:16 AM Jan 23rd 2016
By everybody else than North Korea's account, including North Koreans who fled the country. And that's not how you spell 'bourgeoisie".
MrDeath
09:44:19 AM Jan 25th 2016
Because it is literal fact. Obvious troll is obvious.
Dedars1
01:57:18 AM Jan 31st 2016
I'm not a troll, just someone who likes to think better than you, probably. Also, trying to support your arguments based on a typo shows a lot how valid they are.
Dedars1
02:00:34 AM Jan 31st 2016
edited by Dedars1
https://www.facebook.com/In-Defense-of-North-Korea-DPRK-190618497668488/

This page shows a lot of information of DPRK and the hypocrisy of media in general. Also, this article: http://www.shoah.org.uk/2014/05/03/my-trip-to-north-korea-13-misconceptions-corrected/

There's a lot a misconceptions about North Korea and plenty of shitty people being paid to tell "horrible stories" of the country. It's common to be afraid of anything related to communism in America, unfortunately.
Dedars1
02:03:06 AM Jan 31st 2016
Larkmarn
08:09:13 PM Jan 31st 2016
... okay, you're just making your trolling more obvious.
SeptimusHeap
12:33:16 AM Feb 1st 2016
Yes, please spare us with stories about "The Truth" in North Korea. They do not belong on a website about storytelling, for one thing.
Dedars1
04:17:15 AM Feb 5th 2016
Ok, now it's just "I like to be ignorant for ignorance's sake". I still can't believe this is named "trolling" in a site like TV Tropes. What's next? "Hamas is a terrorist organisation"?
Nithael
04:40:45 AM Feb 5th 2016
Just drop it already.
Dedars1
05:35:21 PM Feb 8th 2016
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I can't. If "drop it" means "start to spread common sense and misinformation" I really can't, sorry.

I won't discuss anymore, waste of time. However, some links can be useful for those who are capable of discuss and not dishonestly accuse of being a troll. They're in portuguese, though.

http://solidariedadecoreiapopular.blogspot.com/ https://www.facebook.com/O-Outro-Lado-da-Coreia-do-Norte-940533279353945/ http://depyongyangalahabana.blogspot.com.br/
SeptimusHeap
12:54:39 AM Feb 11th 2016
We don't speak Portuguese here. So these won't help us at all.
Larkmarn
05:40:54 AM Feb 11th 2016
^^ You're not even making grammatical sense anymore. But fine. I won't believe you're a troll. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you weren't believing the idiocy you're spewing. Because your sources are sheer bunk, your ideas defy all common sense, and there's absolutely no reason to consider your position.

Happy?
MrDeath
10:16:41 AM Feb 11th 2016
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Well said. The idea that North Korea is anything other than a brutal regime that's starving its own people and is a terrible blight is complete and utter bullshit. Peddle said bullshit somewhere else, Dedars. Or, better yet, nowhere.
Dedars1
05:47:08 PM Feb 12th 2016
"We don't speak Portuguese here. So these won't help us at all."

A good chance for learn another language.

"You're not even making grammatical sense anymore."

I'm not a native speaker. Is that wrong?

" your ideas defy all common sense"

Thank you very much!

"The idea that North Korea is anything other than a brutal regime that's starving its own people and is a terrible blight is complete and utter bullshit."

Yeah, yeah, so it's been said on USA and republican media on general. Oh well. That's why I hate common sense so much.
SeptimusHeap
02:44:45 AM Feb 13th 2016
Well, we aren't going to learn Portuguese just for this. Please also take note that unless you can convince a sizable world consensus of your viewpoint, we are not going to include any of it.
Dedars1
11:04:00 AM Feb 13th 2016
Just one question: do you believe that HAMAS is a terrorist organisation too?
Nithael
01:56:32 AM Feb 14th 2016
This is irrelevant and you know it. Don't try to turn this into a topic about Israel and Palestine to vindicate your theory that everyone who disagree with you is a victim of American imperialism propaganda (because that's what you're trying to do, right?). And while the Israel-Palestine conflict has controversial elements on both sides, there is overwhelming evidence of everything NK is accused of. And NK supporting Palestine doesn't change this.
SeptimusHeap
12:13:23 PM Feb 14th 2016
Yes, Dedars1, none of these discussions belong on the wiki (we have a forum for these, although you won't receive any better reception than here if you keep arguing so poorly) and if you keep it up I'll remove your editing access.
Joseph011296
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03:56:05 AM Oct 7th 2014
The Image link in "Badass Army" was broken when I was reading the article, but after copy-pasting the link directly it worked fine. Used the page history to reverse my edit and the image link worked fine after that. Anyone have any idea why?
Achaemenid
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02:47:54 AM Aug 11th 2014
Apparently we don't trope IRL subjects, so, as much as we love them, a lot of the tropes on this page will have to go. One potential replacement that had some weight in Ask the Tropers was to trope NK propaganda, since that's effectively fiction anyway.

On another note, a lot of the tropes on this page simply repeat nonsense yellow journalism (Kim Chol probably was not executed by mortar round, Ri Sol-ju didn't have KJU's ex-girlfriend executed) or are out of date (North Koreans are not starving, though it isn't exactly Mccy D's either). A comprehensive rewrite in the Sandbox might be nice.
LogoP
06:00:48 AM Aug 11th 2014
To be fair, there was famine in North Korea. And probably still is, in some areas. But yeah North Koreans, as a whole, do not starve.

Also, some of the stuff described on this page should go to North Koreans With No Dongs.
Achaemenid
06:40:08 AM Aug 11th 2014
I'm well aware of the Arduous March. I'm currently working on a revision now.
TheLyniezian
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03:54:40 PM May 9th 2013
I think it might be worth editing the main example in the Two Decades Behind bit. The trope is more about media having the feel or the tropes of decades gone by. North Korea is no doubt rich pickings for this trope- and the best we can do is out-of-date military hardware?
darkpast
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08:18:59 AM Apr 1st 2013
Unless someone has a very good excuse for it, I think the last sentence should be deleted from this paragraph:

"Whilst its portrayal as the Card-Carrying Villain of world politics is frequently played for laughs, it may do you good to recall that this country is indeed home to 25 million people. So, rule of cautious editing very much applies. EDIT: Never mind, TV Tropes is blocked in North Korea."

I think that proclaiming the North Koreans collectively guilty for having a shitty government is immoral and in poor taste. Mocking the leadership is OK, but mocking the North Korean people as a whole is not. It's equivalent to saying All Germans Are Nazis.
Bobchillingworth
12:01:25 PM Apr 10th 2013
It used to say something about how editors should remember to have some pity for the millions of people who live in wretched conditions in NK, and therefore not make too much light of their situation. I much preferred that version, I don't know why it was changed.
T448Eight
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07:57:10 AM Feb 15th 2013
Yes we all know how bad it is in NK.

But all these "evil" tropes don't apply to people in RL, they probably shouldn't apply to a country. I agree with then, but it makes the page look like it was written by a pro American, no matter how true it is.
Bobchillingworth
12:02:07 PM Apr 10th 2013
Pointing out the massively apparent flaws in one government doesn't automatically make you a supporter of another.
Johnny1993
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06:35:29 PM Feb 1st 2013
Why has no-one decided to off the oppressive government? Seriously, I'm sick of it
T448Eight
08:05:23 AM Feb 15th 2013
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And now I just screwed up in the comment section.
T448Eight
08:05:34 AM Feb 15th 2013
Because, China, Iran, Syria, and Pakistan got it backed up for some reason.
T448Eight
08:05:45 AM Feb 15th 2013
Because, China, Iran, Syria, and Pakistan got it backed up for some reason.
Johnny1993
01:13:39 AM Mar 1st 2014
What can North Korea give them that no other country can't? North Korea is the Butt Monkey of military dictatorships
Digifiend
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06:57:45 PM Jul 25th 2012
At the Olympics, the North Korean women's football team were mistakenly identified with the South Korean flag. They were understandably angry, and walked off the field delaying kick off for an hour. Surely there's a trope we can add that under?
MrDeath
07:53:06 AM Jul 26th 2012
Not everything is a trope. Sometimes shit just happens.
moonytheloony
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03:06:08 AM Sep 4th 2011
I'm taking this off:

Only a completely naive person would believe that the North Korean government cared. It was a cheap political move, and what they do to their own citizens is far worse than any terrorist attack.
cyclopsman
06:04:11 PM Feb 5th 2012
You're probably right, and i don't disagree with taking it down, but it is possible for evil motherfuckers to have a degree of honor. Kim may have found the attack on civilians, if nothing else, not very pragmatic. Could. i doubt it though.
chitoryu12
06:01:04 AM Apr 9th 2012
Considering that North Korea would likely immediately attempt to attack civilian locations in the event of a war with South Korea and their own abuse and murder of their citizens to an almost obscene level, I don't think the government thinks much of civilian casualties.
Digifiend
06:57:16 PM Jul 25th 2012
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nvm - should've been new thread
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