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cbast1
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03:47:46 PM Nov 6th 2010
Does anyone but me think any use of Word Of God should be accompanied by a citation? How do we know any of that stuff is true? I mean, how easy would it be for someone to type "Word Of God says..." followed by their own WMG?
JusticeReaper
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07:02:26 AM Dec 15th 2010
I'd like to suggest an alternate name for this trope, in case any religious-minded person fears that the current name might be taking God's name in vain as per the third commandment. Hmm...how about "Canon Cannon" or "Word of the Maker"?
MrDeath
09:26:19 AM Dec 15th 2010
If they do, they need to get over it.
cbast1
06:41:10 PM Dec 15th 2010
Mr Death, there's no call to be obtuse. Just because you disagree with someone's beliefs does not mean their beliefs don't matter or that they can or should be so callously disregarded.

To the original poster, consider that the word "God" in the title doesn't literally refer to the Judeo-Christian God but rather figuratively refers to the author of any creative work. Therefore it could be argued that the title isn't truly taking the Lord's name in vain.
MrDeath
07:51:31 AM Dec 16th 2010
I don't think it's obtuse. I just think it's silly to be worried about something like this offending people. It'd be one thing if Justice Reaper had come on here and said he had been offended by it, but it irritates me a bit when someone suggests a change because they think someone might be offended somewhere.

For the record, I am a Christian, so you're mistaken if you think this is just because I don't believe in God.
JusticeReaper
08:13:08 AM Dec 17th 2010
To Mr Death, I am a Christian myself, but I'm not so much offended as I am trying to be cautious (especially considering that my suggestion's based on a Christian-written article I read recently about ways we take God's name in vain without even knowing it). It's probably not something we think about readily, but IMHO the commandment about taking the Lord's name in vain is probably one of the most overlooked and undermined of the 10, and we should consider its seriousness a lot more like how we'd treat murder, robbery or lying.

To cbast1, I know that the "God" in the title doesn't refer to the Judeo-Christian God; but the reason for the suggested name-change is that a number of sincere Christian readers (and yes, they are out there) may not see it the same way, but rather may see it as ascribing godhood (after a fashion) to the cited work's author, and thus may interpret it as a violation of Commandments #1 and #3. Just saying.
cbast1
10:13:39 AM Feb 1st 2011
Mr Death: I never said you weren't a Christian. I just said you shouldn't act like someone else's beliefs don't matter just because you disagree with them. Telling them to just "get over it" is obtuse, and frankly quite rude. If you think they are wrong, explain calmly and rationally why they are wrong. Don't just give them the metaphorical finger by implying their beliefs are automatically unworthy of consideration.

Justice Reaper: Contrary to popular belief, the Bible doesn't actually say that one should never make reference to God. "Taking the Lord's name in vain" actually refers to invoking God in an oath (i.e. "I swear to God") for flippant or irreverent reasons. A flippant or irreverent oath is generally not kept, and attaching God's name to a false oath is a pretty big no-no. And Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount that a person's word should be reliable on its own without needing to swear by God to affirm one's truthfulness. Constantly swearing by God cheapens the name of God (which should be used only when you really really mean it) and implies that the speaker is normally dishonest, otherwise there would be no need to invoke God's name to affirm the truth of their statement. However, the Bible does contain several instances in both the Old and the New Testament where the name of God is invoked without it being identified as a sin. The Apostle Paul for one occasionally invokes God in his letters. My point is, this page isn't using the name "God" in the manner of an oath. So I doubt there are any sincere Christians who will be too terribly offended by the use of "God" in this trope title.
JusticeReaper
08:18:52 AM Feb 4th 2011
edited by JusticeReaper
cbast1: Point duly noted. To clarify, though: the issue isn't about referencing God, but rather using God's name or the name of Jesus too casually or as part of a swear-word ("God-damn," "Jesus Christ!", "Oh, for God's/Christ's sake!", etc.). As far as the trope's name is concerned, I'm just trying to avert any discomfort about using "Word Of God" to refer to a work's author/creator, especially knowing that that person is NOT God or a god (I may be taking it a bit far, but that's just how I feel personally).
Robrecht
06:21:18 PM Apr 21st 2011
'God' is not the name of 'God' however, (it's simply a word that means 'deity', which English-speaking Christians, Jews and (even many) Muslims use as nomenclature for what they believe to be the only deity to exist, specifically so they don't have to use the guy's name). Therefore it's not 'taking the lord's name in vain' or using 'God's name too lightly'.

It's called 'Word of God' because a writer is essentially the indisputable lord over his creation. The comparison is both apt and intentional, but the 'God' doesn't refer to a 'person', it refers to a role.
Robrecht
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06:28:27 PM Apr 21st 2011
I don't think the disclaimer for this page is entirely accurate. Word of God isn't trivia. It is a trope. Specifically one common to non-fictional media and most particularly in the discussion of works rather than the works themselves.

It's still a narrative technique though, in the sense that Word of God is usually used for clarification of the narrative (or elements thereof) outside the narrative itself. So a meta-trope, but still a trope.
DanMat6288
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11:34:24 AM Sep 13th 2011
Would it not be all that unlikely that an edit regarding Word Of God on one page could come from said "God" him/herself? Come to think of it, would that even count?
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