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R.G.
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07:57:37 PM May 3rd 2011
Would the Spear Counterpart be called "Elegant Gothic Shota"?
Stoogebie
11:29:50 AM Mar 11th 2012
I believe the male equivalent of lolita is Kodona. So if it's a little boy, then it would be Elegant Gothic Kodona...unless of course, you know...
Ukonkivi
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03:27:12 AM Mar 3rd 2011
"Although fundamentally unrelated to the Western sense of "goth"" This is remarkably untrue. If anything, Gothic Lolita is only one very tiny part of "Goth" in the Western sense. Gothic Lolita is part of the Western movement, not apart from it. Just because the "West" has lots of stereotypes of depression and Rivetheads with "Goth", doesn't mean that by being more Neo-Victorian than these stereotypes, it unrelated to Goth. All of Lolita is related to Goth.

And a lot of these so called "not related to Goth" Lolita/Gothic Lolita bands, make Neoclassical Darkwave. A part of the Goth subculture. Malice Mizer, make Goth music. To say that Gothic Lolita is fundamentally unrelated to the Western sense of Goth, is to completely misunderstand the Western sense of Goth. And it's sad to see people assert Japan is doing something different and unique when they do something that's only being a part of something else. In this case, they're just being a part of something Western. Gothic Lolitas aren't Japan being "uniquely Western" or having a unique take on Western culture, they're just happening to be a part of the Western Goth movement.
Stoogebie
10:30:00 AM Mar 12th 2012
edited by Stoogebie
Well, there is the occasional self-contradictory statement in This Very Wiki from time to time. And if you actually took a look at "gothic lolita", you'd find that it's lolita punched up with gothic tones (as seen here and here). Yes, I agree, it is actually related to goth, but not in the sense of being "goffic".

Also, if this trope actually refers to lolita style as a whole, then yes, it's not really very related to goth...because not all lolita is gothic. There's more to lolita than goth, as you can see, and they've even got guro and steampunk. And erotic.
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