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mrgideon
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07:09:43 AM May 27th 2013
The Avengers - I'm going to argue that "there are always men like you," while mostly evocative of Hitler, isn't just about that. It's an old german guy who's been through everything that the world (and specifically germany) has been through since the time of the Nazis, and arguably, when you take into account east Germany, communism (including the various dictatorships througout Europe) and the sheer number of tinpot despots that cropped up and flourished for however long in assorted small countries around the world) then they're just the most well known of a cavalcade of infamy. Not just "there have been men like you" but "there are always men like you." Recognising that whatever political system and era, men of that stripe will always try and gather power, has been, will be. Pretty well-done statement, actually.
Theophenes
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12:47:48 AM Aug 30th 2012
Err, would the Coalition in The RIF Ts Setting be a decent reference here. Never mind the outfits, they do have a very specific set of rules about the extermination of Dimensional Beings and mutates to "protect" the human race. Anyone here have some better material on this subject?
ThatHuman
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08:50:19 AM May 18th 2012
I removed this example:

Kuroshitsuji: Perhaps not so much unity given how we only ever see one, but angels, or at least fallen ones, MAY be this. They desire (ill-defined) purity and detest (equally ill-defined) unclenliness. Given Angela's Madness Mantra condemns the unwanted, unfruitful and the unnecessary, her Meaningful Name ( Blanc) as well as the sheer level of depravity to which s/he will stoop to achieve this end, it should at least remind you of SOMETHING.

Looks like shoehorning. There is no "may". Something either is an example, or it isn't. And anyway, form what I've seen, it's so vague that there's not much to say that this counts anyway.
DannyM
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02:38:10 PM Sep 14th 2011
edited by DannyM
You may find this profound:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assert that the USA's pre-1942 Bellamy salute used in the USA for 50 years has NEVER been portrayed in TV or movies filmed post-1942, even thought the setting is pre-1942:

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And I propose this: The A Nazi by Any Other Name trope has made it impossible! ANY attempt to normalize this and say "no, this is not fascism, it's just the way the US did things" is a TEXTBOOK execution of A Nazi by Any Other Name, and the audience will interpret it as such and the characters are in foolish denial of the situation, which will probably cock up the way the movie's supposed to be watched and then confuse everyone.

Consider the paradox here: any attempt to explain "no, this is not a Nazi thing" will always be interpreted as "normalized fascism" subtext. No matter how you do it. Any way you try to write it and say "there is no subtext here" will only reinforce the audience's belief that there IS supposed to be a fascist subtext here.

Furthermore, it'd be difficult to work in an explanation of such an everyday thing without being anviliciously, insufferably didactic. This salute would raise no question in pre-1942 drama, so there's no explanation of why a character would talk about it. The actor would have to go Breaking the Fourth Wall and talk completely out-of-character to explain how it only became fascist in ~1940!

You'd have to set a plot in the ~1940 window where it was controversial, or in the short window in post-1942 where some people hadn't gotten the memo and still tried to Bellamy-salute the flag and someone explains how that's no longer cool.

That's hard to make "interesting" to viewers proportional to how much of a plot setup it would require to explain. So, essentially, the Bellamy salute has been forever wiped (actually, it's a Retcon of real-life history!) from fiction and even historical films/biopics, as an inadvertent consequence of the A Nazi by Any Other Name trope.
71.80.226.45
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04:07:33 PM Apr 8th 2011
Can you guys put Israel off it becuase the situation is more complex than you know it.Yes,Israel should try to treat the Palestianians better but you seem to ignore they have gone through a bunch of crap during the decades.Yes,they built a wall but what do you expect when Hamas is continually mounting strike after strike.No,Israel is not trying to wipe out the Palestians but are trying to still exist as a country.And yes they need to be called on for the bad stuff they do.But comparing them to the Nazis just trivalizes the situation.
sveni
04:11:24 PM Apr 19th 2011
Inverted: Can you guys put Nazi-Germany off it becuase the situation is more complex than you know it.Yes,Nazi-Germany should try to treat the Jews better but you seem to ignore they have gone through a bunch of crap during the decades like loosing the WW1 and the great derpression.Yes,they built concentration camps but what do you expect when Jews have more money than Germans.No,Nazi-Germany is not trying to wipe out the Jews but are trying to still exist as a country, you know, cities for others, camps for others.And yes they need to be called on for the bad stuff they do.But comparing them to the Israelians just trivalizes the situation.

Yeah. No similarities what so ever.
jazzflower92
04:28:58 PM Apr 20th 2011
Here's the deal Israel from the start never tried to wipe out the Palestinian people as a whole.And also comparing money to constant terrorists attack is different.And what you just did was an awful God's win law.Besides Israel has been called out for their stuff when it happens.Plus Nazi Germany also acted as an empire who wanted to conquer Europe.Also the citizens of Israel are not indoctrine to be totally loyal to the state.Yes,some of the people in state and some of the soldiers are can be assholes but don't try to pin the swatiska on all of Israel.Plus you seem to forget the Nazi's put out their every intent to see the Jews totally anihallated.And most of all their have been some effort on Israel's side to help the Palestinians. Yes, the leadership needs to look for peace but you guys take God's win law and make it black and white.I don't ignore Israel's faults but people tend to look at distort all her failures in order to forget the Palestinaian's faults as well.And when I means it's faults I pinning this one on Hamas.Hamas can be the biggest reason behind what's happening.I won't ignore Israel must do better at giving Palestine more relief effort or its continuing settlments on the Gaza strip.All I am saying is Israel is flawed but stop putting up the God's win law card when it really isn't.
jazzflower92
04:29:01 PM Apr 20th 2011
Here's the deal Israel from the start never tried to wipe out the Palestinian people as a whole.And also comparing money to constant terrorists attack is different.And what you just did was an awful God's win law.Besides Israel has been called out for their stuff when it happens.Plus Nazi Germany also acted as an empire who wanted to conquer Europe.Also the citizens of Israel are not indoctrine to be totally loyal to the state.Yes,some of the people in state and some of the soldiers are can be assholes but don't try to pin the swatiska on all of Israel.Plus you seem to forget the Nazi's put out their every intent to see the Jews totally anihallated.And most of all their have been some effort on Israel's side to help the Palestinians. Yes, the leadership needs to look for peace but you guys take God's win law and make it black and white.I don't ignore Israel's faults but people tend to look at distort all her failures in order to forget the Palestinaian's faults as well.And when I means it's faults I pinning this one on Hamas.Hamas can be the biggest reason behind what's happening.I won't ignore Israel must do better at giving Palestine more relief effort or its continuing settlments on the Gaza strip.All I am saying is Israel is flawed but stop putting up the God's win law card when it really isn't.
sveni
06:28:31 AM May 10th 2011
I'm sure that Israel has her Freudian Excuse as does every other real life example, including Nazi-Germany. (Some of the fictional have them too.) This trope isn't about being exactly like Third Reich, or about being as bad. This is about having uncanny resemblance to Nazis. Having a military to keep your own citizens on check and segregating your minority in places that may have poor living conditions (you know, a bit like concentration camps) is uncanny resemblance where I'm standing. Even when all your examples do different Israel from Nazi-Germany.
joyflower
11:47:29 AM Sep 25th 2011
One thing also is that also that Hamas and the fact that even when Israel does right it still gets bitten by someone that takes advantage of it.Should it not be too harsh yes but living with neighbors who want you dead from day one kinda would make you a Broken Bird.
Iqbal
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02:26:09 PM Apr 3rd 2011
edited by Iqbal
Its hard to get the current image page as this trope we should try Gihren's Hail Zeon Pic
Jordan
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07:33:13 PM Nov 14th 2010
This one troper keeps trying to add in the Avatar baddies, and seems to have a very extreme/exaggerated hatred for them.

As bad as Quaritch and co. are, they definitely are not this trope, as would be clear from the description. They aren't used as a Nazi analogue- they're more like an analogue for American treatment of Native Americans/European behavior under Imperialism. If you aren't a Nazi analogue, you do not belong on this page.

Iqbal
06:48:39 PM Dec 24th 2010
The Sleeves Geara Zulu from Gundam Unicorn looks more like a Nazi heck all Zeon's are Nazi Based even The Flag
HawktureShorts155
10:20:34 PM Apr 1st 2011
I was wondering how this trope is any different from Putting on the Reich?
Kersey475
12:09:21 PM Jun 7th 2011
Where do we put examples that are analogues to other political groups (i.e. Fascists, Socialists, etc.)?
ElodieHiras
02:24:24 AM Oct 26th 2011
edited by ElodieHiras
Putting on the Reich is stylistic (when the evil army's uniforms are reminiscent of real life uniform worn by armies we consider evil), while A Nazi by Any Other Name is, well, fantasy counterpart nazis.
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