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Sugarp1e1 Queen of the Snakes Since: Apr, 2015
Queen of the Snakes
Oct 2nd 2017 at 3:39:38 AM •••

I'm a little iffy about this entry.

  • PhantomHeartless5: I was going to change my entry to "Halt and Catch Silico", due to the way it utterly butchered Silico's character, but Bliss' backstory in "The Power of Four" special rubbed me the wrong way due to how it spits in the face of the established canon. Ok, so apparently Bliss is the original Powerpuff Girl who was created by the Professor in an attempt to compete with a rival who had created the perfect little boy and that he went through the experiment 22 times to get it right. Now that doesn't work for two reasons: 1. In the established canon, the Professor created the girls out of a need for family and a desire to make Townsville a better place. Here, it makes the Professor look like a glory seeking jackass rather than the altruistic scientist we know and love. 2. In the established canon, the Professor didn't intend to give them superpowers. He was trying to create three normal little girls. The only reason the girls have superpowers in the first place is because Mojo, who at the time was the Professor's feral pet monkey, pushed the Professor, causing him to spill the Chemical X into the concoction. So writers, you expect me to believe that the Professor had Mojo push him 22 times? My Willing Suspension of Disbelief only goes so far, writers. The special as a whole was average at best, but Bliss' backstory was the sign that the show had jumped the shark in the worst way possible.

Last I checked, a reboot is a complete overhaul of an original work with very little, if any, connection to the original. So why would the PPG reboot rely an already established canon? It just seems like this entry is getting mad at the reboot for being a reboot.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they have to like what the writers did for Bliss' backstory, but to get upset that the writers ignored something the original did when it isn't trying to rely on the original canon, sounds like it's missing the point of what a reboot is supposed to be.

Edited by Sugarp1e1 Ryoko.
Zeanobia Sanity is overrated Since: Mar, 2012
Sanity is overrated
Jun 5th 2014 at 4:26:46 PM •••

Mr Captain A: I disagree with this being a DMOS. I'll take it in bites due to the size of the entry.

First of all, while the humans' dislike of the Monsters is understandable if not excusable (given that the Monsters have repeatedly laid waste to Townsville), the Monsters' reciprocal hatred makes no sense given that every human other than the Girls in this series has just basically run screaming from a Monster whenever it has appeared.

  • That itself is a reason for the monsters. Besides the size issues which the eye-monster proved right. Their main argument was that humans are too judgmental. Which should be easy to understand giving their diverse culture. Also this makes Mr. Green a far more sympathetic character. If every monster is treated the way he was, no wonder they think so about humans.

Secondly, and most importantly of all, this goes against everything the United States of America has become and the American values that we try to teach our children in schools. The USA has become a country in which people of all genders, ethnicities, and religions can come together and exist side by side in an environment of (primarily) friendship and acceptance, where everyone is given equal rights and fair treatment. And what does this episode teach kids instead? That some ethnic groups of people will never be able to let go of their hatred and distrust of one another, and rather than trying to make it work or giving things time for relationships between them to improve, it's better for the newcomers to go back to where they came from and never return.

  • Eh no, it doesn't. USA is a country made by invading and then forcefully replace an otherwise peaceful society (native Indians). Enslaving a 2nd people for superiority (mostly blacks). Freeing said people, just to partly enslaving them (Jim crow) and then expect whites to be okay with being the discriminated ones. So for this to be true, the episode should end up with the monsters conjuring Townsville.

And if they ever try to return, you should automatically assault them regardless of whether or not their intentions or peaceful? Is this really what we want to teach our kids? Would America have become the "land of the free and home of the brave" it is today if every new group of immigrants to our shores had given up after just one day of being hated and mistreated by others and decided to go back to the country of their birth?

  • Again, Americans are the immigrants. And again the correct way to say it according to history is "land of the free whites and home of the brave whites".

Plus there's the fact that the giant Monster lawyer is allowed to physically strike the Mayor's main human lawyer, and then frighten the other members of the Mayor's legal team into submission, just because the first lawyer tried to do his job and contest the Monster lawyer's lawsuit. And the Girls just float there and let him do it. And they're supposed to be superheroes. They probably would never have allowed such behavior if the Monster Lawyer had been human...

Edited by 83.89.98.226 #nolivesmatter Hide / Show Replies
MrCaptainA Since: Dec, 2013
Jun 11th 2014 at 10:24:03 PM •••

Okay, to respond to your points:

1) But you have to remember that up until this episode, every time a Monster has come to Townsville, it has been to attack the City and lay waste to its buildings. These attacks destroy hundreds of buildings, cost untold amounts of money in property damage, and most importantly of all, endanger thousands of humans lives. If the Girls don't show up to stop the Monsters, there's no telling how much damage they would cause. Plus there's the fact that, until the episode "Super Zeroes", the Monsters never explain to anyone why they're attacking the city, but only roar like any giant monster would in a giant monster movie. As far as the people of Townsville knew up until that point, the Monsters were apparently all just mindless beasts who existed to destroy everything around them for no good reason, and therefore extremely dangerous. In their minds, it made sense to start running as soon as a Monster appeared to do its thing, especially since they had no powers like the Girls did and would therefore stand no chance against them.

2. You're describing what the U.S. was, not what it has become. It's true that the United States started out as a country with a lot of prejudices and elitist and imperialist attitudes. (At its inception, only white males who owned property were allowed to vote.) And because of those attitudes, it has a number of incidents in its past that are frankly quite shameful and that most Americans these days are no longer proud of (slavery, segregation, the treatment of Native Americans, imprisoning Japanese Americans in prison camps during World War II out of unfounded and unproven fears that they were more loyal to Japan and would therefore rise against us out of that loyalty, etc.). But America has (largely) grown out of those attitudes, stopped acting in such a terrible fashion towards minorities, and realized that such attitudes and behaviors are wrong. It has become a land where people of all classes, religions, ethnicities, and genders can exist side-by-side in an atmosphere of (mostly) friendship, equality, and acceptance. It's not inspired by that shameful past anymore. And so no, it wouldn't make sense for the Monsters to take over Townsville at the end of this episode.

3. By "immigrants", I mean all the ones that have come to this land after the first groups of white, English, Protestant settlers who first colonized this land (and have become just as much a part of it as the first settlers did). And who refers to America like that (except historical revisionists)?

4. Finally, "equal but separate" isn't the American way anymore. Not after all the positive Character Development this country has gone through. And this one Status Quo I wish the show hadn't maintained. And you wouldn't see Superman letting lawyers attack each other, would you? The Girls really should know better than to allow stuff like that.

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Zeanobia Since: Mar, 2012
Jun 12th 2014 at 2:24:58 PM •••

What I mean with the native Americans is that the monsters can be seen as the immigrants. This is because they are so different and yet cooperate. If the attacked the town and enslaved the humans this will count as point 2. Thus it would make sense if they where supposed to act like Americans.

And did anyone told you about the We All Live in America trope?

And again at the end, this was just a brief reminder that his protests are just annoying.

#nolivesmatter
Peteman Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 5th 2014 at 3:41:40 PM •••

  • Blehblehbleh: The Episode "Toast of the Town". The Mayor acts like a bigger Manchild than any episode before or after. He constantly referred himself in third person and was annoying. Then he takes some Chemical X and becomes huge, and kidnaps Ms. Bellum and nearly kills her.

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