Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Needs Help
, started by HotelCalifornia on Aug 7th 2012 at 1:14:43 AM
How sweet it is
The TRS has decided to cut the Wall Banger sections. Here's the thread for more info:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1450525442091614400
Did you save all the text from the Wallbanger page please? We put a lot of hard work into it!
Ngh 93
Seconded, some of the WB pages were HUGE, there's a lot lost if they're not some how archived or migrated somewhere else like into the Dmo S page.
Edited by bassforte123
Wayback Machine is your only hope, I suppose.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
After experiencing a frustrating edit war on a Wall Bangers page (which I know I shouldn't have partaken in, I was guilty), I highly approve this motion, and hope it remains enacted. "Wall Bangers" was nothing but a space for people to rant their nerd rages, and it lead to flame wars when people wanted to "complain" about things that were...debatable.
Good. The whole section was a festering waste of space and only worked to attract whining. Good riddance.
I just hope Dethroning Moment of Suck is next.
Huh, this came as a bit of a surprise to me, but I can totally understand why the decision to cut it was made. Some of the pages were just a complete and utter mess. The Teen Titans Go! page, in particular, was a real piece of work. People were really just starting to just complain about everything about the show.
"Lucian, don’t be afraid, we’ll make it through this."
DMOS is probably going to stay. One of the key issues with Wallbanger was that the pages tended to degenerate into ill-formatted salads. DMOS doesn't have this issue.
The text of the Wallbanger pages is still available to moderators, too.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
My main concern though is that DMOS only allows one entry per person and generally their absolute worst moment from the series. It sounds like there would be no way to cover any particularly large series that had an extensive WB page like Simpsons, Star Trek, or Naruto (alone around 53 pages of entries) just due to the sheer volume of the material where as WB allowed the whole series to be covered. Edit/Flamewars are annoying but there were still plenty of valid and extensive WB pages that acted like a nice listing of accepted negative tropes like Broken Aesops, Out of Character Moment, or Protagonist Centered Morality which often aren't on a series's main page.
Edited by bassforte123
Generally speaking, as opposed to making Justifying Edits, what should someone do if anyone posts something as a Wallbanger that is actually very much justified? I even read under Square Peg Round Trope that this trope is not "event I happen to disagree with". This trope's description instructs tropers to delete something if the facts are wrong, but not if they're right but there's nothing particularly wrong with the event itself (or if what's cited to be wrong actually does make sense in some way).
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Ignore it, basically.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
What's the difference between Wall Banger and Dethroning Moment of Suck?
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The latter only allows one example per work/episode per person and is a superlative of the former.
It's not a mere comparative difference, by the way.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
"and if somebody rants about a show you like, please refrain from making Justifying Edits."
Seriously why is this rule always treated like its invisible or doesn't exist? We seriously have to put this on all Wallbanger pages, not just the main one
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I would like to propose that this page be deleted entirely or turned into an example-less page. There is no apparent criteria for an example apart from "someone didn't like this". While there is room for personal disagreement in YMMV entries and even more in entries like this, Dethroning Moment of Suck, by comparison, must be the worst part of a work, and to qualify as Narm, a moment must be intended to be serious, but laughable in execution. This page is purely Complaining About Shows You Dont Like.
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These arguments have been had time and time again, and they invariably fail for several reasons:
1) Negativity (in any form) will always exist in the wiki. Giving a structured outlet for people to feed their complaints/problems with a work into works far better in the long run than having people run all over the wiki spouting negativity.
2) There is a loose criteria, in the sense that it has to be a moment that didn't work (for whatever reason). It can be grounded with another trope, but it doesn't have to be. If you feel an example is wrong, delete it and make a note explaining why in the respective discussion section.
3) WB has always existed as the general place to list criticism and moments that don't work, and DMOS has always been the troper's personal opinion on the worst moment of the entire franchise to them, with no repetition.
Point is, no matter how many times people have wanted to delete WB (and I know, as I argued for its safety on several occasions), the wiki works better with it than without it.
Edited by crazyrabbits
While I'm not suggesting that this should be deleted, I think that the fact that this is about specific moments and not specific works should be enforced. Too many people are using this as an excuse to bitch about an author or show in general. We have separate pages for that.
Edited by 92.99.223.0 For we shall slay evil with logic...
Can we remove the bit in Wall Bangers: Video Games on Castlevania Judgment, if it hasn't been already? I know these pages are subjective, but that reads less like a legitimate complaint and more like "BAAAAAAAW THEY CHANGED THINGS". Especially considering it starts off calling it "Justasplanned".
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Sure.
There is a fine line between recklessness and courage — Paul McCartney
I think you should put things like that into the Ruined FOREVER category.
What a crazy random happenstance!
Why is the wrestling section locked from editing
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It became the subject of a fight between two tropers.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Hayleychaotix
I know this page is subjective and everything but what if someone gets something wrong? Like if someone's wall banger (or part of it) is someone going somewhere but they actually went somewhere else and the person who posted it just messed up with trying to follow it, would that be a reason to edit it?
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If you know the example is wrong, either correct the information (if the point still stands) or just delete it outright.
Sonicsuns
Wasn't sure where else to ask this; why did Wall Banger move from Main to Darth?
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Because it's used exclusively to complain about a work in question, and complaining is not what the wiki is for.
If complaining is not what the wiki is for, why do we HAVE A WALLBANGER TROPE IN THE FIRST PLACE!? This.... this is a HUGE Wall Banger!!!
Take It To The Forums if you disagree, where more people will see it.
Edited by SpellBlade
^^We don't wan't anyone to call something a Wallbanger on main page so we have this page so they can do it here instead.
I don't care for this page myself but, as long as it stays relativley civil, it won't go anywhere.
Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian
^^^ It's not what the main wiki is for, but there's a section here set aside for it. Where's the contradiction?
Actually a girl.
Why are the warnings %%%% embedded into the page, as opposed to being out in the open?
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So the warnings are where you need them, without polluting the actual page.
I don't get the Excel Saga quote at the top of the page. How is it related to Wall Banger? And if its a thing where you need context from the show to understand it, should it be removed?
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It wasn't even an in-universe wall banger; it was a character expressing confusion, not annoyance. Zapped.
Groovy.
Can we please add a redirect from Main/Wallbanger to this page? Is that the kind of thing that only mods can do? I've seen at least fifty redlinks to the old Main entry today, which doesn't exist anymore and stuff.
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That's exactly why they killed the Main/Wallbanger page.
If you see any redlinks, delete 'em.
Question: if Real Life examples are now forbidden, why do we now have a Troper Tales page?
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Because Troper Tales, being unverifiable by those who don't know the troper some other way, are treated more like legend than history.
There is a fine line between recklessness and courage — Paul McCartney
No it shouldn't. Advertising is based in Real Life and therefore cannot be listed.
Unlike software or cars (which were cut from So Bad Its Horrible for the reason you listed), we have a bunch of tropes related to advertising. It'll be fine.
Edited by BLOODPOUCH
Advertising is storytelling, so it fits. Primarily fiction, too.:-)
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Triassicranger: In an attempt to prevent further Real Life examples from being added I have added notes to some of the pages explainging what not to put on here.
Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Nuke
, started by MagBas on Jan 12th 2012 at 4:09:50 PM
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman