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Vulkus also removed all spoiler tags from Route Boss, Where It All Began, Disc-One Final Dungeon. Which previously had valid tags, but now has been cut out revealing major spoilers.
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The edits seem perfectly reasonable. Most of the spoilers he untagged weren't even plot-related. Like, the main villain of the game is Fawful, is it really a spoiler that late in the game he has a form called Dark Fawful? The game is about Bowser and opens with a Bowser boss fight, so is the mere mention of the name Bowser X really a surprise? The only problematic thing I see is unspoilering the cameo Bonus Boss, the Shroobs, but the game is 12 years old and the thing its referencing is even older, so is it even worth tagging at this point?
I can also see the need to unspoiler Where It All Began and Disc-One Final Boss, since one is necessarily about the end of a story and the other is about faking out the end of a story. Not so sure about Route Boss though.
^ He also got rid of spoilers that have to do with Dark Bowser. Unless due to Pop-Cultural Osmosis the spoiler is well known ( Darth Vader is Luke's father), we don't have an expiration on spoilers. I don't think they were perfectly reasonable.
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^^ Why would you see it as reasonable to unspoiler tropes that discuss the end or fakeout-end of the story? People not wanting to be told the end of a story is the kind of thing "No spoilers!" came from.
You're going to need to explain how those don't count as spoilers.
i am generally in favor of using as few spoiler tags as possible, but content discussing the end of the story definitely needs to stay hidden. that's what the spoiler markup is for.
remember not to make all-white entries, so people at least know about when the spoiler will happen, though. the trope names might spoil some things that way, but the alternative is a spoiler that's totally useless because you have to look at it to know whether it's safe to look at it.
Yeah, spoiler markup should be used sparingly, but assuming that a decade-old story is old enough to not be spoilered is Fan Myopia. Nobody's born knowing all of pop-culture.
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The game is 12 years old... So what? Please, let's kill this idea that people either don't care about video games or play all video games within a decade of release. I've been a gamer for literal decades, and I only just now got started on Final Fantasy VII.
^^^^^ He actually kept almost every reference to Dark Bowser tagged and the ones he removed tags from he changed the text to just say “the Final Boss” or something vague. The one exception is the mention of DB’s name in Boss Bonanza, which should probably be changed to just “the Final Boss.”
^^^^ I may have been too vague about this (sorry), but I was talking about this guy removing spoiler tags on the pages for endgame trope, not him removing tags for those tropes’ entries on a work page. The latter is obviously not good, but every single entry on Where It All Began or Disc-One Final Dungeon discuss the end of a game or a fake-out endgame, so they all have spoilers. Going spoilers off for those pages makes sense, which is why a lot of Ending and Death Tropes go spoilers off.
^ Like I said, that Bonus Boss entry is one I think should’ve stayed spoiled, but people definitely get less sensitive to spoilers with time, so I don’t think this guy is being a menace by making one judgement call I don’t agree with.
^ it doesn't matter if a trope page is spoilers off. when you list that trope on a work page, or a character page or what have you, you can spoiler it out.
^^ The issue is that on those pages rather than removing the spoiler tags that shouldn't cover the details the trope is discussing, Vulkus removed 'all' spoiler tags that reveals major spoilers that were supposed to be hidden. It does not apply spoilers off because the tags used weren't hiding details about the main trope.
Edited by TheTropper Your receipt. You can keep the freakin' change.
^...that's what i said. im on the side that Vulkus's tag removal was excessive.
^ I might be mistaken, but you seem to think Thetropper was responding to you, even though they were responding to Dust Snitch.
^^^^ To clarify, Vulkus did not remove spoiler tags Where It All Began, Route Boss, or Disc-One Final Boss from a work or character page. He did so on their trope pages. I think my wording made that unclear, so sorry about that
^^ I’ll take your word for the works I don’t know about on those pages, which is a lot of them. All I got to say is that the tags he removed did cover up all the relevant context for the Saw and Avengers examples from Where It All Began.
Edited by DustSnitch
^^ when Thetropper initially posted, they only had one arrow. the second was added after my post.
also, yeah, if it's on the trope pages, that's a different matter entirely. those are ending tropes and they all have spoiler warnings in the descriptions. removing spoiler markup on that page is fine. they're read-at-your-own-risk.
But he didn't remove them on the trope pages, he did it on the work page. Vulkus has not edited Disc-One Final Boss
.
Also not only did he mostly change Dark Bowser to Final Boss, he outright deleted it on the work page.
Edited by jjjj2 You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Bump.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Bump again.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Didn't a Wiki Talk thread decide that only very old works are safe to make Spoilers Off, which usually means works that are old enough that their copyright expired? Plus, the idea that a work from 12 years ago counts as old enough to mark as Spoilers Off makes me feel old, and I disagree with it.
Edited by GastonRabbit Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
The age thing isn't really a factor even with very old works. How many Shakespeare works, including the historical ones, do the public know the slightest detail of? Most people don't even know that plays like Cymbeline or Timon of Athens exist. And that's not going into all the other writers of centuries ago, like John Ford, Christopher Marlowe or Molière.
People are much more likely to know the plot of a modern hit movie than the plot of a classic play (or novel).
^I actually don't agree with the decision to make Public Domain works Spoilers Off by default. I was just referencing a Wiki Talk discussion from late 2019 regarding Public Domain works, which I don't remember the exact details of (or even what the thread was called).
Edited by GastonRabbit Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
No one in this tread has talked about making old works Spoilers Off. I myself have used spoiler tags on works that are 2000 years old. The troper in question made three spoiler-related trope pages spoilers offnote and removed several, but not all or even most spoiler tags from an old Mario game.
The tagged examples mainly covered up the fact that you fight tutorial boss again except he's tougher, that the villain at one point uses "Dark" as a prefix to their name, and the identity of a Bonus Boss that's a Continuity Nod. Examples talking about the latter should still be tagged IMO, but I think his other edits make the page better and even the edits I disagree with are defensible.
I think we should send him a message telling him to use edit reasons before making big changes and then one of us should tag the Continuity Nod Bonus Boss examples again.
I think my train of thought got derailed earlier due to a lack of sleep lately, so fair enough on Spoilers Off not being completely relevant here.
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No, he's a Bonus Boss that you only fight if you make it to the end of Class 7 of The Gauntlet, and is a completely different fight from the tutorial. That he happens to be the same character as the tutorial boss doesn't mean their existence isn't a spoiler.
I can understand that being less worthy of spoiler tags if no context is given, but the context is Fawful after absorbing part of the power of an ancient evil that's not indicated to exist at all until halfway through the game, with the power absorption coming in at about the last hour of the game.
Pretty self-explanatory.
I don't understand. Are you insinuating that because it's a Mario game it doesn't have much to spoil?
(Also, bear in mind that this game also had a remake released in 2019 so "old" also doesn't really apply.)
Edited by MegaMarioMan
I know the context of Dark Fawful, but his name alone is not a spoiler, which is all he removed. Also, I sincerely don't see how the bonus boss re-match is a spoiler. I played the game a decade ago and never completed the boss rush, so forgive me if I'm being ignorant, but is there any story content in the boss rush? Isn't it all re-matches against enemies that are slightly harder? What about the experience is ruined or spoiled by knowing that one of the bosses you re-match is tougher and has an X next to their name?
"Old Mario game" is just a way to describe this game. The emphasis is more on the fact that this isn't a person who stripped the page clean of spoilers; they only removed a few. From what I've seen, this person is not a vandal and I think any action taken should take that into account.
Bump.
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I think the subject is getting veered off a bit. To reiterate, did Vulkus had any reasoning to removing all spoiler tags from the trope pages mentioned above? Route Boss didn't have a spoiler notification prior to this, it was only added by Vulkus while they were deleting all the tags.
Not only that, they also went and removed all spoiler tags from Happy Ending Override, Cruel Twist Ending, and Spoiled by the Format without any reason explaining why. Especially adding "Unmarked" in the warnings when each previously said "Beware spoilers".
Edit: Might as well take this to a new thread.
Vulkus removed a decently large amount of spoiler tags and commented-out ZCEs
on Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story. While some of the removals are reasonable (such as the spoiler about Luigi sleeping through the battle tutorial), others were valid spoiler-tags about content from near the end of the game, which has resulted in the page looking (more) inconsistent about what's spoiler-worthy or not (sometimes things are spoiled, sometimes they aren't, and sometimes the spoilers are written around), while some of the removed ZCEs like The Dragon and Dual Boss were also tropes that did occur in the game and just hadn't been elaborated on.
Unsure just how widespread this is, but this edit
on Mega Man 11 seems to be of a similar nature.