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@dood: What Island episode?

Setsuna: "GUND-AM!"

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ep 2

Y'know, in comparison to his expies Sousuke and Setsuna, Heero gives the impression of being uncaring about how to deal with people, rather than being unable to do so. Less a lack of social skills, more a case of Jackass Übermensch. Just an observation.

Ah, Duo. Y'know, I've never been able to make up my mind about which of the Gundam Boys is my favorite (out of Heero, Duo, Trowa, and even Quatre), but I definitely like Duo a lot.

And here I am looking at Relena's hoity-toity birthday party that she doesn't really seem to be enjoying, and I find myself wondering when Nena Trinity's going to come in and shoot the place up out of spite. And, Relena says "I'm old enough now to understand how important your business is to you." ...but I feel like she's still very sad or even bitter about not getting to spend much quality time with her dad.

But yeah, the "little prince" reference she makes about Heero reeeaaaaally isn't something that translates well into English. It kinda makes her sound like a cuckoolander.

...! Welp, we've figured out Relena's personality for Gundam Wing Abridged, if ever we try and make that into a thing.

Trowa's pretty cool. I also like his future girlfriend character. She's cool too, though I forget her name at the moment.

edited 26th Jul '15 5:21:11 PM by EvaUnit01

There was an episode in the original Mobile Suit Gundam about a former Zeon pilot who went AWOL to live on an island with some orphans or something. It had nothing to do with the overall plot and was so terrible in terms of animation errors and just general shittiness that Tominio has basically refused to allow it to be released in any form. It's not on any of the DVDs and I'm not even sure if it was aired in syndication or not.

Also, Relena's "little prince" reference is actually a reference to The Little Prince, so it's not some weird Japanese thing. (That doesn't keep it from being weird, though.)

Yet it exists. Gundam Abridged even covered it. Using G Gundam Abridged voice actors.

¡The scene with the God/Burning Finger in that episode Was Awesome!

If you want to know what GM stands for, remember that Gundam, unlike every other Japanese postwar animation, is pro-allied. GM is a play on GI; General Infantry. General Mobile.

It depends on the operational theater. The tanks did poorly in broken terrain and on the offensive, because both gave greater scope for the Zakus to get in among them quickly. This is why the Federation rushed mobile suits out to the Kojima Battalion in Southeast Asia: the hilly, jungled terrain is well-suited to mobile suit warfare and very poor for tanks.

However fighting defensively, on open terrain, it seems that the Federation's tanks actually did at least give as good as they got. The major theaters of combat during the war were the Sahara and the Russian steppes; places where the Federation's more numerous tanks could mass their firepower to engage Zakus at long range, negating the disadvantages they had in mobility and armor. And of course the last great tank offensive of the UC era took place at Odessa on the Russian steppes.

edited 26th Jul '15 9:02:37 PM by Night

I always thought it was something like "Gundam Mass-production", since that's basically what it is.

In any case, I find myself wondering what people think of Tomino's other, non-Gundam works - stuff like Space Runaway Ideon, Brain Powerd, and Overman King Gainer.

¿As in Users in this Thread? I Dont know if you mean that but i will Tell my opinions of Said Shows.

I Found Brain Powerd to be rather Relaxing and i liked how to The Protagonists the Brains were more of Pets Rather than Weapons,

I only Know Ideon because i Heard of its Infamous Kill Em All Ending So i assume Its Pretty Bleak

I have not Watched King Gainer yet But i heared is more Comedy Based than other Tomino Shows making Kind of a Spiritual Sucessor to Xabungle

edited 26th Jul '15 9:37:02 PM by dood9780

I'm about a fifth of the way into Brain Powered at the moment, and I really like how the Empathic Weapon aspect of the Brains is given a lot more attention than it is for most other cases of the trope (like, say, the Evangelions).

I think its Because the Brains Unlike the Evas were Not Created to Fight

Or, y'know, Anoo never really thought about actually exploring that whole "weapon with its own feelings" thing.

Which, when you think about it, the Evas are themselves said to be, IIRC, "artificial humans", and are then explicitly run by [fragments of] human souls as their CP Us. So when a human with a human soul has to spends its whole life locked up in a Restraining Bolt armor that basically never allows it to move until some self-absorbed teenager literally gets plugged into its nervous system and starts yelling at it...

....yeah, it's no wonder that EVAs 00 and 01 have a tendency to go goddamned batfuck crazy whenever they get anything resembling a chance to do so.

...Indeed.

In other news, more After Colony on the morrow.

If we're going to talk about non-Gundam Tomino works, please establish another thread.

New question: Any reason the EF gave up on transformable MS by F91?

The EF were still using Jegans in F91 as their main unit, they did not really advance at all mech wise. Most of the EF Unicorn suits are more techy than they should really have based on their portrayal in F91 and Victory.

Other outfits started using smaller more mobile suits that might dodge the uber powerful beam weapons that were being employed, F91 itself was designed specifically around super speed while still being smaller than the original Gundam but still twice the size of most victory era suits.

Victory ran on in battle replacement parts which did transform while Crossbone were designed for high gravity thus bulky like Zeta's The O.

edited 27th Jul '15 9:31:33 AM by Memers

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What about Wu Fei?

"EVERYBODY HATES WU FEI"

I'm pretty sure someone li-

"EVERBODY. HATES. WU. ****ING. FEI."

That out of the way...

Heero's major difference is Setsuna and Sousuke's behavior are side effects of their environment...If that makes sense.

Setsuna and Sousuke you could believe wouldn't be the way they are if Life hadn't handed them the deal they got. Heero... Heero seems like he would have choosen this life regardless

edited 27th Jul '15 9:45:57 AM by FrozenWolf2

The transformation thing turned out to be high-cost low-return. The Zeta transformed for atmospheric flight and reentry, something accomplished equally well by a much cheaper ballute and sub-flight system.

Mobile suits got smaller and thruster tech got more powerful. Eventually the space-use transformation designs weren't performing any better either, resulting in F91. By late Crossbone and early Victory the use of mobile suit Minovsky drives is taking a big dump on the original all-environment mobility reasons for suits to transform at all.

I don't hate Wufei. He is probably my second favorite of the Pilots. Third if you count Zechs.

edited 27th Jul '15 9:44:41 AM by Nikkolas

That said, the League Militaire did end up making a combiner their standard front-line suit. In many ways, you could actually say that the Victory Gundam was the most successful transformable machine of the Universal Century.

Combining is pretty different from transforming, I'd say. Unless you want to call the original Gundam/Guntank/Guncannon transformable.

Double Zeta and Victory are way different than the guntank and such. Each part transforms to fit and yada.

The original Core fighter series literally just discards its pieces and they do not operate separately. Plus most of that is pretty much non-canon nowadays having all that Super Robot stuff shoved out of continuity.

edited 27th Jul '15 11:11:12 AM by Memers

The big difference is that the Project V suits basically had escape pods and the ability to interface with other war machines. The Victory series, on the other hand, are fully-realised transformers, capable of turning into planes (or clusters of smaller planes) without external assistance as a useful combat tactic. A separated RX-78 is basically a Core Fighter plus inanimate kibble. A separated Victory is a fighter squadron. In combat role, they're much more akin to transformers like the Zeta and its descendants.

edited 27th Jul '15 11:16:21 AM by Iaculus

Core fighter and the basic parts are still canon (it's kind of an important plot point that the fighter is how Amuro survives the finale of the original series)

It's all the weird random forms and combinations that were cut out.

I imagine this has been posted already, but I'm still excited for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ztVkhfSGU

Seeing Char Aznable be consumed by hatred and start his descent into discarding innocent lives just so he can have his revenge will make for an excellent episode. I'm curious how far it will get as the last OVA only covered half of one volume that makes up the 4 volumes in total that cover the Char/Sayla backstory material in The Origin.

Yeah, I'm not seeing how that contradicts my point. The fact the parts do things separately doesn't really reflect that they're similar to the Zeta at all. It's a natural outgrowth of the technologies that went into the original combination system, and the ones that would later be developed for the ZZ; if you're going to try to do this in action, granting them motive power of their own and the ability to be controlled is a must. In essence they're solving both a technical (use of the parts is only possible under the right circumstances) and a tactical problem (this is a really dangerous thing to attempt under fire without some ability to change it up so it's not as predictable) that went back to the combat use of the RX-78-2.

There's no legacy of the transformable suits like the Zeta in the Victory, from either a technical or a tactical perspective.

edited 27th Jul '15 3:15:11 PM by Night