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Now I'm feeling that this is too horrible a thing to inflict on Ironeye, even though we're talking about a fictional character... o_o;

Well, you've persuaded me that this isn't such a great idea, unless we want to majorly piss off the viewers. There's no way we could do this and then pull off a satisfactory happy ending.

edited 23rd Jan '10 4:01:41 PM by BobbyG

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Yeah, I would love it if we could do something like this, but this is also the sort of thing everyone has spent the last eight months stopping me from doing because it couldn't work with the ending everyone voted for.

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Would everyone who created one of the seven main characters please check TV Tropes The TV Show—I've finished inputting all of the tropes from my notes, but my text doc was a bit out of date... Also, any tropes you could add would be great.

Note: Even though we're calling Cody's power a Somebody Else's Problem field, the actual trope is Weirdness Censor—just going to head that question off at the pass, so to speak.

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Aye, I realised the other day reading that page that Somebody Else's Problem wasn't the trope. Perhaps we should rename the power to Weirdness Censor.

edited 24th Jan '10 4:23:35 AM by BobbyG

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If Matrix has Everything's Cuter with Kittens when he's in a good mood, should he have Cats Are Mean for his bad moods?

Good idea, Kara.

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.

The search for Wicked Witch minions:

We are looking for Mooks to follow the Wicked Witch of the West. We would like them to be from Mid America (either the creator or the setting from the Rockies to the Appalachians), however if they're really fitting, I personally would accept creations from outside the area.

Some ideas that I have: (this is not group consensus, but I think it makes sense)

• Fantasy or Sci fi settings; No technology: Cyborgs and such are out.

• For the most part they should be vaguely humanoid, but distorted somewhat, such as mutations, being from a different race, etc. The Witch aims to distort the area she rules, and I think her minions should reflect that.

We are doing this because we're planning on having some show up in the pilot to set up the plot later, but feel it would be rather boring in this setting if the Witch only had her minions from the movie.

edited 24th Jan '10 10:37:47 PM by arks

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Hork-Bajir? They're bipedal, and they'd be plenty dangerous without sci-fi weaponry.

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They are also good yet also quite dumb- easily manipulated, easily tragic.

Changing topics briefly, some of you may be wondering what the status of a particular character is. Our character page (TV Tropes The TV Show) currently has all confirmed characters listed. These characters were selected based on multiple criteria, including:

• The presence of a contributor
• The amount of existing material for the character
• The amount that the character's presence (or absence) would disrupt the story, for reasons including:
  • Difficult power to work with
  • Overlapping character traits with a character that is otherwise ranked higher
  • Overlapping powers with a character that is otherwise ranked higher
  • Subplots that have nothing to do with, well, anything else
  • Subplots that have a lot to do with the main plot
  • Filling an important role on the team

We ended up selecting eleven characters that counted as Author Avatars—Eddie and Janitor are more like plot devices at this point. All other characters in the bin are being considered on an as-needed basis with priority granted on the criteria listed above. Some characters, like Tangent 128, are hardly worth considering, but several others, such as mrsaturn, have a good chance.

edited 26th Jan '10 2:14:03 AM by Ironeye

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Oh, there's something I noticed earlier tonight: the show could stand to have a bit more romance.

Now, we do have a couple on the show (Murky and Faw), but their relationship isn't exactly one with a lot of conflict. After all, it's immediately clear that she's into him, and he's not exactly the type to hide that he's into her. While they do have problems, the problems are more of the let's get through this together type than anything else (eg Faw regaining his memories and realizing that he wasn't all that great of a person before C-Day).

No, what we need is a relationship with conflict, a couple that doesn't end up together because one of them blows it—things like that. Perhaps even an I'm in love with someone other than the person I'm sleeping with. So, yeah...I'm thinking about this.

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Completely unrelated to anything important, but I just thought of a power for either a one-shot or semi-recurring character (maybe one of the background characters at TV Tropes base or part of Section IV.)

The power is telekinesis with certain limitations. The way the power works is that it takes an object and removes the gravity around it. Objects connected to other objects will be treated as one object. There is no strength behind this ability, so if anything is resting on top of the object the person is trying to lift, he/she won't be able to lift that object until the object on top is removed.

Also the person can't rotate or reshape the objects in question, just move them through space. The only rotations that happen are those that would naturally occur around the center of gravity in the object to maintain balance.

Attacking with the power is done by getting objects up to speed then releasing them from influence, letting inertia take care of the rest. This takes a lot of skill and practice since the effect is best if they release at the last possible moment. As long as they are holding on to the object it is, for all intents and purposes, weightless and thus ineffective as a weapon.

I said before that there is no strength, but that was actually a half-lie, there is enough strength in it to mostly cut through air resistance. However, the more air resistance an object has, the slower it is allowed to go, therefore it is better to use objects with a low air resistance to weight ratio than heavy objects.

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Alright, earlier this night I proposed a fix to Hikari's planned future material so that we didn't totally screw over our tone for the ending:

• Have a way to get rid of the demon without killing Hikari
• Have the team pull it off after Hikari has become a nihilist and given up on fighting the demon
  • This does not necessarily need to be some crazy magic/device/whatever that the team itself uses—it could quite easily be Hikari doing something that manages to get him out of his Deal with the Devil.

Big Dawg approved it, so we just need to get Hikari's opinion. Alternatively, we could:

• Change the Ironeye/Hikari dynamic so that Ironeye doesn't have a major role in Hikari's fall. I personally don't like this option, since I really like that part of the subplot as-is.
• Have Hikari regain control in some way but still be stuck with the demon. I don't like this version as much as the version I suggested to Kara because the other one has more of a resolution to it.

So, yeah, what does everyone else think?

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.

No complaints from me.

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So Kat and Hikari's demon won't have a totally awesome fight? I guess this means I'll have to remove her Superpowered Evil Side. Oh well.

One question: How soon will Kat make an appearance (even as a background character)? I ask because 1) it would let me know that my contributions were worthwhile and 2) so I can shut-up about the whole matter.

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If Kat appears, it will not be in Season 1.

Also, if Kat appearing is the standard by which you judge your contributions, well, you're doing it wrong. I do mean that both ways: your contributions shouldn't be entirely focused on one character, and that character wasn't (and still isn't) a particularly good fit for the show.

edited 29th Jan '10 10:51:40 AM by Ironeye

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.

I'm fine with what you propose for Hikari, Ironeye.

Okay, we need someone willing to fill the role of arks. For any takers out there, here's the audition material:

arks audition:

arks is a character who pretends to enjoy life. For the most part he is very on and very strong in his personality. However, it is still a personality he takes on because he wants to change himself and realizes the best way to change your personality is to pretend to be someone else until you fully believe you are the new person. He has had time to practice before he first appears and he's become very good at it, but there are still insecurities below the surface, which do need to come out every once in a while. Also, he may act brash and impulsive, but there is a hidden intelligence and perceptiveness beneath the surface.

"Don't worry I won't die. I can't die."

Say it first with a lot of bravado. Then say it more calm, like a Meaningful Echo.

"You're so cute."

When Hikari is getting overzealous about something. Meant to take the wind out from underneath him.

"Well, this looks tough."

arks likes understatement.

"Hey, what's up?"

Remember, arks default way of dealing with people is polite friendliness. Try to make this sound warm and inviting.

"I have bad news for you. If you thought this was going to be an easy battle, you were sorely mistaken. I'm not so easily swatted away as you think, and I will keep coming back at you again and again, slowly draining your energy until you make a mistake. Don't underestimate my resolve. This will be your worst fight ever. Have at you."

Said very much in the way of the Shonen Hot Blooded type, almost to the point of parody.

If you want, you can go to the default lines. (On the Casting Call page) Try saying them full out and more calm, but still with emotional investment. arks isn't one to hide his emotions, and even if he does, he'll hide it by replacing it with another, rather than suppressing it.

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Hikari and I had a long-ish talk tonight and we figured out a bit more of the Ironeye/Hikari story. While we don't have the details ironed out yet, and I don't want to derail our current focus on the pilot, I can say that it changes the ending of Hikari's story from a Downer Ending to a Crowning Moment Of Heartwarming. While it's not quite a Happily Ever After for these guys—they are both morally gray at best, after all—they have both taken their first step on the path towards redemption.

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.