Do remember, that rabbit monsters do actually count for this trope. Just because it's a rabbit doesn't mean it's misuse.
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Rabid Fujoshi
Eh, I thought we said you had to use Hair-Raising Hare for it. If not then the misuses are not misuses. Most of the examples are animals or dolls, only a few are characters.
edited 15th Sep '11 6:46:15 PM by NoirGrimoir
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Hair-Raising Hare isn't a subtrope. It's just a general trope for Rabbit monsters cute or ugly. Killer Rabbit requires that something appear cute and be deadly. Thus rabbits can count. We just want to make sure there are no rabbits that aren't both cute and deadly listed as examples of this trope.
edited 15th Sep '11 6:47:32 PM by shimaspawn
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Rabid Fujoshi
It's hard to tell that with this kind of trope in wick checks since is relies on appearances. Honestly most of them were pretty close to X Just X, I had to make a lot of inferences.
edited 15th Sep '11 6:50:16 PM by NoirGrimoir
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Think of the mooks!
Also, the dolls are misuse; those are covered by Happy Fun Ball. Though it appears there aren't many examples of those on this page (and Barbarella also contains a legit example with killer parakeets).
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Rabid Fujoshi
Dolls are cute though. Randoms objects aren't really cute, just seemingly harmless.
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It's not a cute/not cute issue, though. It's an alive/not alive issue - that's the point of distinction between Killer Rabbit and Happy Fun Ball.
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Rabid Fujoshi
I guess so.
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If the dolls were alive though (animated or zombie-like) and were both cute and deadly they could still qualify, right? Many games include living dolls as enemies, and as long as they remain cute enough for a child in appearance (as opposed to grotesque in the way that zombies resemble people) they could presumably still be this trope.
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Think of the mooks!
The rule of thumb is to generally go by what would actually count for "alive" if it was Real Life. So dolls, no matter what the animating source (magic, machinery, Phlebotinum, etc.) only count if they are defined as being legitimately alive in that source. You could make an argument for a couple of worlds where this is true (such as Rhapsody A Musical Adventure), but dolls are almost always manufactured and not truly alive. Thus, even if animated, they aren't an example of Killer Rabbit.
I think an Undead Child is actually the question mark for if it's a Killer Rabbit or a Happy Fun Ball. Sure, it obviously once was alive. However, it was rendered not alive... so which way does a child's corpse fall? I'd lean towards Killer Rabbit, as whatever animates the child usually spreads like it's a living organism of some sort (and, if it's biologically based, might explicitly be one).
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Rabid Fujoshi
Putting dolls aside for the moment, my main question is whether this is for animals only, because it does and it doesn't seem to be so. We also have Badass Adorable which I think most human characters under the examples would fit under. Should we make this animals only?
edited 16th Sep '11 11:16:36 PM by NoirGrimoir
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That might be a good idea.
But the only difference between this and Badass Adorable seems to be the fact that Badass Adorable is usually on the protagonists' side and Killer Rabbit is an opponent to be reckoned with or avoided.
I think this trope was designed for monsters. Not just animals, but the weird creatures that you attack in the course of your adventures. Actual fleshed out characters are not this trope.
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Rabid Fujoshi
I just think the description is really vague and we need to figure out what exactly defines something that falls under this and fix the description, because it's really unclear on that.
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Yeah, I think the Killer Rabbit trope (which predates Badass Adorable) was originally meant for non-sophonts. Even if the level of intelligence is childlike (like Kirby, for example), I think that's the dividing line between Killer Rabbit and Badass Adorable.
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What if we're talking about an enemy enfant terrible who is not adorable nor portrayed as adorable at all?
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Limiting it to non-sophonts gets my vote.
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I think an enemy young child who looks very nonthreatening and innocent but is actually a Person of Mass Destruction, with free will and personality and a mean streak, would count as this trope.
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I think that's shoehorning, and can only contribute to trope decay. This was obviously intended to be cute, fuzzy, killer animals, and I think we should keep it that way.
If you want to make a supertrope for evil examples of Badass Adorable, which could also be a supertrope for Happy Fun Ball, that might be ok, but otherwise, I think Enfante Terrible + some trope about evil covers what you want.
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Better non-sophonts than explicitly animals, in my opinion.
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Or animal analogs, sure. Non-sophonts, definitely.
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Or, we could just cut Badass Adorable, for being the same thing as killer Rabbit, as described in the last Killer Rabbit trope repair shop thread.
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Never done one of these myself before but here we go. (And this is assuming people count).
edited 15th Sep '11 6:43:19 PM by NoirGrimoir
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