The Military Thread:

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15276 HouraiRabbit8th Oct 2012 06:37:03 PM from Fort Sandbox, El Paso , Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Isn't it amazing, now I have princess wings!
Weren't we in the Philippines fighting these guys back in the day? They made Black Jack Pershing famous or something. Persistent bastards, I'll give them credit for that.

edited 8th Oct '12 6:39:33 PM by HouraiRabbit

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15277 TuefelHundenIV8th Oct 2012 07:27:17 PM from Wandering. , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
There is a "tale" that Black Jack captured a bunch of them. Had them executed with bullets coated in pig fat, wrapped the bodies in pig skins and fileld the graves with pig guts and blood. They let one guy go to tell others what happened.

Pershing's behaviour, style of command, and actions in that particular era run counter to this story. I.E. just another tall tale spun by some Anti-Islam loon to encourage excessive violence.

Black Jack was not keen on sending the hordes of entrenched Muslim Philipinos to Allah by sending his soldiers in to dig them out at high cost.

edited 8th Oct '12 8:15:17 PM by TuefelHundenIV

"Who watches the watchmen?"
15278 TairaMai8th Oct 2012 08:01:45 PM from El Paso Tx , Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
rollin' on dubs
Black Jack was an Army General. Jacob H. Smith there was given the nickname The Monster was also army, but he got kicked out, not lauded. The pig skin BS is just that, BS made by idiots. There was a rebellion when the Philippines were US territory, that's why the M1911 was developed.

edited 8th Oct '12 8:03:40 PM by TairaMai

15279 TuefelHundenIV8th Oct 2012 08:15:00 PM from Wandering. , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
Bah your right. I was purusing 3 different articles and switching back to the post box. Pershing is Army. Did not know about the other guy though.

Also apparently Pershing was considered rather diplomatic and successful in dealing with locals when he had time to work with them.

edited 8th Oct '12 8:17:47 PM by TuefelHundenIV

"Who watches the watchmen?"
15280 SabresEdge8th Oct 2012 08:25:32 PM from forty shillings on the drum
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15281 TuefelHundenIV8th Oct 2012 08:32:52 PM from Wandering. , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
From what I can see Perhing took that to heart. He also apparently took the time to understand and work with the locals.
"Who watches the watchmen?"
15282 entropy139th Oct 2012 07:37:38 AM from Somewhere only we know. , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
わからない
A lot of the "first wave" of US military men were...antagonistic, to say the least, to the locals. Just compare the Mac Arthur father and son, for example. His father isn't exactly seen in a good light (as military governor it got worse because he often clashes with Taft, who was the civilian governor and was looked at favorably by Filipinos), but the son (Douglas) is.

There's a new anime called Girls und Panzer (hence one of the fansubs adds some German words to their English subs) and in the first few minutes alone there is a Panzer III, a Panzer IV, a Type 95 (in bright yellow!), a M3 Lee (in pink!), and weirdly a Stu G III (in a combination of red/dark yellow/white/blue and full of banners similar to what samurai put on their backs). Mathilda II and Churchill are also mentioned.

edited 9th Oct '12 7:59:45 AM by entropy13

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15283 Greenmantle9th Oct 2012 08:07:24 AM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: Hiding
Not what you expected?
[up]

I know, I've read the Manga: I'm trying to find a fansub...

It's good to see some British Tanks for once!smile*

edited 9th Oct '12 8:08:43 AM by Greenmantle

"It's been a long, hard road but you must carry on"
15284 TamH709th Oct 2012 08:09:11 AM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
Girls Und Panzer? And this is different from Upotte!! how?
15285 Greenmantle9th Oct 2012 08:12:42 AM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: Hiding
Not what you expected?
They Drive Tanks. World War II Tanks.

I watched all of Stratos4*, so I should like this one.

I'll just drop this here.

edited 9th Oct '12 8:13:15 AM by Greenmantle

"It's been a long, hard road but you must carry on"
15286 entropy139th Oct 2012 08:20:17 AM from Somewhere only we know. , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
わからない
[up][up]It's unlike Upotte since they're not anthromorphications of tanks. For example, the first few minutes of the episode is actually "in the future" already as towards the end of the episode their school, hence the 21 students who took up "Tank-do", starts with a Panzer III that's in need of repair.

The British tanks, the Mathilda I Is (4 of them) and the lone Churchill (most of the tanks in the first ep, actually) only makes a brief appearance. As I've also said in the show's topic in the Anime section, I wonder when we'll see the T-34, M4 Sherman, and the Tiger (also mentioned in the first ep). Commie is the only group that have subbed it thus far, and their German member (not sure if it's their typesetter or encoder) added some German in it. V2 has less amount of German while the V1 subs are essentially an English/German hybrid. lol

edited 9th Oct '12 8:28:12 AM by entropy13

I'm reading this because it's interesting. I think.
Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot, over.
15287 Greenmantle9th Oct 2012 08:22:32 AM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: Hiding
Not what you expected?
Just seen a few seconds, now it's DL'd. Low Budget, even by Anime standards, with plenty of Conspicuous CG. I'll watch it all later and see how it turns out.

edited 9th Oct '12 8:23:10 AM by Greenmantle

"It's been a long, hard road but you must carry on"
15288 TamH709th Oct 2012 08:53:48 AM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
I dunno about that tank girl one. Today after all is the first day that I had heard of it.

Nice of the CIA to honor Doctor Jones. That man is one of my heroes.

That Stratos 4 thing looks a lot like Upotte!! and Sky Girls. Could be worth a watch.

edited 9th Oct '12 8:54:50 AM by TamH70

15289 pagad9th Oct 2012 11:02:46 AM from perfidious Albion , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
re: Stratos 4 -

On the one hand: Is that a TSR-2?! On the other hand: But it's an anime!

I feel so conflicted.

edited 9th Oct '12 11:03:12 AM by pagad

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15290 InverurieJones9th Oct 2012 12:08:07 PM from North of the Wall. , Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
'80s TV Action Hero
OTC ATC, request deconfliction service...
The owls are not what they seem.
15291 pvtnum119th Oct 2012 12:18:12 PM from Kerbin low orbit , Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
Standby for deconflict, firing for effect.

My father-in-law went to a Medal Of Honor signing event this weekend. My wife brought back a book of quotes from all of the recipients (WWII-on), signed by the 55 of the 81 still-living recipients that were present for the event. My younger sister-in-law shook the prosthetic hand of one of them and thanked him for his service.
Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
15292 InverurieJones9th Oct 2012 12:22:01 PM from North of the Wall. , Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
'80s TV Action Hero
Did it come off?

...

I'm a terrible person. I know.
The owls are not what they seem.
15293 Barkey9th Oct 2012 12:32:56 PM from Bunker 051 , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War Profiteer
I've always kind of wanted a prosthetic hand, so I could freak people out by doing stuff like that.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
15294 InverurieJones9th Oct 2012 12:49:07 PM from North of the Wall. , Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
'80s TV Action Hero
I'd like an eyepatch. Had one for a while. It suited me.

edited 9th Oct '12 12:49:19 PM by InverurieJones

The owls are not what they seem.
15295 Barkey9th Oct 2012 01:24:24 PM from Bunker 051 , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War Profiteer
We actually talked about that in the office yesterday. My roomate made the office aware that I'm blind in one eye, and everyone decided that I should wear an eyepatch.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
15296 InverurieJones9th Oct 2012 01:46:09 PM from North of the Wall. , Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
'80s TV Action Hero
YES.
The owls are not what they seem.
15297 Barkey9th Oct 2012 01:53:52 PM from Bunker 051 , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War Profiteer
mmm... No.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
15298 InverurieJones9th Oct 2012 02:02:10 PM from North of the Wall. , Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
'80s TV Action Hero
Really? Got the wrong shaped head, maybe? I can totally rock an eyepatch.
The owls are not what they seem.
15299 Gabrael9th Oct 2012 02:04:52 PM from My musings , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
@pvtnum That sounds breathtakingly awesome!
"It will be glorious." - Aszur
15300 Barkey9th Oct 2012 02:24:22 PM from Bunker 051 , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War Profiteer
I would just rather not rock an eyepatch heh.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.

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