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 226 Hershele Ostropoler, Sun, 12th Feb '12 8:21:25 PM from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Sharing a spaghetti noodle
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I'm not sure what other evidence there could be but if someone finds some I see no reason to exclude it.

But, serious question, if a trope has a decent wick count, and little to no misuse, what would cause it to need renaming, and why?
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 227 Triple Elation, Sun, 12th Feb '12 8:47:35 PM from Haifa, Isarel
Diagonalizing The Matrix
"Very popular within some fandom, no healthy traffic coming from anywhere else even though the trope applies equally"; "contradicts actual use of the term outside TV Tropes which is many orders of magnitude more significant"; "Very popular with our editors, no one else cares, though you'd expect them to"; "reinventing the wheel, this has 500 Google results and the actual term for it used by society at large has 3, 000, 000"...

You need to provide proof if you want to make a claim like this, of course. And for most of them getting the proof is difficult. But, yes, these kinds of issues can and do exist.

edited 12th Feb '12 8:48:02 PM by TripleElation

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 228 Hershele Ostropoler, Sun, 12th Feb '12 8:55:28 PM from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Sharing a spaghetti noodle
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  • "Very popular within some fandom ..." I'm not sure this indicates a bad name in isolation. EDIT Unless what you mean is something like X-Pac Heat.
  • "Contradicts actual use ..." Fair enough.
  • "Very popular with our editors ..." So what? Why does this need a change? I ask not on the assumption that there is not answer but I don't know what it is.
  • "reinventing the wheel ..." Better dealt with but a redirect; I've made a couple in that vein.

edited 12th Feb '12 8:56:02 PM by HersheleOstropoler

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 229 Triple Elation, Sun, 12th Feb '12 9:06:48 PM from Haifa, Isarel
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I'm not sure this indicates a bad name in isolation.

I mean something like if we named The Power of Love after a Harry Potter reference, and 90% of the inbounds would be from Harry Potter fansites even though it's a trope that shows up everywhere.

So what? Why does this need a change?

Because the wiki is for the readers, not the editors. Eddie himself has acknowledged this in the past, referring to a situation with lots of wicks and weak inbounds as a possible "massive circle-jerk in progress".

"reinventing the wheel ..." Better dealt with but a redirect; I've made a couple in that vein.

I guess we just disagree about that. Allow me a hypothetical, if you would: suppose by some accident we'd ended up with some 80s-sitcom reference as the title to the Leitmotif article?..

edited 12th Feb '12 9:12:35 PM by TripleElation

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 230 Deboss, Sun, 12th Feb '12 9:40:18 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
So "reinventing the wheel" is covered by our current "pre-existing term" policy?
 231 Hershele Ostropoler, Sun, 12th Feb '12 10:05:28 PM from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Sharing a spaghetti noodle
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
[up][up]I think most of the reinventing the wheel ones can be dealt with by a redirect. As long as we're not talking an overly obscure sitcom reference, I think that's part of the wiki's charm; I don't see the benefit of changing a name that's performing well because there's another term for it as well, the way I see why a name that means something else to the rest of the world should be changed no matter how well it's doing.

I don't think Bothering by the Book* is a worse or more problematic name than Rulebook Slowdown or Work To Rule.
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 232 Ghost 101, Sat, 15th Dec '12 1:20:36 PM from United States
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As a person with disabilities (having CHARGE Syndrome to be exact and considered blind/deaf by the doctors), I find two pages entitled "Nightmare Retardant" and "Fetish Retardant" offensive hence it has the "r" word that discriminates against those with disabilities and special needs. I brought that up under the discussion page but I haven't got a response. I was curious if it could be changed to "Nightmare Fail" or something to that extent? I'll be more than happy to personally change those as well as other pages that uses examples of those.

 233 Septimus Heap, Sat, 15th Dec '12 1:25:20 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I am afraid that given precedent on wiki policy this isn't going to happen.

 234 Madrugada, Sat, 15th Dec '12 1:28:09 PM Relationship Status: In season
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Ghost, that isn't going to happen. Because 'retardant' means "A substance which retards or inhibits the spread or growth of something, as in 'fire retardant' or 'mold retardant'", using 'retard' as a verb, meaning "to slow or halt." It has nothing to do with the use of 'retard' or 'retarded' as an insult.

edited 15th Dec '12 1:29:29 PM by Madrugada

'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 235 Marq FJA, Sat, 15th Dec '12 1:29:17 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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What Maddy and Septimus said. In fact, it's the insulting use of "retard(ed)" that is misusing the word, so it goes against logic to ban usage of said word simply because of it being misused by slang.

edited 15th Dec '12 1:30:28 PM by MarqFJA

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 236 Troacctid, Sat, 15th Dec '12 2:03:58 PM from California
"Retardant" is the opposite of "Fuel". A retardant is something that slows something down. Chemical flame retardants are used to fight forest fires, for example.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
^^ That's not misuse, it's just insensitive: that meaning is derived from "mental retardation", but is considered insulting. (Like "oriental" to refer to a person is not incorrect, but it's impolite, to put it mildly.) But yeah, dictionary.com: "retard: verb (used with object) 1. to make slow; delay the development or progress of (an action, process, etc.); hinder or impede." I think taking exception to the word being used properly is offensive :)

edited 10th Jan '13 9:59:19 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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