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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

G-Editor Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#97501: Oct 17th 2017 at 10:26:46 PM

[tup] The Lolita. Jeez... thats pretty disturbing

And [tdown] to Prime!Unicron

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#97503: Oct 17th 2017 at 10:53:45 PM

[tup] Lolita. Yeesh square Enix. WTF

[tdown] Prime unicrom as while most versions of him are like angrai manya and have a choice to be evil which is why we have versions up. This one is like yaldhabot in that he is the God of Evil that is made of said substance.

@Hamburgertime : He just shows up and turns into a giant monster there, nothing worth noting. Although I saw a good pic on wiki of him trying to destroy the city that could work for the page image.

edited 18th Oct '17 12:24:46 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#97504: Oct 18th 2017 at 12:20:42 AM

  • Submerged: Dr. Arian Lehder is a mad scientist who has developed a way to use mind control to turn soldiers into killing machines. He tests this out by brainwashing three Secret Service agents into killing themselves, the ambassador, and six others during a meeting at the U.S. Embassy in Montevideo, Uruguay. His men later capture a squad of soldiers and he subjects them to the same brainwashing. He reveals to his employer, Col. Jorge Hilan, that he was just using him to test out his new procedure, threatening to kill him if he goes against him. Leaving Hilan's employ, Lehder goes on to offer his service to an organization, helping them with his brainwashing procedure after they agree to have Chris Cody assassinated for interfering with his previous crimes performed with Hilan. Lehder eventually tries to leave the organization when the cops close in, killing his employer when he tries to stop him from abandoning him to be arrested.

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ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#97505: Oct 18th 2017 at 12:58:37 AM

[up] Drafts please.

[tup] Lolita (Never knew Square-Enix did manga).

Overlord: Should Romero go before or after Skonk?

And I know it's tricky, but we now have 6 TMNT entries (3 comic, 3 animation).

miraculous: What's the image?

edited 18th Oct '17 12:59:39 AM by ACW

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#97506: Oct 18th 2017 at 1:02:15 AM

[up] him as a kajui trying to wreck the city with debris particles all around.

[down] [1]

Here it is. Looks pretty good

edited 18th Oct '17 4:18:58 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
monsterhunter-2002 Since: Aug, 2017
#97508: Oct 18th 2017 at 3:17:25 AM

Hey I'm just curious but who do you guys think is the more evil CM, Darth Sidious or Frieza?

If you give your opinion, Sidious is a [tup], while frieza is a [tdown] just so it makes counting the results easier.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#97509: Oct 18th 2017 at 3:33:48 AM

Sidious is worse in that at least freeza has genuine respect for his opponent. He still despises him and would kill and torture him but there's that.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
gileadman2002 Since: Oct, 2017
#97510: Oct 18th 2017 at 3:57:16 AM

[tdown] Frieza is more evil. He is an absurd racist, he laughs while genociding billions, and really enjoys hurting kids. In addition, he never fights fair when losing

monsterhunter-2002 Since: Aug, 2017
#97511: Oct 18th 2017 at 4:00:50 AM

Yes, because palpatine never ordered Vader to kill children before (sarcasm), and palpatine has a death toll of tens of trillions so I am a [tup]

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#97512: Oct 18th 2017 at 4:30:48 AM

With 14[tup] and 0[tdown] here is this guy's entry.

Kamen Rider : The Great leader of shocker serves as the Overarching Villain of the showa era and archetype to which countless villains of the franchise would follow. He desires to convert all of humanity into kajin so the world will be under him and him alone. In the original series he would kidnap people to experiment and brainwash them into becoming his soldiers, even torturing them with electricity to test them. When his old organization Shocker would start to falter by the efforts of the heroes, he founded Gel-Shocker, as well as slaughtering all of his soldiers and detonating the old bases from his previous organization as punishment for their repeated failure. After being defeated, he attempted to destroy his own base with him in it just to get rid of the people who had foiled him. Surviving, he resurfaced in Kamen Rider V 3 where he would create the new organization of Destron and launches attacks on the city, even attempting to send his own adopted son into a pool of acid for trying to go against him. After his defeat there, he would return in Kamen Rider Stronger as the leader of Delza Army in an attempt to take over the world as well as revealing he was the secret creater of Government of Darkness and Geddon responsible for their mayhem as well. He resurfaced again in Kamen Rider Skyrider where he took over the organization of Neo-shocker which believed that humanity was doomed to go extinct unless the population was cut down. However, he did not share these views himself as he used the organization as a cult to simply grow more power for himself. He later showed total disregard for the views of his own organization and human life by attempting to wipe out all oxygen in the atmosphere turning the earth into a wasteland just so he could beat the riders. In the movie, OOO, Den-O, All riders; Let’s Go kamen riders he returns as main villain. Due to the time travel events of Kamen Rider OOO he would discover a cell medal in the 1970’s and fused it with his Shocker medal to produce a powerful monster that he would use to defeat the heroes. This resulted in a Bad Future where Shocker now rules supreme as various organisations that would pop after Shocker’s defeat instead now follow him as well as brainwashing Hongo and Ichimonji into being his servants. Nearing defeat in this movie he would callously kill his own generals just to win. Defined by his God complex and desire to remake the world in his own image he represents the worst the franchise has to offer.

Ill add to drafts with a note about all his different aliases.

[down] you trim it as I don't know what to cut( keep the last line though as that is important) and he Goes top of page under franchise wide

edited 18th Oct '17 5:55:22 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#97513: Oct 18th 2017 at 5:39:36 AM

Okay, the Great Leader (you said it goes at the beginning of the whole page, right?) needs to be trimmed by, like, at least 1/3. A first step could be to not have the whole series names (like make Kamen Rider Stronger into Stronger).

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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#97514: Oct 18th 2017 at 5:54:52 AM

Forgot this one was still on my plate:

  • Fright Night 2: New Blood: The vampiress living under the assumed name "Gerri Dandrige" is none other than Elizabeth Bathory, the blood countess. After being turned, she acquired a bodycount in the hundreds over the centuries, as well as frequently bathing in the blood of her victims to restore her youth and beauty. In the present day she works at a university in Romania for easy access to new prey, in addition to engaging in frequent hunts elsewhere and luring women to her apartment to drain their blood. When she discovers that Amy's blood has the power to make her impervious to sunlight, she turns her and arranges for her to kill her boyfriend Charlie as part of the ritual. While she didn't become a vampire by her own choice, there is no indication that Gerri feels anything other than joy at being a monster.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#97515: Oct 18th 2017 at 5:56:38 AM

[up] Whoops, and so did I apparently.

Anyone who wants to work on Great Leader, it's at the Drafts. I have a way to cut some of the fat: Maybe just pothole his different names to the work their from, and take the work names out of the entry proper. I think that's still over 400 words though.

edited 18th Oct '17 5:58:55 AM by ACW

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#97516: Oct 18th 2017 at 6:00:47 AM

That's the best idea as I think the first and last line are important as he is THE cm of the franchise. I did make a small note of his aliases under a miscellaneous note.

[up] it being 400 is fine as he si like karza and hazaeel

edited 18th Oct '17 6:01:51 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#97517: Oct 18th 2017 at 6:26:53 AM

Karza was able to be trimmed to under 330; even Red Skull's around 330. As for Haazheel, I personally think it's too long, but I was outvoted there.

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#97518: Oct 18th 2017 at 6:49:49 AM

Yeah, no, Shocker's entry needs to be trimmed. He's not on the same level as Karza and Haazheel and many bits in that entry come off as needless detail.

edited 18th Oct '17 6:51:37 AM by Scraggle

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#97519: Oct 18th 2017 at 7:04:05 AM

Allow me to assist:

Kamen Rider : The Great leader of Shocker serves as the ultimate villain of the showa era and archetype to many of his successors.. Desiring to rule the world, he kidnaps countless innocents to experiment on and brainwash them into becoming his soldiers, even torturing them with electricity to test them. When his organization Shocker would start to falter by the efforts of the heroes, he founded Gel-Shocker, slaughtering all of his soldiers in retribution for their failures. He then resurfaced in Kamen Rider V3 where he would create the organization Destron and launches attacks on the city, even attempting to throw his own son into a pool of acid for defying him. He resurfaced again in Kamen Rider: Skyrider where he manipulates the Neo-Shocker group to gain more power, attempting to wipe out the world's oxygen and exterminate humanity to spite the Riders. In the movie, OOO, Den-O, All riders; Let’s Go he resurfaces as the final villain to use time travel to conquer the world, even murdering his own generals to achieve victory, believing in achieving power for himself no matter what the cost.

edited 18th Oct '17 7:08:33 AM by Lightysnake

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#97520: Oct 18th 2017 at 7:06:38 AM

[up] looks good I will add to drafts.

Like dio and Palpatine he'll go franchise wide and at the top of page. i will Put it in drafts and I'll add a note with all of his aliases next to his name using a miscellaneous info note.

edited 18th Oct '17 7:19:02 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#97521: Oct 18th 2017 at 7:11:50 AM

[tup] Lolita.

Thanks to unanimous approval, here are my write ups:

  • Marvel Vs Capcom Infinite: Ultron, upon fusing with Sigma, begins seeking the Infinity Stones to remake both the Marvel and Capcom universes to his liking. Attacking Xgard, Ultron Sigma uses the Sigma Virus to enslave its people, parading them in front of Thor before infecting him and forcing him to fight his friends while Ultron gloats. He also schemes with Grandmaster Meio to drop a bomb on Earth to infect all living things on the planet. When Dante tricks him with the Soul Stone, Ultron Omega attempts to slowly drain him of his life. Desiring nothing less than the extinction of all souls, Utron is loathed by every hero and almost every villain.

Word Count: 109

  • The Legion Phantom has the power to invade and destroy a person’s Underworld, which he abuses to satisfy his love of destruction. Seeking anyone altruistic enough for him to consider “Beautiful” – children included - Legion puts them in a catatonic state, the process shown to be extremely traumatic. With no loyalty to anything save his lust for destroying good people, Legion made an impression despite his limited screentime.

Word Count: 69. He'll go after Sora in the Wizard tree, by the by.

And I'll let ACW work his pothole magic.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#97522: Oct 18th 2017 at 7:16:49 AM

One minor inaccuracy in the Ibitsu writeup...at the very end, when the hero kills the neighbor? the Lolita didn't trick him into that. He stabbed her thinking it was the Lolita and she congratulates him on it before realizing he said the 'wrong one' and realizes he tried to kill her.

It's also VERY strongly implied she's a ghost of some kind.

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#97523: Oct 18th 2017 at 7:29:51 AM

[up] Eh, if moral agency isn't an issue, I still vote [tup].

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#97524: Oct 18th 2017 at 7:31:58 AM

I dont think the fact she is a ghost is a problem as I thought we assume moral agency unless otherwise stated.

I'll just add about two potholes and that's it and with a slight tweak it is done. nx3us said he wanted to have it for a bit for minor corrections, so wait till a few hours before you take it acw.

edited 18th Oct '17 7:54:16 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#97525: Oct 18th 2017 at 7:47:32 AM

Abstaining on the Lolita per Lighty's new info.


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