Follow TV Tropes

Following

Kyon: Big Damn Hero

Go To

Filraen That One Boss from New Donk City Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#76: Sep 30th 2010 at 5:13:45 AM

@thedarkfreak:

I think the enemy slider dislikes Kyon on the same grounds Kanae likes him: In Spite of a Nail. In every world Kanae has been Kyon's personality is approximately the same, long enough for his presence is the most stable thing through all her slides (even if all those Kyon are different people).

I believe the enemy slider definitely doesn't like seeing the "same" guy every time protect Kanae long enough for her to slide again. As such, he "knows" Kyon, as he said, despite never meeting before.

Now, it's going to be interesting his reaction to when he'll realize Kanae isn't sliding away from him this time.


Why did Durandall mention Achakura if she isn't going to add Asakura's Haruhi-chan chibi version then?

Still, Achakura appearing worries me as, for all the humorous situations and being a crackfic, K:BDH takes itself seriously and it isn't a comedy or a parody so I don't see how she can fit correctly. Achakura's only role is being the Butt-Monkey on a Gag Series that, as such, doesn't take itself seriously.

(Of course, I know I'm worrying for nothing since Durandall will likely manage to make Achakura fit the story appropriately.)

edited 4th Nov '10 7:46:14 PM by Filraen

Kyon: Big Damn Hero: timeline & trailer
thedarkfreak Since: Jan, 2001
#77: Sep 30th 2010 at 12:06:01 PM

You've got a point there, I'll admit.

Also, I agree with Marq on the Achakura thing: It was only used as a fan nickname, not to indicate the chibi character. The hints all seem like we're getting close to the first fight that was shown to us, and that was against Asakura.

RainyDaze Eheheh... from UK Since: Jul, 2010
Eheheh...
#78: Sep 30th 2010 at 12:14:26 PM

I thought he indicated that close might be anywhere from 20 to 30 chapters? That's... quite a lot.

Compromise on the Achakura thing: Asakura somehow ends up with a stuffed toy version of herself and possibly the rest of the characters, to make a terrifying collection.

If Evil!Kanae is an amalgamation of all the displaced Kanae, then why would she be trying to kill herself before she could be created? Doing so would rip causality into shreds across the entire breadth of the multiple universes, wouldn't it? I get the feeling she would just be working to make things play out as she knows they have to, without any real hatred involved.

I'm slightly concerned about how the slider LEFT, though. Tearing a whole in the world seems messy.

edited 30th Sep '10 12:36:04 PM by RainyDaze

Now collecting White-Haired Pretty Girls.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#79: Sep 30th 2010 at 1:45:54 PM

As I said in the WMG: To get revenge for all the High Octane Nightmare Fuel Mind Rape that she suffered due to Good!Kanae. Or maybe she's deliberately seeking a Spacetime Crash to end her constant suffering (e.g. inhumanly horrific Bad Dreams, or I'm Having Soul Pains) due to that Mind Rape... and that's assuming that her current existence isn't constant Mind Rape. Brrrr.

edited 1st Oct '10 5:09:14 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#80: Oct 1st 2010 at 5:11:10 AM

Random question: What's the in-series Japanese word for "slider"? Esper, for example, is chounouryokusha (lit. "super/transcendent ability user"). And yes, chounouryoku(sha) is the Real Life Japanese translation of ESP(er).

edited 1st Oct '10 5:13:05 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
RainyDaze Eheheh... from UK Since: Jul, 2010
Eheheh...
#81: Oct 1st 2010 at 10:23:55 AM

I don't know Japanese beyond a few random words but I listened to Haruhi's introduction again. If time traveller is something like miraiji, then sekaiji must be slider. Or was it isekaiji? Maybe there's an N after the ji, too... you might want to find someone with far better knowledge than I have (AKA: better than non-existent) to be certain.

Would Tsuruya's father count as The Don or have we seen him too little to be sure of that?

Now collecting White-Haired Pretty Girls.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#82: Oct 1st 2010 at 12:30:36 PM

... I could've sworn that they dropped the slider from her school intro in the episode. Anyway, now that you spurred me into rewatching the episode, here are the terms that Haruhi uses (with appropiate kanji from Tangorin.com):

Alien = Uchuujin (宇宙人, lit. "space person")

Time traveller = Miraijin (未来人, lit. "future person")

Slider = Isekaijin (異世界人, lit. "different universe/world person")

Esper = Chounouryokusha (超能力者, lit. "super ability user")

Note on "Esper": According to Tangorin.com, Chounouryokusha has the meaning of "person with supernatural power", and thus appears to be used to describe anyone with any supernatural power, not just psychic/psionic(-based) ones. Thus, translating it to Esper might not be quite accurate; it is, however, the best alternative.

edited 1st Oct '10 12:32:07 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
RainyDaze Eheheh... from UK Since: Jul, 2010
Eheheh...
#83: Oct 1st 2010 at 1:01:48 PM

I always think mirai looks pretty. Sounds nice, too.

Now collecting White-Haired Pretty Girls.
Filraen That One Boss from New Donk City Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#84: Oct 1st 2010 at 2:23:47 PM

MarqFJA: If what you said is true I'm worried then how Evil!Kanae came to be. I mean how all other Kanae got together so they could merge. Somebody was gathering them? Which made me realize something: for what I can see on every world SOSBrigade!Kanae has taken Michikyuu Kanae's body. Why?


Tsuruya's father as The Don... I'd say not enough info yet.

On the same boat: While I added it, I'm not sure if the Wham Line entry qualify.

Karae's "dream" leading to her kissing Kyon is an inversion subversion of Dream Sequence or an inversion of All Just a Dream?

How is How Much Did You Hear? played? I saw the trope but not the exact form the use

edited 2nd Oct '10 4:36:42 AM by Filraen

Kyon: Big Damn Hero: timeline & trailer
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#85: Oct 1st 2010 at 2:34:05 PM

It doesn't have to be that someone gathered them. It could be a side-effect of the sliding power, plus the whole All the Myriad Ways aspect of The Multiverse: "The number of parallel universes is equal to the number of possible divergence points in the timeline." Or something like that. Somewhere, somewhen, there will be a universe/timeline where all those Kanaes had survived their "overwriting" and merge into a single gestalt entity.

edited 1st Oct '10 2:34:41 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
thedarkfreak Since: Jan, 2001
#86: Oct 1st 2010 at 3:37:46 PM

@Filraen: Personally, I don't think the Wham Line you listed counts as one. I think the line, "Not half as monstrous as that thing you're trying to kiss" is more of a Wham Line. The whole scene was building up to Kyon and Kanae kissing, and then that line comes out of nowhere, just ahead of the slider attack.

As for the dream thing, I can't say. I can see it being an inversion of both, really.

For 'How Much Did You Hear?', what's listed on the page makes sense to me. I might also add an entry to that for the latest chapter, where Yuki stealth-teleports Kyon in as Haruhi is glomping Mikuru and Asahina.

MadKitsu Why do I need a title again? from Somewhere Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Mu
Why do I need a title again?
#87: Oct 2nd 2010 at 7:26:15 AM

Hi again, everyone. I'm up and alive again, so here I come... (Sorry if I sound annoying, don't hesitate to tell me to stop if it bugs you)

As for the topic at hand, I can easily say that if one considers the power of possibility manipulation (which, unless I'm mistaken is a power that is used by the Sky Canopy Dominion and their interfaces), I think that a version of them in another dimension could be a catalyst for said gestalt being. Either that, or they could of just seen it happen somehow in the Multiverse, decide to give her a little push, namely towards the good Kanae, and the rest pretty much takes care of itself...

Also, as to "Achakura" being a fan nickname for Asakura... I personally have never heard of the full grown Ryoko Asakura being referred to as "Achakura", so that kinda sounds somewhat dubious. Also, the end of said battle with Asakura basically had Nagato doing something to her, making sure that Asakura would have the chance to reform (as Haruhi had asked), as this scene shows...

"Hmm," Haruhi mused, narrowing her eyes and peering intently at Ryouko, who merely watched back curiously. "Um ... some kind of second chance ... a chance to start over, prove herself, and ... let's see, realize she doesn't want to kill Kyon at all. And she gets to give Yuki what she needs to make her equal to the next interface that comes along... But no brainwashing, that's not cool. So, maybe an 'evil' module or something like that, which Yuki can purify and use for good, letting Ryouko learn how to become a nicer person? Yeah! That sounds very good! Let's do that."

The pinned interface blinked several times, then turned her eyes to Kyon from beneath the glowing energy net. "None of this has been reported to my superiors," she commented. "It's entirely possible that this new knowledge could change their perceptions; there's no reason to be hasty!"

"Program loaded," Nagato replied. "Permission to proceed?"

"We can be reasonable!" Ryouko protested.

"You're probably the most reasonable person I've ever had try to kill me," Kyon agreed. "But I remember that time you _did_ stab me all too well."

"No stabbing!" Haruhi said in a chastising tone. "Bad Ryouko! No class rep votes for you!"

"...you don't really think that's her prime concern, do you? Aside from which, did you even vote last time?"

"It isn't," Ryouko agreed. "And no, she didn't. But, about being reasonable...?"

"Anything that I should know about this program, Nagato?" Kyon asked, quirking one eyebrow higher.

"It will be beneficial to all involved," Nagato assured him, while Haruhi nodded knowingly.

"Okay," he sighed, shaking his head. "Granted."

Then smaller girl turned her gaze back to Ryouko's bound form, the faintest hint of a smile coming to her lips. "I will not let you harm him again."

(I did a copy and paste for this, sorry if it makes my post too big...)

In any case, I think that this will cause Asakura to become "Achakura", as a sort of parole for a certain amount of time, so that she can be granted that chance. Makes sense in context, yes?

Oh, and the "How much did you hear?" entry you were talking about just now... You mean this scene, right?

Quite abruptly, before she could react, Haruhi felt a far-too familiar tug on the collar of her shirt, someone hefting her up and pulling her away from the older girl. "Eh?" Her heart stopped, and she thought she felt her entire body's concentration of blood flowing to her face as she twisted around to see who it was. "Y...you," she stammered, frozen in terror. "H...how long...?"

Yuki calmly repeated, "'If he ever tries to start something, those sounds will make Kyon unable to stop,'" in a calm monotone, though there was a glint of something... Was she amused?

"Somehow," Kyon said, shifting his gaze away, "I wasn't really sure that I should interfere..."

I agree that this counts for this trope, along with maybe an example of the "Girl on Girl is Hot" trope(inferred from Kyon's words), mayhaps?grin

I have returned, and my vacation in the void was so boring...
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#88: Oct 2nd 2010 at 7:58:28 AM

Welcome aboard, mate. And no need to be so self-conscious. smile You're in good company here.

About Achakura1... I was actually thinking along similar lines to you. It does fit with her implied panicking.

And on the How Much Did You Hear? entry... Seconded.

1: BTW... I haven't had the privilege of knowing the Achakura incarnation of Ryouko. Can someone summarize the differences between the two for me?

edited 2nd Oct '10 8:00:50 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
thedarkfreak Since: Jan, 2001
#89: Oct 2nd 2010 at 11:09:31 AM

Yes, that's the scene I was talking about. Thanks ^_^

Achakura, in the Haruhi-chan miniseries, is a chibified, almost powerless Ryouko. She insists that her job is to still kill Kyon, and at first treats Yuki with hostility when Yuki takes her home to keep an eye on her, she starts to enjoy the random everyday life. For some reason, she also likes to clean around the house when Yuki can't be bothered to do it. A bit later on, Yuki makes a balloon pet for her, and gives it life. She names it Kimidori and the two go on "wild adventures together"(Never actually leaving Yuki's apartment).

Asakura seemed cheerful enough, but she would always take her mission deadly seriously, and not let anything get in her way. For example, in the 10th Haruhi novel, when Kuyou Suou attacks Kyon, Asakura appears out of nowhere to defend him. But "defending" means holding a knife to his throat, telling Kuyou that his life belongs to the IDSE, not the Sky Canopy Dominion. She may be helping him, but only because the SCD taking his life would be less beneficial to the IDSE.

It's the way she acts in Haruhi-chan that has me rather doubtful that it's going to be the HC Achakura that comes out of this. Mainly for the reason that they want Asakura to be able to defend Kyon, and help Yuki out. She won't really be able to do either if she becomes the HC Achakura. Also, I just can't see a chibified character being introduced in this universe.

I do recommend looking Haruhi-chan up sometime, it's quite entertaining, and very short. Haruhi-chan's on crunchyroll, and you can also find it on You Tube.

EDIT: Whoa, I have to thank dragonKhorse for going through the entire page and changing just chapter numbers to Arc Name/Chapter Number sets. It's probably easier to keep track of for those reading on fanfiction.net, especially since the chapter number on FF.net is one number ahead that it is on Durandall's website. (The prologue is listed as "Chapter 0" on Durandall's website, but FF.net won't let you set a chapter as Chapter 0, apparently.)

EDIT 2: Oh, Filraen, I saw you changed the Wham Line entry to what I said(thanks, btw ^^), but it looks like it got accidentally reverted in that huge edit. I changed it back.

edited 2nd Oct '10 11:25:46 AM by thedarkfreak

Filraen That One Boss from New Donk City Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#90: Oct 2nd 2010 at 11:28:57 AM

This is the first segment of Achakura in Haruhi-chan [1]. Physically, she's a chibified version of Asakura. Mentally, she's more childish than her Asakura incarnation but she retains all her memories and still wants to kill Kyon (AFAIK they never meet again though). Also, Achakura doesn't have any data manipulation powers.

thedarkfreak: Your example was better than mine. While I know I've been pimping the work a lot I don't want to fall into Square Peg Round Trope.

edited 2nd Oct '10 11:39:01 AM by Filraen

Kyon: Big Damn Hero: timeline & trailer
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#91: Oct 2nd 2010 at 12:03:37 PM

^^ Okay, maybe "Achakura" is Durandall's personal Fan Nickname for Asakura overall. I might ask him about that next time I contact him.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
thedarkfreak Since: Jan, 2001
#92: Oct 2nd 2010 at 1:35:05 PM

New chapter's up at Durandall's website.

RainyDaze Eheheh... from UK Since: Jul, 2010
Eheheh...
#93: Oct 2nd 2010 at 1:41:46 PM

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5844698/34/

Link.

Also, checking on the other site, the next arc has a nice name.

'The Calm Before The Storm Arc (IX) Chapter Thirty Four: Whispering Winds'

Sounds nice.

With the latest chapter, I'm thinking that Taniguchi qualifies as a Large Ham.

edited 2nd Oct '10 1:56:43 PM by RainyDaze

Now collecting White-Haired Pretty Girls.
thedarkfreak Since: Jan, 2001
#94: Oct 2nd 2010 at 2:28:44 PM

Hmm, interesting. So, it's confirmed that Yuki wasn't at the beach at the time of the attack. Even weirder, Koizumi's powers changed a while ago, not during the attack. He just hadn't realized it yet.

I did find Nonoko finally being able to protect a secret for Kyon very cute. As well as Kyon obviously thinking 'Oh, Crap!' when one of those idiots shouted out 'Aniki!'

Also, the girls of the brigade using Skynet for dress-up on Kyon is just hilarious. The "Will you join me for tea?" scene was also amazingly cute.

Taniguchi's as hilarious as ever(definitely a Large Ham), but it looks like Kyon's unique situation is starting to make others suspicious.

edited 2nd Oct '10 2:30:20 PM by thedarkfreak

RainyDaze Eheheh... from UK Since: Jul, 2010
Eheheh...
#95: Oct 2nd 2010 at 2:32:51 PM

Did anyone else notice that Nonoko said 'chivalrous organisation' in relation to the men? Translated...

Another interesting note is that Durandall somehow managed to include Gratuitous English in a story written in English.

Now collecting White-Haired Pretty Girls.
thedarkfreak Since: Jan, 2001
#96: Oct 2nd 2010 at 2:36:25 PM

^Both of those made me laugh when I thought about it, though I'd imagine "Chivalrous organization" can have many acceptable translations, and as long as she avoided saying "ninkyo dantai", Kyon would still be good.

I loved how Kyon's mother's reaction to the ND showing up is saying that 'the boy who's engaged to Tsuruya Haruka would NEVER be involved with something so questionable', when it's because of Tsuruya that Kyon even joined, and she's the heir of the organization.

edited 2nd Oct '10 2:39:49 PM by thedarkfreak

RainyDaze Eheheh... from UK Since: Jul, 2010
Eheheh...
#97: Oct 2nd 2010 at 2:39:32 PM

Once everything's been added to the correct page, K:BDH is going to be related to over 200 pages. Steadily climbing towards 1000...

What do you think the chances are everyone in the brigade will end up with a matching outfit? Three out of the seven have one so far, if you count Kyon's holographic one.

edited 2nd Oct '10 2:40:27 PM by RainyDaze

Now collecting White-Haired Pretty Girls.
thedarkfreak Since: Jan, 2001
#98: Oct 2nd 2010 at 2:41:10 PM

Oops, you ninja'd me while editing. Aw, well.

It would be funny to see the SOS brigade go out sometime in matching outfits. Yuki's was amazingly well described, though.

(This is the 6th post beyond a new chapter announcement; no more spoiler tags)

edited 2nd Oct '10 2:41:47 PM by thedarkfreak

RainyDaze Eheheh... from UK Since: Jul, 2010
Eheheh...
#99: Oct 2nd 2010 at 2:44:19 PM

Yuki's description alternately makes me think of bouquets and cakes whenever I stop to think about it.

Interestingly, it's now been mentioned that Lucky Star exists in this universe. Taniguchi amusingly finds Konata's voice creepy.

edited 2nd Oct '10 2:48:55 PM by RainyDaze

Now collecting White-Haired Pretty Girls.
thedarkfreak Since: Jan, 2001
#100: Oct 2nd 2010 at 3:30:46 PM

...

And now that scene is even funnier to me. I laughed when they mentioned Lucky Star; I somehow failed to think of all the Haruhi references that are in the anime.

edited 2nd Oct '10 3:31:24 PM by thedarkfreak


Total posts: 14,776
Top